‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

[MacCruiskeen]

:oops: oops

I missed that the Shiva was a gift from India on first read when I thought it was a homage to Oppenheimer's Trinity statement.

Well, both. At CERN they will certainly not have been unaware of Oppenheimer's famous statement, and that will certainly have been the main reason India didn't offer them a statue of (say) Ganesh instead.

[MacCruiskeen]

I'm trying to imagine what Oppenheimer would say about this soulless, humourless "prank"* carried out with impunity by a witless gang of bored, privileged, entitled young wankers.

I'm trying to imagine what Einstein, Planck, Max Born, Louis de Broglie and the rest of that generation would say.

*If that's what it was, and if that's all it was. I am still not 100% convinced that it was just a prank.

[guruilla]

Forget Shiva for a moment and forget all the costumes. Here's the thing: The video is certainly filmed at CERN (they do not deny this) and it appears to show a young woman being murdered - i.e., being stabbed through the neck with a knife by one of several black-clad figures (ISIS-style, you might say).

If CERN were to respond to such an incident seriously and rationally, what might that response look like? Something like this, I'd say:

+++CERN takes security very seriously. When the video was brought to our attention we inforned the police immediately. Using security camera footage, they investigated the provenance of this video and discovered that it had been created as a prank by a group of students visiting our summer school. The young woman who played the "sacrificial victim" has also been identified; we are glad to report that she is alive and well.

We have made it clear to all those involved that we will not tolerate such an abuse of CERN's hospitality and such a potentially damaging blow to the institute's deservedly high reputation.+++

...

1. They don't know that it was students.

2. They don't know that it was scientists.

3. They don't know that it was just a prank or a spoof.

Therefore: They don't know whether or not that young woman was murdered. Or else they do know that she was murdered, and they're covering it up.

How's that 'investigation' coming along, CERN?

Nicely put. It's hard for me not to see a correlation between this latest . . . whatever ... & the continued effort to keep all "rumors" of ritual sacrifice/abuse by the elite (or by anyone) strictly in the realms of delusion, fantasy, fiction, and now, the latest "nothing to see here" strategy, PRANK!

That some people assume without investigation or analysis, or apparently any thought either, that something of this sort must be a prank, of one sort or another, signals to other people who might investigate, analyze, or just think about it a bit, not to, and that they would only reveal themselves to be squares & dupes if they do.

It's mimesis, also known as crowd control (which is also thought control), and one thing we'll never know for sure is which of the "hipsters" laughing about it being a prank really believe that, as oppose to knowing it or knowing otherwise, and only pretending to believe it to signal to others to follow along. What we do know for sure is that the ha-ha-ritual-sacrifice-that's-so-wacky narrative serves the interests primarily of groups and folk who aren't pranking at all, and never have been; and serves them in multiple ways.

(It also creates a false dichotomy & the corresponding faux polarization: either this is an actual ritual murder OR it's a prank; clearly there is a large area in between being erased by this dichotomy, the "liminal" area in which real autonomous questioning occurs.)

Meanwhile, for those of us not inclined to signal back "no-threat to power" with mimetic smirks & chuckles, the correlations between the scientific goal of the Hadron collider & the spiritual one of ritual sacrifice is probably worth unpacking a bit..?

[MacCruiskeen]

^^Thanks for that, guruilla. I agree with every word of it.

It also ties in closely with at least two recent and very interesting threads: The Crowley 'Joke' & My Allergic Reaction to Occultism (started by WR, quoting a post from your blog) and After School Satan (started by you, and to which you contributed a lot).

[guruilla]

Yeah there's some striking correlations IMO; almost a theme emerging?

[JackRiddler]

So how come this video ends exactly there, leaving the matter unclear? In fact, it's exactly where the video of a hoax would end (or be edited to end, if an editor's responsible) for best effect. If the camera guy is unseen and in another building and not just playing a role, then why doesn't he turn back, keep rolling, get the evidence on this murder that has so shocked him? Didn't this American-accented camera guy call the cops? Where'd the Christian narrator guy get the video? Where was it first sourced online? It was "leaked"? If we will not be told by whom, then where and when? Don't these questions also come up for you?

[guruilla]

The first batch seem fruitless as questions because anything that can be deduced from the video can be countered by the possibility that it was done with that deliberate effect in mind. To ask "if that's really the case then how come X did Y?" can always be countered with "To make you think that."

The second batch, about the video's origins, are more relevant, for sure, and IMO just the kind of questions that are going to get ignored by the blanket assumption that it's a spoof, so who cares where it came from?

[NaturalMystik]

Call it a prank, and maybe that's what the crew thought they were up to. But I'm certain there was a mastermind behind it all, or puppeteer. Someone in the bunch had some specific intentions that had nothing to do with a prank or conspiratainment. Ritual Magick performed in plain site under the guise of 'messing around'. Shiva the destroyer... how about that...

[MacCruiskeen]

The thing that bugs me about this incident is the instant, unanimous, across-the-board media consensus that it was a "mock execution", a "spoof", a "prank", a "joke", not for real, no way, nothing to see here, get real, you can't take this seriously, what are you, a tinfoil-hatter? lol. And yet, in the very same breath, the very same media admit (or at least assert) that there's an investigation going on and that it's still not known who did it!

It's quite astonishing to watch this in action. A tiny passing admission of complete ignorance is wrapped up in a giant duvet of confident reassurance.

Compare and contrast this with the reverence afforded to any officially-approved video of an ISIS execution ("Jihadi John", etc.) Try doubting the authenticity of that in public and you'll immediately be lolled at as a tinfoil hatter.

signal back "no-threat to power" with mimetic smirks & chuckles

Yup. That's it. The cravenness of it.

NB These are the very first reports of the incident to appear in the mass media. There is clearly a concerted effort to deter anyone from even wondering if this was anything more than mere youthful hi-jinks.

It looks very like damage-limitation.

[slimmouse]

i have no personal opinion on any of the above, but what I do know in my own honest opinion, is that anyone around here who doesnt understand that the world is run by complete and utter, maybe possessed idiots are clearly fooling themselves.

[PufPuf93]

I'm trying to imagine what Oppenheimer would say about this soulless, humourless "prank"* carried out with impunity by a witless gang of bored, privileged, entitled young wankers.

I'm trying to imagine what Einstein, Planck, Max Born, Louis de Broglie and the rest of that generation would say.

*If that's what it was, and if that's all it was. I am still not 100% convinced that it was just a prank.

Pranks can swing way out of control sometimes.

In 1983 I was working for the US Forest Service and was involved with two controversial projects; an unpopular timber sale and an industrial scale application of glyphosate to weed conifer plantations. There were a number of demonstrations and the right wing militia anti-government types found common ground with the counterculture environmentalists. Tensions were high.

The silviculture department (I was District Silviculturist) had an ongoing project to sample cone and foliage for specific insects and diseases. Areas were selected and sample points established near the roads. The areas were typically 2000 to 3000 acres with a network of roads. Periodically Spring to Fall we would into each area to sample cones and foliage. Some data was analyzed in place, other samples went back to the lab. We obtained the samples by shooting into the tree crowns. I used a 16 gauge shotgun and buck shot. We had four shooters. One of the selection criteria for the "areas" was on dead end roads without much traffic so we could readily close the road access at one point while sampling. There were traffic cones, signs, and a guard to keep people out while we worked. The areas and dates were published in the local newspaper and posted on community bulletin boards. Lots of bang bang though.

There was a survey crew that worked planned timber sales and associated roads to gather data for road design and do other items like brush the p-line and cross stake cuts and fills. There was such a survey crew in the area but we knew where they were and acted accordingly (didn't shoot in their direction). We moved on as would do 3-4 areas a day.

When I returned to the office that day, there was commotion and the regional TV news had picked up on a US Forest Survey crew being shot at. The survey crew had hunkered down when the shooting started and then scurried back to the office to report the incident. Hours later I returned as did their boss from the field. There had been a failure in communication and we would not have shot at them anyway.

One of the folks on the silviculture crew was married to one of the surveyors and we were all members of a select social set: married college educated young US Forest Service couples without children who smoked pot and liked the Grateful Dead while drinking mushroom cranberry juice that Spooly grew from a kit he bought in a magazine etc. - "a witless gang of bored, privileged, entitled young wankers."

DeAnn hazed her husband Spooly with little mercy after the shooting incident and we all helped. She would sneak behind him and clap her hands and shout. "Bang!" and so on. I may have to write about DeAnn in the prank thread of the Lounge. Major prankster.

The survey crew was easy to find because once one found their truck, one needed only to look for a "Christmas Tree" of assorted plastic ribbons with a secret language and there would be a brushed trail with stakes and more ribbon with the crew at the end.

DeAnn drove by Spooly and the survey crew's work site one day and added another set of plastic ribbon with various nebulous threats some directed at "Spooly". When I came into the office the FBI was there and again the newest threats were already on the regional TV news, I had my suspicions. Soon after DeAnn came in my office highly agitated especially about the FBI. I suggested we drive out to Musser Hill and not come in from the field until everyone had gone home (and never tell anyone except our spouses about the true events of that day). I am not sure what I would have said if asked by authority about the incident. The frequent demonstrations and other public rhetoric by the folks actively protesting the USFS on that Ranger District served as cover too.

Sorry about the digression but I can see a scenario like this being quite likely - "a witless gang of bored, privileged, entitled young wankers."

If this sort of hoax (or fraternal initiation) is the case, CERN management would probably not want to find the perps but let the incident fade away into internet and CERN lore.

If something of more substance - true Satanic ritual -, the ptb would likely suppress the event as well. Curious.

Still seems to me that finding the identity of the person who filmed and the young woman are the most potentially fruitful lines of investigation. Also who and where the clip was first uploaded to the internet.

[guruilla]

It's quite astonishing to watch this in action. A tiny passing admission of complete ignorance is wrapped up in a giant duvet of confident reassurance.

Compare and contrast this with the reverence afforded to any officially-approved video of an ISIS execution ("Jihadi John", etc.) Try doubting the authenticity of that in public and you'll immediately be lolled at as a tinfoil hatter.

It gets to me too, not least because I am susceptible to that invisible pressure too (obviously, that's mimesis). I just tweeted this: Has anyone else noticed how things that ought to be a joke are becoming deadly serious while deadly serious things are becoming a joke?

[PufPuf93]

The thing that bugs me about this incident is the instant, unanimous, across-the-board media consensus that it was a "mock execution", a "spoof", a "prank", a "joke", not for real, no way, nothing to see here, get real, you can't take this seriously, what are you, a tinfoil-hatter? lol. And yet, in the very same breath, the very same media admit (or at least assert) that there's an investigation going on and that it's still not known who did it!

It's quite astonishing to watch this in action. A tiny passing admission of complete ignorance is wrapped up in a giant duvet of confident reassurance.

Compare and contrast this with the reverence afforded to any officially-approved video of an ISIS execution ("Jihadi John", etc.) Try doubting the authenticity of that in public and you'll immediately be lolled at as a tinfoil hatter.

signal back "no-threat to power" with mimetic smirks & chuckles

Yup. That's it. The cravenness of it.

NB These are the very first reports of the incident to appear in the mass media. There is clearly a concerted effort to deter anyone from even wondering if this was anything more than mere youthful hi-jinks.

It looks very like damage-limitation.

I think most if not all of the Bin Laden and various Jihadi tapes that reach wide distribution are fakes.

As I hinted in previous post, whether prank/hoax or something of substance, the authorities have little compulsion to "solve" the mystery to satisfy the public.

Agree with this too Guruilla, "It gets to me too, not least because I am susceptible to that invisible pressure too (obviously, that's mimesis). I just tweeted this: Has anyone else noticed how things that ought to be a joke are becoming deadly serious while deadly serious things are becoming a joke?"

[divideandconquer]

Well, if I wanted to publicly air a real human sacrifice and get away with it I would stage it to look like a hoax. However, if this is, in fact, what happened, they did a real good job of it. Fakest looking human sacrifice I ever saw...because I've seen so many. But, really, it looked fake as Trump's hair.

[MacCruiskeen]

Well, if I wanted to publicly air a real human sacrifice and get away with it I would stage it to look like a hoax. However, if this is, in fact, what happened, they did a real good job of it. Fakest looking human sacrifice I ever saw...because I've seen so many. But, really, it looked fake as Trump's hair.

Why? What makes it look fake to you?

How would you expect it to look if it were genuine? Exactly how would it differ from the video we see here?

(These are sincere questions, btw. I'm curious as to why you feel that way. My own response to the video was different. But I'll reserve any further post on it until tomorrow, because it's 2 am here now. Goodnight.)