Exclusive Stein just called Green Party filing for recount

[JackRiddler]

First at fault are Trump and his supporters.
Second at fault is the media.
Third at fault are non-voters.
Fourth at fault are those who supported neoliberal imperialism in the Democratic primaries.
Fifth at fault are the DNC and Clinton.
Sixth at fault are liberal kapos who ignored / denied / explained away / wished away the rise of the fascist threat and did nothing to stop them or stood in the way of anti-fascists.

Notice who is conspicuously absent.

Si. Maybe I'd flip fourth and fifth, and put third at the end (not voting may be stupid but it's totally understandable that people might feel its pull in the face of this atrocious, undemocratic system and the only two possible winners it offered). So I'd say 1, 2 (corporate media), 5, 4, 6, 3. (Kapo is a counter-productive choice of term, by the way.)

But yeah to the list and double-yeah to your last statement. Democrats are in denial about their whole shit-show galaxy, starting with why the amazingly unpopular unindicted Clinton and Puppydog got the plurality over the mostly hated unindicted Trump-Torquemada ticket in the first place. Certainly not because most people voting for her were choosing the greater good!

ON EDIT: At the zero rank, add the general lack of a common, self-aware democratic culture with strong principles, the Dead Hand of 1787, the corporate state and its money-machine of "elections" and power, and the two-party duopoly that serves up D-THIS, R-THAT or NOTHING ELSE FUCK YOU FUCK THE WORLD as the only choices of outcome.

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[Nordic]

Ridiculous. The Greens threw the election to Trump and now they want to exonerate themselves.
They are looking for a redemptive cospiracy theory for the holidays.
The Greens are dead, drowned in the gravy of their own self righteous blathering.
They want to know how the Grinch stole the election?
They didn't vote for his opponent!!
That is how you hack an election.

It takes a special kind of disconnect from reality to insist that an entire block of voters who hated your candidate more than diarrhea are somehow responsible for your shitty corrupt cheating candidate from winning.

There's no logic. No appreciation of reality. No sanity in that view. At all.

[Joe Hillshoist]

If you blindly support a party that bludges votes off lefties (Dems in US, ALP/Labor in Aus or UK) then a party that actually has the policies that will enact what you claim to stand for is always going to be more evil and more to blame than the tories - the real enemies.

That is why religious schisms are more brutal and violent than disagreements between religions. Same process at play.

[seemslikeadream]

Ask Gore

well wouldn't that be interesting ...now that there are only 8 judges right now?


and then Obama could make a recess appointment right away

[Nordic]

I ever thought that in my life time I would ever experience more contempt for any group of people than I do for Republican voters, but Hillary voters are by far the nastiest, most contemptible and most pretentiously pompously entitled pieces of scum I've ever seen in my 54 years on earth.

Oh wait. It's because they fuckihng ARE Republucan voters. That witch was the worst Republican to come down the pike since Nixon.

Ok I guess this is what whiny miserable spoiled Nixon voters would have sounded like if their beloved crook lost.

And anyone who thinks they can analyze Green voters from within the fog of their own hatred need to know they're have no fucking idea what motivates Green voters. That is abundantly clear. Because the haters don't understand that we voted for something we wanted, not against something we hated. That's why we're pretty free of hate now and the Clinton people are literally drowning in it.

Enjoy your hate as it chokes your soul. You can't escape it.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

$1,063,333.68 and counting!

It's Starting: Green Party Launches Fundraising Drive for Presidential Recounts in WI, PA and MI
Green Party says it needs to raise $5-6 million with filing deadlines days away.

[Nordic]

Funny how Hillary and her people just don't seem to be enthused about this.

You realize, don't you, Hillbots, that this could quite possibly uncover her own theft of votes. From Green Party voters.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Good luck to those with fevered dreams of a reversal of the result.

How does one "recount" the electronic voting machine results? Or is this more a call to verify the machines were not "hacked" and/or the inherent code wasn't 'rigged' to miscalculate in favor of Trump? The paper ballots would then be recounted 2000 recount-style, I'd surmise. This all sounds quite fanciful.

But never mind: CLING fast to the hope. Clamor for a recount.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/e ... ine-231796

Professor cited in report says election results 'probably not' hacked

By Madeline Conway

11/23/16 10:26 AM EST

A computer science professor at the University of Michigan confirmed on Wednesday that he has been spoken with the Clinton campaign about seeking a recount in several key states — but he clarified that he thinks the election results were “probably not” the result of a cyberattack.

New York magazine reported on Tuesday that experts were urging the Clinton camp to contest the election results in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania after finding “persuasive evidence” that they may have been “manipulated or hacked.”

Trump was declared the winner of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin on election night, but Michigan remains too close to call, with Trump's lead now under 10,000 votes. The Michigan secretary of state is expected to certify the results later this month.

The New York magazine story cited a source briefed on a conference call between the experts and Clinton campaign officials to report that they had found that “Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots” in Wisconsin.

Election statistics gurus Nate Silver and Nate Cohn, who run the data analysis sites FiveThirtyEight and The New York Times’ Upshot, respectively, were quick to push back on the report on Twitter. Among other points, Silver wrote that the effect described in the New York magazine story “completely disappears” after controlling for race and education.

“Maybe a more complicated analysis would reveal something, but usually bad news when a finding can't survive a basic sanity check like this,” Silver tweeted.

J. Alex Halderman, the Michigan professor in the report, addressed the fervor on social media in a Medium post on Wednesday morning. He wrote that the story included “some incorrect numbers” and “incorrectly describes the reasons manually checking ballots is an essential security safeguard,” but acknowledged speaking to the Clinton campaign.

Halderman wrote that he does not think it’s likely that the election results, which deviated from pre-election polls in those swing states in particular, were the result of a foreign hack. But he argued that there is enough uncertainty, especially in light of recent hacks on groups such as the Democratic National Committee and evidence that the Russian government had attempted to influence the election, to call for a recount in those states and confirm the results.

“Were this year’s deviations from pre-election polls the results of a cyberattack? Probably not. I believe the most likely explanation is that the polls were systematically wrong, rather than that the election was hacked,” Halderman wrote. “But I don’t believe that either one of these seemingly unlikely explanations is overwhelmingly more likely than the other.”

“The only way to know whether a cyberattack changed the result is to closely examine the available physical evidence — paper ballots and voting equipment in critical states like Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania,” he added.

In his post, Halderman also pointed out what he says are security flaws in American voting machines in general and urged their replacement.

“States still using paperless voting machines should replace them with optical scan systems, and all states should update their audit and recount procedures,” he wrote.

It's still not clear what the Clinton camp's response to the call was. Aides did not respond to questions about it on Wednesday.

Rick Hasen, a professor at the University of California Irvine who specialized in election law, responded to the New York magazine report by describing Halderman as "very credible." Still, he said the fact that the Clinton campaign has not acted on the concerns — the meeting was last Thursday, he noted — "should give you pause."

[Agent Orange Cooper]

I ever thought that in my life time I would ever experience more contempt for any group of people than I do for Republican voters, but Hillary voters are by far the nastiest, most contemptible and most pretentiously pompously entitled pieces of scum I've ever seen in my 54 years on earth.

Oh wait. It's because they fuckihng ARE Republucan voters. That witch was the worst Republican to come down the pike since Nixon.

Ok I guess this is what whiny miserable spoiled Nixon voters would have sounded like if their beloved crook lost.

And anyone who thinks they can analyze Green voters from within the fog of their own hatred need to know they're have no fucking idea what motivates Green voters. That is abundantly clear. Because the haters don't understand that we voted for something we wanted, not against something we hated. That's why we're pretty free of hate now and the Clinton people are literally drowning in it.

Enjoy your hate as it chokes your soul. You can't escape it.

Funny how Hillary and her people just don't seem to be enthused about this.

You realize, don't you, Hillbots, that this could quite possibly uncover her own theft of votes. From Green Party voters.

Hillary won the popular vote, you say? Are you sure about that?

[Joe Hillshoist]

Ask Gore

well wouldn't that be interesting ...now that there are only 8 judges right now?


and then Obama could make a recess appointment right away

From the perspective of some basic US civil rights that would be a good thing yeah?

[brekin]

I ever thought that in my life time I would ever experience more contempt for any group of people than I do for Republican voters, but Hillary voters are by far the nastiest, most contemptible and most pretentiously pompously entitled pieces of scum I've ever seen in my 54 years on earth.
Oh wait. It's because they fuckihng ARE Republucan voters. That witch was the worst Republican to come down the pike since Nixon.
Ok I guess this is what whiny miserable spoiled Nixon voters would have sounded like if their beloved crook lost.
And anyone who thinks they can analyze Green voters from within the fog of their own hatred need to know they're have no fucking idea what motivates Green voters. That is abundantly clear. Because the haters don't understand that we voted for something we wanted, not against something we hated. That's why we're pretty free of hate now and the Clinton people are literally drowning in it.
Enjoy your hate as it chokes your soul. You can't escape it.

Ha whatever. Your candidate won (Trump) but you got to still feel good and special by voting Green at the same time. In California it didn't matter, in other battleground states it did matter, was the matter.Wonder why though you still sound so angry when WWIII has been averted? The anti-establishment candidate has won? The witch has been defeated and may still have to float? The globalist are on the run?

And brother, if you think you are "pretty free of hate" I think you need to reread your post above. A more hate filled screed would be hard to find on here, even lately. You can't escape a prison you don't see.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Funny how Hillary and her people just don't seem to be enthused about this.

You realize, don't you, Hillbots, that this could quite possibly uncover her own theft of votes. From Green Party voters.

Ha.

There is a website in Australia that discusses polling and the comments section is usually a place for ALP supporters and centre left with the odd weirdo from the far left or elsewhere turning up every now and then. Its very much a "party line" place. The conflict with the Greens, who should be natural allies and could make a coalition (the other (the "right") side of Aust politics is a coalition) is funny and yet stupid. Anyway we had one of those "political compass" things that C2W used to not like and critique well on the national broadcaster - the ABC (if you google it use "australian abc" although it gets linked here regularly - definitely a better source of MSM than the us version - ABC,) - website during the recent federal election.

A former (failed) Labor candidate at state gov level often posts there and is a classic example of this anti green attitude. He is reasonably progressive in his outlook. Moreso than the Labor party. But he is a very loyal party person and not shy about saying so or calling Greens and their voters "loons".

So he did the political compass at the ABC website and it placed him clearly as a Green. Which was funny. But he wouldn't change his position and came up with all sorts of justifications not to. Some may have been valid. the political compass might put a policy position as Green even tho the Greens and ALP support it. I dunno.

Him and the others like him are always going on about how the Greens "steal" ALP votes. In Australia, where we have a proportional or optional proportional voting system (depending on jurisdiction,) which is much better because you could have voted Stein 1 and the Hillary 2 just to keep Trump out. Or vice versa.

[OP ED]

The compass puts me significantly to the left of Green. They're just the closest thing I can find. Plus they seem to actually give a shit about people. Democrat is the same as Republican to me. My whole lifetime, lies and wars and crimes and censorship. Most of the policies that truly matter, that are life and death, they're exactly the same in practice. Sometimes the Democrats are even worse, trying to out tough the Republicans on crime and war.

[82_28]

Yep, agree with you, Joe. I just think the US.gov is beyond repair. Like it ever worked "right" anyway, but believe me, many have tried with all of our hearts to stop all the vile shit that happened in our lifetimes directly from some sort of perceived "power" we have to be "free" to refuse. Also OP ED.

I am an anarchist because well, you know. And yeah, I don't put no mask on my face and break shit. Those are the provacateurs. Knew it from the moment I saw them long ago at WTO in Seattle. They were not of "us". I have no proof but I believe they were paid "actors" for what I like to term taking new tactics "for a test drive" -- same as they are doing in NoDak right now. They have moved it out to the countryside. 75 motherfucking agencies responded in unison to this. But that's for another thread that already exists. It just came to mind.

[Joe Hillshoist]

The compass puts me significantly to the left of Green. They're just the closest thing I can find. Plus they seem to actually give a shit about people. Democrat is the same as Republican to me. My whole lifetime, lies and wars and crimes and censorship. Most of the policies that truly matter, that are life and death, they're exactly the same in practice. Sometimes the Democrats are even worse, trying to out tough the Republicans on crime and war.

Yeah same actually. I'm usually about as left and libertarian as those things go. I usually have the Greens in my first couple of preferences, they are changing here tho. Not as radical as they once were and a bit more "politically astute". That can only be a bad thing.

Gore Vidal once described America as having one political party - the property party I think - with two wings. Its not the same here. the ALP, Australian Labor party, was formed by unions over 100 year ago as a political voice for working class people. Its not always "progressive" but its definitely less brutal on the poorer people in Australia. We are a "commonwealth" tho. We don't believe in the shit the US does - like small govvt and an unfettered free market. The wealth of Australia should benefit everyone here (ha... yeah right) so we do have social welfare, "free" publically provided healthcare and education and a variety of other services.

Alot of that was because of the ALP over generations. A bit like some of the (alleged) Democratic civil rights legacy. The unions still have alot of influence over the ALP and while they aren't what they once were - having their own corrupt bloated bureaucracies - they still have some relevance. Not quite as one sided as the US.

But it isn't that great either. Both major parties have overseen massive wealth shifts to the rich in Australia since the 80s.