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Re: General Strike

Postby brekin » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:54 pm

MacCruiskeen » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:38 pm wrote:Strikers make demands. What would this strike be demanding, exactly?


Demand 1. An Election do-over.

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Demand 2. The recognition that everyone in attendance is not responsible for the first election and are noble, innocent and free of blame for any of the effects following.

Demand 3. Not to talk about the "Oops, he won President" ever after.



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There is freedom within, there is freedom without
Try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
There's a battle ahead, many battles are lost
But you'll never see the end of the road
While you're traveling with me

Hey now, hey now
Don't dream it's over
Hey now, hey now
When the world comes in
They come, they come
To build a wall between us
We know they won't win

Now I'm towing my car, there's a hole in the roof
My possessions are causing me suspicion but there's no proof
In the paper today tales of war and of waste
But you turn right over to the T.V. page

Hey now, hey now
Don't dream it's over
Hey now, hey now
When the world comes in
They come, they come
To build a wall between us
We know they won't win

Now I'm walking again to the beat of a drum
And I'm counting the steps to the door of your heart
Only shadows ahead barely clearing the roof
Get to know the feeling of liberation and release

Don't let them win
(Hey now, hey now, hey now, hey now)
Hey now, hey now
Don't let them win
(They come, they come)
Don't let them win
(Hey now, hey now, hey now, hey now)
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Re: General Strike

Postby barracuda » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:10 pm

I could use a fewa them publicly funded elections, if anybody has any o' them tings to spare just sitting 'round.
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Re: General Strike

Postby OP ED » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:25 pm

This stupid board keeps logging me out and erasing my posts.

No general strike will do anything. American people don't even vote. They certainly don't protest in large enough numbers to disrupt anything. At best they might get a five second mention on the news. If the opposition existed in any organized fashion they wouldn't be the opposition.

As Far as Do Overs go, the end result might be the same. There are many of us who would only vote Green again. Not being Trump still isn't good enough.
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Re: General Strike

Postby brekin » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:42 pm

OP ED wrote:As Far as Do Overs go, the end result might be the same. There are many of us who would only vote Green again. Not being Trump still isn't good enough.


Wow, just wow. If you didn't exist OP ED, I'd have to invent you.
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Re: General Strike

Postby barracuda » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:56 pm

OP ED » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:25 pm wrote:They certainly don't protest in large enough numbers to disrupt anything.


I'm surprised to hear anyone considering contemporary society to be so robust. Where I live, a flat tire on a bridge can push the entire area's schedule back two hours and cost millions in lost labor.
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Re: General Strike

Postby brekin » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:14 pm

barracuda » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:56 pm wrote:
OP ED » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:25 pm wrote:They certainly don't protest in large enough numbers to disrupt anything.


I'm surprised to hear anyone considering contemporary society to be so robust. Where I live, a flat tire on a bridge can push the entire area's schedule back two hours and cost millions in lost labor.


Word. Corporations are also increasingly suing activists for loss of profit and expenses when their protests are designed/targeted to block or delay a vessel's transit or a building's business hours, or customer traffic, etc. Which is incredibly easy to do. Most cities barely work with its citizens not trying to shut it down.
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Re: General Strike

Postby freemason9 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:30 pm

I've heard that a Million Machete March on Washington is going to happen late this summer. Spread the word!
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Re: General Strike

Postby justdrew » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:58 am

American Spring: the Sapphire Revolution

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So look, all the republicans need is control on one more state and they can call a constitutional convention and make anything they want into the new law of the christian land.

I would suggest the primary goal needs to be heading that off

Trump is nothing compared to today's republican party with total power.
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Re: General Strike

Postby Freitag » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:58 am

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Re: General Strike

Postby American Dream » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:07 am

A general strike is a great idea but these sorts of proposals are casually floated from time to time, with very little follow through. Also needed is a solid social base, massive amounts of organizing, good praxis, a solid strategy and many other such things.
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Re: General Strike

Postby NeonLX » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:40 am

American Dream » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:07 am wrote:A general strike is a great idea but these sorts of proposals are casually floated from time to time, with very little follow through. Also needed is a solid social base, massive amounts of organizing, good praxis, a solid strategy and many other such things.


Which, given the inertia of the general population, means that things will really have to turn to shit before any actual, large-scale movement comes to be. First thing that would need to happen is for everyone's TVs to go dark. That might spur people to at least wonder, "Hey! Wha hoppen?".
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Re: General Strike

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:16 pm

brekin » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:18 pm wrote:…I get the frustration but "shutting the mother down" actually feeds into Trumps hands.
I live in a blue sapphire city of liberalism and people are becoming more and more fed up/tired/shocked at the constant protests and the behavior of the increasingly intolerant and reactive protestors. I can only imagine in more conservative, already seething at "the disruptive liberals", areas the Nixon era counter measures being implemented.
And just what is increasing "the inconvenience" of daily living supposed to achieve?
Convince those that are already being inconvenienced by Trump (and trust me his immigration orders have personally complicated my life already) that we are still more privileged those in limbo in airports?
We are supposed to appreciate this lesson of our new captors showing us what it is like to be under the power of a tyrant? We don't need to learn the lesson twice, thank you very much!


Do you have any data that supports this? The opposite is definitely true here, and I suspect that it might be true where you live as well and that you are exaggerating or misinforming.

The only place I saw dissent against my city's many protests was on one single local news affiliate as a camera crew walked through stopped traffic and got just two (TWO) soundbites from drivers unhappy with their delay. This was the local news affiliate's bias and I'm sure they had to talk to many more drivers before finding any reactionary opinions.

In stark contrast, the reality is that I have lived in this city for a long time and know people from all walks of life, many of whom are now attending their first protests in their lives. I have dozens of messages since January 20th of old friends, many of whom were thus far inactive and disinterested in politics now coming out and actively resisting or asking how to organize. The faces in the crowd at these protests represent this as well: I see old coworkers, clients, people from my professional association, people who grew up rich and very comfortable, neighbors, former liberals or neoliberals, restauranteurs, etc etc. People you never would have seen anywhere close to Occupy. As a matter of fact, people with whom I argued during Occupy, who I felt should have been involved, are now showing up.

Did you watch the local news, or do you have statistics about the negative effect of Trump resistance in your city?

There is a potential for billions of dollars to be lost in a general strike. That's the point.
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Re: General Strike

Postby Freitag » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:29 pm

Trump is nothing compared to today's republican party with total power.


It's only gonna get worse.

50k ‘Gen Z’ Students Identify as Republican

LOOKING TO 2020 ELECTIONS, NEW SURVEY OF 50,000 ‘generation z’ HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS INDICATES MOST IDENTIFY AS REPUBLICANS AND THAT THE TRUMP EFFECT CAN HAVE IMPACT going forward in contrast to millenials

WASHINGTON, D.C. – My College Options and the Hispanic Heritage Foundation (HHF) today presented the results of a new national survey of approximately 50,000 “Generation Z” high school students’ (ages 14-18) attitudes on the 2016 presidential election which found that the majority identify as Republicans – in sharp contrast to Millennials – and overall would vote for Donald Trump. Trump would win with first-time voters by a large margin, and with girls by a narrower margin. More than one in three participants said they would “choose not to vote.” Clinton would beat Trump among African Americans and Latinos by a large margin, and by a narrower margin with Asians. The Pulse Study on the Presidential Election also serves as a strong glimpse to the 2020 presidential elections when all participants will able to vote. In addition to asking for which candidate students would vote, the study also explores students’ perceptions regarding the issues most important to them, the direction of the country, presidential performance, their level of political engagement, and what media sources they use to learn about political issues.

The findings were broken down by ethnicity, gender, and first time voter status to provide deeper insights. In terms of the top issues, African American and Latino students said education was their top priority followed by the economy, immigration and racism for Latinos and racism, economy and healthcare for African Americans. For Whites, it was the economy followed by education, gun rights and terrorism. White students were least likely to say they would “choose not to vote” with African Americans, Asians and Latinos are most likely to not vote in the election.

See below for highlights of the Presidential Pulse Study and the full study at http://tabsoft.co/2dJC4km.

The presidential polling research, conducted by My College Options, began in late September 2016 and findings are still being up to the moment. The study was constructed using the results of paper survey ballots administered in high schools nationally, resulting in a nationally representative study sample and a marginal error of .6%. “With unparalleled access to our nation’s youth, we at My College Options believe it is our obligation to amplify their voices on issues that are so critical to our future. My College Options serves as a catalyst for lifelong learning and, through this national youth vote, we want to promote students’ passions for civic engagement,” said Ryan Munce, Vice President of My College Options.

“It’s critical to understand what the students’ priorities and preferences are as we found out in the Presidential Pulse Study to better engage this potentially powerful subset of the electorate at an early stage for the 2020 elections,” said Jose Antonio Tijerino, president and CEO of HHF. “Our findings shocked us and clearly state that the Trump effect was not only felt by adults and can have an impact going forward with Generation Z. It’s also an important message that youth can’t be taken for granted as to how they lean politically by either side of the aisle. I’m grateful to our friends at My College Options and the Raben Group for giving youth a voice during these important elections and beyond.”

The top findings indicate:

First Time Voters:

46% Trump / 31% Clinton / 11% 3rd party candidate / 4% write-in candidate / 6% “I would choose not to vote in this election”
Obama job approval: approve (44%), disapprove (30%), no opinion (20%)
Direction of country – positive: yes (11%), no (56%), I don’t know (27%)
23% very engaged in politics / 50% somewhat engaged / 17% not very engaged / 5% not at all engaged
Top issues: economy (44%), education (39%), gun rights (28%), health care (18%)
Top news sources: Cable news (66%), social media sites (47%), online news (47%), teachers (44%)

Overall:

34% Trump / 20% Clinton / 9% 3rd party candidate / 4% write-in candidate / 31% “I would choose not to vote in this election”
Obama job approval: approve (41%), disapprove (25%), no opinion (28%)
Direction of country – positive: yes (7%), no (55%), I don’t know (34%)
12% very engaged in politics / 42% somewhat engaged / 26% not very engaged / 13% not at all engaged
Top issues: education (41%), economy (38%), gun rights (27%), health care (19%)
Top news sources: Cable news (61%), social media sites (46%), parents (45%), online news (41%)


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Re: General Strike

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:53 pm

Dawg they barely surveyed any coastal states where any of the population centers are. That survey is a lie.

Back in the real world: Majority of young people favor socialism over capitalism for the first time in American history.
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Re: General Strike

Postby Freitag » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:27 pm

Luther Blissett » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:53 am wrote:Dawg they barely surveyed any coastal states where any of the population centers are. That survey is a lie.

Back in the real world: Majority of young people favor socialism over capitalism for the first time in American history.


Your link references millennials, while mine is specifically about generation "Z", who will be eligible to vote for the first time in 2020.
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