The Force of Modifying Behavior

[coffin_dodger]

Drivel said:

Well, it was. I thought the "I hope they livestream it" part was snarky enough for people to get that. Apparently not

Trouble is, your generally violent-natured demeanour towards any that share a differing viewpoint to your own - across all threads for many years - would indicate that it was not a 'joke' to anyone remotely acquainted with your posting history. Even when called out about it by Karma, you can't resist, after backtracking, by adding that rather than a lynching, you'd like to see them beaten, at least.

But I guess you're encouraged to post here - and defended by the mods to boot - because you sing from the same hymn sheet - and when push comes to shove, the perception amongst your 'team' is that people with a mindset similar to your own will be needed, to root out all the Nazis, who of course, deserve to die - and lynch them. The calibre of your zeal displayed here at RI should at least guarantee you command of an extermination battalion.

82_28 said:

Were it racial, gender biased, orientation based, I would have flagged it

And this comment posted on your own thread about modifying behaviour - priceless.

[coffin_dodger]

Because those dastardly scientists must be stopped—they use big, strange words in the gibberish titles of their made-up research papers, just to make you feel small.

Ah, this old chestnut.
If I disagree with what a scientist says, or find their claims ridiculous, it means that I'm too stupid to understand what they are saying, which in turn makes me angry because their brilliance makes me feel inadequate.
One day, Elvis, you'll see through the psychological games played within this thought-stopper. But not today.

[82_28]

Hahaha. Bro, what are you saying? Yes, no racism or misogyny etc allowed, bud. It was pointed out to me that when I accepted this thankless duty of being a mod here on your defunct site that you said something akin to "oh look now it's being run by a bartender who is basically a drug dealer" or some shit. I will give you as much shit as you deserve. I know you think you have me in a "gotcha" moment, but you don't. I will not tolerate that and that has nothing to do with this behavior modification that I brought up in this OP. Being precluded of going outside to smoke a cigarette amounts to me being watched. That was my point, which you happened to miss I guess.

[82_28]

Because those dastardly scientists must be stopped—they use big, strange words in the gibberish titles of their made-up research papers, just to make you feel small.

Ah, this old chestnut.
If I disagree with what a scientist says, or find their claims ridiculous, it means that I'm too stupid to understand what they are saying, which in turn makes me angry because their brilliance makes me feel inadequate.
One day, Elvis, you'll see through the psychological games played within this thought-stopper. But not today.

Seriously bro, go wake up your old site. Your existence here through the time you have been posting lo these years is only to rile, troll and flame. You are Internet Trolling 101 material. Just like my neighbors which is basically what the OP was about.

[coffin_dodger]

The reason I keep coming back to this site is that I am eternally optimistic that it may regain some of it's credibility as a place to discuss 'What you don't know can't hurt them'.
Until I'm banned, I shall continue to do so.

[seemslikeadream]

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[DrEvil]

Drivel said:

Well, it was. I thought the "I hope they livestream it" part was snarky enough for people to get that. Apparently not

Trouble is, your generally violent-natured demeanour towards any that share a differing viewpoint to your own - across all threads for many years - would indicate that it was not a 'joke' to anyone remotely acquainted with your posting history. Even when called out about it by Karma, you can't resist, after backtracking, by adding that rather than a lynching, you'd like to see them beaten, at least.

But I guess you're encouraged to post here - and defended by the mods to boot - because you sing from the same hymn sheet - and when push comes to shove, the perception amongst your 'team' is that people with a mindset similar to your own will be needed, to root out all the Nazis, who of course, deserve to die - and lynch them. The calibre of your zeal displayed here at RI should at least guarantee you command of an extermination battalion.

82_28 said:

Were it racial, gender biased, orientation based, I would have flagged it

And this comment posted on your own thread about modifying behaviour - priceless.

I just assume that people here are familiar enough with my posting style that when I say things like that I'm not being entirely serious. It's an expression of frustration aimed at the fuckers doing their damnedest to wreck the world. But you're right, I wouldn't be upset if some of those people were punched in the face, but I wouldn't recommend it either because it's counterproductive and gives them the moral high ground. Idle daydreaming and the real world are, shockingly enough, not the same thing.

Also, I was talking about deniers, not Nazis, but your willingness to take the Nazi's side just to spite me is telling. I have been chased through the streets by Nazis wanting to beat the shit out of me for wearing the wrong t-shirt, so excuse me for not giving them the benefit of doubt. I daydream about punching Nazis, they go into Walmarts and gun down children. Can you tell the difference?

[minime]

Okay, you convinced me: I've had enough.

[Karmamatterz]

From moderator Elvis on August 5, 2019:

The people in the 'climate denial' organizations who are maliciously suing climate scientists just to ruin their lives and stop climate research (because they know where it's going) probably should be dragged through the streets and lynched. Some behaviors should be "modified."

It's there for posterity Elvis. Thuggery and murder are acceptable for you.

82_28 says the post would have been called out had it been about race or gender? Wow, just wow. So impressive.

Dr. Evil, I will grant that you may have been joking. You, however, have been on this board a long time and know better. Use green to highlight. Really, why would you even want those words written?

The hypocrisy on RI is appalling. Mods advocating murder. Other mods saying if it were more politically correct they would care.

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. The apologetics after the fact don't fly.

Regarding climate change and lynching. So we should start prosecuting people in America if they don't believe the latest and greatest computer model? How about if they disagree with you on Peak Oil? Just tar and feather them for that? How about abortion? Perhaps just some light flaying of the skin?

It will never end, you will find a reason to lynch someone for something. Where does that put you on the ethics standard? Right up there with the KKK and Nazis.

Absolutely disgusting.

[RocketMan]

These RI fisticuffs always get you by surprise. You're just minding your own business, clicking threads, and suddenly someone is equating a fellow board member with the KKK and the Nazis. The escalation is so quick and stealthy.

[DrEvil]

From moderator Elvis on August 5, 2019:

The people in the 'climate denial' organizations who are maliciously suing climate scientists just to ruin their lives and stop climate research (because they know where it's going) probably should be dragged through the streets and lynched. Some behaviors should be "modified."

It's there for posterity Elvis. Thuggery and murder are acceptable for you.

82_28 says the post would have been called out had it been about race or gender? Wow, just wow. So impressive.

Dr. Evil, I will grant that you may have been joking. You, however, have been on this board a long time and know better. Use green to highlight. Really, why would you even want those words written?

Fair enough. I should have taken the effort to make it clear I wasn't being serious.

The hypocrisy on RI is appalling. Mods advocating murder. Other mods saying if it were more politically correct they would care.

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. The apologetics after the fact don't fly.

Regarding climate change and lynching. So we should start prosecuting people in America if they don't believe the latest and greatest computer model? How about if they disagree with you on Peak Oil? Just tar and feather them for that? How about abortion? Perhaps just some light flaying of the skin?

The difference being that climate change isn't some hypothetical or controversial issue but a fact. The planet is warming and it is wreaking havoc and there are people getting paid by oil companies to spread lies and misinformation about it and harass climate researchers. You don't need a model to look at a tide gauge or a thermometer or see glaciers disappearing. The reality of the issue is right there in your face for anyone who cares to look. It's real and we need to deal with it or things are going to get a hell of a lot worse, including wars and mass migrations that will make Syria look like a wet fart.

Is it that hard to grasp that people might bear some ill will towards those who are actively trying to make it worse? If a giant meteor was hurtling towards Earth, clear as day in any cheap telescope, how would you react to someone doing everything in their power to ban telescopes and convince people there was nothing to worry about?

It will never end, you will find a reason to lynch someone for something. Where does that put you on the ethics standard? Right up there with the KKK and Nazis.

Yes, because it's not that we feel strongly about specific issues, it's that we are murderous lunatics just looking for any excuse to go on a rampage. Not wanting the planet to get wrecked is a pretty ethical stand if you ask me. Same goes for not wanting people in power who literally want to murder those they don't like. Not hypothetically or theoretically or in a daydream, but literally. That's what fucking Nazis do.

Absolutely disgusting.

Yeah, it's almost enough to make you want to punch someone, isn't it?

[seemslikeadream]

[Karmamatterz]

These RI fisticuffs always get you by surprise. You're just minding your own business, clicking threads, and suddenly someone is equating a fellow board member with the KKK and the Nazis. The escalation is so quick and stealthy.

About as stealthy as the casual belching out a comment about lynching people.

Dr. Evil, where in in the "science" does the broader discussion allow for debate? Science after all should allow for a wide range of debate on things like computer models that are to a degree based on speculation. People that want to engage in intelligent debate shouldn't be called deniers anymore than someone who questions some of the various vaccines forced on us be called an anti-vaxer. Personally, I'm not denying our climate is changing, nor do I deny many vaccines are incredible positive for almost most people. My whole family wishes my mother had gotten the TB vaccine instead of the damn disease. We wish her brother hadn't gotten polio.

Humans are able to impact the climate in good and very bad ways. The Earth also does its own thing. For anyone to claim they have the perfect model that can go unquestioned is absurd. That goes against science itself, which is a rational practice which includes a number of standards that should be followed. What if I want to bring into the conversation how volcanoes impact the climate, is that allowed? Or is the discussion ONLY about how humans impact the climate? Your answer will be telling as to what "science" you believe is rational. Climate modeling and even the damn weather forecast have a long way to go. If you want to try and lynch me for writing that go ahead...give it your best shot bud. I'll PM any of you my home address if you want to travel here and take it outside.

There is another thread that was recently active discussing climate. Before I could get the time to post something the howling and shrill voices screaming deniers drowned out any rational voices. One of the barometers I use to judge various topics is just how vested is the media in the entire climate change/global warming conversation. Any rational person can see the media is batshit crazy about the topic. So much so that there is some really for shit reporting going on. I encourage rational discussion about climate and really any topic. Any further mention of lynchings, punching or any type of assault will not be tolerated. If you think that is acceptable then crawl over to the scum sites of the extreme right where they advocate that type of behavior. As it stands right now RI has already tipped over the edge of extremism and is no better off than some of those extreme nut jobs on the far right.

What would be great for all of us is if people took a big deep breath before they hit submit when they are angry and want to assault someone. We really should be working harder at how to have good discussions rather than puking out thoughts of live streaming lynchings.

[Harvey]

I've only come to the thread to post how freaking perverse it is that these virulant anti-smoking folks NEVER EVER mention the emission from vehicles or the rain of jet fuel particulates or any number of other threatening pollutants...

The best one was when the couple wrinkling their noses at me were actually invested in fracking.

[Sounder]

Really Elvis? How bout James Corbett and Piers Corbyn, should they be stopped from expressing 'wrongthink'?

minime, have patience. (we need you)

Reading the whole article will give better context, but this is a part that addresses current board issues, IMO.

I picked the wrong paragraph on my first try, so have added the correct one here.

.......A man who thinks he can be a despicable, stupid sociopath in cyberspace yet remain a basically decent guy in the "real world" loses sight of the fact that the internet is the real world. It is technology used by people in the real world to communicate with other people in the real world. Who you are while using the internet is simply who you are. However you act on the internet is simply how you act. If you're a dirtbag on Twitter, you're simply a dirtbag. The idea that internet is a morality-free zone where grotesque behavior somehow "doesn't count" not only encourages people to be despicable but numbs them to the impact their behavior has on others. And this is all to say nothing of the fact that the internet gives disturbed and violent people the chance to congregate anonymously and egg each other on......

Warning, order is reversed from that in the original article, sorry if that triggers anyone.

http://www.hideoutnow.com/2019/08/its-n ... oblem.html


It’s Not Guns Or Mental Illness. The Problem Is Deeper Than That.

.......At bottom, the answer is that we have become a country filled with numb, detached, and desensitized people. Mass shootings are the ultimate manifestation of that detachment. Our reaction to them — rhetorically slinging dead bodies at each other to score points in a political argument — is a slightly less severe but very much related manifestation. A survivor of the El Paso shooting reports that the shooter casually smirked before unloading on a crowd of innocent people. This echoes many other reports from many similar shootings. The killer is always smirking like he's slightly amused, or else he's blank-faced and emotionless. Rarely do you get a picture of someone running around enraged and screaming. We call these acts of "hate," but they are much more acts of brutal, murderous indifference. These are empty, numb, detached people slaughtering their fellow humans because they are bored and frustrated with their meaningless lives.......