Obama's first evil act as president

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Postby vigilant » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:09 am

professorpan wrote:The purpose of this thread is to point out the absurdity of the caricature of Obama as a demonic snake who can do nothing but evil. It's a caricature as patently ridiculous as the Obama-as-messiah caricature.

It doesn't mean I endorse everything he has done, or the system within which he works, nor does it mean I am not critical of his missteps and capitulations. But it has been wildly amusing to see the haters twist themselves into knots to avoid admitting that he has done anything of worth.

And I find chlamor's unwillingness to discuss what he is for to be very telling.



Pan I have told you many times that I admire your ability to find a silver lining in this cloud. I admire any human being that can maintain a good attitude in the face of seemingly unsurmountable circumstances. It is that drive that enables people to conquer the mountain, instead of simply lay down at its feet in submission, and become part of the pyroclastic flow as the hot lava rolls over their head, and entombs them for life.

In spite of who his handlers are, and who he is affiliated with (see previous post about pyramid hand shape, hole in center, etc) I do believe that somewhere inside the man, there might be some genuine human feelings. Actually, I'm quite certain of it.

It is the scope of those feelings I question and not his ability to have them. We all know that politcal rhetoric, reverse meanings, and a sincere desire to obfuscate the obvious is the reality of political life and not the exception. Revealing a next move honestly to the public is not something I consider a norm.

Political secrecy, in my opinion, usually involves creating the illusion of opposites. "see me do this very loudly and clearly, as I really do the opposite in disguise"

In order for this man to become President, in my opinion, one of three things had to happen.

1. He is genuinely against the current paradigm, fought bravely, at the risk of his own life against the incredibly entrenched and powerful system currently in place and won. They will have to suffer greatly now. Power with money refuses to suffer, it takes action. At any moment he could be killed. His chances of survival are marginal at best.

2. He pretended to be part of the established system. Somehow against all odds, all surveillance, all the billions of intelligence infrastructure, he fooled them. He is playing opossum. Now that he is in power he will show the established power structure who is boss and make some real changes. They will have to suffer greatly now. Power with money refuses to suffer, it takes action. At any moment he could be killed. His chances of survival are marginal at best.


3. He is indeed part of the established power system. He is pretending not to be, but in fact he is faking. He was vetted, checked out, interviewed, watched, coached, trained, schooled, hired, bought, and paid for. He is part of the "brotherhood" and there is undeniable evidence for that. He is comfortable. The established powers will not suffer. Unless he decides to piss off Henry Kissinger or Zbig or someone else he works for like Bill Clinton did, (he got blue dressed) he will be just fine and live a long, happy, and successful life. If he is only a marginally bad boy he might be as lucky as Clinton was. Along the way, due to the fact that he "may" be more compassionate than some previous Presidents, if it does not interfere with his bosses plans, he "may" be allowed to engage in some gestures that mean real change. Those gestures will also mean a "monetary loss" for his bosses because anything that helps the common man is a pocket drain for real leaders and controllers. Considering that "all must be paid for" when the people get anything for themselves, which means something must be given up in return, anything he gets done will most likely be taken right back out the back door as sleight of hand and be meaningless. Its called a "window washing with dressing"...


Now honestly, which of these do you think is most likely? And if you think I have rigged the landscape, and that I have posed a false dichotomy please say so. Are there any other alternatives?
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Postby compared2what? » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:28 am

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Chlamor, were you addressing me? Because I don't take your point, if so.

And even if not, if you have anything to say about in what way it would be productive to address the legal loophole whereby torture is now the universal standard for interrogating enemy combatants in an agitate-educate-organize kind of a way, that would be very welcome, and I'd be pathetically grateful. It's kind of important to me.
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Postby American Dream » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:07 pm

http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/5818

Bush, Obama, and the 'Freedom Agenda'
Anthony Fenton | January 27, 2009


The Obama administration inherits a foreign policy establishment that has undergone a radical transformation over the last eight years. Two linked developments, the Bush administration's "freedom agenda" and the resurgence of counterinsurgency doctrine, will cast a long shadow over the Obama White House, State Department, and Pentagon.

An emerging counterinsurgency culture, reflected in such interagency-oriented manuals as the recently released U.S. Government Counterinsurgency Guide, is permeating all government agencies that have a foreign policy orientation. President Obama already sent a clear signal about his attitude toward this counter-insurgency culture by asking Defense Secretary Gates and, more recently, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Low Intensity Conflict, Michael Vickers, to stay on at the Pentagon. Likewise, the Obama-Biden counterterrorism factsheet explicitly links the need to "prepare the military to meet 21st century threats" to the perceived need to create "a broader set of capabilities, as outlined in the...new counterinsurgency manual."

In a speech delivered last October to the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, Vickers indicated that there was little reason to anticipate a slowing in the rapid resurgence of covert, special warfare methods under the incoming administration. He disclosed that the number of U.S. Special Forces, referred to as a "decisive strategic instrument," will increase from the current level of 15,000 to 64,000 by "early in the next decade." These soldiers operate in 60 countries around the world.

The Bush administration brought the United States firmly into the counterinsurgency (COIN) era. The question is not whether Obama will carry on this commitment to counterinsurgency. The question is how Obama will go about adapting the Bush approach.

Democracy Promotion

Although only formally institutionalized under George W. Bush, democracy promotion has had broad bipartisan support as a distinct foreign policy objective since the creation of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and a number of counterpart organizations in the early 1980s under President Reagan. Significantly, one of the key initial strategic functions of democracy promoters was to carry out overtly some of the foreign policy objectives that were once the domain of covert agencies such as the CIA.

The interaction of the overt and the covert under Obama will largely be determined by an increasing theoretical convergence between counterinsurgency and democracy promotion. One key example of this was the extensive edited collection from the Council for Emerging National Security Affairs (CENSA), Countering Insurgency and Promoting Democracy, released in 2007. On the back cover, COIN guru and CENSA member John A. Nagl, a contributor to the U.S. Army's counterinsurgency doctrine, FM 3-24, and also a member of the Center for a New American Security (CNAS), a key source of Obama's cabinet-in-waiting, calls counterinsurgency and democracy promotion "the most important policy topic of our time."

The Bush administration more than doubled the democracy promotion budget — from $650 million in 2001 to a requested $1.72 billion in 2009 — largely owing to the counterinsurgency wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. There was also a formal institutionalization of the "freedom agenda" as a key pillar of U.S. foreign policy. This institutionalization came about with the signing into law of the ADVANCE Democracy Act and Bush's National Presidential Security Directive (NSPD) 58 entitled "Institutionalizing the Freedom Agenda."

ADVANCE Democracy Act

First introduced in 2005, the ADVANCE Democracy Act (ADA) was later revised, passed in both houses with bipartisan support and, albeit with little attention, signed into law on August 3, 2007. Its supporters have trumpeted the legislation as "a fundamental component of American foreign policy."

The initial ADA bill of 2005 was loosely based on a 2003 book by former ambassador, presidential speechwriter, and long-time democracy promoter Mark Palmer, Breaking the Real Axis of Evil: How to Oust the World's Last Dictators by 2025. Palmer and some colleagues from the Hudson Institute wrote the original bill itself. Palmer was also instrumental in the creation of the NED and wrote President Reagan's 1982 speech to the British parliament, "Promoting Peace and Democracy," during which the president pledged to create new institutions that would help lead a "global campaign for democracy."

New directives in the ADA called for "an enhanced role for United States diplomats" in promoting democracy, reinvigorated support for the Community of Democracies (first created under President Clinton), broader cooperation with other democracy-promoting countries, and financial support for the United Nations Democracy Fund, first proposed by Bush in 2004.

Additionally, U.S. ambassadors are tasked with developing annual democracy promotion strategies, and the secretary of State is mandated to create and assign democracy liaison officers to various U.S. missions abroad, including to U.S. "combatant commands."

When introduced in 2005, the original ADA was dubbed by Moroccan journalist Mustapha Khalfi as the "most important bill to come out of Congress on democracy promotion since the 1983 initiative to establish the National Endowment for Democracy." But the mainstream media all but ignored the ADA after it was signed into law in 2007. One prominent commentator on democracy promotion, James Traub, erroneously wrote that the ADA "never became law" in his 2008 book, The Freedom Agenda. Likewise, when assessing the presidential candidates' position on democracy promotion in April 2008, the Council on Foreign Relations stated that "the bill never passed." The ADA's obscurity likely resulted from its burial within H.R. 1, the "Implementing Recommendations of the 9/11 Commission Act of 2007." The original bill, according to the congressional website, is listed as never having become law.

The ADA encountered some resistance from the State Department. According to Mark Palmer, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice felt that the ADA was "too invasive of her turf." After tough negotiations, the State Department "finally...reconciled themselves" to the ADA, and eventually it became law. The State Department also "cherry-picked" certain aspects of the bill and implemented them in the meantime.

One such cherry-pick was Rice's creation of the Advisory Committee on Democracy Promotion (ACDP), of which Palmer and a number of other democracy promotion luminaries were members. In the last meeting of the ACDP on October 8, 2008, Rice said she was "very proud of the ADVANCE Democracy Act."

NPSD 58

According to a partial declassification on October 9, 2008, President Bush signed NSPD 58: Institutionalizing the Freedom Agenda, on July 17, 2008. This national presidential security directive "codifies the policies and practices for promoting freedom put in place by this Administration." NSPD 58 is intended "to serve as a blueprint for future Administrations to promote democracy and freedom systematically."

By making democracy promotion, in the words of Secretary Rice, a "national security imperative," the "ultimate goal" of NSPD 58 is an ambitious one: "ending tyranny in the world."

As with many presidential directives, the full text of NSPD 58 has not been disclosed. Responding to a FOIA request by FPIF, the White House's Office of Administration, Executive Office of the President elected not to release it, stating that the NSPD is "not subject to the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act."

Obama and Democracy Promotion

The Obama-Biden policy platform is clearly committed to democracy promotion. Implicitly linking democracy promotion to counterinsurgency efforts, one platform statement called for the increased integration of "civilian and military capacities to promote global development and democracy." It also calls for the creation of the position of "Deputy National Security Advisor empowered to develop integrated strategies to build capable, democratic states and ensure policy coherence in the application of development and democracy programs as key elements of U.S. power."

Obama also stated he will "significantly increase funding for the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and other nongovernmental organizations." In a similar vein, in its "legacy booklet," the outgoing Bush administration has touted its increase of NED funding by 150% since 2001.

Although Obama didn't cast a vote when the Senate passed the ADA in 2007, he likely supported it. According to Palmer, Obama's former advisor, Samantha Power, "wanted Obama to be one of the co-sponsors of the [ADA] and they had agreed basically to co-sponsor it." In the end, Obama did not sponsor it, but Palmer expressed that this didn't have "anything to do with the substance of the Act."

Reached by telephone and citing the close proximity of the inauguration, a spokesperson from President Obama's transition team declined to comment on the likely implications of the ADA and NSPD 58 on his incoming administration. Likewise, key members of Obama's democracy transition team democracy sub-group, Gayle Smith, Michael McFaul, and Jeremy Weinstein, did not respond to interview requests via email.

Many democracy commentators have lamented that Bush's repeated conflation of democracy promotion with the Iraq War has given the long-time foreign policy priority a bad name. As Thomas Carothers of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace wrote, "under George W. Bush, democracy promotion has been widely discredited through its close association with the Iraq War." Accordingly, Obama has pledged to rebrand democracy promotion so that it "cannot become a casualty of the Iraq War." Seeking "durable bipartisan support" for his democracy policies while avoiding "mere rhetoric," Obama's team has said they will foster "concrete outcomes that will advance democracy."

What exactly the Obama administration means by "concrete outcomes" remains unclear. The U.S. democracy promotion apparatus has historically been criticized for double standards and nefarious meddling in the internal affairs of unfriendly regimes. As Barbara Conroy has written, NED and its affiliates "often work against American interests and meddle needlessly in the affairs of other countries, undermining the democratic movements [they were] designed to assist." Sometimes the United States has supported genuine democrats while also supporting authoritarian allies, and sometimes the U.S. has undermined popularly elected democracies while seeking to install or prop up less democratic regimes that are friendlier to U.S. interests.

One thing is clear: The Bush administration's institutionalization of the "freedom agenda" as a core pillar of U.S. foreign policy, combined with Obama's apparent commitment to democracy promotion and the new counterinsurgency paradigm suggests that, despite appearances that may emerge to the contrary, we are likely to see more continuity than change in U.S. foreign policy.

Anthony Fenton is an independent researcher and journalist based near Vancouver, B.C., Canada. He is currently completing a book on Canada-U.S. foreign policy integration and transformation, and can be reached at: fentona (at) shaw (dot) ca.
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Postby cptmarginal » Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:38 pm

Washington Times:

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/28/obama-order-allows-short-term-cia-sites/]Loophole allows terrorist detentions

President Obama's executive order closing CIA "black sites" contains a little-noticed exception that allows the spy agency to continue to operate temporary detention facilities abroad. [/url]
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Postby chlamor » Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:53 pm

Excellent observation here:

The Tragedy of "Model Minorities"
written by da don , January 28, 2009

This is what happens when black children grow up trying to "beat white people at their own game". They end up playing the role of the deceiver, playing the "grand chessboard" to make themselves feel powerful, or respected, or good about themselves. They break their backs to look good in white eyes. The tragedy is that he is playing an old role that I need not mention to those who understand. This is not change, this is public relations. People don't realize that whomever becomes president, whether or not they have good intentions going in, will be forced to play a role that requires guile, warmongering, betrayal, and corruption. The office requires a president to put the "best interests of the nation" and the "best interests of his financiers" before the people of his own nation, or those of any other one.

Aside from those who have been around people who have the kind of money or education to understand how the government works, few others have the time or energy to pursue an understanding of the mechanics of our "democracy". Where Big Brother once was, now we have Big Brotha. He makes it look so easy, doesn't he?


And don't miss this article:

Freedom Rider: Black America Surrenders


http://www.blackagendareport.com/index. ... 4&Itemid=1

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Postby cptmarginal » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:38 pm

cptmarginal wrote:Washington Times:

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/28/obama-order-allows-short-term-cia-sites/]Loophole allows terrorist detentions

President Obama's executive order closing CIA "black sites" contains a little-noticed exception that allows the spy agency to continue to operate temporary detention facilities abroad. [/url]


Is it just me or is this thread unintentionally funny?
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Postby timetunneler » Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:08 am

I'm starting to come around... the Canadian Obama Haters Club was right. We should have elected Cynthia McKinney as president just as like they were nagging us all up through the election. Obama has been president 8 days and accomplished nothing... Shit, McKinney would have turned the USA inside out overnight... all 300 million of us would have loved her.. gotten behind her 100%. She would have gotten so much done. Cleaned out the Pentagaon, NSA and CIA in one fell swoop. Congress and the House would have rubberstamped everything she asked. How goddamn foolish of us dumb Americans to turn our back on our last best hope of getting some shit done in this country. I've seen the light now. Thanks for opening my eyes. Really. I appreciate it. Thank you.
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Postby chiggerbit » Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:18 am

I'm starting to come around... the Canadian Obama Haters Club was right. We should have elected Cynthia McKinney as president just as like they were nagging us all up through the election. Obama has been president 8 days and accomplished nothing... Shit, McKinney would have turned the USA inside out overnight... all 300 million of us would have loved her.. gotten behind her 100%. She would have gotten so much done. Cleaned out the Pentagaon, NSA and CIA in one fell swoop. Congress and the House would have rubberstamped everything she asked. How goddamn foolish of us dumb Americans to turn our back on our last best hope of getting some shit done in this country. I've seen the light now. Thanks for opening my eyes. Really. I appreciate it. Thank you.


Heh, love it, tt!
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Postby chiggerbit » Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:18 am

Still giggling.
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Postby compared2what? » Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:31 am

HELLO? CAN ANYONE OUT THERE HEAR ME?

OR DOES NO ONE HAVE EVEN A HALF-HEARTED COMMENT TO MAKE ON TORTURE TECHNIQUES NOW BEING OFFICIALLY THE COUNTRY'S NEW UNIVERSAL LEGAL STANDARD FOR INTERROGATING DETAINEES?

I DO UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT A FACTOR THAT HAS A WHOLE LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR ONE-UPSMANSHIP, SNEERING, BEING THE BOSS OF SOMEONE ELSE, AND SELF-CONGRATULATION WRT POSTING.

BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME THAT MY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES KNOW THAT I ABSOLUTELY REGARD THEIR SNEAKING THAT ONE BY ME AS UNACCEPTABLE. IT'S A BRIGHT LINE KIND OF A THING, IMO.

SORRY TO SHOUT SO MUCH. BUT PEOPLE OF GOOD CONSCIENCE WITH A PRIOR STATED INTEREST IN SPEAKING OUT MIGHT WANT TO DO THAT NOW. BECAUSE SPEAKING OUT IS THE ONLY ROUTE TO CHANGE ON SUCH A POINT. UNLESS YOU THINK TORTURE IS ACCEPTABLE AS LONG AS THEY TUCK IT AWAY SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.

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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:56 am

I hear you:

compared2what? wrote:HELLO? CAN ANYONE OUT THERE HEAR ME?

OR DOES NO ONE HAVE EVEN A HALF-HEARTED COMMENT TO MAKE ON TORTURE TECHNIQUES NOW BEING OFFICIALLY THE COUNTRY'S NEW UNIVERSAL LEGAL STANDARD FOR INTERROGATING DETAINEES?

I DO UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT A FACTOR THAT HAS A WHOLE LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR ONE-UPSMANSHIP, SNEERING, BEING THE BOSS OF SOMEONE ELSE, AND SELF-CONGRATULATION WRT POSTING.

BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME THAT MY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES KNOW THAT I ABSOLUTELY REGARD THEIR SNEAKING THAT ONE BY ME AS UNACCEPTABLE. IT'S A BRIGHT LINE KIND OF A THING, IMO.

SORRY TO SHOUT SO MUCH. BUT PEOPLE OF GOOD CONSCIENCE WITH A PRIOR STATED INTEREST IN SPEAKING OUT MIGHT WANT TO DO THAT NOW. BECAUSE SPEAKING OUT IS THE ONLY ROUTE TO CHANGE ON SUCH A POINT. UNLESS YOU THINK TORTURE IS ACCEPTABLE AS LONG AS THEY TUCK IT AWAY SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.

Thanks,

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Postby RocketMan » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:59 am

I suppose I'm somewhat dense but what in holy hell does this (among many other similar items)

The Obama-Biden policy platform is clearly committed to democracy promotion. Implicitly linking democracy promotion to counterinsurgency efforts, one platform statement called for the increased integration of "civilian and military capacities to promote global development and democracy." It also calls for the creation of the position of "Deputy National Security Advisor empowered to develop integrated strategies to build capable, democratic states and ensure policy coherence in the application of development and democracy programs as key elements of U.S. power."

Obama also stated he will "significantly increase funding for the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and other nongovernmental organizations." In a similar vein, in its "legacy booklet," the outgoing Bush administration has touted its increase of NED funding by 150% since 2001.

Although Obama didn't cast a vote when the Senate passed the ADA in 2007, he likely supported it. According to Palmer, Obama's former advisor, Samantha Power, "wanted Obama to be one of the co-sponsors of the [ADA] and they had agreed basically to co-sponsor it." In the end, Obama did not sponsor it, but Palmer expressed that this didn't have "anything to do with the substance of the Act."

Reached by telephone and citing the close proximity of the inauguration, a spokesperson from President Obama's transition team declined to comment on the likely implications of the ADA and NSPD 58 on his incoming administration. Likewise, key members of Obama's democracy transition team democracy sub-group, Gayle Smith, Michael McFaul, and Jeremy Weinstein, did not respond to interview requests via email.


have to do with this

I'm starting to come around... the Canadian Obama Haters Club was right. We should have elected Cynthia McKinney as president just as like they were nagging us all up through the election. Obama has been president 8 days and accomplished nothing... Shit, McKinney would have turned the USA inside out overnight... all 300 million of us would have loved her.. gotten behind her 100%. She would have gotten so much done. Cleaned out the Pentagaon, NSA and CIA in one fell swoop. Congress and the House would have rubberstamped everything she asked. How goddamn foolish of us dumb Americans to turn our back on our last best hope of getting some shit done in this country. I've seen the light now. Thanks for opening my eyes. Really. I appreciate it. Thank you.


?

Obama criticism = uncritical support for Cynthia McKinney? Supporting Cynthia McKinney = insanity? What?
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Postby Col. Quisp » Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:09 pm

Yeah, this place is getting to be like the Daily Kos -- where no criticism of a Dem is allowed. And it's great that Pan treats this thread as a joke when people like C2W correctly point out Obama's tortuous reading of the Army Field Manual means Americans don't torture anymore.

NO ONE HERE IS AN OBAMA HATER. Politics ain't black and white.
We need to move beyond the Bush mantra of you're either with me or against me.

And what's so bad about McKinney? She actually tried to go to Gaza to try to help people.
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Postby barracuda » Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:24 pm

The line to piss on Cynthia McKinney just got one person longer is all that happened, Colonel.
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