Telephones Cut Off, Mousavi Arrested, Rafsanjani Resigns

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Postby chiggerbit » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:46 am

Plus the whole name of it, and "tweets" for describing something that anyone would try to communicate. A "tweet"? That's almost as bad as a "diary" over at Dailykos. Okay, it's worse.


twitter would be nowhere today if not for 6 months of relentless mainstream media puffery.


Sorry for the vulgarity and being OT, but I've never understood how any serious journalist can announce they have something up on a place with a pussy name like twitter. It's so fucking cutesy and fluttery and foo-foo. Oh, I'm all a-twitter. A place with a name like that is for the likes of the Olson twins, not serious journalists--well, unless they're prostitutes or something. Hmmm, I take it back, maybe it is exactly the right place for most of this country's journalists. Nevermind.


twit·ter (twtr)
v. twit·tered, twit·ter·ing, twit·ters
v.intr.
1. To utter a succession of light chirping or tremulous sounds; chirrup.

2.
a. To speak rapidly and in a tremulous manner: twittering over office gossip.

b. To giggle nervously; titter.

3. To tremble with nervous agitation or excitement.
v.tr.
[chig's favorite]


To utter or say with a twitter: twittered a greeting.
n.
1.
a. The light chirping sound made by certain birds.
b. A similar sound, especially light, tremulous speech or laughter.
2. Agitation or excitement; flutter.

edit: I guess it's the Olsen twins.
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Postby Jeff » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:51 am

JackRiddler wrote:with a very short length limit.


This is what's made me wary of it.

I hate to be The 1984-Quoting Guy, but Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?
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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:53 am

orz wrote:* believes exact opposite of whatever is reported by the 'mainstream media' in all cases even if totally contradictory *


Yes. There is an extreme where the obvious fact that everything on the corporate mass media is orchestrated on behalf of an approved message causes one to doubt there's any reality beneath the reports, even when there is.

I think
a) Ahmedinejad won the election and while there was doubtless fraud (of the ballot stuffing variety) the bigger fraud is an engineered perception that all claims of a fix are automatically true because Ahmedinejad and Co. are evil nuke-hoarding Holocaust-denying dictators, etc..
b) Mousavi is an opportunist with a worse record of atrocity than Ahmedinejad (given the 1980s!) but along with Rafsanjani a genuinely Iranian product (i.e., CIA is not creating them, let alone the movement supporting him).
c) Beneath the media spin and lies attempting to engineer a color revolution out of this situation, there is a big and righteous movement for rights and change that probably isn't a majority but goes well beyond the "North Tehran elites," and the lies and spin obviously are not serving this movement well.
d) Forces within US, West and Israel power centers want to exploit this situation without regard for the interests of anyone in Iran, with aims to effect a regime change, destabilize and weaken the country, cause it to be further demonized, or justify sanctions and ultimately some from of attack.
e) Circles within circles, intrigues without end, and the fox outfoxing itself, no doubt.

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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:00 am

Jeff wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:with a very short length limit.


This is what's made me wary of it.

I hate to be The 1984-Quoting Guy, but Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?


Until now they brought on real people to play strawmen representing a given view, so they could cut them off after 11 seconds. The real Twitter revolution from the perspective of CNN and Co. is that they are further freed of any need to report anything themselves, or to source anything they broadcast. They can now say "social media say" as though this is in any way different from "it's rumored that" or "some people say..."

I really feel sorry for the young people in Tehran, who are having this template-based psychological operation superimposed on their protests (and who for the most part see no other option than to enthusiastically accept this as "international support," thus adapting to corporate-media/spookville conditioning of their message).

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Postby chiggerbit » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:02 am

c) Beneath the media spin and lies attempting to engineer a color revolution out of this situation, there is a big and righteous movement for rights and change that probably isn't a majority but goes well beyond the "North Tehran elites," and the lies and spin obviously are not serving this movement well.


The ironic thing is that I believe that the Iranians had already reached this point prior to Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech, a speech which drove the Iranians, understandably, to the other side of the political spectrum in the next election.
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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:03 am

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By the way, isn't the title of this thread itself evidence of successful disinformation?

Rafsanjani resigned but nine days later Mousavi has yet to be arrested. I don't know if the telephones were cut off or if service of all kinds slowed due to the surge in use, but until now it seems that communications among the protesters never stopped.

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Postby sunny » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:14 am

I agree, Jack.

Can we prevail upon the op to change the title?
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Postby orz » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:56 am

A news story's importance and coverage is directly proportional to how many brand names can be crammed into the article. Bonus journalism points if you write for a tabloid and thus get to literally incorporate the brand/product logo into the headline!
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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:12 pm

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First time I've heard of Lila Ghobady...

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/19-11

Published on Saturday, June 20, 2009 by CommonDreams.org

No Matter Who Is President of Iran, They Would Stone Me

by Lila Ghobady

Why didn't I vote in the latest elections for the president of the country of my birth, Iran? Because no matter who is the president of Iran, they would stone me!

As a young Iranian woman, I require big changes in order to convince myself that a change in president would mean an improvement of my basic rights as human being inside Iran.

Here are some simple facts that demonstrate that irrespective of who is president, I would be stoned to death in Iran:

1. As a woman whose husband refused to divorce her when she escaped the country and came to Canada as a refugee, I am considered this man's wife as long as I am alive. It does not matter if I live separated from him for years, have divorced him in my new country and am in a relationship with a new man. Under Iranian laws and the Iranian constitution, which are based on strict Islamic laws, I am considered his wife and am at risk of being stoned for "adultery" if I ever go back to Iran. In fact as a woman, I have no right to divorce my husband under the country's law while he has the privilege of marrying three more times without divorcing me. This is the case no matter who is the president of Iran; Ahamdinejad or Mousavi.

2. As a journalist and filmmaker, I am called upon by the Islamic Republic of Iran to respect the red lines. These "red lines" include belief and respect for the Supreme Leader and the savagely unjust rules of Islamic law in my country. I am expected not to write or demand equal rights, as this is not permitted under the law. I am not allowed to make the underground films I have made about the plight of sex trade workers and other social diseases rampant within Iran, as I did secretly 12 years ago. In fact I am not allowed to make any film without the permission and without censorship by Iran's Minister of Culture. Imagine - Iran has a Minister of Culture, who decides what is culturally acceptable, or not! If I did openly do all these things in Iran, I would disappear, I would be tortured, I would be raped, I would be killed as so many women journalist, filmmakers and activists in Iran have been. Among these are included Zahara Kazemi, the Iranian-Canadian photo journalist, who was brutally tortured and murdered for attempting to photograph and publicize brutalities committed by the Iranian regime.

3. I would be considered an infidel if I was born into a Muslim family and later converted to another religion or simply decided to consider myself a non-believer who does not follow strict Islamic morality. My branding as an infidel would result in my public murder, probably by stoning. No matter who is the president of Iran.

4. I would be lashed in public, raped in jail and stoned to death for selling my body in order to bring food to my family, as so many unfortunate Iranian women have been forced to do, as a single mother with no social assistance in a rich but deeply corrupted country like Iran. Even the simple crime of being in love, engaged in a relationship outside of marriage, or worse yet, giving birth to a human being out of Islamic wedlock. The product of such a union would be considered a bastard and would be taken away from me, and I would receive 100 lashes immediately after giving birth to my baby, No matter who is the president of Iran.

5. No matter who is the president of Iran, I would be denied a university education, a government job and a say in politics and it would be as if I basically did not exist if I was a Baha'i. I would be considered half a Shia Muslim, in all levels of society if I was Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian or even a Sunni Muslim, no matter who is the president of Iran.

6. No matter who is the president of Iran, I would disappear and be found dead (if I was lucky) if I were to keep writing and demanding my basic rights as a woman and intellectual who has no say in politics. (There was not even one female minister in the so-called "reformist cabinet" of Mohamad Khatami) If I argue and challenge the authorities that despite the fact that Iran is one of the richest countries in the planet when it comes to resources, still 70% of my people live in poverty because of corruption among the leaders. Huge numbers of children go to sleep on empty stomachs. Little girls are forced to sell their bodies in the streets of Tehran, Dubai and even China, just to survive. I would be jailed or disappeared no matter who is president of Iran.

7. No matter who is the president of Iran, I would not be able to be a judge or even a witness in court, as a woman. This is because in front of an Islamic Court judge two women equal one man. No matter how educated and aware I might be, I would be considered half of a man who might be at a demonstrably much lower level of education and reliability, No matter who is the president of Iran.

8. No matter who is the president of Iran, I would be lashed in public if I did not cover my head and body in public in compliance with the mandatory Islamic dress code. If I would be cut at a private family/friend/ wedding taking place in mixed company I would be punished for the crime of not being covered. Much worse would happen if I was caught drinking. It would not matter if I considered myself a non-believer of Islam who simply does not want to follow Islamic rules. I would be punished harshly, lashed, raped while in custody, before going on trial, No matter who is the president of Iran.

9. No matter who is the president of Iran, I would be killed if I was openly a homosexual. I would be denied all rights as a human being since homosexuality considered one of greatest possible sins under the Iranian Islamic regime. I would be considered a criminal and be killed because "there are no homosexuals in Iran!' That's odd, because some of my closest friends in Iran say they are gay, but stayed "in the closet" for fear of execution, No matter who is the president of Iran.

10. No matter who is the president of Iran, Iranian activists living in exile, including myself and many others who are openly opposed to the regime for its cruel human rights violations, will not be able to enter the country. We would be caught at the airport by the regime's police forces and forced to apologize and sign an apology letter for our actions against the regime. If we refused, we would be jailed without trial for wanting freedom for our fellow people. I would be denied of my basic rights as an opposition to the regime and would be called "spy", jailed, tortured, raped and executed, This would happen regardless of who was the president of Iran.

This is Iran. This is what it means to live under Ayotollah Khameini and his goons. No change is possible while Iran is controlled by autocratic, fundamentalist religious despots who determine the laws of the land. There has been no real election. Candidates are all hand-picked and cleared by a central religious committee. It is a farcical imitation of the free nomination/ election process that we have pictured in the free world. There is no possibility that a secular, pluralistic, freedom-loving democratic person who loves his or her country can become a candidate to run for president (or any other office) in Iran.

Let us not forget that Mousavi was Prime Minister of Iran in the 1980s, when more than ten thousand political prisoners were executed after three-minute sham trials. He has been a part of the Iranian dictatorship system for the past 30 years. If he had not been, he would not be allowed to be a candidate in the first place.

For these and many other reasons, I did not choose to vote and instead to boycott the election, along with many other Iranians. But this time, many Iranians who boycotted the vote in the last election voted in this one because of their profound disgust with President Ahamdinejad. I sympathise with them, but I believe that there exists no better option for the people of Iran than to entirely overthrow the Islamic regime that oppresses the country of my birth. I strongly support my people's movement against the ever-present dictatorship and violence infecting my country. I will scream, along with my compatriots, "Down with dictators!" "Down with murderers!" "Down with the brutal oppression that is the Islamic regime and all of its toxic, self-serving alliances."

Long live freedom in Iran!

Lila Ghobady is an exiled Iranian writer-journalist and filmmaker living in Canada since 2002. She has been involved with human rights since working as a journalist in Iran and has continued her work in Canada when she arrived as a refugee. She has worked as a Producer and associate Director of internationally-praised underground films along fellow exiled filmmaker Moslem Mansouri before leaving Iran. Her recent film Forbidden Sun Dance has been shown in India, France, Canada and Sweden. As a journalist, she received the BlogHer of the Week award for her Review piece on Slumdog Millionaire in March 2009. Lila has received her master's degree in Canadian/women studies from Carleton University in Ottawa. For more information, please read her blog at: www.banoufilm.blogspot.com. Lila can be contacted by e-mail at: lilacforfreedom@gmail.com

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Postby Sweejak » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:25 pm

Jeff wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:with a very short length limit.


This is what's made me wary of it.

I hate to be The 1984-Quoting Guy, but Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?


I think these are all good criticisms. But there are real journalists on twitter, Scahill, Leopold etc, and as for being too short, a single url can equal an entire library, one can email the author by sending a message to their email and carry on a conversation at any length you desire.

I don't have a cell phone so I never use it like that and maybe that's the difference in my perception of it.

Yeah the name is stupid, so is Blip, Yahoo, blog, and any number of other netty names.
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Postby Sweejak » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:46 pm

5. No matter who is the president of Iran, I would be denied a university education, a government job and a say in politics and it would be as if I basically did not exist if I was a Baha'i. I would be considered half a Shia Muslim, in all levels of society if I was Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian or even a Sunni Muslim, no matter who is the president of Iran.


Isn't Juan Cole Baha'i" What have the Iranians got against them? She should try being a Palestinian or Christian in Israel.

She sounds a little like the Iranian version of Kim Zeigfield (La Russophobe).
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Postby Jeff » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:54 pm

Sweejak wrote:Isn't Juan Cole Baha'i" What have the Iranians got against them?



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Postby sunny » Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:02 pm

Lila Ghobady wrote:5. No matter who is the president of Iran, I would be denied a university education


This is entirely false and she must know it.

Iranian women are among the most highly educated and socially active in the Middle East. Women have a 77% literacy rate and account for 60% of university students, according to local census.

The rest of her list seems slightly hysterical in light of this inaccuracy.
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Postby Jeff » Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:25 pm

sunny wrote:
Lila Ghobady wrote:5. No matter who is the president of Iran, I would be denied a university education


This is entirely false and she must know it.

Iranian women are among the most highly educated and socially active in the Middle East. Women have a 77% literacy rate and account for 60% of university students, according to local census.


I don't know anything else about Lila Ghobady, and I don't know much about this, but Baha'is complain of an unofficial policy of obstruction re admission to Iranian national universities.

http://news.bahai.org/story/657
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