The role of the Catholic church WRT conspiracies

[Sounder]

Some, a few, are influential to bishops. The rest are influential in helping the laity not to take the more harmful Catholic dogmas and doctrines too seriously — and if a real priest can tell a lay person that they really won't be burning in hell because they've chosen to defy the Church's more nutty directives, then I consider that a net plus.

This sounds similar to the relationship that my uncle has with the Church. Meanwhile the institution of the Church that turned the lies of spiritual conceit into an art-form century's ago, continue in their ability to place their Knights strategically. I think the institution uses and encourages the good intentions of the lower order members because it provides good cover for the more cynical motivations of the alpha male psychos. I may still want to see folk on the inside trying to influence things for the better, but frankly I think the psychos are having a good laugh at your friends expense.

And no offense, but whats up with this?

[Simulist]

And no offense, but whats up with this?

Hey: they're only half-naked, and they're adults! I'm hoping they start a trend.

[Sounder]

Maybe I should have skipped that, as it seems it may have distracted you.

[Simulist]

Not at all. One of the first things we learned in seminary was called "custody of the eyes" — and that meant don't ever let anyone see you looking.

Old Benny looks like he was absent that day.

[Hammer of Los]

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I wanted to see more of the girl in the black cat suit with the high heels who leads the acrobats on and off.

I love that sort of thing.

I'll have to go to a cosplay event one day.

But I just know I'll get AD on now telling me that catsuits and high heels are sexist and degrading to women.

He's such a spoilsport.

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Where where we?

Ah yes, the Catholic Church.

I was raised in the Catholic Church.

I was taught by Irish Christian Brothers in an all boys public school until I was 18. Yes, I was. I got an assisted place because I did so well in the 11 plus, so the fees were paid for. I was always more than a little bright.

I received a school prize which was awarded to me by Basil Hume, the then Archbishop of Westminster, the highest ranking prelate in the Catholic Church in England and Wales.

I even got very close to the Pope himself at a youth rally when John Paul II made a groundbreaking visit to England in 1982. I did always rather prefer John Paul I though. He was more of a liberal with a greater tolerance for liberation theologians of the kind that mobilised the working classes against their oppressors in south america.

In fact, my old nan always used to tell me I should become a teacher or a priest.

But I had too much of an eye for the women to ever seriously consider the catholic priesthood.

Plus I never really believed half of it.

Nowadays, I'm more of a daoist buddhist vedic neo pagan.*

And I don't believe any of it.

Well, until it becomes indubitable, that is.

You want more on topic?

Well, I could add the bit about Pope Benedict looking like Emperor Palpatine, but that would hardly be original.






* See? I didn't mention kabbalah or ritual magic once. Or chakras. I'm not into that stuff. Unlike Madonna. Oh hang on that was another thread wasn't it. Never mind.

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[Sounder]

I was pretty disturbed by the bombing of Libya and the role that NATO seemed to relish.

The CC was intimately connected to NATO's early years. Google Dr. Luigi Gedda civic committees for a start.

I wonder how many people are out there with bio's like this?

Brigadier General Alessandro Veltri

Brigadier General Alessandro Veltri, currently Commanding General of the “SASSARI” Mechanized Brigade, was born in 1959 in Naples (Italy). He attended the 160th Course at the Military Academy in Modena (1978 - 80) and the Scuola di Applicazione (Applied Studies Military School) in Turin (1980 - 82).

His military education, internationally oriented, also encompasses the “Lance” s/s tactical ballistic missile course (Germany 1983), NBC course (Germany 1987), management, maintenance and emergency destruction of liquid propelled missiles course (Great Britain 1988) and the material maintenance course (Rome 1991).

He also graduated from the Staff course (1992-93), Superior Staff course at the War School in Civitavecchia (1994-95) and from the Joint Armed Forces Staff Course at the Joint Armed Forces Staff Institute at Rome’s Defence High Studies Institute (1995).

During his career, he was appointed to a number of Command posts in the rank of Lieutenant and Captain. In the rank of Lieutenant Colonel, he was appointed Commanding Officer of the Artillery Battalion of the 3rd Regiment “Volturno” and later, once promoted to Colonel, Commanding Officer of the 3rd Regiment “Volturno” and of the 5th MRLS (Multiple Rocket Launcher System) Regiment “Superga” in Portogruaro (Venice).

While achieving a broad expertise as staff officer he was appointed to several jobs. From 1992 to 1993 at the Operations Department, and subsequently, from 1995 to 1997 at the Personnel Department in the Army General Staff HQ in Rome. From 1998 to 2001 he was appointed Section Chief and Chief Personnel at the Land Forces HQ in Verona and from 2005 to 2008 he was Branch Chief and Deputy Chief of the General Affairs Department of the Army Staff HQ.

He served overseas as Defence Attaché at the Italian Embassy in Israel, Tel Aviv from 2002 to 2005.

During his service, General Veltri has obtained the following qualifications:

Expert Swimmer for rescue;
Military Parachutist;
Armoured Units Commandant;

and was awarded the following medals:

Golden Cross in order of seniority of service;
Grand Officer Cross with Swords Merit of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta (S.M.O.M.);
Cavaliere (knight) of the Order of Merit of the Italian Republic;
Commemorative Medal of the Red Cross for outstanding service with the International Mission in Iraq;
Bronze Medal for Long period of Command of troops.

Brig. Gen. Veltri helds a Degree in Strategic Sciences from the University of Turin (1999) where he also obtained a Master in Strategic Sciences (2003). He has also obtained a Master in “Protocol for the Public Administration and for Private Companies” (2005) and completed the Professional Updating course in “Negotiation Methods and Techniques” at the University of Trieste (2002) and the Public Information Officer Course in Rome (2008).

Brig. Gen. Veltri and Mrs. Manuela have two children, Alessandro Ludovico (19) and Laura G

[Allegro]

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As I kept reading this article, well, I really don't know why I kept reading, but as I kept clicking the links, the piece had taken me from a female Baptist preacher and her experience of being abused as a kid, to Sandusky, to the Catholic Church, to “Year of the Bible” in Pennsylvania, to its sponsor, Rick Saccone. (Another Rick! presumed Mormon.) More links in the original. Highlights mine.

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Pushing the Limit:
Examining the Legislative Battle Over the
Statute of Limitations in Child Sex Abuse Cases
By Tara Murtha at Philadelphia Weekly | Posted Feb 8, 2012

As 78-year-old state Rep. Louise Williams Bishop (D-Philadelphia) began to speak to a crowd gathered in the rotunda of the capitol in Harrisburg at a public meeting in November, her voice wavered and shook, belying her decades of experience in public speaking as a polished politician, Baptist minister and radio DJ.

Shaky, Bishop revealed a secret she had held inside for six decades. “I discovered someone in the bed with me. [He was] doing a little more than feeling and touching,” she told the hushed audience, recalling the night when her stepfather first raped her.

Bishop, who was 12 at the time, says that when she awoke to find her stepfather in her bed, she “didn’t know how to react. I was afraid. There was fear. Fear in what my sisters, if they awakened, would think. Fear if I told my mother what she would say. Fear if my grandfather found out, he would have taken a shotgun and killed somebody and went to jail.”

“So I lived with that fear,” and the secret, “all these years.” Even as a minister listening to survivors, who at 35, 40 years old were revealing their own childhood sex abuse, Bishop remained silent about her own. She never even told her husband.

But here, surrounded by child abuse survivors and in the shock and turmoil of allegations against former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky, Bishop says she was moved to share her story.

“I was standing in front of people with stories that people may not have believed,” she says of that moment. “I had not planned to talk, to tell them about my experience, but when I saw them … I could not walk away from that without letting them know I understood, I’ve been through it, and that we were going to do everything we could do for them.”

What she means is: She’s not going to give up on abolishing the statute of limitations in Pennsylvania, because she knows how and why it can take a long time, a lifetime even, to come forward about having been abused. Bishop says that the burden she sees in the men she counsels does not expire, so the time period when survivors can come forward and press charges shouldn’t expire, either. She says it’s not about the money that could be won in a civil suit, but it helps, because survivors often need, and deserve, therapy and treatment.

“They need as much help as they can get to overcome that horrible experience and try to live a normal life,” says Bishop. “They don’t even start talking about it until they are 30, or 40, or 50 years old.”

Last February, Bishop introduced House Bill 832, a bill to eliminate the statute of limitations on sexual abuse of children in Pennsylvania. Current Pennsylvania statutes give survivors up until the age of 50 to file a criminal suit and until 30 to file a civil suit against their abusers. HB 832 would abolish the age limit altogether.

Bishop introduced the bill alongside Rep. Mike McGeehan’s HB 878, which would install a two-year “window,” a temporary time period in which survivors who otherwise aged out of the statute of limitation (SOL) could still file civil suits.

Sometimes called the “look-back window,” states around the country, including Delaware, have implemented the windows in the wake of child sex abuse scandals.

SOL reformists see window legislation as a tool to identify predators.

Indeed, after California passed a one-year window legislation in 2002, about 1,000 survivors came forward, and the names of more than 300 alleged perpetrators were identified, according to constitutional law expert and omnipresent SOL reform advocate Marci Hamilton, of Bucks County. Of the suits filed, about 850 were relevant to the Catholic Church.

The California experiment yielded interesting results: While it confirmed that indeed many survivors wait decades to come forward, it also sparked a backlash against SOL reform that was spearheaded, insiders say, by the Catholic Church.

In response, Church lobbyists across the country have repeatedly framed SOL reform as both a money-grab and as evidence of anti-Catholic bias.

Advocates in Harrisburg say the battle of statute of limitation reform is much bigger, and uglier, than Republicans versus Democrats. It boils down to church versus state.

Now, between the upcoming trial against Philadelphia priests accused of child sex abuse, the Penn State scandal and an administration that just declared 2012 the “Year of the Bible” in Pennsylvania, that battle has never been more intense and line has never been more blurry.

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A Resolution declaring 2012 as the “Year of the Bible” in Pennsylvania. Sponsor: Representative SACCONE. Saccone’s wiki describes Year of the Bible Controversy, and here’s the entire two page House Resolution in pdf.

Rick Saccone hasn’t a religious affiliation on his wiki, however, the first alma mater of four is Weber State University. The location of that university in Ogden, Utah, USA. So, I presume Saccone is Mormon.

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[Sounder]

Seeking to Justify the Current Papal Crusade
in the Middle East

The institutions that are behind major decision makers are the greatest beneficiaries of the collection of any countries tax receipts. In the US many SMOM folk are in critical, especially military positions. So we all do support the crusader impulse, read Catholic Church, financially and in others ways also without being aware, leaving ourselves quite able to deny that would ever support these psychopathic killers.

I am sorry to be such a dick but we live under quite a lot of illusions and my job as a guerrilla ontologist is to get folk to question the validity of their assumptions. We do support pedophiles and psychopathic killers.

These folks may be a bit nutty, but the content here is still instructive.

Dear Brother,

This "The Temple News" article is not current. It's from Dec 2004 but it shows Avery Cardinal Dulles, the Knights of Malta (SMOM)and the Pentagon seeking to justify the current Papal Crusade in the Middle East. Cardinal (Fordham Jesuit Avery Dulles), Colonel seek to justify war http://www.temple-news.com/media/paper1 ... 004/12/10/
News/Cardinal.Colonel.Seek.To.Justify.War-827696.shtml http://www.maltausa.org/files/newslette ... ers_02.pdf (see page

This symposium was moderated by two Temple University professors and Knights of Malta Jesuit-trained (Gregorian University) Dr. Craig de Paulo and Patrick Messina. Jesuit Cardinal Dulles said the following and this sounds identical to what Francis Cardinal Spellman said about "preventive war" referring to his crusade in Vietnam against the anti-Jesuit Buddhists. "There can be no abandoning of just-war principles," said Fordham Jesuit Avery Cardinal Dulles, the ranking member of the Catholic Church in attendance, in his opening address. "The infliction of harm has to be justified." What a callous and cold thing for anyone to say but it is no surprise to hear that kind of hate and fanaticism from a Professed Jesuit of the Fourth Vow who believes he can "find God (his god is Lucifer) in all things" even the bloodshed and genocide of the Muslim peoples. The Jesuits especially of the Professed Fourth Vow sort are sons of perdition.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

And no offense, but whats up with this?

I bet it was this video that put Ian Paisley in the hospital.

To be fair, it nearly did the same to me. Bloody hell.

[Sounder]

The current series of posts is in response to an assertion made by StarmanSkye a month or so ago, too which I had agreed. It was a statement along the lines of saying there are no ‘top conspirators’ to be tracked down. Unfortunately during this same time I was thinking about the obligation of a scientist to attempt to falsify the hypothesis. Given my preference for considering the world of ideas to be more interesting and influential than is the world or history of people, I am somewhat reticent about attaching culpability to any one group of people. None the less, a fairly quick perusal of the lines of authority and the allegiances of founders of and among ‘secret societies’ leads towards Jesuits and/or the Pope with a great deal of regularity.

But what does it mean?

http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.c ... ction.html

Although not so widely remembered as de Loyola, Jesuit co-founder Don Francis Borgia (1510-1572) was the great-grandson of Don Alexander Borgia and, on the maternal side descended from King Ferdinand of Arragon. The Borgias are the criminal family who infiltrated the great royal houses through stealth, trickery, warfare, and deceit. They were the Mafia of the Renaissance period.. They were also heavily involved in dark magic and highly skilled in all forms of murder.

Lucrezia, daughter of the Pope, was the only female Borgia to leave her mark on history. Lucrecia, married into French Royalty, was particularly adept with poisons. The Borgias were very prominent in the formation of the Roman Catholic Church as several of the most corrupt popes of all times ~ were Borgias. Their meddling with the dark side of the soul can be traced back for centuries, back to beyond the treacherous Caesars.

What a pedigree!

[Sounder]

The good is cover for the bad.


http://www.united-mutations.org/?p=8450

In this following list I do name nearly 40! contemporary people mostly of the US SMOM branch that are not only connected by their offices in Government and Industry, but connected through the same subordination to the Vatican!

Jesuits, Opus Die, Knights of Columbus, Knights of the Holy Selpulchure etc are not even included.

What does it mean when someone joins an organisation? He joins because of being in line with their believe and their cause – agreed?
What is the believe of the Knights of Malta?

They are knighted by the Pope – so are all loyal to the Pope – that’s first.

What is/was their cause?

They were created during the Crusades and “…began their operations as a Christian militia whose mission it was to defend the land conquered by the Crusaders.”

Now remember those above facts with every person you look at and see if that in your mind changes how he should be seen in the case of 9/11.
Also you have to know that e.g. more than half of the CIA Directors have been known Knight of Malta.

This is important in connection to worldwide blackops, drugtrade, “cold war” spying, supporting Osama Bin Laden etc. which by that is not only in the CIAs but SMOMs hands.

Cardinal Edward Egan
Military Vicar: The American Branch of the Knights of Malta, The Knights of Columbus
The Masonic Supreme Council of the 33rd Degree
Archbishop of New York
Cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church in the US

Rudy Giuliani
SMOM Knight of Malta
2001 Mayor of New York
Presidential Candidate 2008

George Pataki
SMOM Knight of Malta
Governor of New York

Michael Bloomberg
SMOM Knight of Malta
Media Mogul
Mayor of New York

Rupert Murdoch
SMOM Knight of Malta
Media Mogul (2% World media)

Daniel Imperato
SMOM Knight of Malta
Presidential Candidate 2008

George Tenet
SMOM Knight of Malta
Jesuit Trained
Director CIA

Michael Chertoff
SMOM Knight of Malta
Director of Department of Homeland Security

Emilio T. González
SMOM Knight of Malta
Under Secretary of Department of Homeland Security
Director, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/egonzalez-bio.html

Joseph Edward Schmitz
SMOM Knight of Malta
Opus Dei
CEO Blackwater

George H. W. Bush
SMOM Knight of Malta
Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath
Order of Skull and Bones
Shriner Freemason
CFR
Trilateral Commission
Committee of 300
Jesuit trained
Head of CIA
41st American President

Prescott Bush, Jr.
SMOM Knight of Malta
Chairman U.S.-China Chamber of Commerce

George W. Bush
Order of Skull and Bones
Knight of the Virign
Freemason, 33 Degree
43rd American President

Tony Blair
SMOM Knight of Malta
Freemason, 33 Degree
Bilderberger
British Prime Minister

Silvio Berlusconi
SMOM Knight of Malta
Italian Prime Minister

Robert Zoellick
SMOM Knight of Malta
Head of Worldbank
Deputy Secretary of State

Henry A. Kissinger
SMOM Knight of Malta
Shriner Freemason
CFR
Committee of 300
Bilderberger
P2

David Rockefeller
SMOM Knight of Malta
Shriner Freemason
Presidential Medal of Freedom (1998);
U.S. Legion of Merit (1945);
U.S. Legion of Honor (1945);
Italian Order of Merit;
Order of the Sun, Peru;
Order of the Cedar, Lebanon;
Order of the Crown, Belgium;
National Order of Ivory Coast;
Order of the Aztec Eagle, Mexico;
Order of the Southern Cross, Brazil;
Order of Francisco de Miranda, Venezuela;
Order of Humane African Redemption, Liberia;
The Grand Croix of the Legion d’Honneur (2000);
Grand Cordon, Order of Scared Treasure, Japan (1991);
Knight Commander’s Cross of the Order of Merit, Germany;
Order of the White Elephant and Order of the Crown, Thailand;
World Brotherhood Award, Jewish Theological Seminary (1953);
Medal of Honor for City Planning, American Institute of Architects (1968);
The Hundred Year Association of New York’s Gold Medal Award: “In recognition of outstanding contributions to the City of New York” (1965).
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Banker, Statesman, Globalist, UN
CFR Director
Bilderberger
Trilateral Commission
Council of the Americas
…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller

Geoffrey T. Boisi
SMOM Knight of Malta
Goldman Sachs for 22 years, a senior general partner
Goldman Sachs, which was worth $43.3 billion in 2005, received a $25 million grant for promising to stay in New York. Goldman Sachs also recieved a $1.65 billion government-backed “Liberty Bond,” funded by the $20 billion in 9/11 relief that Hillary secured for New York. Goldman Sachs used the $9 million to build its luxurious new headquarters, located on prime real estate across from Ground Zero.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17495

Richard Torrenzano
SMOM Knight of Malta
spokesman for the New York Stock Exchange
http://www.neco.org/awards/recipients/r ... nzano.html

Frank C. Carlucci
SMOM Knight of Malta
Ambassador to Portugal
Deputy Director CIA
Secretary of Defense
Project for the New American Century (PNAC)
Middle East Policy Council, Board of Directors
US-Taiwan Business Council, Chairman Emeritus
RAND Corporation, Board of Trustees
Advisory Board for RAND’s Center for Middle East Public Policy, founding co-chair
Wackenhut, Director
Carlyle Group, CEO
Frontier Group, Senior Member
Envion USA, Chairman

Raymond Flynn
SMOM Knight of Malta
Knight of the Supreme Order of Christ
Knight of St. Pius IX
Knight Commander of Saint Gregory the Great with Star
Knight of St. Sylvester
Knight of the Holy Sepulchre
Opus Dei
Ambassador to the Vatican
Mayor of Boston
Flynn is very close to Ratzinger
President of Catholic Alliance, a national lay Catholic political advocacy organization
Started and National Chairman of Catholic Citizenship
Endorsed Bush in 2000 through Catholic Alliance
In short, he is the most Papally-decorated American since the late Grand Master of the Knights of Columbus

Francis Rooney
SMOM Knight of Malta
Jesuit Trained Georgetown
Bush Sponsor
Ambassador to Holy See
100 Mio. Pentagon contracts 2003

Richard John Santorum
SMOM Knight of Malta
Opus Dei
US Senator
Senate Republican Conference, chairman
Ethics and Public Policy Center, Senior Fellow
Fox News Channel contributor

John Robert Bolton
SMOM Knight of Malta
American Enterprise Institute (AEI)
Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA)
Project for the New American Century (PNAC)
Institute of East-West Dynamics
National Rifle Association
US Commission on International Religious Freedom
Council for National Policy (CNP)
Committee for Peace and Security in the Gulf (CPSG)
Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)
Federalist Society
National Policy Forum
National Advisory Board
Manhattan Institute for Policy Research
New Atlantic Initiative
Project on Transitional Democracies
U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID)
Assistant Attorney General, Department of Justice
Ambassador to United Nations
2001 – Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security

Pat Buchanan
SMOM Knight of Malta
Jesuit trained Georgetown
CIA Project Mockingbird (Media Manipulation)
senior advisor to three American presidents, Nixon, Ford and Reagan
original host on CNN’s Crossfire
co-founded The American Conservative magazine
launched The American Cause, a paleoconservative foundation
political analyst on the MSNBC
regular on The McLaughlin Group

General Alexander M. Haig
SMOM Knight of Malta
Jesuit Trained Georgetown
Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations (DCSOPS) Pentagon, staff officer
Military Assistant to Secretary of the Army
Military Assistant to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara
U.S. Army Four-Star General
U.S. Secretary of State
White House Chief of Staff
American Committee for Peace in the Caucasus, co-chairman along with Zbigniew Brzezinski and Stephen J. Solarz
Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) Board of Advisors
Vice Chief of Staff of the Army – Kissingers Military Assistant
Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR)

Edward L. Hennessy, Jr.
SMOM Knight of Malta
Knight of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulcher
Knight of St.Gregory
Legion of Honor, France
Milal-l-Quad-l-Azam, Pakistan
New York Stock Exchange, Director
Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Director
Tri-County Scholarship Fund of the Diocese of Paterson, N.J., trustee and founding president
AlliedSignal Inc. (now Honeywell), chairman and CEO
http://inside.fdu.edu/otw/0704/alltext.html

John C. Gannon
SMOM Knight of Malta
Jesuit trained at Holy Cross
Jesuit Volunteer Corps, Member
ANSER Institute for Homeland Security, Board of Advisors
Intellibridge Corporation, Vice-Chairman
National Intelligence Council, Chairman
CIA, Deputy Director for Intelligence
CIA, Assistant Director of Intelligence for Analysis and Production
Directorate of Intelligence (DI), Office of European Analysis, Director

Burton Gerber
SMOM Knight of Malta
CIA, Officer
CIA, Station Chief in Moscow during the Cold War
CIA, European and the Soviet & East European divisions, Director
CFR
He was trained in various psychological and intellectual methods in order to perform his recruiting tasks. Gerber stated that the goal of this line of work is to “get things that can’t be gotten through any other means.”
http://www.assumption.edu/news/newshp/c ... erber.html

General Vernon A. Walters
SMOM Knight of Malta
Jesuit trained at Stonyhurst
50-year military career officer
deputy director of the CIA
deputy director of the DIA
ambassador-at-large
multilingual interpreter for several presidents
high-ranking aide to Presidents Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan and G.H.W. Bush
Career Intelligence Medal
President’s Citizens Medal (from Reagan)
Medal of Freedom (from G.H.W. Bush).
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/art ... 3823.shtml

General Anthony Zinni
SMOM Knight of Malta
Papal Gold Cross of Honor
CFR
United States Marine Corps, four-star General
United States Marine Corps, Operations Division at Headquarters, Head of the Special Operations and Terrorism Counteraction Section
United States Marine Corps, Marine Air-Ground Task Force, Head of Concepts and Capabilities Branch
United States Marine Corps, Quantico Base, Marine Air-Ground Training and Education Center, Chief of Staff
U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), Commander in Chief
organized Operation Desert Fox, airstrikes against Iraq December 1998, with the stated purpose of degrading Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction program
Special US envoy to Israel and the Palestinian Authority
Virginia Military Institute, Department of International Studies, Instructor
Virginia Military Institute, Stanley Chair in Ethics
University of California, Berkeley, Nimitz Chair
University of California, Berkeley, Institute on Global Conflict and Cooperation
Joint Forces Staff College, Hofheimer Chair
College of William and Mary, board of the Reves Center for International Studies
College of William and Mary, Harriman Professorship of Government
College of William and Mary, Department of Government, Instructor
Center for Strategic and International Studies, Distinguished Advisor
World Security Institute, Center for Defense Information, Distinguished Military Fellow
Zinni has been floated as a possible Vice Presidential nominee for Barack Obama, should he win the Democratic nomination

General the Lord Guthrie of Craigiebank
SMOM Knight of Malta
N.M. Rothschild & Sons representative to the Trilateral Commission
Pilgrims Society
SAS, commander
Defence Staff, Chief
Gold Stick to the queen
and part-time unofficial warmongerer for the Anglo-Saxon empire
http://www.pehi.eu/introduction.htm

Edwin J. Feulner
SMOM Knight of Malta
President Heritage Foundation
trustee Mont Pelerin Society
IMF & World Bank insider
chairman Institute for European Defense and Strategic Studies in London
Bohemian Grove
roommate of neocon warhawk and military-industrial complex insider John F. Lehman
http://www.pehi.eu/introduction.htm

Col. Albert J. Wetzel
SMOM Knight of Malta
Knight of the Holy Sepulchre
Air Force Hall of Fame, Titan missile project
The Louisiana Commandery, the Military Order of Foreign Wars of the United States
http://mofwla.com/index.html

Oliver North
SMOM Knight of Malta
USMC, Lieutenant Colonel
National Security Council
Freedom Alliance, Founded
Iran-Contra Scandal
still an important Bush/Clinton asset

Melquíades Rafael “Mel” Martínez
SMOM Knight of Malta

US Senator
Ted Kennedy
SMOM Knight of Malta
US Senator

Frank J. Fahrenkopf Jr.
SMOM Knight of Malta
Republican Party chairman
American Gaming Association, president and CEO
Commission on Presidential Debates, founder and co-chairman
National Endowment for Democracy, founder, vice chairman and a board member
International Republican Institute, founder and board member
Pacific Democrat Union, chairman
International Democrat Union, vice chairman

John J. DeGioia
SMOM Knight of Malta
Jesuit Georgetown University, President
CFR, represents Georgetown
World Economic Forum, represents Georgetown
U.S. National Commission for UNESCO, Chair of its Education Committee
Greater Washington Board of Trade
Federal City Council

Those are just part of the Knights I could identify.
To give you an idea what more in the light of 9/11 is in the closet, also in Orders most time close to the Vatican:

Peter G. Peterson
Shriner Freemason
Blackstone Group (pre 911 WTC7 mortgage lease), Chairman and co-founder
Federal Reserve Bank NY, Chairman
Strategic Alliance “Kissinger McLarty Associates”
CFR, Chairman of Board

Viet Dinh
Jesuit Georgetown University, Professor
Assistant Attorney General of the United States
U.S. Senate Whitewater Committee, Associate Special Counsel
Senator Pete V. Domenici, Special Counsel for the Impeachment Trial of President Clinton
Austrian and German Bank Holocaust Litigation, counsel to the Special Master
District of Columbia and U.S. Supreme Court bars
ChoicePoint, advisor on developing its US Government homeland security contracts
Transition Committee for California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, board member
Association of American Law Schools, Section on National Security Law, member
American Bar Association, member section on Administrative Law
American Judicature Society, board member
Liberty’s Promise, board member
News Corporation, board member
Dinh was mentioned as a potential nominee to The Supreme Court of the United States in a Republican administration
Chief Architect USA Patriot Act
Antonin Scalia
Opus Dei
US Supreme Court Justice
Clarence Thomas
Opus Dei
US Supreme Court Justice
Samuel Alito
Opus Dei
Knight of Columbus
US Supreme Court Justice

Stephen A. Schwarzman
Order of Skull and Bones
Chairman, co-founder Blackstone Group (pre 911 WTC7 mortgage lease)
Strategic Alliance “Kissinger McLarty Associates”
2007 Schwarzman celebrated his 60th birthday – Guests included Colin Powell, Mayor of New York City Michael Bloomberg, and Cardinal Edward M. Egan
In 2007, Schwarzman was listed among Time Magazine’s 100 Most Influential People in The World

Joseph A. O’Hare
Jesuit Priest
Fordham University, 19 years President
Regis High School, a New York City Jesuit High School, President
Catholic weekly America, editor in chief between
Mayor’s Committee on Appointments, Mayor Edward I. Koch
Charter Revision Commission of the City of New York
Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities, chairman
Association of Catholic Colleges and Universities (ACCU), chairman
Campaign Finance Board, first chairman, reappointed twice in the 1990s by Giuliani, serving until 2003
Thomas Von Essen
Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire
FDNY Fire Commissioner 911
Now senior Vice President “Giuliani Partners”

Bernard Kerik
Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire
NYPD Police Commissioner 911
Jennifer Sims
Jesuit Georgetown University, Professor
National Intelligence Community’s Distinguished Service Medal
Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence Coordination
Department of State’s first Coordinator for Intelligence Resources and Planning
Senator John Danforth, defense and foreign policy advisor
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, designee to

Richard Holbrooke
Freemason, 33 Degree
Committee of 300
2001 – Consultant to Council on Foreign Relations: Head of Terrorism-Workgroup

Jeb Bush
Knight of Columbus
Governor of Florida
Brother of George W. Bush

Cathy L. Lanier
Knight of Columbus
Office of Homeland Security and Counter-terrorism, Commander
Chief of Police of Washington D.C.

Frederick W. Smith
Order of Skull and Bones
FedEx Founder, Chairman, CEO
FedEx carried the Anthrax scare packages in the 911 aftermath

Joe M. Allbaugh
1984 George H.W. Bush – field staff of campaign
1994 George W. Bush Governor campaign
2000 George W. Bush President campaign
2001 Head of FEMA
after 2001
partner involved in New Bridge Strategies and Diligence-Iraq, a company founded by former CIA and FBI chief William Webster
Major Allbaugh Company clients include The Shaw Group and Halliburton subsidiary KBR
2006 Emergent Biosolutions (formerly BioPort /Anthrax Vaccine) Board of Directors
2007 Senior Advisor to the Rudy Giuliani presidential campaign

Tell me this:
How on earth can’t this be in the media? Isn’t this even evidence for the sceptic that at least something is wrong and has to be investigated?

Your corrections and input is very welcome.

I’d like to see their faces go pale as people start confronting them with these SMOM facts.

This should sting them way more than affiliating them with CFR or Bilderberg or Bohemian Grove.

Danke an Boris!

[slimmouse]

Your corrections and input is very welcome.

Al pacino, Youngest son of Marlon Brando,
Went on to become the last Corleone Godfather
Heavy Vatican connections. I know cos Ive seen the movie

Joking aside Sounder, thats a pretty impressive list youve drawn up there, especially if its all true.

I do have a question for you though, ( forgive me if its been posted on here somewhere, but if true, you'll probably know anyways) - I read somewhere that the vatican owns the white house building ? Is that true or just internet fluff ?

[Sounder]

slim, that material is not mine as it came from the website at the link.

It would be loose use of language, and not supported by anything that I know of, to say that the Vatican owns the white house building.

Although it would seem accurate to say that the Carrol family donated the land that the white house is built on.

[Elvis]

Is there still a Rothschild thread around this place? On one of them, or somewhere, it was said no Rothschild sits on the Trilateral Commission, so this jumped out at me from the Knights of Malta list above:

General the Lord Guthrie of Craigiebank
SMOM Knight of Malta
N.M. Rothschild & Sons representative to the Trilateral Commission
Pilgrims Society
SAS, commander
Defence Staff, Chief
Gold Stick to the queen
and part-time unofficial warmongerer for the Anglo-Saxon empire

(The only book I have about the Rothschild family is so dreary I didn't finish it. I'll see if I can find it and have another look at it.)



Another old book I've had on the shelf unread for years is American Freedom and Catholic Power, published in 1949. It's one of those books where you read a random page and you just know it's silly, so you don't read it. You keep it around as a novelty, promising to get to it someday, maybe. Occasionally when I finally read them they surprise me, and this thread inspired me to fetch this book and have a look. I was right the first time: it's silly.

It describes a plot to turn the US into a "Catholic States of America," like Red Dawn, but with Catholics. I'm not kidding. Sixty years later, the takeover seems to have been averted---but by whom? the Trilaterals? the Rothschilds? Okay, now I am kidding, but, seriously again, if I find anything noteworthy in the book I'll write about it here. I'm going to read the "Hierarchy" chapter, at least, for any inadvertently meaningful info that might relate to how they get away with financial crimes and child rape.

[LilyPatToo]

Wasn't sure where to put this scrap of news, but this thread seemed most logical. The Vatican is sponsoring a new exhibit in the Capitoline Museum titled "“Lux in Arcana: The Vatican Secret Archives Reveals itself.” Some of the hundred documents on display are documents from the trials of the Knights Templars. No info on what (if anything) of interest is revealed in them though.

LilyPat