The Wikileaks Question

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby justdrew » Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:05 am

Twyla LaSarc wrote:
justdrew wrote:
"The Pirate Bay Co-Founder, Peter Sunde, has started a new project which will provide a decentralized p2p based DNS system. This is a direct result of the increasing control which the US government has over ICANN. The project is called P2P-DNS and according to the project's wiki, this is how the project is described: 'P2P-DNS is a community project that will free internet users from imperial control of DNS by ICANN. In order to prevent unjust prosecution or denial of service, P2P-DNS will operate as a distributed and less centralized service hosted by the users of DNS. Temporary substitutes, (as Alpha and Beta developments), are being made ready for deployment. A network with no centralized points of failure, (per the original design of the internet), remains our goal. P2P-DNS is developing rapidly.'"


When I saw RAW speak about ten years ago, he was insisting that the internet would not be turned off or coralled, that the internet would constantly rebuild itself to thwart censorship and control. I was very skeptical at the time and I still worry, certainly the whole netfilx/comcast thing is a sign o' the times, but is cool to perhaps see that the internet may be more adaptable than I could imagine back in 2000.


For now there's still workarounds, at some point things may get more draconian but for now at least there are workarounds, doesn't mean they can't track what you're reading but so far they won't be able to stop it. P2P-DNS is a great idea, although I doubt there'll be any method of password recovery, I'm assuming some password at least will be needed to register addresses on it

http://www.prosebeforehos.com/government_employee/12/02/who-is-julian-assange/

Who Is Julian Assange?

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Have you seen the cartoon where the hero repeatedly avoids disaster by a whisker? Meet Julian Assange. He looks more like the evil nemesis to Austin Powers than a man who strikes fear into the hearts of world leaders. Tall, skinny and pasty white, he makes you want to rush him to the hospital for an infusion of Vitamin D. Whatever he is, Australian Julian Assange has captured the imagination of the world with his release of 250,000 diplomatic cables from the US Department of State.

Many wonder how he’s able to fly unimpeded in this day of increased airport security. He regularly travels internationally with the ease of a foreign dignitary, yet in April Wikileaks released a classified video of a US Apache helicopter firing indiscriminately on Iraqi civilians. Two Reuters News Service employees were shown killed in the attack.

The video was leaked to Assange by Pfc. Bradley Manning who now faces 52 years in prison under Articles 92 and 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and awaits an Article 32 hearing. While Manning languishes in a Marine brig at Quantico, Virginia, Assange travels throughout the world unmolested.

That leak was followed by the release of 92,000 documents known as the Iraq and Afghan War Diaries in July. While Assange’s source in this leak has yet to be identified, no charges have been filed against him in this matter, either.

Only this week WikiLeaks released 250,000 classified US State Department cables, revealing some of the most sensitive and embarrassing material yet. A warrant for his arrest has finally been issued, but not by the United States — Sweden issued a warrant on a month old rape allegation. Despite the fact that he illegally possesses hundreds of thousands of classified US documents, it’s a sexual deviancy charge that’s landed him on Interpol’s most wanted list.

There are those who say it’s impossible to charge Assange with the crime of espionage because the laws governing it have become antiquated. The absurdity of that claim is laughable. Assange is in possession of classified US State Department and military documents in violation of several existing criminal codes, and could be arrested and tried for his actions. Possession is possession, whether it’s a piece of paper or bits and bytes.

He’s in violation of laws for which he can be arrested in the United States, and he’s visited countries with whom we have mutual extradition treaties, so why doesn’t America attempt to arrest him? He’s committed crimes against the United States, a country that openly practices extraordinary rendition and torture. How can he still be alive, let alone free? There are three possible scenarios.

The first, Assange is exactly as he appears, and that is one of the most providential men on the face of the earth. Despite living in a world filled with satellite technology, that he travels openly on his own passport, and has one of the most recognizable faces on the planet, somehow he’s just slippery enough that he manages to escape in the nick of time. Virtually every police agency in the world covets him, yet by sleeping on the couch at a friend’s apartment he confounds them all. Anyone who’s ever tried to avoid an ex-wife knows the fallibility of that strategy.

Second, maybe he has a benefactor greasing the skids for him. Is there any individual, George Soros or Rupert Murdoch maybe, that has the influence to protect Assange? How about a consortium of corporations? It appears, even though many of these things happened on George W. Bush’s watch, that the timing has been most inopportune for Barack Obama. Could it be a Republican assault on the president? Certainly, someone in Assange’s position that’s brazen enough to appear on TEDGlobal 2010 in front of a live audience in July has an unnatural sense of invulnerability, but is it being provided by a third party?

Third, and the one I’m pulling for, is that Assange possesses a digital weapon of mass destruction, rigged with a dead man’s switch, that makes him unassailable. Possibly he’s come into possession of information that, if revealed, would so completely disrupt the status quo that nobody knows what to do about him. If you watched Clinton as she denounced Assange and his document release, you could see that she was visibly shaken. Politicians live for face time in front of the camera: it’s how they spread their brand. However it was obvious Clinton wanted to be anywhere other than where she found herself.

Bolstering this possibility could be Assange’s connection with Peiter Zatko, who currently works at the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), trying to find a way to stem the flow of leaks. When asked about their past relationship, Assange replied, “No comment.” You have to wonder if these two still talk, and if so, what about. Could Assange’s boldness have something to do with his relationship with Zatko? You can’t get much further inside than DARPA.

There was another possibility, and that was Assange was purely political theater, established to distract people and make them believe they had a real hero out there. Like the WWE has good guys and bad guys, he would give us all someone to root for while really doing little of consequence. However after watching Clinton’s performances, she appears too rattled for that to be the case. This isn’t theater.

Assange’s lifestyle should make his disappearance easy. If he went missing, a majority people would assume that he came to his senses and slipped into hiding. There would be conspiracy theories, but nothing could ever be proved unless they found a body.

In fairness, the United States has not been the sole target of Assange’s efforts. His revelations of the illegal activities of Kenyan President Daniel Arap Moi shifted the polls by 10 points and cost Moi the election. He also revealed concerns about Iceland’s intelligence organization, and helped that country to establish an international media haven for whistleblowers:

Reykjavik, Iceland; 4:00 UTC, June 16th 2010: The WikiLeaks advised proposal to build an international “new media haven” in Iceland, with the world’s strongest press and whistleblower protection laws, and a “Nobel” prize for Freedom of Expression, has unanimously passed the Icelandic Parliament.


So Assange has not restricted his efforts to the United States, however recently it seems to have been his main focus. Wikileaks will soon release information on a “major American bank,” stating the information to be leaked is “like the Enron e-mails,” and much more voluminous than anything he’s released on a private company in the past. He claims it’s possible this leak will bring the bank down and have a profound change on worldwide banking in the future.

It’s hardly hyperbolic to say that the people at whom Assange so cavalierly thumbs his nose have no problem killing to protect what’s theirs. Medgar Evers, John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King: they were all eliminated for being obstacles. Assange has surely crossed over into the same territory as those icons, yet he lives, at least so far. He either has a guardian angel or he knows where all the bodies are buried in Washington, DC.

As if to drive home the point that he’s untouchable, Assange gave an interview to Time magazine via Skype on Tuesday regarding his recent document release, and suggesting that Hillary Clinton should resign as Secretary of State. He’s on Interpol’s most wanted list, yet he still gives interviews. This guy is holding trump cards, and a lot of them, and he acts like he knows he has a winning hand.

For all of our sakes, I hope he’s right.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby hava1 » Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:38 am

thanks, very isntructive vid. I heard that Fantino won the vaughan elections, that's another victory for Netanyahu :) ?
the left is all paranoids and stingy people, who have to say "the last word", usually to their colleagues :), nothing to write home about, and so I would recommend to duck, politically, for a decade or two...its like harry potter and the deathly hollows, there is no safe place, and if you remember the little fable about the three brothers...:) the thrid brother took the right way.






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hava1 wrote:I think its very ...sluggish to blame a man who is running away from the USA in being a stooge who is playing a psyops game. He is likely to be protected for a while by the UK, but where else can he go ?

That might account for the "pro bibi slant", because Israel CAN protect him from the USA, if he gives something, while none of those who speak high and mighty here, can do that.

I think that's a test for the UK, which so far is playing dumb and slow, allowing him to escape.

My proposal for him is to take a "crash conversion" with the local Rabbi, make aliya under law of return, put on a yarmulke and join a settlement :), there are so many runaways, fugitives and outright criminals here, he will mingle in the crowd,and soon be forgotten, before he appears again with one of those biblical names that converts adopt here...

Other places he can go to, is Namibia, which for a nice amount will give him refuge (one big fat fish had already done that and escaped the mighty long hand of the FBI).

I wouldnt recommend Canada....




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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby stefano » Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:46 am

smiths wrote:dont have time to link to it and not sure if its already posted but ... the article i just read about Bank governor Mervyn Kings role in the formation of British government is pretty damn intersting
Here's one in the Guardian - WikiLeaks cables: Mervyn King had doubts over Cameron and Osborne, is that what you mean? "Mervyn King told the US ambassador, Louis Susman, he had held private meetings with [Cameron and Osborne] before the election to urge them to draw up a detailed plan to reduce the deficit. He said the pair operated too much within a narrow circle [City and the Heum Counties possibly] and "had a tendency to think about issues only in terms of politics, and how they might affect Tory electorability". He also predicted that economic recovery would be "a long drawn-out process", since Britain had not been through an economic restructuring."

In other news, Everydns.net, the Californian DNS services company in charge of wikileaks.org, has stopped routing queries to the servers so wikileaks.org is now offline. Also Joe Lieberman made a company remove visualisations of the contents of the cables from the web and put pressure on Amazon (through Everydns? I can't quite reconcile the two stories) to take down WikiLeaks.

So if it's a Zionist plot it's some kind of crafty triple-bluff.

I haven't weighed in here yet but my thoughts are that Assange is genuine and a total famewhore. A story on Cryptome (that I couldn't find now) quotes an ex-collaborator of his as saying that Assange spends about 80% of the money coming in on himself - the hotels and suits and what not.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:52 am

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Got this from another forum, thought it might be useful here.

Poster posted:

I noticed that the number of documents released so far changed from 607 yesterday, to 598 today. In the upper left-hand corner of the web page you can see the number of documents released so far.

Poster posted:
Good spot. Anyone know anything about this?


It seems Wikileaks is publishing docs briefly and then retracting some. Whether that's because these particular docs make some people in vulnerable positions easily identifiable, or because Wikileaks' lawyers tell them to remove them, or due to other pressures or problems, I don't know. Given the nature of Wikileak's core audience (including of course the intelligence services of every country in the world) publishing then retracting documents could be seen as a way of emphasizing them, making them seem more important and valuable, and a way of making sure everybody reads them.

Here are the docs that have been retracted so far, courtesy of Google cache:

05telaviv1580
SUBJECT: MOSSAD CHIEF TO CODEL CORZINE: SOME FOREIGN
FIGHTERS BEGINNING TO LEAVE IRAQ
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

06abudhabi1401
SUBJECT: SCENESETTER FOR HOMELAND SECURITY AND
COUNTERTERRORISM ADVISOR TOWNSEND'S VISIT TO THE UAE
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

07telaviv64
SUBJECT: SCENESETTER FOR THE SECRETARY'S JANUARY 13-15
VISIT TO ISRAEL
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

07baghdad3895
SUBJECT: UK AMBASSADOR TO IRAN ON IRI NEGOTIATING STYLE,
TACTICS
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

07state152317
SUBJECT: POST REQUESTED TO FOLLOW UP ON ONGOING MATTERS OF
PROLIFERATION CONCERN RAISED AT APEC BY PRESIDENT BUSH
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

08muscat565
SUBJECT: OMAN REMAINS WARY OF IRANIAN EXPANSIONISM
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

08rpodubai49
SUBJECT: [SOURCE REMOVED] OUTLINES IRC’S
AUXILIARY ROLE [DETAILS REMOVED] IRGC, MOIS
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

08state134490
SUBJECT: (S) LETTER FROM DEPUTY SECRETARY NEGROPONTE
REGARDING 2003 ARMENIAN ARMS PROCUREMENT FOR IRAN
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

09riyadh181
SUBJECT: SAUDI EXCHANGE WITH RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR ON IRAN'S
NUCLEAR PLANS
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

09ankara226
SUBJECT: ELDERLY AMERICAN SMUGGLED OUT OF IRAN
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

09baghdad1103
SUBJECT: IRAN IN IRAQ: STRATEGY FOR PRESSURING IRGC-QF
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

09rpodubai177
SUBJECT: IRAN REGIONAL PRESENCE OFFICE--WINDOW ON IRAN--APRIL 22,
2009
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

09ashgabat757
SUBJECT: IRAN POST-ELECTION: [Source removed] CALLS
RESULTS A “COUP D’ETAT;” SAYS INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY SHOULD DEMAND A RECOUNT
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

09kuwait760
SUBJECT: GEN PETRAEUS AND KUWAITI DCOS ON IRAN, IRAQ, CT,
YEMEN AND JOINT MILITARY EXERCISES
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

09ankara1594
SUBJECT: TURKISH MEDIA REACTION
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

09baghdad2922
SUBJECT: IRAN'S EFFORTS IN IRAQI ELECTORAL POLITICS
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

09baghdad3195
SUBJECT: IRAN/IRAQ: THE VIEW FROM NAJAF
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

09doha728
SUBJECT: QATAR,S PRIME MINISTER ON IRAN: "THEY LIE TO US;
WE LIE TO THEM."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

10london131
SUBJECT: [SOURCE REMOVED] TARGETED BY IRANIAN REGIME
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

10baku134
SUBJECT: AZERBAIJANI PRESIDENT TO U/S BURNS: "YOU CAN'T
BOIL TWO HEADS IN ONE POT"
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

10rome173
SUBJECT: SECDEF MEETING WITH ITALIAN FOREIGN MINISTER
FRANCO FRATTINI, FEBRUARY 8, 2010
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a



They all relate to Iran in one way or another, and give a negative view of the place and it's government, but none are particularly interesting or new to my limited knowledge. I guess the effect they will have on Iranian intelligence, which will obviously be reading them, would be to make them feel isolated, and backstabbed by countries they might have considered allies, or at least sympathisers, up till now.

Why they were removed from the site after publication, rather than just having the names of people or organizations redacted in advance, I don't know. Hopefully someone here will have a better idea than me.

For the time being, I'm keeping an open mind on Wikileaks. I want to see what they have on Lockerbie, and Prince Andrew's comments on the Al Yamama arms deal and the Serious Fraud Office investigation have already been useful to me.

It was nice to see a UK Government DA-Notice being so widely publicized in the press as well. A lot of folk didn't know such things existed.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Ben D » Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:12 am

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101203/ap_on_hi_te/wikileaks

WikiLeaks dropped by domain name provider

By LOUISE NORDSTROM, Associated Press – 41 mins ago
STOCKHOLM – WikiLeaks' American domain name system provider withdrew service to the wikileaks.org name after the secret-spilling website once again became the target of hacker attacks.

EveryDNS said in a statement that it dropped the website late Thursday because the attacks threatened the rest of its network. WikiLeaks responded by moving to a Swiss domain name, wikileaks.ch.

EveryDNS said in a statement that "Wikileaks.org has become the target of multiple distributed denial of service attacks. These attacks have, and future attacks would, threaten the stability of the EveryDNS.net infrastructure." EveryDNS provides access to some 500,000 websites.

In a tweet on Friday, the owner of EveryDNS, Dynamic Network Services Inc., wrote that "trust is paramount: Our users and customers are our most important asset." It did not specify whether it was referring to WikiLeaks, however.
WikiLeaks confirmed the move in a separate tweet, saying "WikiLeaks.org domain killed by US everydns.net after claimed mass attacks." It was not clear where the alleged attacks were coming from.


Now if Wikileaks is dealing with stolen US Government data, then that would appear to me to be against the law and the PTB should be required to take the appropriate steps to bring it to an end. If Wikileaks is utilizing US internet companies to conduct their business, then it seems that they could easily be legally forced to shut down the Wikileaks service.

My question is,...why haven't they done that?
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby 82_28 » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:23 am



Everybody is falling for it according to their chosen/inculcated partisan cult's of personalities. It's a problem with it's own built in controversy and a controversy with it's own spiraling and exponential problems from here. This is clear cut bullshit. This is an obvious attempt to fucking kill the open dissemination of all PACKETS of info -- not what they contain and how they may impact the gentle reader, but the pure flow of all data. This is an attempt to shoehorn all data. The fact that it is happening to the "US" is the tell. Something will clearly need to be done about this!

And done about this, it will be. Call your mom up tomorrow or your 14 year old nephew and tell them the exact same story about an open and free Internet and neither will understand what the fuck it is you're talking about, yet both will have an opinion on WHAT THEY'VE HEARD about this "wikileaks". One won't understand jack shit but will be concerned, but as I said, not understanding jack shit. The other will grok what you're getting at but will say who the fuck cares -- I gotz my data plan and will go on to actually pronounce the word "p0wn3d" in a conversation with you. Little does anybody know what the fuck that is actually happening. Computing, networking and even phreaking used to be the realm of the curious and the curious who sought to teach the confused. Now all that curiosity is taken care of by monthly installments to Geek Squad and iTunes subscriptions.

But the Mighty Wurlitzer is ever so cleverly taking this "wild west world wide web" by the horns by creating a fake ass story, narrative, combined with strategic corporate announcements concerning the availability of on demand entertainment, who's entertainment happens to revolve almost solely with aliens, frat boy comedy, chick flicks and 3D. They're moving the fuck in. . .
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:56 am

on the swedish angle as pertains to wikileaks:

1) from sijepuis on the Hariri thread:

One of the most successful - and "blackest" - of US-British "black operation" against a Western, albeit neutral, country was carried out in first half of the 1980s. In 2000, none other than Reagan's secretary of defense, Caspar Weinberger, declassified it in an interview with Swedish TV in the context of an investigation into the affair of the "Soviet submarines".

Then Swedish prime minister Olaf Palme was a real thorn in Western flesh. Apart from his backing for the Afrincan National Congress and the Palestine Liberation Organization, he was very vocal in his criticism of the increasingly dangerous American confrontation policies towards the Soviet Union. His stance enjoyed widespread support within the Swedish population. This rather dramatically with the worldwide frenzy about "the Soviet aggression of neutral Sweden", when Swedish territorial waters were repeatedly "violated by Soviet submarines" and by landings of "Soviet special forces" on the Swedish coast. These "incursions" stopped with the still unresolved murder of Palme in 1986, despite two unsuccessful attempts to convict a man named Christer Pettersson for the crime.

With a pleased smirk, Weinberger confirmed that there was nothing Soviet in the violation of Swedish territorial waters (the Soviets "didn't have the capabilities"). There were, instead, routine exercises, "between the Swedish navy and the American and British navies and since they were routine, the Swedish admiral responsible saw obviously no need to inform his superiors or his subordinates about the nature of the "enemy".

It was, in fact, not quite a "regime change", but a joint US-UK operation together with the top brass of the Swedish navy and Swedish intelligence, conducted against the foreign policy of the Swedish government. Since then Sweden has been rather careful not to challenge American policies - with the exception perhaps of the very popular Foreign Minister Anna Lindh, in line to become the next prime minister. She was stabbed to death in 2003 by a mentally disturbed young immigrant.


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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/IH08Aa01.html



2) from wikileaks:

The noose tightens around WikiLeaks' Assange
(AP) – 1 day ago
LONDON (AP) — The law is closing in on Julian Assange. Swedish authorities won a court ruling Thursday in their bid to arrest the WikiLeaks founder for questioning in a rape case, British intelligence is said to know where in England he's hiding, and U.S. pundits and politicians are demanding he be hunted down or worse.

The former computer hacker who has embarrassed the U.S. government and foreign leaders with his online release of a huge trove of secret American diplomatic cables suffered a legal setback when Sweden's Supreme Court upheld an order to detain him — a move that could lead to his extradition.
Meanwhile, Assange continues to leak sensitive documents. Newly posted cables on WikiLeaks' website detailed a host of embarrassing disclosures, including allegations that Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi accepted kickbacks and a deeply unflattering assessment of Turkmenistan's president.
Assange is accused in Sweden of rape, sexual molestation and coercion in a case from August, and Swedish officials have alerted Interpol and issued a European arrest warrant to bring him in for questioning.

The 39-year-old Australian denies the charges, which his lawyer, Mark Stephens, said apparently stemmed from a "dispute over consensual but unprotected sex." Stephens said the case is turning into an exercise in persecution.

While Assange has not made a public appearance for nearly a month, his lawyer insisted authorities know where to find him.
"Both the British and the Swedish authorities know how to contact him, and the security services know exactly where he is," Stephens told The Associated Press.
It was unclear if or when police would act on Sweden's demands. Police there acknowledged Thursday they would have to refile their European arrest warrant after British authorities asked for more details on the maximum penalties for the three crimes.
Scotland Yard declined comment, as did the Serious and Organized Crime Agency, responsible for processing European arrest warrants for suspects in England — where The Guardian claims Assange is hiding out.

In a statement, Assange's lawyer in Sweden, Bjorn Hurtig, suggested that Assange is being retaliated against for the leaks.
"I do find it somewhat strange and to say the least 'coincidental' that Interpol has made the arrest warrant public simultaneous to Wikileaks releasing its latest revelations," Hurtig said. "My mind remains open as to whether the prosecutor has been influenced by any third-party considerations."
Stephens — who also represents the AP on media-related matters — said that if Assange is ever served with a warrant, he will fight it in British court. "The process in this case has been so utterly irregular that the chances of a valid arrest warrant being submitted to me are very small," he said.
The Swedish case has been subject to a great deal of back and forth, with Swedish prosecutors repeatedly overruling each other and disagreeing over whether to classify the most serious accusation as rape.

WikiLeaks spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson said late Wednesday that the organization is trying to keep Assange's location a secret for security reasons. He noted that commentators in the United States and Canada have called for Assange to be hunted down or killed.
Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice presidential candidate, likened Assange to an al-Qaida propagandist and accused him, without offering any proof, of having "blood on his hands."

"Why was he not pursued with the same urgency we pursue al-Qaida and Taliban leaders?" she asked in a message posted on her Facebook page.
"I think Assange should be assassinated, actually," Tom Flanagan, a former adviser to Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, told the CBC. "I think Obama should put out a contract or maybe use a drone or something." Flanagan, a U.S.-born professor of political science at the University of Calgary, later apologized.
In Washington, the top Democrat and Republican at the Senate Intelligence Committee called on Attorney General Eric Holder to prosecute Assange for espionage. Committee chairwoman Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and vice chairman Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., said in a letter Thursday that they believe Assange's behavior falls under the Espionage Act, which makes it a crime to willfully pass on defense information that could hurt the U.S.

U.S. government lawyers are investigating whether Assange can be prosecuted for spying, a senior American defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said earlier this week. WikiLeaks has not said how it obtained the documents, but the government's prime suspect is an Army private, Bradley Manning, who is in the brig on charges of leaking other classified documents to WikiLeaks.

State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said WikiLeaks is not a news organization and Assange is neither a journalist nor a whistle-blower, but someone with a political agenda.

"I think he's an anarchist," Crowley said. He said Assange is "trying to undermine the international system that enables us to cooperate and collaborate with other governments."

"What he's doing is damaging to our efforts and the efforts of other governments," the spokesman said.

One batch of the latest leaked dispatches — these from the U.S. Embassy staff in Turkmenistan — portrays the president of the former Soviet state in Central Asia, Gurbanguli Berdymukhamedov, as "vain, suspicious, guarded, strict, very conservative, a practiced liar," and "not a very bright guy."
According to another one of the cables, Georgia's ambassador in Rome claimed that Berlusconi was promised a cut of the profits in energy deals with Russia. Berlusconi denied the allegation.

The documents also included a frank assessment from the American envoy to Stockholm about Sweden's historic policy of nonalignment — a policy that the U.S. ambassador, Michael Woods, seemed to suggest was for public consumption only.

Sweden's military and intelligence cooperation with the U.S. "give the lie to the official policy" of non-participation in military alliances, Woods said. He added in a separate cable that Sweden's defense minister fondly remembers his time as a high school student in America and "loves the U.S."

Woods cautioned American officials not to trumpet Sweden-U.S. cooperation in the fight against terrorism too openly, because that would open up the Swedish government to domestic criticism.


In England, meanwhile, a front-page story in The Guardian alleged that one of the leaked cables showed British politicians trying to keep Parliament in the dark over the storage of American cluster bombs on British territory — despite an international ban on the weapons. Britain's Foreign Office denied the charge.
Rising and Louise Nordstrom reported from Stockholm. Gillian Smith in London contributed to this report.


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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby dqueue » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:05 am

I had noticed the changing count of released cables, too. Overnight (a couple nights ago) I saw it move from 602 back down to 598. And again from 611 down to 602 or so. I wondered if it could have been innocuous, such that the site was hosted on a farm of servers; data duplication between member servers might not have been "immediate". However, the data culled from Google cache could indicate otherwise.

As such, I'm on the fence regarding that issue. Still, it's interesting.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:07 am

Joe Lieberman's Campaign To Trample The First Amendment Is Proceeding Right On Schedule
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 12/02/2010 23:24 -0500


As if it wasn't enough that America's ruling oligarchs were sufficiently happy with abdicating their governing duties to the Federal Reserve, they have now decided to imitate China in every possible way, and in addition to making up economic data as they go (for actual numbers just look around you, for all the other imaginary bullshit there's the BLS), they have now proceeded to wipe their ass with the first amendment, on their way to converting the US to a complete banana republic. After Joe Lieberman made a mockery of Internet freedom of speech (and of Amazon's independence) he has now decided to step up his campaign against un-coopted journalists everywhere, precisely as we suspected would happen next in the USSA. Per MSNBC, the Independent Connecticut senator has told Tableau, a Seattle company that allows Web users to post charts, to remove several charts describing the release of WikiLeaks material. The company removed the charts on Thursday, following the lead of Amazon, which had taken down the WikiLeaks documents themselves. The punchline: none of the charts contained any classified data: "The charts were not produced by WikiLeaks, but by a freelance journalist. And they contained no classified or secret material. The charts merely depicted how many times each country, or topic, was discussed in the cables." In other words, as Bill Dedman concludes: "these charts were journalism."

A cached version of the chart in question is being reproduced below:

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Tableau's statement in response to Lieberman's bullying was as follows:

Wednesday afternoon, Tableau Software removed data visualizations published by WikiLeaks to Tableau Public. We understand this is a sensitive issue and want to assure the public and our users that this was not an easy decision, nor one that we took lightly. . . .

Our decision to remove the data from our servers came in response to a public request by Senator Joe Lieberman, who chairs the Senate Homeland Security Committee, when he called for organizations hosting WikiLeaks to terminate their relationship with the website.

Below is the take of Salon's Glenn Greenwald on this incurision into the last remaining liberty that Americans actually had left (in addition to collecting jobless benefits in perpetuity of course... and buying NFLX at 1,000x fwd PE):

Those are the benign, purely legal documents that have now been removed from the Internet in response to Joe Lieberman's demands and implied threats. He's on some kind of warped mission where he's literally running around single-handedly dictating what political content can and cannot be on the Internet, issuing broad-based threats to "all companies" that -- by design -- are causing suppression of political information. I understand Tableau's behavior here; imagine if you were a small company and Joe Lieberman basically announced: I am Homeland Security and you are to cease being involved with this organization which many say is a Terrorist group and Enemy Combatant. What Lieberman is doing is a severe abuse of power, and even for our anemic, power-revering media, it ought to be a major scandal (though it's not because, as Digby says, all our media stars can process is that "Julian Assange is icky").

If people -- especially journalists -- can't be riled when Joe Lieberman is unilaterally causing the suppression of political content from the Internet, when will they be? After all, as Jeffrey Goldberg pointed out in condemning this, the same rationale Lieberman is using to demand that Amazon and all other companies cease any contact with WikiLeaks would justify similar attacks on The New York Times, since they've published the same exact diplomatic cables on its site as WikiLeaks has on its (added: the only diplomatic cables posted on the WikiLeaks site thus far are the ones published by the newspapers with which WikiLeaks partnered -- such as the NYT, Guardian, Der Spiegel, etc. -- and they include those newspapers' redactions; no other cables have yet been posted to the WikiLeaks site). What Joe Lieberman is doing is indescribably pernicious and if "journalists" cared in the slightest about their own self-interest -- never mind all the noble things they pretend to care about -- they ought to be vociferously objecting to this.

[ http://www.salon.com/news/joe_lieberman ... censorship ]

As this pretty much covers it all, there is little to add.

Our advice: after Lieberman is done censoring the Internet, he and his fellow deranged banker puppets will start going down the list of constitutional amendments... which is why if you have been putting of on procuring that gun permit, and putting that bar or two of gold in a safe far, far away from America, this may be a good time to do so.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/joe-li ... t-schedule

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:48 am

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby nathan28 » Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:30 pm

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It was totally obvious to me that the Pakistani gov't encouraged a war against its own rural population, and totally obvious to me that the State Dep't was so petty and paranoid that it felt it necessary to steal Ban Ki Moon's credit card and to make efforts to collect DNA from foreign diplomats, and totally obvious to me that the State Dep't was delusional enough to suggest a "need" for "military intervention" against Cuba because it is going to lay off a large number of gov't employees, all of whom would leave their skilled positions and the generous social safety net in Cuba to seek employment as hotel and retirement home janitors in Florida.

And it's clearly propaganda that any Arab leader, especially a Wahabist one, might want to see Iran attacked. I guess that the Iran-Iraq War was just the result of a crack KWH team dispatched by the Mossad.

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zerohedge wrote:As if it wasn't enough that America's ruling oligarchs were sufficiently happy with abdicating their governing duties to the Federal Reserve, they have now decided to imitate China in every possible way, and in addition to making up economic data as they go (for actual numbers just look around you, for all the other imaginary bullshit there's the BLS)


BLS does not cook its books. The numbers they provide are awful--by their figures incomes have stagnated for decades, and if you exclude their data from cosmopolitan areas and a few oasis suburbs the US is basically a "developing" nation. Not even Thomas Friedman and David Brooks can hide the numbers--they just write about how unimportant they are, because now even poor people can afford 2GB iPod shuffles, much like how they write that people on social security need to "make sacrifices" to support the US war effort in Afghanistan. With brilliant examples of humanity like these, who say that it's just not important that the BLS essentially tells us that old women will have to eat cat food so robots can drop bombs on schoolkids, why do we need to engage with fabulism?
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Nordic » Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:25 pm

Many wonder how he’s able to fly unimpeded in this day of increased airport security.


Well there's an elephant in the room, no?

If they wanted to pick him up, it's rather obvious that they could.

So they don't pick him up for two possible reasons:

1. He has dirt on them and can thus move with impunity.

2. He's one of them.

Not really any other options as far as I see it.

That's why I'm still on the fence about this. There's not a lot of middle ground there.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby nathan28 » Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:21 pm

Nordic wrote:
2. He's one of them.


Not really any other options as far as I see it.

That's why I'm still on the fence about this. There's not a lot of middle ground there.



You forgot:

2B. There's more than one "them" and they don't share as many interests as we want to pretend.


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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:28 pm

Belligerent Savant wrote:.






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