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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby 82_28 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:17 am

Can anybody explain how the parents of the young girl had the capacity to get interviewed on NBC's "special" tonight as though she had died 10 years ago and were simply reminiscing? It was as though they didn't care or had been expecting something like this all along. It was eerie.

Also, how about this NASA weirdness from a few years ago?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak

The last time I saw Lisa Nowak was Thanksgiving weekend 2001 at our 20th high-school reunion. This moment is etched in my mind, though I'm not sure why. The infamous drive from Texas to Florida, the diaper drama and wig, the love triangle, the late-night jokes—all of that had yet to happen. There I was, chatting with old friends at the Marriott in Gaithersburg, Md., when Lisa walked over to say hello. It was just two months after 9/11 and we all needed something happy to focus on. Lisa had the right stuff. She was elated about her twin girls, born just weeks before. And she was looking forward to pulling on her spacesuit and going for a ride. Nowak was the great Astromom—the woman who could mother three kids and train for a NASA shuttle flight. I was glad to see her.

I am still trying to sort out what happened six years later. This week Navy Capt. Lisa Marie Nowak appeared before a judge in an Orlando courtroom in a dark suit, pearls, and pumps, and pleaded guilty to two charges in the notorious case against her: felony burglary and misdemeanor battery. She looked exhausted, thin, and aged. Nowak answered the judge's questions calmly and confidently, then listened as her victim, Colleen Shipman, described the horror she experienced on the night of Feb. 5, 2007, when Nowak followed her to her car in the dark parking lot of Orlando International Airport and assaulted her with pepper spray. A shaken Shipman, who was dating Nowak's love interest, former space-shuttle pilot Bill Oefelein, detailed the nightmares, anxiety, high blood pressure, dizzy spells, and chest pain she has suffered since the attack. Nowak, she said, is a great actress and an accomplished liar. "I know in my heart when Lisa Nowak attacked me, she was going to kill me," Shipman testified. "I believe I escaped a horrible death that night."

There are myriad theories about what drove Nowak, a woman who'd floated near heaven and circled the stars, to plummet into the abyss of passion. But none explains precisely what triggered her bizarre behavior. I am beginning to think we may never know. Growing up, she was competitive, ambitious, a perfectionist. Not somebody who seemed destined to self-destruct. She excelled throughout school; she ranked high in student government; she went to church. And she dreamed about walking on the moon. Nowak was hyperfocused, not teenage-silly. My old friend Alison Ahmed remembers everybody else chatting and joking around while running laps during field-hockey practice. "Not Lisa," says Ahmed. She was out front and alone. "Lisa always had to be first." She was liked by her teachers, liked by the boys, and liked by the Naval Academy, which accepted her into its class of 1985. I was impressed.

And then she became an astronaut. The same girl I took piano lessons with; the pal who came to my sweet 16th slumber party, looking angelic at the breakfast table in her pink robe; the classmate who stood next to me for a photo on '60s dress-up day senior year, flashing a smile and a peace sign. In July 2006, our high-school class Web site posted big news about Nowak, saying she had the only good excuse for not showing up at our 25th reunion picnic: she was serving as a mission specialist on the shuttle Discovery. What a life, and so perfectly timed. Nowak was born in May 1963, one month before Russian cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova became the first woman in space. She graduated from high school in 1981, the year NASA's first shuttle, Columbia, took its maiden flight. And now, two and a half decades later, she was climbing aboard Discovery and rocketing into space. The Web site entry concluded, "Way to go Lisa!!"




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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:21 am

^^Why, was it different for you when your kid was shot in a Safeway parking lot?
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby 82_28 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:31 am

Wombaticus Rex wrote:^^Why, was it different for you when your kid was shot in a Safeway parking lot?


What do you think? Yeah, it was totally different from the time I had to do it. Spare me the condescension, wombat. You know exactly what the fuck I meant by what I just saw on the toooob. I told you what the fuck came to mind.

Oh, btw, not necessarily friends, more like acquaintances, but I know members of a family who were shall we say the first of the first to go in Columbine. I have a bit of experience.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:52 am

I have lots of black friends, too. I also found it pretty jaw-dropping that you're Simon Cowelling their grief from the peanut gallery. I know exactly what the fuck you meant, sure. That's my problem.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby Crow » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:02 am

8bitagent wrote:I remember reading when that light pole smashed through that taxi cab driver's car next to the Pentagon he had Icke's Children of the Matrix book in the passenger seat.


On Sept 11?

I never heard about this.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby Crow » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:04 am

Hey, we've all found ourselves listening to hours on end of Icke, Tsarion, etc.


I'm relieved to know I'm not the only one.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby anothershamus » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:06 am

Conspiracy theory? From here:http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jared-lee-loughner-suspected-gabrielle-giffords-shooter-school/story?id=12575278

Exclusive: Jared Loughner Radically Changed Before Alleged Shooting, Friend Says
Longtime Friend of Suspected Gunman: 'He Was a Good Person... I Don't Know What the Hell Happened to Him'


By LEE FERRAN, JASON RYAN, EMILY FRIEDMAN and RICHARD ESPOSITO
Jan. 9, 2011

A longtime friend of Jared Lee Loughner, the suspect in custody following the murder of six people in an apparent assassination attempt on Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, said there was a mysterious, significant change in him a year before the shooting.


"He was a good person that just somehow changed so much," former classmate and friend Tong Shan told ABC News in an exclusive interview. "I don't know what the hell happened to him."

When she heard news reports of Loughner's arrest in connection with the deadly attack, she said, "I was shocked, but I believed it was him."

According to court documents released today, authorities discovered a safe in Loughner's home with a thank you letter from Giffords for attending a Congress on Your Corner event in 2007 -- the same kind of event Loughner allegedly assaulted Saturday. Another envelope said "I planned ahead," "My assassination" and "Giffords" and bore what appears to be Loughner's signature, the documents said.

Shan said she became friends with Loughner the day the two graduated from high school and also had class together at Pima Community College in 2007. She said the two would hang out often after class but lost touch after the semester ended until they reconnected in the summer of 2010 when, Shan said, Loughner acted radically different.

"I don't know might have caused him to change, but from the way he was talking to me [online]... you can see. It was just questions and questions and random, weird questions that didn't go together," she said. "He wanted to know everything... He would just trip out.

"I don't know why it didn't jump out at me, like, 'Hey, something's wrong."

Shan last spoke to Loughner in October, after he was suspended and dropped out of school and before he purchased a semi-automatic handgun from a gunshop in Tucson. But she said while Loughner was "anti-government," he was never violent and never mentioned plans to buy a gun.

When he was suspended from Pima Community College, the school sent a letter to Loughner's parents stating that if Loughner wished to return to the school, he would have to "obtain a mental health clearance indicating, in the opinion of a mental health professional, his presence at the College does not present a danger to himself or others," the school said in a statement.

The school said Loughner had as many as five run-ins with campus police for "classroom and library disruptions," and was suspended after college police discovered a YouTube video apparently created by Loughner in which he claimed the college is "illegal." Rather than return to school, Loughner dropped out, the statement said.

One Pima Community College student, who had a poetry class with Loughner later in his college career, said he would often act "wildly inappropriate."

"One day [Loughner] started making comments about terrorism and laughing about killing the baby," classmate Don Coorough told ABC News, referring to a discussion about abortions. "The rest of us were looking at him in shock ... I thought this young man was troubled."

Another classmate, Lydian Ali, recalled the incident as well.

"A girl had written a poem about an abortion. It was very emotional and she was teary eyed and he said something about strapping a bomb to the fetus and making a baby bomber," Ali said.

Prima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, who only identified the shooter as a 22-year-old white male, said the evidence online and information they've received from two schools that Loughner attended led him to believe the gunman was "unstable."

"There's reason to believe that this individual may have a mental issue," Dupnik told reporters today. "I'm not a psychiatrist so I have no reason to believe the person was insane. Was he unstable? I would agree with that."


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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby 82_28 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:30 am

Wombaticus Rex wrote:I have lots of black friends, too. I also found it pretty jaw-dropping that you're Simon Cowelling their grief from the peanut gallery. I know exactly what the fuck you meant, sure. That's my problem.


What? Simon Cowelling? OK how about this?

It wasn't an interview on the street, near a hospital, coming and going from all of the awful activity they must be having to experience. It was like a sit down, totally had their crap together interview. I really resent your inability to willfully not take the word "eerie" for what it was. Jesus christ. I wrote:

Can anybody explain how the parents of the young girl had the capacity to get interviewed on NBC's "special" tonight as though she had died 10 years ago and were simply reminiscing? It was as though they didn't care or had been expecting something like this all along. It was eerie.

Also, how about this NASA weirdness from a few years ago?


Was that a statement of certitude or just you leaping all over me and being a too-cool-for-school dick as you have always been known to do around here from time to time? Yeah, you being a dick is what it was. I said it was eerie. E to the E to the R to I to the E. Not, "Oh my! Check it. Her parents are totally covering for the fact they're NASA MC conspirators who just so happened to have their kid on 9/11/01." Seriously, mean person. Yeah dude, I lived in a smallish town where a mass murder happened and yeah dude, I know Craig Scott and was in a wedding with him. Guess what, that has nothing to do with this "cracker" having "black friends" mister obsessed on constantly pointing out what a rich "cracker" he is yet fully down with speculation until he has to flaunt his condescending attempts at being the poor man's Pinchbeck come 2013. I merely brought up what I saw on TV tonight. The media circus must be intense. Nothing seemed natural about the interview. That's what got me. I said it was "EERIE" bro. Eerie. Sue me.

Otherwise, wombat, you're one of the last people on here I thought I would ever get pissed at. But for the time being, don't be a dick. I hope we can get along in the future.

Hey, guess what? You wanna know what else is eerie? This whole thing. The whole damn thing is eerie.

(edited for profanity redaction and honing message as to "outrage")
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby barracuda » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:36 am

82_28, chillax with the profanity. It adds nothing to your point, or your outrage.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:52 am

There's one question I have that has gone unanswered in all of this: How did he get the money to buy a legal glock semi-auto with extra industrial size clips plus ammo.

There has been no mention of a job, and it sounds like he might have been too unstable to hold one.

If he paid for it with his allowance, I'm officially jealous. :eeyaa
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:54 am

ShinShinKid wrote:First and foremost, this really sucks, and my heart goes out to all the victims.


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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:08 am

82_28 wrote:Can anybody explain how the parents of the young girl had the capacity to get interviewed on NBC's "special" tonight as though she had died 10 years ago and were simply reminiscing? It was as though they didn't care or had been expecting something like this all along. It was eerie.

Also, how about this NASA weirdness from a few years ago?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak


Don't forget this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_Sp ... r_shooting
Happened just a couple days after the VT Tech massacre(part of the expected wave following a major event)


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8bitagent wrote:I remember reading when that light pole smashed through that taxi cab driver's car next to the Pentagon he had Icke's Children of the Matrix book in the passenger seat.


On Sept 11?

I never heard about this.


Yes.

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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby The Consul » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:30 am

Sepka wrote:It interests me that after eight pages, no-one has commented on his middle name being 'Lee'. Lee is one of the names that's traditionally over-represented among American mass and serial murderers, the other one being Wayne.

It's interesting (to me, at any rate) as well that the killings took place at a store called 'Safeway'.

Also, for what it's worth, the first newsflash I saw about it (and I think it may have been the first report on the web) was from KGUN Tucson.


...and Tucson derives from the Pima word shookson... .the wi:gita involves a hero murdered by public consent... she was shot in the safeway of the Tuscano shopping center. Tuscany was the home of Amerigo Vespucci, for whom the not so United States are named. Tuscany was also the ceneter of the first major civilization created by the Etruscans who's writing we know less about than the pol po vu.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:33 am

slomo wrote:Via Cryptogon comment:

Anatomy of an Assassination Attempt – Gabrielle Giffords
January 8, 2011


Just read it. I liked this part
Anyone with even a tangential knowledge of the government’s mind control programs such as MK ULTRA can readily and immediately see in these videos posted by the alleged shooter that they smack of programming, suspiciously worded phrasing, numbers, and direct mention of mind control and brainwashing.


I'd say no matter whose program it is, the idea of trigger words always seems plausible. The DC Beltway sniper case was overflowing with programming language, trigger words and all sorts of bizarre stuff.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:51 am

fwiw, just noticed on Goro's site that in his post about birds falling from the sky signaling the beginning of major events to come, he says
(from his jan 5th post)
We are quickly approaching the next such pentagrammic point - the first one of 2011 - coming up around January 8th.

While I'm not expecting the "Birthquake" there (or on April 29 for that matter), we should see an unmistakable "signal" that should continue the ongoing pattern/communication.


I always find this line of inquiry interesting, because it goes beyond the "gub'ment programming" trope, and more into the syncs and programming language of the universe.
The reading of events from an esoteric framework would seem mighty silly to most; but I find it interesting food for thought.
Again, it's why I recommend the Nic Cage film "Knowing" despite it not being the best movie. His wife opines on how 'anyone can look for minutia', but sometimes the patterns are mistakable.
From a Casolaro/Lombardi point of view, much can be found in events such as the recent Wheeler death. Sure, he may have simply lost his mind from a neighbor dispute and innocently ended up in a landfill...
but his work with Mitre and high level Pentagon cyber warfare stuff will raise an eyebrow for those in tune with those themes. The symbolism of the 9/11 child, final NASA shuttle astronaut mission commander wife theme, or the "two sun" event of the shooting all can be interpreted regardless if it's simply tea leaves. I think it goes without saying that no matter what key event, big or small that happens, one can read all kinds of 'interesting' symbolism. Some events, like 9/11, JFK or Diana seem overflowing with it...while with others it may be more sneaky(like the Yankee pitcher crash)
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