The 9/11 Anti - propaganda onslaught thread.

[Bruce Dazzling]

If you have any questions about this story, you are a bat-shit, paranoid, tin foil, dog-abusing baby hater, and will be reviled by everyone.

If you love your country, and or freedom, happiness, rainbows, rock and roll, puppy dogs, apple pie, and your grandma, you will never express doubts about any part of this story, to anyone.

Ever.

They should have put more names to faces, but all in all, it's a pretty good little 5 minute video.

[Bruce Dazzling]

11 93 77 175...all deeply resonating numbers Crowley obsessed about.

...one of them was, yes. Flight 418 would have been a lot more impressive. Seems like you've learned juuuust enough about Crowley to validate your pre-existing theory.

He even named his secret group A.:A.:93! American Airlines 93?

Nope, nope he did not. It is a more impressive factoid when you add the 93, though, I'll give you that. The silver star! Argentum Astrum. The Thelemic current was not included in the name. Getting American Airlines out of that is apophenia, but hey, apophenia is fun.

Again, 175? What's the occult logic on that, a single libri? There's dozens of those. I know gemetria is fast and loose, especially once it gets into gentile hands, but this stuff is Bible Code level.

I am such an asshole.

You're seriously going to tell me there's no significant placement either in Crowleyan reading or occult symbolism with 11, 77 or 93? Seriously, 93? A band I like called Current 93 based their name from an interest in his writings. And 175 is widely talked about in various Crowleyan scribe.
Again I ain't saying some OTO members or fans of Crowley were involved in 9/11. I talk about the syncrhonistic nature of a lot of these events

Flight 77. 77 foot Pentagon. Bockscar 77=Japanese atom bomb plane. 7/7 London. 77 victims of Oslo.

But that's the thing with interpretation...one can say things go either way. I myself don't agree that 9/11 was an "inside job" or the work of neocons.

FWIW, this happened yesterday, on the big anniversary...

[2012 Countdown]

I will probibly get attacked for this, but I strongly urge giving Alex Jones' Sunday, 9/11/11 (yesterday's) broadcast a listen. It is tailor made for this thread. Attack him as you will, but he is ON POINT the whole show so far.

[8bitagent]

You might remember the whistleblower Richard Grove from some years back. He currently hosts the Tragedy and Hope site http://tragedyandhope.com/

The latest Tragedy and Hope podcast is 911 Backdraft / Examining the Crimes 10 years later.

http://peacerevolution.podomatic.com/en ... 7_08-07_00

Its well worth a listen

Whoah! Blast from the past! I remember checking out all his interviews and stuff back in 2006. Never quite sure what I made of everything he said about his life before 9/11, but it sure was interesting

Well, I spend time there as it is supposed to be a financial forum. Somehow though the right wing OT comments and topics stay, while the liberal or counter (any counter) view is under the letter of the law.
So anyway, its official. 3 week BAN. This is maybe the 3-4th time. I couldn't help myself. Usually I ignore or try subtile qualified verbiage, but sometimes I say the truth and we get banned. They rule with an iron fist but its one of the few boards that are active and focus in what I am interested in. Really no need to go there much more, but when dittoheads spout their shit, I gotta speak up.

Of course your going to 'get along' with righties if you slam Obama. Of course! Tell them Perry/Romney/Etc. is the same and these same people will not be so agreeable.

777 Dow and the lottery ticket 911 on 9/11 (?) seem like directed man made things. Like surviving passports. Tools for propaganda.

There was a time when I was deep into 9/11 and related research...like literally I was talking to people about flying around the country to San Diego, Florida, Oklahoma and Virginia to shoot a documentary and try and find various subjects to interview. It lead me to researchers that were rather hidden, but nonetheless were a human wikipedia on the whole terror funding backchannel/hawala charity/drug/bosnia/informant/aspect of 9-11. While most the 9/11 stuff I was seeing at the time(2006) was solely focused it felt like on the day itself, I was looking into the 1988-sept 10th 2001 aspect. Anyways, I came across an extraordinary researcher from the UK named "Blackjack". A teacher I believe, who literally had been researching jihadist groups and the deep state since 1999ish. This guy was like a court transcript human wikipedia repository on all this stuff. But we had met on a place called "Liberty Forum", which I knew should have been a red flag...liberty usually=right wing buffoonery. But this wasnt simply Alex Jones/Ron Paul/early Tea Party stuff...there came a time when the entire forum seemed like crypto Nazi Jew this/Jew that. Needless to say Blackjack and I got banned for calling everyone a bunch of bigots and I never ran into him since. Just as well, I realized 9/11 and all this stuff is a black hole. It may make good copy for lengthy obscure articles(like some of the amazing truther articles written in 2002/2003)
or for New York area sociogram art exhibits....but in terms of quality of life it's not exactly going to get you a job or a girlfriend.

I realized though, that as much as I feel irked by a lot of the smarmy and smug college liberal types, there's just no tolerating the Christian fundie right wingers for me.

Again, maybe it's just the mind finding patterns....but I notice "77" pops up a lot. Even the 7/7 london attack in retrospect gives me pause number wise. Obama was elected president 77 days after his election win night. Look how WW1 ended on 11th hour/11th day/11th month. 33 also seems to pop up a lot. But in the words of the Pontypool DJ, "what does it all mean"?

[Simulist]

Almost nobody really cares what the truth is; most just want an illusion that works for them.

[8bitagent]

^^^^Holy crap, it's not just me and a few others.

Those comments are great! "Time" really, really did "cease" for a bunch of others too. Amazing phenomenon 9/11 was. It's as though they completely ceased the ability to make progress (as progressives), the progress "they" are making is now outside of our abilities to comprehend, let alone accept, thus they have "ceased" our time and what we wanted to see happen as it was married to pop-culture as it was anyhow. Pop culture has now become the fear industry. They stopped us all in our tracks.

This is one of the phenomenons and aspects of sept 11th I began to get interested in. 9/11 research I realized was a black hole, but the psychological and cultural impact is interesting.

Maybe this is why since 2002 American culture is frozen stuck in a 1980's obsessed period with movies/music/entertainment/fashion elements? Because above the surface of CIA Crack contra wars and other stuff, people think of the 1980's as innocence: new wave bands, brightly colored outfits, and saturday morning cartoons...totally radical to the max man!

[Avalon]

Yes. Nobody in the school would have been essential to the action, or needed to know exactly what would happen. The only necessity (as the Bush-Card interaction suggests) would be to sit tight while the something happened.

What's always bothered me is the Secret Service stand-down. The president's in a publicly known place, just a few miles from an airport, at a time when we now know that America is under attack by those using planes.

[8bitagent]

Almost nobody really cares what the truth is; most just want an illusion that works for them.

Sounds about right to me. Makes me want to draw a comic strip where a bunch of neadrathals or modern day people are staring at a blurry object in the sky saying "its a giant elephant", "no! Its God!", "no! It's *insert whatever here*"

I know people who used to roll their eyes at me figuratively, but now they're spamming my facebook wall with "dude! Check out this video on a missile hitting the pentagon!" and I politely tell them Ive long moved past that one.

[Nordic]

Apparently study of L.L./The Book of the law is forbidden. So in that spirit here's Ch 3 verse 11:

This shall be your only proof. I forbid argument. Conquer! That is enough. I will make easy to you the abstruction from the ill-ordered house in the Victorious City. Thou shalt thyself convey it with worship, o prophet, though thou likest it not. Thou shalt have danger & trouble. Ra-Hoor-Khu is with thee. Worship me with fire & blood; worship me with swords & with spears. Let the woman be girt with a sword before me: let blood flow to my name. Trample down the Heathen; be upon them, o warrior, I will give you of their flesh to eat!

Yum.


Anyway where was I - thats right retrocausality.

9/11 is one of those things around which reality seems to curve. (Note I said seems. Reality doesn't fuck about 9/11, only some humans do really.) I don't quite get how, but there's this thing going on with it. Like if people close their eyes and wish hard enough the official story will become real, not just wrt to the details of the day, but mythologically or myth alogically. That event has imprinted itself so hard on western culture that its fucked with the separation between time going forward and time going backward.

Brilliant comments, Hillhoist!

This goes nicely with Simulist's quote where he said people just want a myth that fits what they want to believe. Ain't that the truth.

I have a question about this:

quote]This shall be your only proof. I forbid argument. Conquer! That is enough. I will make easy to you the abstruction from the ill-ordered house in the Victorious City. Thou shalt thyself convey it with worship, o prophet, though thou likest it not. Thou shalt have danger & trouble. Ra-Hoor-Khu is with thee. Worship me with fire & blood; worship me with swords & with spears. Let the woman be girt with a sword before me: let blood flow to my name. Trample down the Heathen; be upon them, o warrior, I will give you of their flesh to eat!

What exactly is that from? I'm afraid to look it up. Call me supserstitious, but occult stuff really gives me pause, because I've known people who have dabbled in it and then had various nasty spiritual entities follow them around. Having been haunted (literally) by a few things in my life, I'm quite averse to inviting anything in. So is this Crowley you're quoting?

I'm asking because I am convinced, on some deep almost subconscious level, that the PTB behind 911 and all our current wars are adherents of something like this, and gain a hell of a lot of their power through a constant conveyor-belt like machine of death and blood.


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[Wombaticus Rex]

"9. Lurk! Withdraw! Upon them! this is the Law of the Battle of Conquest: thus shall my worship be about my secret house."

[Simulist]

This shall be your only proof. I forbid argument. Conquer! That is enough. I will make easy to you the abstruction from the ill-ordered house in the Victorious City. Thou shalt thyself convey it with worship, o prophet, though thou likest it not. Thou shalt have danger & trouble. Ra-Hoor-Khu is with thee. Worship me with fire & blood; worship me with swords & with spears. Let the woman be girt with a sword before me: let blood flow to my name. Trample down the Heathen; be upon them, o warrior, I will give you of their flesh to eat!

What exactly is that from? I'm afraid to look it up. Call me supserstitious, but occult stuff really gives me pause, because I've known people who have dabbled in it and then had various nasty spiritual entities follow them around. Having been haunted (literally) by a few things in my life, I'm quite averse to inviting anything in. So is this Crowley you're quoting?

I'm asking because I am convinced, on some deep almost subconscious level, that the PTB behind 911 and all our current wars are adherents of something like this, and gain a hell of a lot of their power through a constant conveyor-belt like machine of death and blood.

It's possible, I suppose; certainly I used to be convinced of that — but now I'm not so sure anymore.

Lately, it's started to seem to me that what these "show-runners" of our age are really adherents of is actually a form of traditional monotheism — which I sincerely find far, far more insidious and also frightening than anything Aleister Crowley might have come up with.

[Nordic]

It's possible, I suppose; certainly I used to be convinced of that — but now I'm not so sure anymore.

Lately, it's started to seem to me that what these "show-runners" of our age are really adherents of is actually a form of traditional monotheism — which I sincerely find far, far more insidious and also frightening than anything Aleister Crowley might have come up with.

I'm not saying it's exactly that, but something like that. The worship of a "God" who demands these constant live human sacrifices. I have no idea who it might actually be. Their idea of "Satan"? I don't know, I like to stay away from these things. But I've always had a powerful feeling that something like this is behind a great many of the atrocities we witness now, 9/11 being a classic example.

[Simulist]

Well, in traditional Roman Catholicism, you've got a "god" who demands the perpetual re-presentation to him of the bloody torture and death of his own son as the eternal sacrifice to slake his thirst for the blood of all of us. (I mean, it's not like he could just forgive, and then let bygones be bygones, ya know… Only humans appear able to perform miracles like that!) And that sounds pretty darn satanic to me, even if the adversary's name is "Jehovah."

History suggests to me that it's a short trek from teaching about a "god" (in the religious realm) who demands bloody atonement, to finding humans (in the political sphere) who actually follow said example.

Like "parent," like children?

[eyeno]

webster tarpley on guns and butter podcast. He says he has identified 46 different drills associated with 911. He says about 22 of them were actively running on 911 and the rest were happening in the months prior.

http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/73129

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also found this podcast with tarpley using ixquick search engine. First hour is with a pilot from the pilots for truth organization. second hour is tarpley

http://mp3.ruleoflawradio.com/INN/64k/I ... 06_64k.mp3

(be warned, i've heard of webster tarpley but i haven't read his books, so if he is a bad actor i am unaware of it)

[8bitagent]

I agree that mentioning "black lodges" and "esoterica" in the same breath as the events of 9/11 is a bit kooky. I woulda completely tuned someone out a few years ago for even mentioning it...

But hey, if the shoe fits...or in this case, a left handed glove. 9/11 can be the work of Cheney and the Mossad to some, the work of Muslims in a cave to others, to me it could be all of those but I see the clear
unmistakable work of devotees of the black lodge...perhaps a virulent other current that swarms and works through diverging layers of global intelligence networks and criminal networks alike.