Iamwhomiam wrote:I've only reached page 4 of this thread, but I do need to address this:
Burnt Hill wrote:
And just to reinforce my point, if the roads were completely safe for bicycles, we wouldn't need to incorporate bike lanes.
Our NY State laws require the roads to be shared, just as the do in California, Burnt Hill, and the roads, except for where the wrong type of drainage grating has been installed, are perfectly safe for bicycles. It's the uneducated automobile driver that's the danger to bicyclists.
Some older city streets are so narrow they had to be into one-way traffic streets and cannot accommodate a "Bike Lane." On a few streets in Albany bike lanes, only marked by a random bicycle image painted on the roadway and not a solid white dividing line, begin a full 3 feet beyond the area allowed for vehicle roadside parking. The idea is that a cyclist will not be nailed by some opening their car door. This puts a rider squarely into the center of the traffic lane.
Bicyclists have no obligation to yield to the motorized traffic behind them, but a wise rider will.
Next time, BH, ask a cop, or a judge and you should get a correct answer.
Iamwhomiam please do finish reading the entire thread, okay? You will find-
I have never argued against "Share the Road", in fact thoroughly I support it both as a rule of law and in reality, if anything I am overly courteous to bikers, both pedaled and motorized.
I have also expressed that both bikes and cars must follow the rules of the road.
My area has a high rate of bikers, and no bike lanes, its a matter of finances, not lack of concern.
And I have spoken with my county road supervisor, and now my town supervisor, (is that good enough for you?) you will find a post about it that pretty clearly state
my and our County and Town rules for road building and maintenance, and they do not specifically consider bikes when they decide how to spend their limited finances.
And quite honestly your complaint to me actually considers the need for bike lanes. Why is that?
Allow me to also state that I have an abundance of friends who bike, primarily motorcycles, then mountain bikes and finally touring bikes, oh and I also have a close friend who races BMX, I nearly forgot about her.
My brother is a distance biker, and my dog bit him one day, he had his feet strapped to the pedals and couldnt stop to talk to the dog, who was going after the movement. I dont know anyone who has been bit by a dog while in a car, but thats a small and different point, simply about safety. And yes I blame myself for the dogs behavior.
And I just remembered we used to race off road on our minibikes, I had a little Honda 75cc, till my uncle crashed it, destroying the bike and breaking his arm, I just remembered that! Old age is real- and off topic!
But what I was getting at is that all the bikers I know have real concerns for their safety whenever on the streets, not because they dont have the right to be there, but because it can be hazardous.
As I said earlier when a car and bike collide, regardless of fault, the car is going to win (roads arent all that safe for cars either). So no kidding cars are a danger to bikes, again you confirm my point.
Tell the gentleman who was recently killed here, no, tell his family how safe the roads are for bikes.
Certainly bad drivers make it unsafe, right? and sometimes bad bikers, right? The key is safety, or the lack of it.
So I will restate, if the roads were completely safe for bikes, we wouldnt need bike lanes, is that not common sense?
Thats not infringing on bikers rights at all, In fact its granting a right they richly deserve. I
want bike lanes everywhere.
And I am not pro-car, its a very expensive neccessity for my family. We have one that is great on gas, a five speed that is small and fun to drive, and a 4-wheel drive SUV, as we have a large family and long snowy, icy winters.
And I hate to repeat myself again, but if the roads are perfectly safe for bikers, than why are they not allowed on the interstates? And would you send your child out biking on a busy road without bike lanes?
As to this-
Next time, BH, ask a cop, or a judge and you should get a correct answer.
Guess what, my closest neighbor is the Town Judge, he was the one who told me to talk to the Road Supervisor!
And cops, yea, while I have a few in the extended family, as this forum often points out, they are not always the best source of information.
barracuda wrote:This is the sentiment which pretty much echoes the feelings of police officers everywhere: if you are riding a bike, you probably either can't afford a car, or have had your license revoked, and are fair game to be fucked with
Enough of a response?