Aurora CO Theater Massacre

[8bitagent]

"As I was sitting down to get my seat, I noticed that a person came up to the front row, the front right, sat down, and as credits were going, it looked like he got a phone call. He went out toward the emergency exit doorway, which I thought was unusual to take a phone call. And it seemed like he probably pried it open, or probably did not let it latch all the way. As soon as the movie started, somebody came in, all black, gas mask, armor, and threw a gas can into the audience, and it went off, and then there were gunshots that took place."

Well some sources say Holmes bought a ticket, then propped the door open somehow. Given it sold out, isn't it likely he would have got it on fandango or movie.com? Which means thered be evidence of his ticket. But if THIS guys account is true...who uses the exit to go take a phone call in private? As we all saw in that Seinfeld episode with George at the movie theater, aint no way back inside from the exit. Most people would go into the lobby or tell their friend they'll call when the feature is over. Right?

Did Holmes have a cellphone, and what calls were made? I dont often believe these folks like the VT killer or Loughner work with anyone(least that they are aware of)
but who knows.

[peartreed]

8bitagent: I doubt that the plot of the premiere movie had much relevance to Holmes’ motivation, except perhaps his claim to be “The Joker” and Heath Ledger’s earlier martyrdom in that role. I think he just knew it would be another popular premiere and media event. The Joker identity seems to have simply suited his wannabe image and hoped-for notoriety and infamy as the mass-murderer.

I haven’t seen the movie and, since it is just released, I don’t think its characters and storyline would have factored in to the formulation of the massacre plan that apparently was underway weeks earlier with the shooter’s acquisition of the arms, ammunition and armor. Even if Holmes had a plot preview, the protagonist role of Batman/Bane was probably less important to him than his identification with the antagonist or Bad Guy – the architect of anarchy and mayhem and murder.

Unless a much deeper covert conspiracy is uncovered in the ongoing investigation I’d assess the tragic event as the outcome of another sick sociopath’s seeking self-actualization and simultaneous self-destruction, going out in a blaze of gory “glory”.

[Jeff]

Dumb Store Wonders If ‘Aurora’ Is Trending Due to Kim Kardashian Dress It Sells

[8bitagent]

8bitagent: I doubt that the plot of the premiere movie had much relevance to Holmes’ motivation, except perhaps his claim to be “The Joker” and Heath Ledger’s earlier martyrdom in that role. I think he just knew it would be another popular premiere and media event. The Joker identity seems to have simply suited his wannabe image and hoped-for notoriety and infamy as the mass-murderer.

I haven’t seen the movie and, since it is just released, I don’t think its characters and storyline would have factored in to the formulation of the massacre plan that apparently was underway weeks earlier with the shooter’s acquisition of the arms, ammunition and armor. Even if Holmes had a plot preview, the protagonist role of Batman/Bane was probably less important to him than his identification with the antagonist or Bad Guy – the architect of anarchy and mayhem and murder.

Unless a much deeper covert conspiracy is uncovered in the ongoing investigation I’d assess the tragic event as the outcome of another sick sociopath’s seeking self-actualization and simultaneous self-destruction, going out in a blaze of gory “glory”.

Yeah I wasnt saying he was inspired by the film, but that the film itself kind of taps into a general zeitgeist feeling. In the film Bane pretty much serves as the same capacity as The Joker, to shock people with mass violence. Yet in the film Occupy types are the terrorists, and the powerful and authority are the saviors. I look at this event in more synchromystic terms than literal Alex Jones CIA spook conspiracy-isms.

[Nordic]

Is this for real?

JUDGE SEALS 'BATMAN' SHOOTING CASE

Prosecutors fear public scrutiny could 'jeopardize the ongoing investigation'

An Arapahoe County Court judge has granted a request to seal the case against James Holmes, the 24-year-old shooter who killed 12 and wounded 50 during a screening last night of "The Dark Knight Rises."

The motion, filed in Arapahoe County court, asks for the records in the case to be sealed, including search warrants, affidavits, orders and the "case file."

The District Attorney's affidavit says prosecutors are investigating first-degree murder charges against Holmes, but that disclosure of the court records would be "contrary to public interest" and "could jeopardize the ongoing investigation."

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/07/20 ... er-sealed/

[Nordic]

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21126 ... -at-parker

Real life shooting imitates training exercise at Parker medical school

The Denver Post



The tragedy that played out in an Aurora movie theater Friday was ironically paralleled as a classroom learning experience in a medical school in Parker the same day.

Rocky Vista University College of Osteopathic Medicine is in the middle of holding specialized classes in disaster life support for 150 second-year medical students. Along with response to natural disasters like hurricanes and floods and terrorist attacks, one of the scenarios being used to train the students is how to respond if a shooter fires at people in a movie theater and also uses a bomb in the attack.

"The irony is amazing, just amazing," said Rocky Vista Dean Dr. Bruce Dubin.

He said emergency specialist physicians from Parkland Hospital in Dallas as well as from several other emergency programs around the country are teaching the Advanced Disaster Life Support Training. Rocky Vista is the only medical school in the nation to make that training a part of the curriculum.

"They are trained to respond in every type of disaster," Dubin said.

The shootings in Aurora were incorporated into the teaching Friday, Dubin said.

"It made these medical students very aware that these kinds of things can happen anywhere," he said. "The events of this tragedy have helped to drive that home."

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Dumb Store Wonders If ‘Aurora’ Is Trending Due to Kim Kardashian Dress It Sells

Reminds me of this:

[jlaw172364]

@No_Baseline

The story of how I came to read the Invisibles reads like something out of the Invisibles. But that's a tale for another time.

*** SPOILERS ***

Anyway, with regard to your question about the Invisibles behavior questioning their motives, to begin with, Jack Frost doesn't even want to join, he runs off after King Mob rescues him. It doesn't matter that he's liberated from agents of the Outer Church who want to neuter his brain, or that the Invisibles are "cool" rebels with resources to command, he doesn't want to join or follow them, and has to be coerced by being minded by them while he panhandles, and then cared for and shepherded by Tom. Later on in the series, he repeatedly expresses disapproval and irreverence towards the objectives of the Invisibles. He gives Miles De La Court his aura back, even though Miles is one of the main antagonists. Boy eventually leaves the group to do her own thing. King Mob eventually renounces violence and uses capitalism to subvert the status quo by changing the popular culture. Ragged Robin often expresses distaste for King Mob's and Boy's violent methods. There are many autonomus Invisibles cells, and none of them know exactly what the others are up to. The Invisibles themselves often act as if they don't know their own motivations behind their own actions. The agents of the Outer Church think they know what they're doing, but ultimately fail to understand that they and the Invisibles are part of a large mechanism.

It would be interesting to see a counter-Invisibles written, where the Outer Church is portrayed more sympathetically, and the Invisibles are demonized, and then the switcheroo is pulled at the end, but this is already a common trope: the rebel acting as a secret agent of order by testing order's defenses and getting order to improve them: think white and gray-hat hackers.

If some hack had directed this Batman series, and not Nolan, I wouldn't even bother, but I saw Memento, and I remember Nolan's ability, and I definitely picked up on a lot of subtext in the films, especially The Dark Knight. It's interesting how political hacks on both the alleged left and supposed right were quick to spin the film as a political allegory sympathetic to their views.

None of them seemed to notice the discrepancies in the Joker's behaviors. For an agent of chaos, he seemed to be the most purposeful, driven, detail-oriented character in the entire film, as if he were light-years ahead of everyone else. Of course, everyone else was reacting to what he did, but as I and others have stated, he needed to have helmed an entire intelligence network to pull off the feats he did in the film, and that means knowing how to run one undetected.

[elfismiles]

First Video of James Holmes
http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/201 ... olmes.html

[MinM]

First Video of James Holmes
http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/201 ... olmes.html

An interesting take on that ABC News clip...

Cannonfire: The strangest thing you'll read all day about the Batman killer (Updated)

[jlaw172364]

The reoccuring theme of every "lone nut" attack is: the individual is dangerous, especially in a "free" society. Why, just look at all the damage one individual can do! Pay no attention to multitudes killed by the state every day. The state is here to protect you. The state will clean up the mess made by the dangerous one individual. The one dangerous individual is more dangerous than the state because his violence cannot be predicted, whereas the state only kills as a matter of law or provocation. And finally, what can the state do to further limit the possibility and scope of lone nut attacks? That measures taken to curtail the power of the lone nut scale up to the group level, or legitimate or justified individual action are besides the point.

[Luther Blissett]

It sounds as though his mentor is definitely trying to disavow himself of any possible connection, pedagogical, mental, or otherwise.

[justdrew]

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/consciousness-temporal/temporal-illusions.html

looks like a good summary of what was meant by the term

[Iamwhomiam]

Norton, that's odd.

Jeff, Ahab: "Only in America"

[MacCruiskeen]

The reoccuring theme of every "lone nut" attack is: the individual is dangerous, especially in a "free" society. Why, just look at all the damage one individual can do! Pay no attention to multitudes killed by the state every day. The state is here to protect you. The state will clean up the mess made by the dangerous one individual. The one dangerous individual is more dangerous than the state because his violence cannot be predicted, whereas the state only kills as a matter of law or provocation. And finally, what can the state do to further limit the possibility and scope of lone nut attacks? That measures taken to curtail the power of the lone nut scale up to the group level, or legitimate or justified individual action are besides the point.

Not just that. The really essential recurring theme is: This comes from nowhere. Nobody's to blame. Theres no understanding it, and therefore there's no stopping it, except by superior force of arms.

Bad Genes, innit. In other words: PURE EVIL.

A first-time experience: I remember, shortly after 9/11, hearing the words "the bad guys" spoken without irony (in fact very solemnly) by an actual adult. Seriously, I'm not kidding you: a grown man, a grey-haired man, actually said this. He was either a military or a government spokesman (the distinction was becoming blurred by then). It made me laugh out loud. But nobody else was laughing.

Embarrassing, that. Not to say disconcerting.