How to Overthrow the Illuminati

[American Dream]

It's too highly articulated and solidly implemented to be a chance or random occurance, or 'just a system working as it should'

If you're suggesting that the premise that all of Society has been designed and controlled by one centralized, ancient, monolithic (and I guess highly intelligent?) conspiracy should just be assumed a priori, well what is your best evidence to justify such a claim? If I'm misunderstanding you, then what is your claim and what is your best evidence for it?

Take a look at the world outside your own, AD. Take a look at what's being done in your name, by your power structure. The symptoms are multitudinous and many (if not all) are covered elsewhere on thousands of threads on this site. Insistance of non-existance does not always equal reality. I reserve the right to see things differently from you and don't want to get into another circular discussion, full of differing and colliding perspectives that are never going to meet amicably. When I see what I consider to be system-generated memes such as the OP posted, I will continue to comment on their veracity from my perspective. I'm not here to be educated by current thinking. Enjoy your victory.

I see evidence of a system that is partially engineered by those empowered by it, partially sort of spinning on its own mechanical imperatives. I see no strong evidence for a monolithic, ancient, mystical conspiracy of all-knowing masters of the universe types. If the people with the most power really were so all powerful and omniscient, I doubt we would be facing the sorts of global crises- ecological, nuclear, climactic- that really do seem to threaten the existence of all life on Earth.

What if nobody's fully in charge here? What if we ourselves do have agency?

[American Dream]

It's too highly articulated and solidly implemented to be a chance or random occurance, or 'just a system working as it should'

If you're suggesting that the premise that all of Society has been designed and controlled by one centralized, ancient, monolithic (and I guess highly intelligent?) conspiracy should just be assumed a priori, well what is your best evidence to justify such a claim? If I'm misunderstanding you, then what is your claim and what is your best evidence for it?

The language of "claim and evidence" itself is very adversarial and follows on from 'resting your case'.
If you are demanding evidence, it is up to you to state what constitutes evidence..

What would constitute evidence to you?

I proffered research which indicates that 4 companies control 147 companies at the heart of the whole global financial system; one of (and arguably the most powerful) has direct Rothschild and Bildeberg connections.

I put forward dunwalke.com which was written from a Wall Street investment banker managing director.

I look forward to your rebuttal

What you proferred is indeed evidence of a sort but by no means is it proof that "Society has been designed and controlled by one centralized, ancient, monolithic (and I guess highly intelligent?) conspiracy".

[Searcher08]

It's too highly articulated and solidly implemented to be a chance or random occurance, or 'just a system working as it should'

If you're suggesting that the premise that all of Society has been designed and controlled by one centralized, ancient, monolithic (and I guess highly intelligent?) conspiracy should just be assumed a priori, well what is your best evidence to justify such a claim? If I'm misunderstanding you, then what is your claim and what is your best evidence for it?

The language of "claim and evidence" itself is very adversarial and follows on from 'resting your case'.
If you are demanding evidence, it is up to you to state what constitutes evidence..

What would constitute evidence to you?

I proffered research which indicates that 4 companies control 147 companies at the heart of the whole global financial system; one of (and arguably the most powerful) has direct Rothschild and Bildeberg connections.

I put forward dunwalke.com which was written from a Wall Street investment banker managing director.

I look forward to your rebuttal

What you proferred is indeed evidence of a sort but by no means is it proof that "Society has been designed and controlled by one centralized, ancient, monolithic (and I guess highly intelligent?) conspiracy".

You didnt answer my question - what constitutes evidence to you?
Saying it is 'evidence of a sort' doesnt leave me any clearer - 147 company information is from the Swiss Federal Institute and is peer-reviewed and published on arxiv

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/110 ... 5728v2.pdf

Extremely powerful elites capable of creating enormous change and yielding great power globally can still exist without
"Society has been designed and controlled by one centralized, ancient, monolithic (and I guess highly intelligent?) conspiracy"

The evidence is that Skull and Bones is certainly one; the Rothschild another - both of whom have deep esoteric connections. You have seen the Rothschild designed and Israeli Supreme Court building? Pyramids with All seeing eyes FTW.

[seemslikeadream]

[Wombaticus Rex]

Just for the sake of synthesis, of course:

It needs to be mentioned that every upstart occult conspiracy sets their foundation quite solidly in the pre-existing symbols and language of power. Thus does a Bavarian Illuminati assume the cloak of True Masonry, after all.

For instance, I don't think that a delusional cokehead billionaire in Las Vegas building a gigantic pyramid to express his personal power, status and ambition really constitutes proof that his lot in life was the result of a conspiracy harking back to the Nile Empire. The same would apply to an IMAX theatre. Occult symbol par excellence it may be, but it's also one of a finite number of platonic solids and architects do like variety.

Consider the fate of a young adept getting his fingers (and more!) burned by the Simon/Levandra Necronomicon -- a wholly fictional extrusion of a wholly fictional mythos -- yet it still creates real world effects. Is their fate a matter of actual conspiracy, or merely concept assuming form?

For instance, to mangle the metaphors and cross the signals still further: witness the transformation of Samantha Power. Does it matter what her "beliefs" were once she steps in to the role of Henry Kissinger? Form follows function, the design wonks intone, but the opposite appears to be equally true.

I don't present any of this as a means of "debunking" anything -- merely a Fuller explanation, and to my feeble mind, an important point.

[American Dream]

It's too highly articulated and solidly implemented to be a chance or random occurance, or 'just a system working as it should'

If you're suggesting that the premise that all of Society has been designed and controlled by one centralized, ancient, monolithic (and I guess highly intelligent?) conspiracy should just be assumed a priori, well what is your best evidence to justify such a claim? If I'm misunderstanding you, then what is your claim and what is your best evidence for it?

The language of "claim and evidence" itself is very adversarial and follows on from 'resting your case'.
If you are demanding evidence, it is up to you to state what constitutes evidence..

What would constitute evidence to you?

I proffered research which indicates that 4 companies control 147 companies at the heart of the whole global financial system; one of (and arguably the most powerful) has direct Rothschild and Bildeberg connections.

I put forward dunwalke.com which was written from a Wall Street investment banker managing director.

I look forward to your rebuttal

What you proferred is indeed evidence of a sort but by no means is it proof that "Society has been designed and controlled by one centralized, ancient, monolithic (and I guess highly intelligent?) conspiracy".

You didnt answer my question - what constitutes evidence to you?
Saying it is 'evidence of a sort' doesnt leave me any clearer - 147 company information is from the Swiss Federal Institute and is peer-reviewed and published on arxiv

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/110 ... 5728v2.pdf

Extremely powerful elites capable of creating enormous change and yielding great power globally can still exist without
"Society has been designed and controlled by one centralized, ancient, monolithic (and I guess highly intelligent?) conspiracy"

The evidence is that Skull and Bones is certainly one; the Rothschild another - both of whom have deep esoteric connections. You have seen the Rothschild designed and Israeli Supreme Court building? Pyramids with All seeing eyes FTW.

I think verifiable empirical data constitutes evidence to me. The devil is in the details however as even though I can support the contention regarding the existence of "Extremely powerful elites capable of creating enormous change and yielding great power globally", I really don't support the idea that "Society has been designed and controlled by one centralized, ancient, monolithic (and I guess highly intelligent?) conspiracy".

My problem with your interpretation of the data is too much emphasis on trees, not enough on forest.

I question the validity of the "Rothschild Zionism" theory but do think Skull and Bones includes powerful people and has an occult aspect- none of this proves the validity of "Illuminati Theory" as a whole- as Wombaticus accurately pointed out.

[tapitsbo]

doesn't christianity count as evidence of a conspiracy stretching back to Egypt as much as Masonry does?

[American Dream]

doesn't christianity count as evidence of a conspiracy stretching back to Egypt as much as Masonry does?

In a certain sense,sure, but this does not equal: "Society has been designed and controlled by one centralized, ancient, monolithic (and I guess highly intelligent?) conspiracy".

[OP ED]

OP ED is forced to agree with American Dream.

[these words in this order are rarely found here]

There is no ancient monolithic conspiracy. the truth of this is easy math for OP ED.

psychopathic people can rarely agree with themselves for more than fifteen minutes, much less coordinate a highly complex system of world building with thousands of other psychopaths over many thousands of years. its just not even plausible.

and don't even start with your intergalactic or interdimensional shapeshifting reptilian alien demon thingies because that's just not even worth considering for several other reasons of simple math which could be readily understood by most toddlers.

OP ED's opinion is that believing in this sort of superpowered evil is an easy way to forget that YOU ARE AS MUCH RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING THE FUTURE AS ANY OTHER HUMAN. because it is nice and cozy to forget.

[American Dream]

The popularity of conspiracy theories is explained by people’s desire to believe that there is some group of folks who know what they’re doing.

-Damon Knight


Picture is Jacob Rothschild, supposed head of the Illuminati

[tapitsbo]

The management techniques handed down in the administration of the "empire that never ended" seem to indicate something centralized, organized, and intelligent. Maybe not monolithic. Maybe not even a "black brotherhood" although belief in one is encouraged by all sorts of sources.

It seems pretty clear to me that figures like Icke are used as props to make any discussion of this seem absurd. Which is why the focus on him strikes me as weird, especially since there seem to be maybe only one or two posters on this board who maintain Icke-type beliefs.

I believe people with more power have more responsiblity. Sure we all play a part in the extinction of the human race, but some play more of a part than others.

Why is it that the left so often wants to hold "little people" to strict standards of accountability while people with authority are forgiven as being avatars of impersonal forces beyond human control?

It's almost enough to remind you of bullying tactics used by the right...

[American Dream]

Why is it that the left so often wants to hold "little people" to strict standards of accountability while people with authority are forgiven as being avatars of impersonal forces beyond human control?

It's almost enough to remind you of bullying tactics used by the right...

Does "the left" really do this? If so, who are some prominent figures and what do they do?

[tapitsbo]

Where I live I constantly meet anarchists who do exactly that with their rhetoric.

As for prominent figures, seems like that's already been discussed all over this board by those who are better qualified than myself.

What's more deserving of attention, figures like Icke, Jones, etc, etc

Or the issues they obscure?

[tapitsbo]

I've never met anyone in real life who was an "Ickean".

I HAVE met a lot of people who said that people in authority bore no responsibility for the world's problems. But were eager to pass judgement on those with less authority than themselves. (The relationship of a professor and student comes to mind!)

[KUAN]

Some people have a psychopathic will-to-power and they tend to get there - surprise.
From there they tend to hang on to it and to pass it on through the generations. Of course evil bastards will cooperate with evil bastards in order to hang on to power - it's called conspiracy but go ahead and give it another name by all means. Wealth and power tend to concentrate at the top and poverty is shared more equitably among the weak. It's the 5th law of thermodynamics. SF - shit floats.
Biggest shits to the top.