The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

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Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:17 am

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bluenoseclaret » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:14 am wrote:MacCruiskeen

bluenoseclaret, shurely they murdered everyone in Russia?* Shurely that's what shocialism meansh (in your little blue book)?

*In contrast to those nice Czars, who never harmed a hair on the heads of their grateful, forelock-tugging serfs.


So you don't give a shit about 20/60 million people murdered by the bolsheviks. Then you are one fucking whore.

I remember you went on a "posting holiday" during "Operation Cast Lead". Do another one, you two-faced cunt.

Revolution.....you would be hiding under your duvet.


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Postby barracuda » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:58 am

I just tugged my forelock so hard I think I've dislodged a follicle.
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:02 pm

After the revolution your follicles will be safe, Comrade Cuda. It's only your vinyl collection I'm after.
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby Sounder » Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:35 am

Smiths wrote…
the great thing about a concept like 'innocent until proven guilty', is that it doesn't matter who came up with it,
in a single short set of words it absolutely rules out arbitrary arrest, imprisonment, torture and execution

or 'trial by jury', been around thousands of years, no idea who thought of it, without doubt fairer than trial without jury

or, yes, 'representative democracy', deeply flawed, open to abuse, unresponsive to change, yes absolutely ...
who thought of it? who gives a fuck
it is less corruptible than every other system so far experimented with on planet Earth

you and i both know the reason the representatives of the people are so corrupt is the money in the system thats been put on outcomes other than those in societies best interest by the richest and most powerful who now have an extraordinary degree of control over the lives of billions

but the question still needs to be answered, when 'the revolution' gets rid of the rich fuckers and the democratic prison that obviously must be destroyed according to a lot of peoples logic,

what will be constructed in its place?
because smashing things up without a clue of what to do afterwords leads to tyranny, repression, coercion and control - not freedom


Enlightenment thinkers have provided us with worthy ‘forms’ in 'trial by jury',' innocent until proven guilty', 'representative democracy' and many other mental innovations resulting from their efforts. Still it remains up to people of good heart to invest these forms with substance. (we fall down,-at the moment)

I watched the US. Vs. John Lennon movie last night and in it George McGovern said that the traitors are the ones that stifle dissent. In the American system this is putatively true, yet our collective minds are so twisted by the pretzel logic of our vertical authority distribution system, that many people (of both the left as well as the right) seem to believe the opposite.

The movie was an excellent chronology of the times, and is serving to make me realize that I, as well as most other people are guilty of seeing John, and others of his stature, as cultural icons rather than real flesh and blood people having sensible responses to their experience.
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:11 pm

Monbiot today, better & clearer than I've heard him for years. Again, Brand has really shifted the boundaries of expressable opinion.

This is not just about Britain. What Monbiot is describing here is an accelerating global process of protofascist (corporate/state/military/media) consolidation.

It's business that really rules us now

Lobbying is the least of it: corporate interests have captured the entire democratic process. No wonder so many have given up on politics

George Monbiot
The Guardian, Monday 11 November 2013 20.31 GMT

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‘Tony Blair and Gordon Brown purged the party of any residue of opposition to corporations and the people who run them. That's what New Labour was all about.' Photograph: Sean Dempsey/PA


It's the reason for the collapse of democratic choice. It's the source of our growing disillusionment with politics. It's the great unmentionable. Corporate power. The media will scarcely whisper its name. It is howlingly absent from parliamentary debates. Until we name it and confront it, politics is a waste of time.

The political role of business corporations is generally interpreted as that of lobbyists, seeking to influence government policy. In reality they belong on the inside. They are part of the nexus of power that creates policy. They face no significant resistance, from either government or opposition, as their interests have now been woven into the fabric of all three main political parties in Britain.

Most of the scandals that leave people in despair about politics arise from this source. On Monday, for instance, the Guardian revealed that the government's subsidy system for gas-burning power stations is being designed by an executive from the Dublin-based company ESB International, who has been seconded into the Department of Energy. What does ESB do? Oh, it builds gas-burning power stations.

On the same day we learned that a government minister, Nick Boles, has privately assured the gambling company Ladbrokes that it needn't worry about attempts by local authorities to stop the spread of betting shops. His new law will prevent councils from taking action.

Last week we discovered that G4S's contract to run immigration removal centres will be expanded, even though all further business with the state was supposed to be frozen while allegations of fraud were investigated.

Every week we learn that systemic failures on the part of government contractors are no barrier to obtaining further work, that the promise of efficiency, improvements and value for money delivered by outsourcing and privatisation have failed to materialise.

The monitoring which was meant to keep these companies honest is haphazard, the penalties almost nonexistent, the rewards can be stupendous, dizzying, corrupting. Yet none of this deters the government. Since 2008, the outsourcing of public services has doubled, to £20bn. It is due to rise to £100bn by 2015.

This policy becomes explicable only when you recognise where power really lies. The role of the self-hating state is to deliver itself to big business. In doing so it creates a tollbooth economy: a system of corporate turnpikes, operated by companies with effective monopolies.

It's hardly surprising that the lobbying bill – now stalled by the House of Lords – offered almost no checks on the power of corporate lobbyists, while hog-tying the charities who criticise them. But it's not just that ministers are not discouraged from hobnobbing with corporate executives: they are now obliged to do so.

Thanks to an initiative by Lord Green, large companies have ministerial "buddies", who have to meet them when the companies request it. There were 698 of these meetings during the first 18 months of the scheme, called by corporations these ministers are supposed be regulating. Lord Green, by the way, is currently a government trade minister. Before that he was chairman of HSBC, presiding over the bank while it laundered vast amounts of money stashed by Mexican drugs barons. Ministers, lobbyists – can you tell them apart?

That the words corporate power seldom feature in the corporate press is not altogether surprising. It's more disturbing to see those parts of the media that are not owned by Rupert Murdoch or Lord Rothermere acting as if they are.

For example, for five days every week the BBC's Today programme starts with a business report in which only insiders are interviewed. They are treated with a deference otherwise reserved for God on Thought for the Day. There's even a slot called Friday Boss, in which the programme's usual rules of engagement are set aside and its reporters grovel before the corporate idol.
Imagine the outcry if Today had a segment called Friday Trade Unionist or Friday Corporate Critic.

This, in my view, is a much graver breach of BBC guidelines than giving unchallenged airtime to one political party but not others, as the bosses are the people who possess real power – those, in other words, whom the BBC has the greatest duty to accost. Research conducted by the Cardiff school of journalism shows business representatives now receive 11% of airtime on the BBC's 6 o'clock news (this has risen from 7% in 2007), while trade unionists receive 0.6% (which has fallen from 1.4%). Balance? Impartiality? The BBC puts a match to its principles every day.

And where, beyond the Green party, Plaid Cymru, a few ageing Labour backbenchers, is the political resistance? After the article I wrote last week, about the grave threat the transatlantic trade and investment partnership presents to parliamentary sovereignty and democratic choice, several correspondents asked me what response there has been from the Labour party. It's easy to answer: nothing.

Tony Blair and Gordon Brown purged the party of any residue of opposition to corporations and the people who run them. That's what New Labour was all about. Now opposition MPs stare mutely as their powers are given away to a system of offshore arbitration panels run by corporate lawyers.

Since Blair, parliament operates much as Congress in the United States does: the lefthand glove puppet argues with the righthand glove puppet, but neither side will turn around to face the corporate capital that controls almost all our politics. This is why the assertion that parliamentary democracy has been reduced to a self-important farce has resonated so widely over the past fortnight.

So I don't blame people for giving up on politics. I haven't given up yet, but I find it ever harder to explain why.
When a state-corporate nexus of power has bypassed democracy and made a mockery of the voting process, when an unreformed political funding system ensures that parties can be bought and sold, when politicians of the three main parties stand and watch as public services are divvied up by a grubby cabal of privateers, what is left of this system that inspires us to participate?

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Twitter: @georgemonbiot A fully referenced version of this article can be found at monbiot.com
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

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Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:54 pm

Great Britain as microcosm:

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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:55 pm

^^Mark McGowan, aka Chunky Mark, aka The Artist Taxi Driver.

Lowly thesps such as McGowan and Brand are not just "crude but effective mouthpieces" or "justifiably angered, but politically naive" - no, to hell with that patronising shit: they are much better and clearer thinkers than any of the conceited hacks who have either attacked them or else "supported" them by damning them with faint praise.

This article by Chris Marsden is very good and very welcome, but it's still annoying & typical that even he felt compelled to put in those distancing qualifiers in the opening paragraphs -- notably without even attempting to justify them (how could he?):


The significance of British comedian Russell Brand’s call for revolution
By Chris Marsden

13 November 2013

English comedian and actor Russell Brand has come under sustained attack by a variety of political scoundrels.

For urging people not to vote and calling for a “revolution”, Brand has been catapulted to the position of Public Enemy Number One as far as a rogues’ gallery of apologists for capitalism and the Labour Party are concerned.

Brand’s politics are confused [sic]. He has uncritically supported a variety of middle class [sic] protest movements such as “Occupy” and Anonymous and has been keen to stress that his concept of revolution is one based on transforming the way people think [which is wrong, or what? why?]. But right is wholly on his side and against his detractors.

Brand was asked to edit an edition of the New Statesman magazine. In an editorial he praised the formation of “the NHS, holiday pay, sick pay, the weekend” as “the left’s great legacy” before declaring, “We British seem to be a bit embarrassed about revolution, like the passion is uncouth or that some tea might get spilled on our cuffs in the uprising. That revolution is a bit French or worse still American. Well, the alternative is extinction so now might be a good time to re-evaluate”.

This prompted an interview on BBC Newsnight conducted by the ever-obnoxious Jeremy Paxman, who berated Brand for not voting and said that because of this no one should listen to him.

Brand replied, “It is not that I am not voting out of apathy. I am not voting out of absolute indifference and weariness and exhaustion from the lies, treachery and deceit of the political class that has been going on for generations”.
Politicians, he added, were only interested in “serving the needs of corporations”, and a socialist system based on equality was needed.

The response was visceral, with Conservative MP Michael Fabricant saying of Brand, “what a twat”. The self-satisfied and morally bankrupt pro-Labour left was yet more incensed that Brand could declare all politicians and parties to be the same creatures of the corporations.

Emmett Rensen proclaimed in Policy Mic, “If you fail to mitigate the suffering of even one person by refusing to cast a vote every chance you get, you aren’t refusing complicity in an evil system—you’re becoming complicit in evil”.
Robert Lustig in the Huffington Post combined his denunciations of Brand with a defence of the Labour Party and of Barack Obama, proclaiming that not voting was “cowardice”.

The venal warmonger Nick Cohen, writing in the Observer, was not satisfied with merely depicting Brand as evil, comparing him with Italian Fascist leader Benito Mussolini.

Things reached a truly ludicrous crescendo when fellow comedian Robert Webb announced in the New Statesman that Brand's attack had led him to decide to rejoin the Labour Party!

In an open letter to Brand, Webb accused him of “wilfully talking through your arse about something very important” by “actively telling a lot of people that engagement with our democracy is a bad idea....The last Labour government didn’t do enough and bitterly disappointed many voters. But, at the risk of losing your attention, on the whole they helped... [and] changed the real lives of millions of real people for the better”.

He ended by congratulating himself on having the ”unfathomable privilege” of being born in 21st century Britain, pompously attributing Brand’s urge for revolution to an “ache for the luminous” that “isn’t available any more in revolution. We tried that again and again, and we know that it ends in death camps, gulags, repression and murder.”
There is not the space here to debunk Webb’s ignorant depiction of the crimes perpetrated in the Soviet Union by the Stalinist bureaucracy—the most counter-revolutionary tendency in world history—as the inevitable product of revolution. He says nothing new in any case—merely regurgitating the political prejudices he will have imbibed daily at Cambridge University. And Brand himself did a good job of pointing out that the Cambridge-educated Webb has no idea whatsoever of the reality of 21st century Britain for millions of less privileged people than he.

But it is important to understand why Brand aroused such a degree of righteous indignation.

This can only be understood as rooted in the sober calculation of his detractors that he speaks to the genuine sentiment of many, many people, above all the younger generation. In this regard, the comment of Tom Chevers, “Russell Brand, unnecessary revolutionary”, in the Daily Telegraph is by far the most apocalyptic and has the merit of at least a modicum of honesty.

Brand, wrote Chevers, “worries me because, if this is how ‘young people’ are thinking...then maybe he’s right and we actually are all heading for a revolution”.

Citing Brand’s statement, “there’s going to be a revolution. This is the end. I haven’t got a flicker of doubt”, he asks, “Doesn’t that give you a chill”?

“Generally speaking, revolutions are terrible ideas. If you want to make things better, Russell, vote for the least worst option, obey the law, and form a political party that campaigns for what you think needs to change”.

He concludes, “If we have a revolution, it will be because people, like Brand (or Right-wing mirror images of him), think that the world is going to hell and we need to tear it up and start again. It isn’t. We don’t.”

With apologies to Mr Chevers, it is and we do.

Here essentially is why Brand, a generally engaging and studiedly eccentric figure, has found himself cast as a modern day version of Lenin. His verdict on the political establishment is correct and is as widely accepted as his call for a socialist and egalitarian society is attractive.

For that reason the desperate and concerted attempt to stir up contempt for Brand will backfire—and will instead fall down on the defenders of a rotten and unsustainable status quo.


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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby justdrew » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:56 pm

It may be worth noting that in the US, broadcasters under FCC regulation face restrictions on making "calls to action" - not sure exactly what the parameters of that are. anyone know about that?
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:06 pm

justdrew » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:56 pm wrote:It may be worth noting that in the US, broadcasters under FCC regulation face restrictions on making "calls to action" - not sure exactly what the parameters of that are. anyone know about that?


In comments boxes at uk sites I'm seeing more and more comments along the lines of "heads on pikes", "they will soon need to double their bodyguards", "if they're really gonna insist on emulating marie antoinette...", "do they actually know how fucking angry people are getting? because if they did they might start getting scared", "time to stop talking and take action", etc. etc,. etc. No idea how legal any of this is. I just know that people are so sick of it all that they are beginning to stop caring about legality. After all, they know they are ruled by millionaire crooks, liars & killers, and that the only "opposition" available to "voters" is the repulsive system-maintaining scam still called the Labour Party.

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Brand today, as reported in the centrist-liberal national daily The Independent (and elsewhere):

Russell Brand calls David Cameron a 'filthy, dirty, posh w***er' [that's "wanker"]

The Independent, JESS DENHAM Thursday 14 November 2013

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 39040.html

Russell Brand has called David Cameron and George Osborne “filthy, dirty, posh w***ers” on fellow comedian Alan Carr’s talk show.

Following on from the Newsnight interview in which he encouraged viewers to spark a political “revolution” and not vote, the 38-year-old star has now criticised the government for being “mean and tight”.

“If you’re always cutting benefits and being horrible, it’s because you don’t know how to f*** properly,” he told Carr on Chatty Man [a popular nationally-broadcast BBC talkshow], which airs this Friday.

“I think if your job is to look after the country and you don’t care about the people who need it most, you’re out of order, and you’re a filthy, dirty, posh w***er,” he argued.

Days after the prime minister gave a speech in favour of austerity surrounded by gold-embellished furniture, Brand insists that his privileged background means Cameron is unable to relate to the society he governs.

[...]

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 39040.html


Remember that the people he is describing here are the current Prime Minister and the Chancellor of the Exchequer of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The Independent had a poll up for a while - "Has Russell Brand gone too far?" -- but appear to have taken it down now. Approval for Brand was running at just over 80%. - On Edit: No here it is, not just a poll but a comments-box "debate" : Current ratings: 20 against RB, 90 for. One entirely-typical sample comment:

Futiledemocracy 9 hours ago

I'm angry at Brand for not going far enough. The Prime Minister should thank him for the kindest words he's heard about himself in a very long time.


The headlined invective is much less interesting than what RB says here:

“If you’re always cutting benefits and being horrible, it’s because you don’t know how to f*** properly,” he told Carr on Chatty Man [a popular nationally-broadcast BBC talkshow], which airs this Friday.


I've mentioned Wilhelm Reich a couple of times in this thread. Here's a great blogpost by John Steppling from Oct. 12th 2013 -- i.e., just before the Paxman interview, and with no mention of Brand -- that cites Reich at some length. It bears directly and indirectly on all this and much more. (Steppling is a USAmerican who now lives in Norway):

http://john-steppling.com/sex-nullification/
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Postby smiths » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:29 pm

i love that - "Fuck Calm, I've had enough"

i always found it interesting that the 'Keep Calm' WWII mantra of obedience had been rolled back out over the last 10 years or so, a subliminal message sprinkled over the UK populace in a time of 'war'

anything goes in war eh?

in Australia the gov has 'securitized' the issue of asylum seekers,
it will no longer tell the population what is going on, who is coming, if boats sink and hundreds drown or get turned back, they are all operational matters, you know, war rules

that is where the state system has ended, in the State of Emergency

we all live in the State of Emergency, and it is time to end it
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby brainpanhandler » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:37 pm

MacCruiskeen » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:06 pm wrote:
I've mentioned Wilhelm Reich a couple of times in this thread. Here's a great blogpost by John Steppling from Oct. 12th 2013 -- i.e., just before the Paxman interview, and with no mention of Brand -- that cites Reich at some length. It bears directly and indirectly on all this and much more. (Steppling is a USAmerican who now lives in Norway):

http://john-steppling.com/sex-nullification/


Thanks. Fascinating essay.

After many years asking the question, "yah, but what's the real cause of all the evil and misery?" and searching for an answer that satisfied me I found Reich. The suppression of the libidinal impulse and blocking of orgastic potency, expansion/contraction and subsequent armoring/neuroses and the attendant aggressive, sadistic expression of the sublimated energy answers the question. Reich gave up on adults as he had so little success and began to focus on children instead. Which is one the things that got him in so much trouble.

It's a difficult topic. I have been reluctant to discuss it, with anyone, because it leads one to ask the question, what would a society look like that was unrepressed? How would childhood sexuality be handled?

Reich found a society that was unarmored with no discernible neuroses. The Trobrianders. In the Trobrianders' culture childhood and adolescent sexuality was sanctioned and there was a place they could go to engage in it. Can you fucking imagine our culture ever going there?

rb wrote:If you’re always cutting benefits and being horrible, it’s because you don’t know how to f*** properly.


I wonder if brand is familiar with Reich? I suppose "fuck properly" has a greater impact than "have a complete orgasm", although it's much less accurate.
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Postby norton ash » Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:17 am

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The very popular meme-trend from the very popular Bro-culture online 'humour' mag The Chive. It's mostly about beer-bongs, pop culture 10-best lists, and semi-nude submitted-selfies of college girls popping their breasts out of Texas A & M or Alabama jerseys from what I can gather.

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Postby tazmic » Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:53 am

brainpanhandler » Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:37 am wrote: what would a society look like that was unrepressed? How would childhood sexuality be handled?

Reich found a society that was unarmored with no discernible neuroses. The Trobrianders. In the Trobrianders' culture childhood and adolescent sexuality was sanctioned and there was a place they could go to engage in it.


"When inter-group warfare was forbidden by colonial rulers, the islanders developed a unique, aggressive form of cricket."

Not ones for repression, obviously. Curi(wiki)ously:

"Although an understanding of reproduction and modern medicine is widespread in Trobriand Society, their traditional beliefs have been remarkably resilient. The real cause of pregnancy is always a baloma, who is inserted into or enters the body of a woman, and without whose existence a woman could not become pregnant; all babies are made or come into existence (ibubulisi) in Tuma. These tenets form the main stratum of what can be termed popular or universal belief. In the past, many held this traditional belief because the yam, a major food of the island, included chemicals (phytoestrogens and plant sterols) whose effects are contraceptive, so the practical link between sex and pregnancy was not very evident."

Probably helped.

"Malinowski's studies of the Trobriand islanders challenged the Freudian proposal that psychosexual development (e.g. the Oedipus complex) was universal.[4] He reported that in the insular matriarchal society of the Trobriand, boys are disciplined by their maternal uncles, not their fathers; impartial, avuncular discipline. Malinowski reported that boys dreamed of feared uncles, not of beloved fathers, thus, Power — not sexual jealousy — is the source of Oedipal conflict in such non–Western societies."

Are we even able to diagnose neurosis in alien cultures?
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby tazmic » Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:39 am

MacCruiskeen » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:11 pm wrote:This is not just about Britain. What Monbiot is describing here is an accelerating global process of protofascist (corporate/state/military/media) consolidation.

http://www.carrothers.com/network.htm wrote:"You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians, no east, no west, no Communists, no Third Worlds. There is only one holistic system of systems. One vast and immune, interwoven, interactive, multi-variant, multi-national dominion of dollars; Petrol-dollars, electro-dollars, Yens, Pounds, Roubles and shekels. It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the structure of the world today. That is the atomic, and sub-atomic, and galactic structure of things today. And you have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and you will atone. Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale?

You get up on your twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only I.B.M. and I.T.T. and A.T.&T and Dupont, Dow, Union Carbide and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today. What do you think the Russians talk about in their Council of States? Karl Marx? They sit down with their statistical decision theories, lineal programming charts, and their Mini-Mac solutions and compute the cost-price probabilities of their stocks and transactions, just like we do. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, all inexorably determined by the immutable by-laws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale, and it has been ever since Man crawled out of the slime.

Our children, Mr. Beale, will live to see that perfect world in which there is no war or famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company for whom all men will work to serve a common profit; in which all will hold a share of stock; all necessities provided for, all anxieties tranquillized, all boredom amused."


It's not like Brand is saying anything that hasn't been obvious to the working class since they went to school and were asked if they'd like to be gardeners, drivers, or someone who puts coats on hooks for a living.

So if anyone is waking up, it's the middle classes, and it looks like they are on their way out.

Welcome to the world.

What kind of revolution are we ready for?

tazmic, on another thread, wrote:How perfectly surreal.

The Bilderbergers are inside, planning how best to continue their pursuit of globalization, whilst the 'protesters' are outside listening to Icke telling them not to identify with their own culture and to put aside the 'artificial' boundaries that separate them, the global workforce.

And they cheer...


Because we all know it's cultural identification and national boundaries that are driving economic globalization, right?

Reminds me of a Love Police video, interviewing some Scottish lad. With all the correct and righteous feelgoody stripped away the only actionable content in the exchange was 'it's pretty silly to think of yourself as Scottish, isn't it?'

Poor lad didn't have a chance.
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