How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

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Re: How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

Postby American Dream » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:25 am

slimmouse » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:22 am wrote:
American Dream » 02 Jan 2014 14:10 wrote:
slimmouse » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:40 am wrote:Because as someone recently stated under oath, hating anyone because of their genetic code, is just about as mindless as it gets, ultimately.


It should be clarified that even though "Race" is fundamentally a social construct, Jewishness does not equal a "Race". There is certainly no defining genetic marker of Jewishness.


Well in that case, if Jewishness is neither ethnic, nor genetic, what is the rationale of anyone for hating, by youre definition whiat is essentially a social construct ?

Sounds as much like the green monster, namely envy as much as anything.

And if that sounds about right, then surely hatred is not the operative term, is it?


Devil is in the details because you and others support things that 99% of people I know of would surely term "bigotry"- at best...
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Re: How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:26 am

Are you calling me a bigot?
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Re: How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

Postby jakell » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:50 am

American Dream » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:10 pm wrote:
slimmouse » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:40 am wrote:Because as someone recently stated under oath, hating anyone because of their genetic code, is just about as mindless as it gets, ultimately.


It should be clarified that even though "Race" is fundamentally a social construct, Jewishness does not equal a "Race". There is certainly no defining genetic marker of Jewishness.


A familiar binary that has been presented to me a fair few times by White Nationalists is .... " is race real, or is it a social construct?"

Being familiar with their usual rhetoric I chose neither (this annoys the hell out of them), stating that it is both 'real' and a social construct, given that, taking society as our backdrop, a relatively well subscribed social consruct is as good as real.

(Their version of 'real' here would be identifiable DNA sequences leading to predictable phenotypes, which is a funny sort of 'real' anyway. I didn't take this path though.)
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Re: How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

Postby slimmouse » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:08 pm

Devil is in the details because you and others support things that 99% of people I know of would surely term "bigotry"- at best...


Heres the wikipedia definition of bigot.

Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.


Hmm "as a result of their prejudices". What might influence a persons prejudices?

I never looked up the definition of prejudice, but all my personal prejudices are based on my personal life experiences and my general understanding of the way the world works. . I shouldnt wonder its different for anyone in truth.


Therefore, what, in your opinon would these 99% of people you know, who define this as bigotry, tell you about the relative levels of bigotry that exist in the social construct of Jewishness, compared with other such social constructs of which we all must form some part.

I wish to also seriously ask the question if any research into this has ever been done?

Otherwise you might consider me bigoted for my own guess on this.
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Re: How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:18 pm

American Dream » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:25 am wrote:[quote="[url=http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=530691#p530691]

Devil is in the details because you and others support things that 99% of people I know of would surely term "bigotry"- at best...



name the bigots on this board or shut the fuck up
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Re: How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

Postby American Dream » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:24 pm

slimmouse » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:08 am wrote:

Therefore, what, in your opinon would these 99% of people you know, who define this as bigotry, tell you about the relative levels of bigotry that exist in the social construct of Jewishness, compared with other such social constructs of which we all must form some part.


Probably 90%+ of the people I know are non/anti-Zionists. I certainly see/greet/know some people who have support and/or concern for the People of Israel and hence, their State. That said, they are all liberal/progressive types and I can't imagine the vast majority saying anything Islamophobic/anti-Arab/anti-Palestinian. Quite the Opposite.
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Re: How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

Postby slimmouse » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:37 pm

American Dream » 02 Jan 2014 16:24 wrote:
slimmouse » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:08 am wrote:

Therefore, what, in your opinon would these 99% of people you know, who define this as bigotry, tell you about the relative levels of bigotry that exist in the social construct of Jewishness, compared with other such social constructs of which we all must form some part.


Probably 90%+ of the people I know are non/anti-Zionists. I certainly see/greet/know some people who have support and/or concern for the People of Israel and hence, their State. That said, they are all liberal/progressive types and I can't imagine the vast majority saying anything Islamophobic/anti-Arab/anti-Palestinian. Quite the Opposite.



Does this mean that you believe youre friends would say that the Jewish social construct is more bigoted, or less bigoted, or the same as other social constructs of which we all must form a part.

Thats what I was wondering?
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Re: How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:39 pm

American Dream » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:25 am wrote:
slimmouse » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:22 am wrote:
American Dream » 02 Jan 2014 14:10 wrote:
slimmouse » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:40 am wrote:Because as someone recently stated under oath, hating anyone because of their genetic code, is just about as mindless as it gets, ultimately.


It should be clarified that even though "Race" is fundamentally a social construct, Jewishness does not equal a "Race". There is certainly no defining genetic marker of Jewishness.


Well in that case, if Jewishness is neither ethnic, nor genetic, what is the rationale of anyone for hating, by youre definition whiat is essentially a social construct ?

Sounds as much like the green monster, namely envy as much as anything.

And if that sounds about right, then surely hatred is not the operative term, is it?


Devil is in the details because you and others support things that 99% of people I know of would surely term "bigotry"- at best...



come on be a man and name the bigots on this board....we all need to know who they are
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Re: How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

Postby American Dream » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:42 pm

slimmouse » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:37 am wrote:
American Dream » 02 Jan 2014 16:24 wrote:
slimmouse » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:08 am wrote:

Therefore, what, in your opinon would these 99% of people you know, who define this as bigotry, tell you about the relative levels of bigotry that exist in the social construct of Jewishness, compared with other such social constructs of which we all must form some part.


Probably 90%+ of the people I know are non/anti-Zionists. I certainly see/greet/know some people who have support and/or concern for the People of Israel and hence, their State. That said, they are all liberal/progressive types and I can't imagine the vast majority saying anything Islamophobic/anti-Arab/anti-Palestinian. Quite the Opposite.



Does this mean that you believe youre friends would say that the Jewish social construct is more bigoted, or less bigoted, or the same as other social constructs of which we all must form a part.

Thats what I was wondering?


Most everybody I know clearly identifies with principles of anti-Racism and I doubt they would say that Jewish ethnocentrism is worse than any other. Most all though, would say that if Jewish identify reinforces White Supremacy, Islamophobia, anti-Arab Racism etc. in any way, that is a big problem...
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Re: How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:44 pm

who are the members of this board that you believe are bigots?

Who are all the anti-semitic holocaust deniers here at RI...is it only 1 ...2 ......3 ...how many and who are they?
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Re: How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

Postby slimmouse » Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:32 pm

American Dream » 02 Jan 2014 16:42 wrote:
slimmouse » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:37 am wrote:
American Dream » 02 Jan 2014 16:24 wrote:
slimmouse » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:08 am wrote:

Therefore, what, in your opinon would these 99% of people you know, who define this as bigotry, tell you about the relative levels of bigotry that exist in the social construct of Jewishness, compared with other such social constructs of which we all must form some part.


Probably 90%+ of the people I know are non/anti-Zionists. I certainly see/greet/know some people who have support and/or concern for the People of Israel and hence, their State. That said, they are all liberal/progressive types and I can't imagine the vast majority saying anything Islamophobic/anti-Arab/anti-Palestinian. Quite the Opposite.



Does this mean that you believe youre friends would say that the Jewish social construct is more bigoted, or less bigoted, or the same as other social constructs of which we all must form a part.

Thats what I was wondering?


Most everybody I know clearly identifies with principles of anti-Racism and I doubt they would say that Jewish ethnocentrism is worse than any other. Most all though, would say that if Jewish identify reinforces White Supremacy, Islamophobia, anti-Arab Racism etc. in any way, that is a big problem...
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OK AD, So you believe its the roughly the same.

Now, without changing the name of what were discussing here, Would I be right in assuming that all Jewish people form some part of the Social construct of Jewishness?

I would surely be stupid if I didnt, because any such kind of exlusion would be, well - stupid.

So my best adivice to anyone in a social construct who wishes to end bigotry (which I of course assume you do), would be to deal with the biggest culprits of the bigotry within their own particular social construct. Try and point out to them, why what they are doing to this planet and our civilisation in general, isnt a particularly nice thing.

In my personal experience, and from a long time looking at this stuff, the biggest bigots are usually the rich and powerful.
The rich and poweful couldnt give a flying fuck about me or you or anyone else.

Not to mention the earth

Now to me thats the very worst kind of bigotry, only supersized.

Furthermore, I believe they intentionally and exponentially perpetrate the bigotry that exists amongst all the rest of us.

Name and shame works. ( Do the research first of course)

I dont know which social construct I fall into , though I consider myself part of the general human social construct, But if you can give me your own definition, and I can subsequently identify fellow members of my particular structure(s), I'll be naming and shaming the real problems to the bigorry within my particular construct, in quick time where neccesary, especially if I havent already done so.

Is that a fair comment?

Perhaps we can even define this particular social construct, where the most bigoted in the worst kind of way hang out together.

I know for sure that they do hang out when time allows, because there's a lot of photographic evidence to prove it,
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Re: How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

Postby jakell » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:09 pm

So. How are we doing at confronting holocaust denial? (the particular holocaust here being the Nazi genocide), any practicalities emerged yet?

Some of those guys are pretty good and know their stuff, so it's important to remain focussed.
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Re: How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:34 pm

jakell » Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:09 pm wrote:So. How are we doing at confronting holocaust denial? (the particular holocaust here being the Nazi genocide), any practicalities emerged yet?

Some of those guys are pretty good and know their stuff, so it's important to remain focussed.



we've been going over this for 7 years now here....focused enough....emerged enough....everything has been said has been said over and over and over again...this thread was posted as a warning....this thread has been posted so ANOTHER Holocaust denial thread is on the front page of this board
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Re: How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

Postby American Dream » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:42 pm

jakell » Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:09 pm wrote:So. How are we doing at confronting holocaust denial? (the particular holocaust here being the Nazi genocide), any practicalities emerged yet?

Some of those guys are pretty good and know their stuff, so it's important to remain focussed.


Excellent points. I'm staying with these issues and no others...
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Re: How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:43 pm

Excellent points...repeated over and over and over again....we're pretty smart here ...you should realize that and stop shoving your agenda in our faces

again I ask who are the holocaust deniers here AD? who are the bigots?
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