Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby 82_28 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:54 pm

I'll see your "ideology" and raise you "honest idealism". Both words connote a belief of sorts I suppose, about what you would like to see happen for everyone. No one is exempt from being treated with 24/7 kindness, reliability, honesty and all those "good traits". Yet everyone is excluded with capricious "leadership" and questionable journalism.

I mean, fuck, this grand hero to many on the left and libertarian side in the US, Snowden, is being protected by this Putin. Perhaps the "big story" that Michael Hastings was onto was that there will be a collusion between powers to create a WWIII in some 3D fashion.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:00 pm

From Open Ukraine, the website of Arseniy Yatsenyuk, Ukrainian putschist-in-chief. (Wiki describes him as "a Ukrainian politician, economist and lawyer who is the Prime Minister of Ukraine following the parliament's 2014 removal of Viktor Yanukovych from power").:


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http://openukraine.org/en/about/partners


Motto: "Open Ukraine for yourself and for the world!"

Mission

The Open Ukraine Foundation is an international foundation, established in July 2007, at the initiative of Arseniy Yatsenyuk and Zbigniew Dzhymala for strengthening and development of Ukraine’s reputation in the world.

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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:02 pm

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby Lord Balto » Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:41 pm

I posted the following to the Daily Telegraph comments section in an attempt to laugh the Russians out of Crimea, and I quote:

As president of the Russian American Cooperation Organization I would like to say that we fully support President Putin's call for an internationally monitored national referendum among all of Russia's 185 nationalities allowing them to choose between remaining under the control of Moscow and becoming independent. We applaud President Putin's enlightened position on the question of self determination for all peoples of Europe and Asia. Further details and a preliminary map of the newly downsized Muscovite Republic will be available shortly. Up-to-the-minute news may be found at can-o-worms.ru.

And, no, that's not a real website, though it should be.

I must say, I have not seen such a concerted barage of Russian propaganda in any comments section ever. One really does wonder who they think they are kidding. Do they think the world does not remember the Soviet Union nor the Russian Empire before that?

And by the way, can no one here do anything but cut and paste? I mean, really. If I want to read quotes from news sites, I'll go to the news sites. Tell us what your opinion is. That is, if you can actually write in English. Do I detect elements of the same Russian propaganda machine here as well?
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:17 pm

Ukraine Meddling: Delusional Hypocrisy of Western Politicians. Don’t Blame President Putin: “Just Look in the Mirror”

By Felicity Arbuthnot
Global Research, March 06, 2014
Region: Europe, Russia and FSU, USA

“If you can keep your head, when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you …” (“If”, Rudyard Kipling, 1865-1936.)

The delusional and mind stretching hypocrisy of Western leaders and spokespeople regarding the outcome of external meddling in the Ukraine increasingly mirrors King George 111 whose: “life and reign were marked by a series of military conflicts involving his kingdoms, much of the rest of Europe, and places farther afield in Africa, the Americas and Asia …”

He also, of course, lost America, accused of having: “plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people”, a mantle America’s settlers seamlessly took over, first against the indigenous population, before moving further afield in 1798 – ceaselessly ongoing. History taught Britain nothing either, except to slavishly become a snarling, yapping lap dog in the very expensive, detrimental trans-Atlantic “special relationship.”

George was finally diagnosed with recurrent – and eventually permanent – mental illness. Perhaps delusion can too easily become the price of power.

“You just don’t go invading another country on completely phony pretexts. It’s really 19th century behaviour in the 21st century”, said Secretary of State John Kerry, slamming Russia for: “invading another country on completely trumped up pretext.” He, UK Prime Minister David Cameron and Foreign Secretary William Hague, were, of course cheerleaders for illegally invading Iraq on “completely trumped up pretext.”

Kerry rounded off 4th March with: “Freedom would never be achieved by bullets and provocation.”

Think Panama, Grenada, Yugoslavia – lawless Kosovo carved out of Serbia – Afghanistan, funding the foreign organ eaters, beheaders and hand choppers of Syria in order to “violate the sovereignty”, years of threatening Iran – and, and, and.

David Cameron, having taken his orders from Washington, spoke to German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande stating they had agreed to: “ speak with one voice and send a clear message to Russia that its actions in Ukraine were completely unacceptable”, there would be “costs and consequences” for Russia which had violated: “the sovereignty and territorial integrity of another country.”

William Hague, in Kiev to embrace an entirely illegitimate administration some of whom are photographed using Nazi arm gestures, said of Russia: “The world cannot just say it is OK, in effect, to violate the sovereignty of another nation in this way” and Russia’s actions and support of the Crimean region could not be allowed to become the: “normal way to behave in international affairs.”

President Obama, in charge of Gulag Guantanamo, in contravention of his electoral vow to close it, personally ordering drone strikes on individuals, funeral gatherings, wedding parties, farmers, child wood gatherers and villages from Pakistan to Yemen, Afghanistan to Somalia. Obama, also involved in the destruction of Libya, thus party to the appalling assassination of the country’s Leader and the assassination of someone purported to be Osama bin Laden in an illegal incursion in to Pakistan, has charged that President Putin is “on the wrong side of history.”

Nicholas Burns, former Undersecretary of State under George W Bush and former US Ambassador to NATO accused: “Obviously Putin has won the Crimea through brute force.” Well no, apart from a few shots in the air on the 4th March, not a shot has been fired, unlike the slaughterhouses generated by various “international coalitions” – and Russia has a legal agreement for anchorage of its Black Sea fleet there until 2042. In Sevastopol, where the fleet is based, much of the population in fact have Russian passports.

America of course has nine hundred bases in one hundred and fifty three countries.

In Ukraine ethnic Russians make up 58.5% of the population, with ethnic Ukrainians just 24.4% and Crimean Tatars 12.1% (2001 census.) One of the first acts of the illegitimate government was to repeal a 2012 act recognizing Russian as an official language. Whilst this disgraceful move has been vetoed by the puppet President, it has not been repealed.

Moreover: “Under the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the US, Russia, Ukraine and the UK agreed not to threaten or use force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine. They also pledged never to use economic coercion to subordinate Ukraine to their own interest.” (BBC 4th March.) There surely should be “costs and consequences” for the US, Ukraine and UK for violating a binding agreement – if the $ fifteen billion to Ukraine just announced by the EU is not “economic coercion”, it has to be wondered what is.

On 4th March at the United Nations, Russia’s UN Ambassador Vitaly Churkin showed a letter to President Putin from the still legitimate Ukrainian President, Viktor Yanukovych, asking Russia for troops to protect civilians. The request was approved by the Russian Parliament (Duma) “on the territory of the Ukraine pending the normalization of the socio-political situation in that country.” The “Right to Protect” comes to mind.

With factions of the “government” in Kiev calling for the deaths of Jews, blacks and Russians, increasing attacks on Synagogues, destruction of historic symbols, the request seems more than justified, as does President Putin’s claim of an “unconstitutional coup”, after an agreement of concilliation was signed on 21st February attended by his envoy and three EU Foreign Ministers.

However, Senator John McCain, EU Foreign Affairs spokeswoman Catherine Ashton and US Assistant Secretary of State, Victoria “Fuck the EU” Nuland, and John Kerry all pitched up in Kiev to support an insurrection comprising a considerable element of far right and neo-Nazi supporters. Nuland bizarrely handed out buns and cookies from a plastic bag.

On 20th February expert snipers who shot more than twenty protestors, are now alleged to have been hired by the same opposition leaders the US and EU embraced so warmly, according to a leaked report of a telephone conversation between Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and Catherine Ashton.(1) The near bancrupt country’s treasury was looted – with the EU seemingly knowing who to blame for the looting since they have frozen their assets.(2) Work that one out.

As for the cookie toting Ms Nuland, as Professor Michel Chossudovsky has stated:

“It was confirmed by Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland that key organizations in Ukraine including the neo-Nazi party Svoboda were generously supported by Washington. And I quote Victoria Nuland: ‘We have invested more than $5 billion to help Ukraine to achieve this and other goals.’ That refers to a period extending from the 2004 Color Revolution to the present. And there is ample evidence of Western support – both covert support through intelligence ops as well as diplomatic support through the US State Department and the EU of course.”(3)

Nuland is married to Robert Kagan, one of the authors of the Project for the New American Century, which advised on Iraq, in what has become a blueprint for planned overthrows of sovereign governments:

“We should help establish and support (with economic, political and military means) a provisional, representative and free government of Iraq in areas of Iraq not under Saddam’s control.” Just replace Iraq with Libya, Syria, Ukraine or where ever else Capitol Hill eyes roam. Kagan’s modestly entitled book: “The World America Made” was endorsed publicly by Barack Obama and referenced in his 2012 State of the Union address.

Ironically Victoria Nuland’s original family name was Nudelman, a grandfather being Meyer Nudelman, from a family of Jewish immigrants to the United States from the former Soviet Union.

But for all the scheming, plotting, overthrowing, subterfuge, sabotage of sovereign states, taking on Vladimir Putin may be a bridge too far. He is not a man who loses his head, “when all around are losing theirs” and blaming him. As Kremlin analyst Sergei Glazyev has stated regarding the outrageous idea of imposing various trade and financial embargoes by the US and EU on Russia, the victim:

“If sanctions are applied against state structures, we will be forced to recognize the impossibility of repayment of the loans that the US banks gave to the Russian structures. Indeed, sanctions are a double-edged weapon, and if the US chooses to freeze our assets, then our equities and liabilities in dollars will also be frozen. This means that our banks and businesses will not return the loans to American partners.”

Glazyev also pondered dumping the dollar to reduce its dependence on the U.S. financial system and switch to other currencies. “We have wonderful economic and trade relations with our Southern and Eastern partners. We will find a way not just to eliminate our dependence on the U.S. but also profit from these sanctions.”

Russia is also a major supplier of oil to Germany (about 40% of the country’s supplies) the Netherlands “and Western Europe generally.”(5) Germany has six thousand companies based in Russia and German business organizations are shouting warnings loudly.

The French have entered a number of major contracts to supply Russia with Naval vessels. Russia also imports from Peugeot, Citroen, Renault and numerous French companies from L’Oreal to Auchan groceries, farming equipment from the Kuhn Group, home goods from Leroy Merlin and numerous more.

The UK would lose hugely from the Russian investment both in the City of London, in multi-million pound land, mansion, football club purchases and countless business ventures. All in all messing with President Putin represents volleys of shots in countless international feet.

A further player in this mess has been the European Endowment for Democracy (EED) based on the US National Endowment for Democracy (6.) Neo-Con territory on steroids. Early last year the EED declared:

“The Endowment comes at a very timely moment, as 2013 will be a crucial year for democratic transitions, in particular in the EU’s neighbourhood. The European Endowment for Democracy can play a very important role. By working directly with those in the field, who are striving for democracy …”

The Board had: “discussed the strategic vision and mandate for the EED and appointed Jerzy Pomianowski, Poland’s undersecretary of state for foreign affairs, as its Executive Director.” It was noted under “Ukraine” that: “given the close links between Poland and Ukraine, it is expected that Ukraine will be one of the EED target countries.”

At the Crimean Yalta Conference (Feb 4-11 1945) Stalin said of Poland:

“For the Russian people, the question of Poland is not only a question of honor but also a question of security. Throughout history, Poland has been the corridor through which the enemy has passed into Russia. Poland is a question of life and death for Russia.”

NATO is currently stepping up military exercises with Poland.

Imagine if NATO was next door, further encircling Russia, in Ukraine. It will not be countenanced.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby Dradin Kastell » Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:22 am

A couple of comments to the Felicity Arbuthnot piece:

Arbuthnot wrote:William Hague, in Kiev to embrace an entirely illegitimate administration some of whom are photographed using Nazi arm gestures, said of Russia: “The world cannot just say it is OK, in effect, to violate the sovereignty of another nation in this way” and Russia’s actions and support of the Crimean region could not be allowed to become the: “normal way to behave in international affairs.”


We can say that the Kiev government is illegitimate by the way it came to power, even if it appears to have been accepted by the majority of the Yanukovych-era parliament - also by some members of Yanukovych's party. It also includes fascists and violent street thugs among its supporters and even its leaders.

The local Crimean government is, though, at least as illegitimate. The current government led by Sergey Aksyonov came to power after armed, masked men captured the local parliament's building, and the previous legal Yanukovych-era administration (by Ukrainian law) was ousted by a non-representative vote - as many members of the body were not present, nor could they have been. Any legitimacy the political leadership of the Crimean local government had still two weeks ago went out of the window with that. The new pro-Russia leader, Aksyonov, comes from a party that only gained 4,02% of the popular vote in the last elections (2010) and altogether 3 seats in the 100 member parliament. Contrast this, if you will, with the Kiev cabinet, where the president and the prime minister come from the Batkivschyna party, the main group in the legally dubious government, which holds 19,5% of the parliament posts. Even the far-right Svoboda has doubly the support in the national parliament than Aksyonov's group has in the local parliament in the Crimea.

So when one says that the government in Kiev is illegitimate, because it came to power through a violent uprising, one has a point even if the cabinet has the support of a majority of the national parliament. But in the same vein, one should point out that the Crimean government is illegal as well, and with even more reason, as the legal local government was also ousted through an armed insurrection and that the current government is not representative of the people of the Crimea by any stretch of imagination. Also, while the Kiev government is supported by US and European interests, and by violent fascist thugs prowling the streets of Kiev, the secessionist Simferopol government is backed by actual foreign troops occupying the peninsula. I would argue that the latter state of affairs is an even bigger threat to the legitimacy of the leadership than the former.

With a small pro-Russia minority leading this unrepresentative government on the Crimea, an area under foreign military occupation, it would be of course impossible to guarantee that any referendum in the area, let alone one that will be held in under two weeks from now, will be free and fair and will truly reflect the will of the local population. Recent news tell us that UN and OSCE representatives are not even allowed on the Crimea, or are being run out of the area with threats of violence - for a potential referendum, and the possibility of making it a transparent one, that is not good.


Arbuthnot wrote:Nicholas Burns, former Undersecretary of State under George W Bush and former US Ambassador to NATO accused: “Obviously Putin has won the Crimea through brute force.” Well no, apart from a few shots in the air on the 4th March, not a shot has been fired, unlike the slaughterhouses generated by various “international coalitions” – and Russia has a legal agreement for anchorage of its Black Sea fleet there until 2042. In Sevastopol, where the fleet is based, much of the population in fact have Russian passports.


The Russian troops have occupied the peninsula in violation of the 1994 deal between Russia, Ukraine and the Western states, where Russia agreed that the Crimea is a part of Ukraine, as well as to respect Ukrainian territorial integrity. The Sevastopol lease area, where Russia has the right to keep thousands of troops by mutual agreement with Ukraine, is a military enclave with clearly defined borders. Any Russian troops outside this area without the permission of the Ukrainian national parliament violate both international law and the treaties between Ukraine and Russia. And like my previous post shows, the extremely well-outfitted troops that walk the streets of the local capital, for example, are Russians and they have been on sovereign Ukrainian soil since the 27th at the latest.


Arbuthnot wrote:Moreover: “Under the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the US, Russia, Ukraine and the UK agreed not to threaten or use force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine. They also pledged never to use economic coercion to subordinate Ukraine to their own interest.” (BBC 4th March.) There surely should be “costs and consequences” for the US, Ukraine and UK for violating a binding agreement – if the $ fifteen billion to Ukraine just announced by the EU is not “economic coercion”, it has to be wondered what is.


The Russians have also constantly pressured Ukraine economically. Cancelling the 30% rebate on Russian natural gas Ukraine has been receiving during the Yanukovych administration can cost Ukraine billions in the future. And that rebate was not just a measure of good will by Moscow - it was a quid pro quo of Russia keeping Sevastopol under lease until 2042, these were the main parts of a deal agreed in Russian-Ukrainian negotiations in 2010. See here. So when Russia uses the gas deal as a form of economic coercion, and when it cancels it unilaterally like it has said it will in the near future, it is also breaking the 2010 deal with Ukraine and thus Ukraine would be within its rights to cancel the Sevastopol lease by turn unilaterally.


On 4th March at the United Nations, Russia’s UN Ambassador Vitaly Churkin showed a letter to President Putin from the still legitimate Ukrainian President, Viktor Yanukovych, asking Russia for troops to protect civilians. The request was approved by the Russian Parliament (Duma) “on the territory of the Ukraine pending the normalization of the socio-political situation in that country.” The “Right to Protect” comes to mind.


Even if we would agree that Yanukovych is still the legitimate president of Ukraine, while even Putin himself does say that Yanukovych did in fact resign, by Ukrainian constitution the president would not have the right to call foreign troops to Ukrainian soil. That is a right held by the Ukrainian parliament.

So taken together: here Arbuthnot is writing a piece that is admirably critical of US and European actions in the Ukraine situation. The Western hypocrisy is well brought out. And she is calling the Kiev government illegitimate and supported by far-right groups. Fair enough, and supported by sources. But at the same time, I wish a critical eye was also directed towards Russian actions and claims. Here it appears that the writer has almost entirely failed to use any critical approach on the Russian side - even if putting both sides of the crisis under a similar level of scrutiny would be absolutely necessary to distinguish between truths and falsehoods on all sides. Otherwise you will be just acting as a tool to one side's propaganda which I don't believe we want to do on this forum, at least.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby American Dream » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:40 am

http://www.mikemarqusee.com/?p=1533

The British anti-war movement should be standing with anti-war protesters in Russia

by Mike Marqusee on 6/3/2014

The argument against Western imperialism can only be strengthened by a firm opposition to other imperialisms, argues Mike Marqusee

It really should be easy enough to condemn Russia’s action in Ukraine while at the same time rejecting and campaigning against US-EU military intervention. Sadly, there are some in the anti-war movement who see this as an awkward proposition.

Russian imperialism is as unacceptable as US-EU imperialism. In this region it has a long and brutal history. The British anti-war movement should be standing shoulder-to-shoulder with anti-war protesters in Russia, who face serious dangers, not equivocating about Putin.

The Maidan movement cannot be reduced to an imperialist plot. There were more than enough good reasons for people to be angry at the Yanukovich government; it didn’t need ‘outside agitators’ of any kind. There were and are various elements within the Maidan movement, including, but certainly not restricted to, far-right nationalists. Their actions in recent weeks have been frightening and their role in the new government does indeed make a mockery of Western claims to be defending human rights.

Nonetheless, the demand of the Maidan for an end to corrupt oligarchic government was just and necessary. That claim is not vitiated by the fact that at the moment a particular branch of the ruling class (as venal as those they have replaced) has reaped the spoils. Like other protest movements in recent years, the Maidan’s politics and ideology were and are ambiguous and inevitably still in formation.

Outside interference, from either Russia or the West, blocks or distorts this necessary process of political development. It solves nothing and generates only further problems.

The main enemy?

Those who want the anti-war movement in Britain to condemn Russia’s actions have been reminded that ‘the main enemy is at home’. The assumption seems to be that condemning Russia’s crime will undermine opposition to war. But what will undermine us far more are unreal descriptions of events, evasive positions and ‘special pleading’. If people are led to believe by our own behaviour that we are not really an anti-war movement but Russian apologists, ‘the main enemy’ will be strengthened.

It is perfectly possible to challenge Western imperialism without justifying the Russian variety. Making your own government the immediate focus of campaigning does not entail ignoring the rest of the picture. Yes, Western imperialism poses more dangers to more people, globally, but that does not make Russian imperialism any more acceptable or Ukraine’s right to self-determination any less urgent.

We will be asked in public, by the public: ‘What about Russia?’ In this context, to answer simply that ‘the main enemy is at home’ will be seen as stonewalling.

There’s a patronising notion that we can’t do ‘two things at the same time’, that we can’t handle complexity, that there must be a hierarchy of identifiable good guys and bad guys. The anti-war movement is seen as a fragile ensemble. Actually, it’s more robust and more sophisticated than that.

The need for unity is cited as a reason not to dwell on Russian misbehaviour. But will evading or exonerating the Russian action really enhance unity in opposition to US-EU war-making? It’s an approach that many are bound to find objectionable.

Western military intervention in Ukraine seems unlikely, but the rhetorical indignation of Western leaders plays an insidious role: part of a long-term effort to repair an imperial ideology discredited by Afghanistan and Iraq. When liberals lament the ‘impotence’ of the West, they’re setting the stage for a reassertion of Western ‘masculinity’ – as and when convenient. Mirroring Western rationales, Moscow characterises its military intervention as a humanitarian mission of protection. At this moment, in relation to Ukraine, imperial hypocrisies, Western and Russian, seem boundless.

We won’t be able to offer an alternative to this hall of mirrors by matching one double standard with another. It’s always a corrupting practise, as a left wing version of realpolitik takes the place of a politics of solidarity.

The argument against Western imperialism can only be strengthened by a firm opposition to other imperialisms. This is a common human cause, isn’t it?
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:25 pm

Six US Warplanes En Route to Baltics
Lithuania DM: Deployment Response to Ukraine, Kaliningrad Activity
by Jason Ditz, March 06, 2014

Following up on yesterday’s promise of more deployments to the region, the United States has sent six F-15 fighter planes to the Baltic States for NATO air patrols.

Lithuanian Defense Minister Juozas Olekas confirmed the deployments, saying they were a response not just to Ukraine but to “additional military activity in the Kaliningrad region.”

Kaliningrad is a Russian exclave on the Baltic, formerly East Prussia. Olekas claimed significant increases in military operations there in the past four days, but exactly what form they took is unclear.

Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite said the deployment proved NATO is responding “promptly and fast” to the Ukraine situation, saying it underscored that “Russia today is dangerous” and needed to be countered militarily.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:52 pm

The Looting of Ukraine Has Begun
by Paul Craig Roberts / March 6th, 2014

According to a report in Kommersant-Ukraine, the finance ministry of Washington’s stooges in Kiev who are pretending to be a government has prepared an economic austerity plan that will cut Ukrainian pensions from $160 to $80 so that Western bankers who lent money to Ukraine can be repaid at the expense of Ukraine’s poor. It is Greece all over again.

Before anything approaching stability and legitimacy has been obtained for the puppet government put in power by the Washington orchestrated coup against the legitimate, elected Ukraine government, the Western looters are already at work. Naive protesters who believed the propaganda that EU membership offered a better life are due to lose half of their pension by April. But this is only the beginning.

The corrupt Western media describes loans as “aid.” However, the 11 billion euros that the EU is offering Kiev is not aid. It is a loan. Moreover, it comes with many strings, including Kiev’s acceptance of an IMF austerity plan.

Remember now, gullible Ukrainians participated in the protests that were used to overthrow their elected government, because they believed the lies told to them by Washington-financed NGOs that once they joined the EU they would have streets paved with gold. Instead they are getting cuts in their pensions and an IMF austerity plan.

The austerity plan will cut social services, funds for education, layoff government workers, devalue the currency, thus raising the prices of imports which include Russian gas, thus electricity, and open Ukrainian assets to takeover by Western corporations.

Ukraine’s agriculture lands will pass into the hands of American agribusiness.

One part of the Washington-EU plan for Ukraine, or that part of Ukraine that doesn’t defect to Russia, has succeeded. What remains of the country will be thoroughly looted by the West.

The other part hasn’t worked as well. Washington’s Ukrainian stooges lost control of the protests to organized and armed ultra-nationalists. These groups, whose roots go back to those who fought for Hitler during World War 2, engaged in words and deeds that sent southern and eastern Ukraine clamoring to be returned to Russia where they resided prior to the 1950s when the Soviet communist party stuck them into Ukraine.

At this time of writing it looks like Crimea has seceded from Ukraine. Washington and its NATO puppets can do nothing but bluster and threaten sanctions. The White House Fool has demonstrated the impotence of the “US sole superpower” by issuing sanctions against unknown persons, whoever they are, responsible for returning Crimea to Russia, where it existed for about 200 years before, according to Solzhenitsyn, a drunk Khrushchev of Ukrainian ethnicity moved southern and eastern Russian provinces into Ukraine. Having observed the events in western Ukraine, those Russian provinces want to go back home where they belong, just as South Ossetia wanted nothing to do with Georgia.

Washington’s stooges in Kiev can do nothing about Crimea except bluster. Under the Russian-Ukraine agreement, Russia is permitted 25,000 troops in Crimea. The US-EU media’s deploring of a “Russian invasion of 16,000 troops” is either total ignorance or complicity in Washington’s lies. Obviously, the US-EU media is corrupt. Only a fool would rely on their reports. Any media that would believe anything Washington says after George W. Bush and Dick Cheney sent Secretary of State Colin Powell to the UN to peddle the regime’s lies about “Iraqi weapons of mass destruction,” which the weapons inspectors had told the White House did not exist, is clearly a collection of bought-and-paid for whores.

In the former Russian provinces of eastern Ukraine, Putin’s low-key approach to the strategic threat that Washington has brought to Russia has given Washington a chance to hold on to a major industrial complex that serves the Russian economy and military. The people themselves in eastern Ukraine are in the streets demanding separation from the unelected government that Washington’s coup has imposed in Kiev. Washington, realizing that its incompetence has lost Crimea, had its Kiev stooges appoint Ukrainian oligarchs, against whom the Maiden protests were partly directed, to governing positions in eastern Ukraine cities. These oligarchs have their own private militias in addition to the police and any Ukrainian military units that are still functioning. The leaders of the protesting Russians are being arrested and disappeared. Washington and its EU puppets, who proclaim their support for self-determination, are only for self-determination when it can be orchestrated in their favor. Therefore, Washington is busy at work suppressing self-determination in eastern Ukraine.

This is a dilemma for Putin. His low-key approach has allowed Washington to seize the initiative in eastern Ukraine. The oligarchs Taruta and Kolomoyskiy have been put in power in Donetsk and Dnipropetrovsk, and are carrying out arrests of Russians and committing unspeakable crimes, but you will never hear of it from the US presstitutes. Washington’s strategy is to arrest and deep-six the leaders of the secessionists so that there no authorities to request Putin’s intervention.

If Putin has drones, he has the option of taking out Taruta and Kolomoyskiy. If Putin lets Washington retain the Russian provinces of eastern Ukraine, he will have demonstrated a weakness that Washington will exploit. Washington will exploit the weakness to the point that Washington forces Putin to war.

The war will be nuclear.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby FourthBase » Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:28 pm

It has to be said: PCR and Boiling Frogs in general is about as bad as Russia Today.
So far, I haven't really noticed whether Edmonds herself has the same biases.

The irony of him referring to "US presstitutes" is rich.
He is a leading presstitute for Russia/Iran/China.
Doesn't even attempt to be objective, usually.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby justdrew » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:33 pm

FourthBase » 07 Mar 2014 16:28 wrote:It has to be said: PCR and Boiling Frogs in general is about as bad as Russia Today.
So far, I haven't really noticed whether Edmonds herself has the same biases.

The irony of him referring to "US presstitutes" is rich.
He is a leading presstitute for Russia/Iran/China.
Doesn't even attempt to be objective, usually.


you just can't fucking wait to go back to your childhood cold war fantasies. It's pathetic.

I dare you to list the "crimes" of putin. Can you list even three things worth a damn that amount to jack or shit?
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby FourthBase » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:01 pm

justdrew » 07 Mar 2014 20:33 wrote:
FourthBase » 07 Mar 2014 16:28 wrote:It has to be said: PCR and Boiling Frogs in general is about as bad as Russia Today.
So far, I haven't really noticed whether Edmonds herself has the same biases.

The irony of him referring to "US presstitutes" is rich.
He is a leading presstitute for Russia/Iran/China.
Doesn't even attempt to be objective, usually.


you just can't fucking wait to go back to your childhood cold war fantasies. It's pathetic.

I dare you to list the "crimes" of putin. Can you list even three things worth a damn that amount to jack or shit?


You've got to be shitting me.
You just put crimes in air quotes?
And you think three is a tall order, lol?

ARE YOU DRUNK?
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby justdrew » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:12 pm

I notice you didn't answer the question
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:15 pm

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Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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