Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[Canadian_watcher]

All I know is that it sure as hell is not generally needed to have armored personnel carriers and paramilitary forcing people out of there homes block by block....

Especially considering that it didn't happen. People were not forced out of their homes block by block.

I'm pretty sure that there weren't armored personnel carriers, either.

caption under this photo: "A police sniper mans his rifle atop an armored personnel carrier during a police assault on a house on Franklin Street during the search for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings, in Watertown, Massachusetts April 19, 2013. PHOTO: REUTERS"

link: http://tribune.com.pk/story/538165/boston-bomb-suspect-in-serious-condition-police/

And while they've got their toys out, they're going to use them for whatever they want (this is why I think marital law should be declared officially - so that it can be CALLED OFF officially

By SIMÓN RIOS
link: http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130402/NEWS/304020344

Michael Mendes, 33, of 4B Ladd Avenue, refused to leave his home after [police responded to a report of a domestic disturbance involving a young child around 2:20 p.m., according to Wareham Police Chief Richard Stanley.

"As the situation developed, there was a fear that there may be a weapon in the house," Stanley said following the incident, which ended peacefully.

"There were no hostages, never any fear of any individuals being in there held against their will, but there were concerns that within the home there were weapons."

Police said Mendes' son was initially in the home, though the man released the boy without incident. A neighbor said the child was a little over a year old.

Around 2:30 p.m., multiple neighbors were evacuated from their Ladd Avenue homes for concern that Mendes might have a firearm.

Wareham police set up a perimeter and contacted the state police Special Tactical Operations Team, which responded with a BearCat armored personnel carrier — the same model deployed during a four-hour standoff and shootout on Phillips Road in New Bedford on Thursday.

State police blocked off a portion of Route 6 leading to Ladd Avenue until the situation was resolved.

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All I know is that it sure as hell is not generally needed to have armored personnel carriers and paramilitary forcing people out of there homes block by block....

Especially considering that it didn't happen. People were not forced out of their homes block by block.

I'm pretty sure that there weren't armored personnel carriers, either.

caption under this photo: "A police sniper mans his rifle atop an armored personnel carrier during a police assault on a house on Franklin Street during the search for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings, in Watertown, Massachusetts April 19, 2013. PHOTO: REUTERS"

link: http://tribune.com.pk/story/538165/boston-bomb-suspect-in-serious-condition-police/

My mistake.

And while they've got their toys out, they're going to use them for whatever they want (this is why I think marital law should be declared officially - so that it can be CALLED OFF officially

Fortune-telling has its points. But I don't see what you're gaining by it here, although I'm sure you'll be right, eventually, wrt the use of the equipment.

The unshakeable belief that what happened in Boston shows that there's a plan/wish/intention to use those toys and that power on innocent citizens for repressive purposes is, atm, based on what, exactly? What do you want them to stop doing by calling it off?

They didn't use the toys/power on citizens. They didn't deploy them in the streets of Boston generally in order to keep the populace in its homes. They didn't, in fact, do that. People went out. They also didn't enter homes by force for no reason, afaik. And they might not even have entered homes in Watertown systematically, afaik. Because I haven't read any reports or accounts describing that kind of search. Not to put to fine a point on it, but there's not one, lone, measly complaint about the entire thing that's not from someone who was repressed via the internet.

And if the problem isn't how they use them, but merely that the fact of their having them makes it possible, guess what? Putting them away won't change that. Which is why taking them out also didn't.

The police are armed. They have SWAT teams. And all kinds of tactical gear and weaponry. That's always true. It's not a new thing. Photographs of it in the newspaper don't automatically increase the odds of their using it. That depends on how and why they used it, with what result.

Michael Mendes, 33, of 4B Ladd Avenue, refused to leave his home after [police responded to a report of a domestic disturbance involving a young child around 2:20 p.m., according to Wareham Police Chief Richard Stanley.

"As the situation developed, there was a fear that there may be a weapon in the house," Stanley said following the incident, which ended peacefully.

"There were no hostages, never any fear of any individuals being in there held against their will, but there were concerns that within the home there were weapons."

Police said Mendes' son was initially in the home, though the man released the boy without incident. A neighbor said the child was a little over a year old.

Around 2:30 p.m., multiple neighbors were evacuated from their Ladd Avenue homes for concern that Mendes might have a firearm.

Wareham police set up a perimeter and contacted the state police Special Tactical Operations Team, which responded with a BearCat armored personnel carrier — the same model deployed during a four-hour standoff and shootout on Phillips Road in New Bedford on Thursday.

State police blocked off a portion of Route 6 leading to Ladd Avenue until the situation was resolved.

And?

[Canadian_watcher]

And while they've got their toys out, they're going to use them for whatever they want (this is why I think marital law should be declared officially - so that it can be CALLED OFF officially

Fortune-telling has its points. But I don't see what you're gaining by it here, although I'm sure you'll be right, eventually, wrt the use of the equipment.

It's not fortune telling, its reporting. did you even read the post? They USED a BearCat armoured personnel carrier to respond to a report of a domestic disturbance. I posted the article to show that. I bolded the relevant section.

And about the APCs generally - how have you NOT seen them. Are you actually following the Boston thing at all or are you just reacting emotionally to right v left talking points?

edited to take out huge picture and text that went along with it.

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From Compared to What:

Especially considering that it didn't happen. People were not forced out of their homes block by block.

I'm pretty sure that there weren't armored personnel carriers, either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8



Well it seems from this image and video that there were people forced from their homes

I don't see people or homes in that image. And that video

(a) plainly shows that they're not going house to house, forcing people from their homes;

(b) doesn't plainly show much -- ie, no indication who, what, when, why; no names; no known outcome; no reason to presume that they were or weren't busting people for something/anything/nothing in the regular way one saw three times on every episode of Cops that ever aired; and

(c) is still the closest thing to evidence that the internet can produce, wrt to the whole, martial-law, excessive-use-of-force-on-the-populace-at-large thing, which is pathetic, considering that it's been a week, the size of the populace, and the 100 percent absence of testimony of any kind from anyone alleging forced removal from their homes.

In short: It's a video showing the cops being cops, posted anonymously to the internet by someone. They might be being bad cops. I wouldn't be surprised if they were. But concluding that it shows that innocent people were forced from their homes as part of the manhunt, in light of there being absolutely zero word from anyone -- including the people in that video, or their friends, family, and attorneys -- that it happened?

I don't know. But it strikes me as so close to groundless as to make no difference.

Seriously. I've seen blogs where that video is linked to in every entry, every time they use the words "martial law" or "forced from their homes" or whatever. Because that's the sum total of what we've got in support of the charge. That one video, over and over again.

and that there were heavy vehicles that had varying degrees of armor transporting paramilitary (cops outfitted with military gear) personnel around at least Watertown.

You were totally right, and I was totally wrong. I apologize.

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It's not fortune telling, its reporting. did you even read the post? They USED a BearCat armoured personnel carrier to respond to a report of a domestic disturbance. I posted the article to show that. I bolded the relevant section.

I thought you meant "used it for repression in a martial-law kind of a way."

And about the APCs generally - how have you NOT seen them. Are you actually following the Boston thing at all or are you just reacting emotionally to right v left talking points?

It was a mistake, that's all. I've seen them. The phrase just evokes a different image to me.

It's not a right-v-left thing, primarily. It's a scare-tactic thing. I wouldn't like it no matter whose agenda it served, or where it came from. If the state were doing it, I'd respond the same way. In this case, it's coming from patriots on the internet. But I'm not responsible for that. They are.

[Canadian_watcher]

It's not fortune telling, its reporting. did you even read the post? They USED a BearCat armoured personnel carrier to respond to a report of a domestic disturbance. I posted the article to show that. I bolded the relevant section.

I thought you meant "used it for repression in a martial-law kind of a way."

No, I meant it in a "they are now using tanks in everyday run of the mill policing and evacuating residents based on rumor" kind of way.

It's not a right-v-left thing, primarily. It's a scare-tactic thing. I wouldn't like it no matter whose agenda it served, or where it came from. If the state were doing it, I'd respond the same way. In this case, it's coming from patriots on the internet. But I'm not responsible for that. They are.

it's funny, because as I began reading these last few sentences you wrote I was bouyed! I had a whole different notion of where you might be going with it when you said, "It's a scare tactic thing." I thought you were talking about using the APCs for the domestic assault home visit. alas, you weren't.

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I mean, using that video to show that police forced the people of Watertown from their homes is like using the Gulf of Tonkin to show a cause for war.

it's funny, because as I began reading these last few sentences you wrote I was bouyed! I had a whole different notion of where you might be going with it when you said, "It's a scare tactic thing." I thought you were talking about using the APCs for the domestic assault home visit. alas, you weren't.

No, I wasn't.

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Honestly, I keep reconsidering it. But I just can't say that's what it is.

[Canadian_watcher]

I mean, using that video to show that police forced the people of Watertown from their homes is like using the Gulf of Tonkin to show a cause for war.

I didn't reference a video. perhaps your comment is misplaced here.
There are videos though, showing people being involuntarily removed from their homes. You've seen at least one of them, so I don't understand why you are insisting that it absolutely didn't happen.

it's funny, because as I began reading these last few sentences you wrote I was bouyed! I had a whole different notion of where you might be going with it when you said, "It's a scare tactic thing." I thought you were talking about using the APCs for the domestic assault home visit. alas, you weren't.

No, I wasn't.

...

Honestly, I keep reconsidering it. But I just can't say that's what it is.

You can't say that what's what what is?

edited to fix formating

[IanEye]

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i had a good home but eye left
eye had a good home but i left (right, left)

that big fucking bomb made me deaf (death)

humvee mechanic put his kevlar on wrong
a guarantee you’ll meet up with a suicide bomb

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[happenstance]

First interview with the carjacked man.

- "Danny tried to send telepathic messages to the officers inside"

- "Girls, credit limits for students, the marvels of the Mercedes ML 350 and the iPhone 5, whether anyone still listens to CDs -- all were discussed by the two 26-year-olds and the 19-year-old driving around on a Thursday night."

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/04 ... story.html

[8bitagent]

First interview with the carjacked man.

- "Danny tried to send telepathic messages to the officers inside"

- "Girls, credit limits for students, the marvels of the Mercedes ML 350 and the iPhone 5, whether anyone still listens to CDs -- all were discussed by the two 26-year-olds and the 19-year-old driving around on a Thursday night."

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/04 ... story.html

Maybe Im naive and a sucker, but I can buy pretty much the gist of what "Danny" has told the media and investigators.


Btw, if these brothers were followers of Alex Jones...why would they commit terrorism? The #1 point AJ mentions every day for over a decade is that terrorism is "black ops" and or always used by the state as a shock doctrine/P-R-S dialectic

[Sounder]

I keep telling myself to stay away from ‘conspiracy’ threads, but what the hell, in for a penny in for a pound.

It would seem that focus on response, events and implications moves the narrative away from the initial crimes in a premature manner.

"It's a miracle," he said Thursday in an interview with The Associated Press. "People keep saying, 'Don't you feel unlucky?' and I was actually the opposite — saying not only do I not feel unlucky, but I feel blessed that my wife could be 10 yards from the explosion and not have a scratch."

Hmmmm… !0 yards away and not a scratch. Yeah, that’s not odd at all, certainly not suggestive of fakery.

False flags and fakery are two totally distinct categories; so say our gods of discourse.

[stickdog99]

First they came for the Muslim, and I didn't speak out because they made made me feel safe and after all they just looked like an occupying force and had always been just as militarized and the things they were riding around in just looked like tanks.

Business as usual. No reason whatsoever for concern. To have a visceral negative response to such a show of force is to be harmfully alarmist, and every expressed subjective fear to such a show of force must be fully met with a lengthy, maximum strength, point by point gainsaying response to each and every quoted thoughtcrime.

[MacCruiskeen]

To anyone losing patience with this often bizarrely pointmissing (or point-avoiding) marathon thread, please read the mainstream news articles posted and linked to by stickdog99 on pp. 100-102. (The alleged interview with Anonymous "Danny", the allegedly carjacked driver, deserves some kind of a prize. It really does read like an unusually clumsy satire, but no, we're apparently expected to take it seriously. Maybe they're really testing the limits of how much bullshit people will swallow and still call caviare.)

Summary: Practically every single significant detail of of the entire "official story" -- fed to the world for over a week by "anonymous law enforcement sources" via the NYT and the rest of the mass media -- turns out to be one of two things:

1) an outrageous (and outrageously detailed) lie

or

2) an entirely unverifiable set of deeply self-incriminating alleged statements allegedly made by an allegedly wounded-and-speechless 20-year-old youth who might as well be in Guantanamo Bay to the fucking FBI & CIA, who have (see 1) lied shamelessly about practically everything else.

So why believe anything they say now?

The only honourable and remotely rational approach to this case is now, at the very latest, to reject anything and everything told to us by any official sources unless and until they provide incontrovertible and verifiable evidence to back it up. Not only is that only common sense, it's only common decency.

Dzokhar Tsernaev is innocent until proven guilty. Right? In other words, Dzokhar Tsernaev is innocent, as is his dead brother.

[barracuda]

Hmmmm… !0 yards away and not a scratch. Yeah, that’s not odd at all, certainly not suggestive of fakery.

False flags and fakery are two totally distinct categories; so say our gods of discourse.

I'm not exactly certain of what you're trying to say here, but your post led me to examine photos of the blast and calculate a thirty foot radius from the bomb to determine if the "not a scratch" statement was plausible.