#OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Project Willow » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:25 pm

^^ :lovehearts: !!!!!!! [on edit: I love you too Jeff, but those are for Rev Billy.]

I closed my BAD BIG BANK account today. I opened it almost 20 years ago at a locally owned institution that was eventually gobbled up by the BAD BIG BANK. When the branch manager asked me why I said, "Co-RrUP-Tion, sir."

Revolujah!

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But after the protesters delivered their “verdict” in front of Goldman Sachs, about a dozen of them sat down, linked arms and refused to comply with orders from the 1st Precinct ‘s commanding officer, Capt. Edward Winski, who told them they would be arrested if they didn’t move. West, who was arrested at an Occupy Wall Street event in October in Harlem, walked away before the arrests began.


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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby wordspeak2 » Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:52 pm

Wow. So that was... kids tagging a Whole Foods, and then someone jumps in and tries to stop them, and they beat on him, and then people come to his defense, and then it happens again?

Property destruction is completely idiotic and harmful for this movement right now. But I never felt that jumping in the way to stop it is going to be successful; you're just going to piss the kids off more.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Jeff » Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:10 pm

Project Willow wrote:^^ :lovehearts: !!!!!!! [on edit: I love you too Jeff, but those are for Rev Billy.]


Love you and the Reverend, too. (And that was an inspiring bit of direct action you perpetrated today!)
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby 2012 Countdown » Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:27 pm

Project Willow wrote:I closed my BAD BIG BANK account today. I opened it almost 20 years ago at a locally owned institution that was eventually gobbled up by the BAD BIG BANK. When the branch manager asked me why I said, "Co-RrUP-Tion, sir."

Revolujah!



650,000 Americans Joined Credit Unions Last Month — More Than In All Of 2010 Combined
By Zaid Jilani on Nov 3, 2011 at 2:50 pm

One of the tactics the 99 Percenters are using to take back the country from the 1 percent is to move their money from big banks to credit unions, community banks, and other smaller financial unions that aren’t gambling with our nation’s future.
Now, the Credit Union National Association (CUNA) reports that a whopping 650,000 Americans have joined credit unions since Sept. 29 — the date that Bank of America announced it would start charging a $5 monthly debit fee, a move it backed down on this week.
To put that in perspective, there were only 600,000 new members for credit unions in all of 2010. “These results indicate that consumers are clearly making a smarter choice by moving to credit unions where, on average, they will save about $70 a year in fewer or no fees, lower rates on loans and higher return on savings,” said CUNA President Bill Cheney.
This Saturday, 99 Percenters are calling on Americans to move their money from big banks to credit unions and community banks on what is being called “Bank Transfer Day.” If you want to stand with the 99 Percent and take part in this action, use the Move Your Money project’s community bank and credit union finder tool to find out how.

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:50 pm

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It doesn’t make any sense!

The media, the politicians, the police, all the supporters of the old world, can’t understand and won’t understand what it is we’re up to. No leaders? No demands? No point! Perplexed and threatened, they can only lie, distort, and violently suppress us.

“You’ve made your point, now move along” is their refrain, showing that they’ve completely missed the point themselves.

What is the point? That we can’t go on like this any longer. That the system they represent has nothing more to offer us, no perspective, no future.

If we don’t have any leaders, it’s because we don’t want to be followers; we don’t want our movement’s energy to be channelled back into the same old fake ‘solutions’.

If we haven’t put forward any narrow demands (which capital would love to turn back against us), it’s because we understand that the problem lies deeper than a few demands could fix…

Capital’s reach seems total…

Everywhere we look, our world and our lives are increasingly subjected to the logic of capital, the need for commodities and money to make more commodities and money, the triumph of profit over human needs and desires.

The violent expansion of capitalism over the last few centuries has seen its reach extend to every corner of the globe, and its logic shape every aspect of our lives. What we do to survive, what we do for fun, our sexuality, our gender, every role that we play has been intimately shaped by capital’s domination. Capital turns us into objects and uses us when it’s profitable, and spits us out when it’s not. Thousands each day die of hunger and disease because it’s not profitable to feed them or heal them. Hundreds of millions live in shanty towns and slums because there’s no money to be made building decent houses. The environmental crisis spirals further out of control, because it’s not profitable to stop it. Productivity is ever-increasing, abundance is everywhere, and yet it’s impossible to live a decent life unless you can find a way to get money. Over two billion humans can’t get jobs even if they wanted them because capitalism has no need for them. And billions more waste their lives doing pointless soul-crushing, health-destroying work that exists only to make someone, somewhere a profit. Even where our jobs could be useful, the logic of money has shaped them so utterly that they might as well not be.

…and yet we know things could be different

If there’s one thing that stands out about this occupation, and the occupations worldwide, it’s the amazing mutual aid and community that has developed around them. All sorts of people from all sorts of different backgrounds are coming together and becoming open to new perspectives, questioning old assumptions, putting time and energy into things they find useful, actively communicating with each other and relating to each other as humans, without the filter of money.

We’re getting a taste of a new kind of life, of how life could be if we weren’t stuck with such an absurd and obscene social system.

What we’re glimpsing is the possibility of a post-capitalist world, where human relations aren’t commercial transactions, where goods don’t represent money but a concrete means to satisfy real human needs. A world in which competing corporations and warring nations are replaced by a real, human community that uses the resources of all for the benefit of all. Such a world could be called communism but has nothing in common with the state-capitalist regimes that exist or existed in Russia, China and Cuba. Nothing is changed fundamentally if capitalists are replaced with bureaucrats with “better intentions”. Those regimes were not only thoroughly undemocratic, they also perpetuate wage-labor, exploitation and oppression of the vast majority of the population. The change must go deeper and must free the oppressed, make them part of a real democracy instead of the lie we have today.

Meanwhile…

Capitalism is in crisis, and its states have no choice but to go on the attack. Capital’s profit has been slipping for years, and its representatives are rushing to save it, no matter what the cost to us. Governments across the world of all stripes – Socialist governments in Spain and Greece, Conservatives in the UK, Democrats in the USA, despots in Syria, Tunisia and Egypt, Labour in Australia… all are bound to the logic of capital. All must keep the economy afloat, and that means by attacking us – whether it’s directly through austerity measures that make us suffer for capital’s profit, or more subtly by massive public spending that increases inflation and makes us effectively poorer anyway. Whatever political party gets in, they’ll still have the economy – capitalism – to manage, and will do so at our expense, no matter how green, sustainable and democratic their rhetoric may be when they’re not in power…

On a similar note, we can’t let our movement be co-opted by the states-in-embryo. We can’t trust the wannabe bureaucrats (“spokespeople”) within the movement, and the political parties, unions and NGOs who want to represent us, and channel our discontent back into the usual forms, to neutralise it. There can be no leaders, and no quick fixes, to this system that cannot be fixed.

Capitalism is in crisis, and there is only one way out

If the police attack last Friday showed us anything, it’s that violence isn’t something we choose, neither is it something we can avoid.

“This is not a police state, we are here to demonstrate” goes the slogan, overlooking that police are integral to the state, which is in turn integral to capitalism, and that movements that merely demonstrate don’t challenge any of these.

If the Occupy movement is to actually move, if it is to become a real movement to abolish the present conditions, then the assemblies have to turn to the real satisfaction of our needs by breaking with the logic of capital. This requires us to go beyond mere symbolic protest, and act. We must occupy more than just the gardens, but also take over the streets, homes and buildings, expropriating goods and equipment. We need to go into offices, schools, detention centres, hospitals, factories etc. and find out what they do; transform their contents to be more in keeping with a new human society or else disassemble them completely and put them to new and exciting uses. And all the while we must continue to look out for, love and care for each other, and practice the mutual aid we’ve been practicing since the occupation began. We must come up with ways of meeting our needs and desires that involve neither wages nor money, neither compulsory labor nor administrative decision, and we must do this while looking out for one another and defending ourselves against everyone who stands against us.

Of course, the movement now is only small, but we can see it growing by the day. The more we talk and discuss and act, the more we occupy, the closer we come to a better world, a human world. Let nothing be taboo. Talk to everyone about the movement, identify its limits, and move beyond them.

Occupy everything. Take everything. Change everything.

This is just the beginning…

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:53 pm

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby jam.fuse » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:00 am

Had a girlfriend a year or two back who took part in protests against the restructuring of the university system in Germany for a weekend I think and rubbed elbows with blac bloccers whom she described as basically a bunch of assholes (albeit paraphrasing from memory).

http://occupylosangeles.org/?q=node/1516&page=1

The Black Bloc (what the "Oakland Liberation Front" mimics) is an intentionally disruptive tactic which has infiltrated and radicalized protests world wide. The core principles and tactics are: Vandalism, rioting, and street fighting. The Occupy Wall Street demonstrations, ongoing protests, and movement on the whole has defined itself in self stating principles at every assembly from the very beginning as "non violent". Search Google for Black Bloc to find out what it is... It will probably look like the photos you'll see all day on the sensationalist corporate owned media that is trying to divert the message away from corporate influence and corruption in government:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bl ... a=N&tab=wi

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby 82_28 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:58 am

jam.fuse wrote:Had a girlfriend a year or two back who took part in protests against the restructuring of the university system in Germany for a weekend I think and rubbed elbows with blac bloccers whom she described as basically a bunch of assholes (albeit paraphrasing from memory).

http://occupylosangeles.org/?q=node/1516&page=1

The Black Bloc (what the "Oakland Liberation Front" mimics) is an intentionally disruptive tactic which has infiltrated and radicalized protests world wide. The core principles and tactics are: Vandalism, rioting, and street fighting. The Occupy Wall Street demonstrations, ongoing protests, and movement on the whole has defined itself in self stating principles at every assembly from the very beginning as "non violent". Search Google for Black Bloc to find out what it is... It will probably look like the photos you'll see all day on the sensationalist corporate owned media that is trying to divert the message away from corporate influence and corruption in government:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bl ... a=N&tab=wi

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Indeed. Shun and ignore the "black bloc" at all costs. Nobody should be terrorized for any reason. The black block is mafia tactics through and through. They are agents and are not working in the real time concerned liberal Americans or any Earthly citizen are.

During the WTO "riots" I got the fuck the fuck out of downtown Seattle, when I saw the shit had gone from bad to worse. Live to see another day. These are not real people, they are paid. I live and work amongst real people that inhabit this city who are very left of "center". WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE BLACK BLOC MOTHERFUCKERS? Nobody for going on a decade now, even seems to know -- it literally just "happened". Nobody recognizes them ever. Which is bullshit. This is Seattle. Everybody knows everybody. It's a small city hemmed in by water, the people to the north and south don't know shit, there's no fucking "activism" outside the city whatsoever, should you not be a member of some super-church or tea party nonsense. Where the fuck did the agents provocateurs come from?

To this day and even more and more so since it went down (it was my first year in Seattle -- I just went down to check it out honestly), the WTO's meeting was more social psychological exercise than it was anything more than that -- I believe it was consciously provoked using APs after they had lured the unions and such in with their old fashioned marches. The models were run through some computer already. "What would the likely scenario be"? Now add in provocateurs. Profit.

I for one, didn't know shit about the "World Trade Agreement" in the sense of knowing how it would impact anybody. Money was loose back then. It just flowed. Especially here. That's why Seattle was "chosen", the agents let loose and everybody was caught unawares. Brilliant, really, once you draw in the unions in good faith. Toss in the paid for hooligans and you got your game awn.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby lupercal » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:00 am

^ sooooo true. Well put. I saw the vid and knew exactly what was going on but didn't know how to put it without sounding, well, cynical. But I've seen this very tactic in L.A. and elsewhere. I've also lived in Oakland and this whole business stinks of spook, sorry folks. HOW many times have I seen this frickin' movie? Well let's see, last time was poor ol' Grey Davis, Jerry's protege who got frickin recalled midterm and replaced by Ahnold after getting tarred with Enron, just like Jerry and Quan will get tarred with Oakland, so the bloodier the better. Win-win for the spooks: f*ck up Oakland to make it like it was before Jerry was mayor, blame it on Dems, and keep a massive national distraction going until they're safely out of election season which the only thing they fear. Not to worry, a little Ajax action and who would know Tuesday is election day, besides the land-line oldsters busy marking their mail-in ballots with the next batch of corporate stooges we'll all wonder who the hell elected?
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby smiths » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:44 am

there might be some people who do it for money or spooky incitement,

but some peope just love to smash things up,
they are alienated, they cant be fucked reading history books, and dont care about their fellows
i am sure it provides a great adrenaline rush
the french call them the 'Casseurs', which means the smashers
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby justdrew » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:08 am

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby wordspeak2 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:35 am

Yeah. While there are agent provocateurs here and there, the dozens or so of almost entirely young white males who comprise the "Black Bloc" or whatever current incarnation are immature individualist types who have been isolated from society and overtly don't believe in building a mass movement. Tons of them live in Eugene, Oregon. They may come off as a stereotype, but I've spent time in Eugene, and it's the reality.

They do read history, Smiths, but it's a uniquely revisionist history. I happen to think that the Weather Underground was a CIA operation, but that's another story. That's the history that these kids idealize, obviously. I've even seen anarchist material glorifying the Black Liberation Army, a 70's group that murdered cops. While I don't think that the kids themselves are getting paid by anyone, they're picking up on an ideology that's been tacitly supported by capitalist intelligence in order to self-destruct our movements and keep them from building mass appeal.

You're not going to stop them physically. I think all you can do is keep them in the conversation and continue to condemn the actions with unmistakeable clarity.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby 2012 Countdown » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:50 am

In the 'fuck Obama' thread, or here?

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POLL: #OWS MOVEMENT STRONGLY DISAPPROVES OF PRESIDENT OBAMA AND CONGRESS

by Christopher A. Guzman
Fri, Nov 04th 2011
While some claim that the Occupy Wall Street movement is nothing more than a mass effort to re-elect President Barack Obama, a Fordham University poll attempting to map the political DNA of protestors has revealed an intriguing find- there's a high disapproval rate of Obama and the political system as a whole in this emerging grassroots group.

The survey, conducted by the university's Center for Electoral Politics and Democracy, shows that 73% of those who identify with the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations disapprove of Barack Obama's handling of his job as president. Disapproval among those within this movement is significantly higher than the rest of the nation, as indicated by the latest Gallup finding that currently stands just below 50%.

Despite 60% of protestors voting for President Barack Obama in 2008, only 36% plan on voting for him again in the next election. The real blow to the president comes from those who don't plan on voting at all, in addition to those who will be casting their vote for another candidate- a combined 61% of Occupiers.

The Occupy movement's disapproval of Congress stood at 97%, higher than the latest disapproval finding from Americans overall. Like the country as a whole, many within the Occupy movement are skeptical of the federal government's effectiveness. When asked how much they can trust the government in Washington to do what is right, 52% stated that the feds can be trusted only some of the time, and 42% said that the feds can never be trusted. Also like the country as a whole, a top concern of the grassroots movement is the issue of "Unemployment and Jobs" (31%).

Even though it mirrors the Tea Party in its high disapproval rating of President Obama and Congress, the Occupy movement- by a large majority of 75%- has an unfavorable opinion of the Tea Party. Only 7% have a favorable view, and 18% say that they still haven't heard enough about it.

In what may not come as a surprise, much of the movement is made up of individuals who are more or less ideologically liberal. Additionally, 15% are moderate and a very small minority consider themselves in some way conservative. Along party lines, however, 39% do not support any political party at all.

Occupiers did make it clear that they're not fond of the Republican field, but it is also noteworthy that the two Republicans drawing double digit support from the liberal-leaning crowd included Congressman Ron Paul at 21% and a candidate classified as "Other" at 19%. This last part of the poll certainly fuels speculation as to how well a third party candidate would do in capturing the Occupy vote.

Other aspects brought to light by the poll included the fact that a majority of individuals in the movement don't identify themselves as part of a union by a 60%-40% margin. A large majority are white and males. There's also quite a mix when it comes to those who are employed versus those who are unemployed, and the education level of those involved. The average age of the protestors is 33.

The Fordham poll was conducted October 14-18, 2011 and was based on interviews with 301 respondents with a 78% response rate. Under the direction of Professor Costas Panagopoulos, a team of 15 researchers conducted the research of protestors in New York.

http://www.caivn.org/article/2011/11/04 ... d-congress
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:57 am

eyeno wrote:Black Bloc action in Oakland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWm2ZJbA ... r_embedded



Speaking of discrediting the movement...

This guy is trouble with a capital TROUBLE.

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Not that I have a problem with criticizing Israel, but this dude was screaming about "teh filthy Jooos" pretty much nonstop, and engaging in wildly ridiculous arguments with anyone who fell into his trap. He was really causing quite a scene, which, of course, is probably his job.

I suggested that one of the OWS regulars should follow him around with a sign that says "He's Not With Us" or some such, but I'm not sure how they ended up handling him.

Ugh.

As I said yesterday morning, I did get to the Hedges/West trial of Goldman Sachs, but since they weren't amplified, I really couldn't hear any of it so I went back to my office to listen over the internet.

I did get a few photos, though. Here's one:

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And here are a few more random shots from yesterday.

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