DrEvil wrote:And why are my speculations about mundane explanations for some things worth less than your speculations about something not being right. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy.
And one more thing for general consumption: Presstv.it is a state-owned Iranian broadcaster. I would trust them about as much as Fox News and Alex Jones put together (Among other things they're in the habit of having holocaust deniers on the air).
The article linked is nothing more than a pointed rehash of what was already reported by major media outlets. But kill the Axis of Evil messenger away.
No, it doesn't have to be a conspiracy of more than two individuals. But what evidence has been presented to you that has convinced you of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's guilt?
MICHAEL KUNZELMAN, Associated Press, By MICHAEL KUNZELMAN and EILEEN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Updated 4:36 pm, Friday, April 26, 2013
BOSTON (AP) — Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhohkar Tsarnaev was moved from a hospital to a federal prison medical center, while FBI agents searched for evidence Friday in a landfill near the college he was attending.
U.S. officials, meanwhile, said that the bombing suspects' mother had been added to a federal terrorism database about 18 months before the deadly attack — a disclosure that deepens the mystery around the Tsarnaev family and marked the first time American authorities acknowledged that Zubeidat Tsarnaeva had come under investigation before the tragedy.
The news is certain to fuel questions about whether the Obama administration missed opportunities to thwart the April 15 bombing that killed three people and wounded more than 260 at the finish line of the Boston race.
Tsarnaev, 19, was taken overnight from Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, where he was recovering from a gunshot wound to the throat and other injuries suffered during a getaway attempt, and transferred to the Federal Medical Center Devens, about 40 miles from Boston, the U.S. Marshals Service said. The facility at the former Fort Devens Army base treats federal prisoners.
Also, FBI agents picked through a landfill near the campus of the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, where Tsarnaev was a student. FBI spokesman Jim Martin would not say what investigators were looking for.
Tsarnaev is charged with joining with his older brother, now dead, in setting off the shrapnel-packed pressure-cooker bombs.
The brothers are ethnic Chechens from Russia who came to the U.S. about a decade ago with their parents. Investigators have said it appears that the brothers were angry about the U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Two government officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation, said the CIA had Zubeidat Tsarnaeva's name added to the terror database along with that of her son Tamerlan Tsarnaev after Russia contacted the agency in 2011 with concerns that the two were religious militants.
About six months earlier, the FBI investigated mother and son, also at Russia's request, one of the officials said. The FBI found no ties to terrorism. Previously U.S. officials had said only that the FBI investigated Tamerlan.
In an interview from Russia, Tsarnaeva said Friday that she has never been linked to terrorism. She said it would not surprise her if she were listed in a U.S. terror database.
"It's all lies and hypocrisy," she told The Associated Press from Dagestan. "I'm sick and tired of all this nonsense that they make up about me and my children. People know me as a regular person, and I've never been mixed up in any criminal intentions, especially any linked to terrorism."
Tsarnaeva faces shoplifting charges in the U.S. over the alleged theft of more than $1,624 worth of women's clothing from a Lord & Taylor department store in Natick, Mass., in 2012.
Earlier this week, she said she has been assured by lawyers that she would not be arrested if she traveled to the U.S., but she said she was still deciding whether to go. The suspects' father, Anzor Tsarnaev, said that he would leave Russia soon for the United States to visit one son and lay the other to rest.
A team of investigators from the U.S. Embassy in Moscow has questioned both parents in Russia this week, spending many hours with the mother in particular over two days.
Also on Thursday, officials said that three days after the Boston attack, the Tsarnaev brothers planned to drive to New York and bomb Times Square in a spur-of-the-moment scheme that fell apart almost immediately when they realized the SUV they had hijacked was low on gas. They had five pipe bombs and a pressure-cooker explosive in the vehicle, police said.
"We don't know if we would have been able to stop the terrorists had they arrived here from Boston," Mayor Michael Bloomberg said. "We're just thankful that we didn't have to find out that answer."
New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said Dzhokhar Tsarnaev told interrogators from his hospital bed that he and his brother decided the night of April 18 to launch an attempt in New York. But when the Tsarnaev brothers stopped at a gas station on the outskirts of Boston, the carjacking victim they were holding hostage escaped and called police, Kelly said.
Later that night, police intercepted the brothers in a gunbattle that left 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev dead.
The word of a short-lived plan to bomb Times Square made some New Yorkers shudder at the thought of another terrorist attack on the city.
Outside Penn Station, Wayne Harris, a schoolteacher from Queens, said: "We don't know when a terrorist attack will happen next in New York, but it will happen. It didn't happen this time, by the grace of God. God protected us this time." ___ Associated Press writer Colleen Long in New York and Julie Pace in Washington contributed to this story.
Please don't. Agnosticism at this stage is entirely appropriate, even refreshing. And, given this discussion's trajectory, it is also necessary.
"The most strongly enforced of all known taboos is the taboo against knowing who or what you really are behind the mask of your apparently separate, independent, and isolated ego."
As a result, Tsarnaev, 19, who is facing the possibility of the death penalty for his alleged role in last week's terror attack, will be represented by one of the most experienced and well respected public defenders in the country, Miriam Conrad.
Conrad heads the Federal Public Defender Office in Boston and her resume includes defending "shoe bomber" Richard Reid in 2001 for trying to blow up a Paris to Miami jetliner.
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Conrad, 56, has led the Federal Public Defender's Office since 2005. A graduate of Harvard Law School, she has defended a number of high profile terrorism cases.
In addition to defending Reid, Conrad represented represented Rezwan Ferdaus, a U.S. citizen of Bangladeshi ancestry who was sentenced to 17 years after he was found guilty of plotting an attack on the Capitol Building and the Pentagon.
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It's amazing how this intrepid defense attorney got Richard Reid's sentence reduced to life without possibility of parole for allegedly incompetently attempting to explode his shoe.
For those who have forgotten, here is what the "judge" who sentenced Richard Reid had to say right after Reid was sentenced:
Now, let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect.. Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals. As human beings, we reach out for justice.
You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether the officers of government do it or your attorney does it, or if you think you are a soldier, you are not—– you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not meet with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice. ...
What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today? ...
It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom, so that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for freedom’s sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf, have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges. ...
See that flag, Mr. Reid? That’s the flag of the United States of America . That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom. And it always will.
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In the 1974 film The Parallax View, directed by Alan J. Pakula, Warren Beatty plays a reporter attempting to uncover a conspiracy behind the assassination of a popular politician whose murder was covered up by a Warren Commission-style investigation. As Repo Man director Alex Cox mentions above, the Parallax Corporation that hires hit-men and patsies to create perfect political crimes in the movie is modeled on a Canadian company called Permindex, which Jim Garrison alleges did the same thing in attempts on the life of Charles de Gaulle and successfully in the assassination of JFK. In an earlier blog post, I detailed how this allegation has also been directed at an organization called World Vision, albeit in a slightly more convoluted manner. I'll get back to this subject later.
I've been admittedly obsessed by the recent interviews of Sibel Edmonds for The Corbett Report on Operation Gladio Plan B. As my last blog post illustrated, there is a connection between this and last week's Boston Bombings. In fact, as I write this, James Corbett just put up a new interview with Sibel Edmonds discussing the details of this connection, which I hope to synopsize/analyze in my next blog post. But in this post, I'd like to focus on an historical parallel that in some ways is actually closer to Gladio B than the original Gladio created by Allen Dulles. When Edmonds talked in Part Four about how Gladio B uses NGO connections with "sub-contractors" to deal drugs, smuggle arms, launder money and ultimately foment terror, it reminded me of what I've read about the way the CIA would use USAID (United States Agency for International Development) and religious organizations as a front for their activity in a particular region. Just as NGO's can fall back on the excuse of being "charity" organizations trying to "teach English", USAID and their affiliates fall back on the excuse of being "charity" organizations trying to "preach the gospel." This beggars the question: are they really parallel operations or flip sides of the same coin?
I bring up these points as a challenge to independent investigators where the Boston Bombings are concerned. It's important to look at all the evidence to sort out the real story. Once the identity of the two suspects, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, revealed a Chechen background, immediately the MSM narrative swung into the possibility of a connection with al-Qaeda. But remember: Gladio B NGOs use al-Qaeda as sub-contractors! Not only has Sibel Edmonds detailed this, but former FBI agent and Time Magazine Person of the Year Coleen Rowley recently wrote this piece naming exactly which Chechnya NGO to watch out for:
Chechen Terrorists and the Neocons April 19, 2013 The revelation that the family of the two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings was from Chechnya prompted new speculation about the attack as Islamic terrorism. Less discussed was the history of U.S. neocons supporting Chechen terrorists as a strategy to weaken Russia, as ex-FBI agent Coleen Rowley recalls.
By Coleen Rowley
I almost choked on my coffee listening to neoconservative Rudy Giuliani pompously claim on national TV that he was surprised about any Chechens being responsible for the Boston Marathon bombings because he’s never seen any indication that Chechen extremists harbored animosity toward the U.S.; Guiliani thought they were only focused on Russia.
Giuliani knows full well how the Chechen “terrorists” proved useful to the U.S. in keeping pressure on the Russians, much as the Afghan mujahedeen were used in the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan from 1980 to 1989. In fact, many neocons signed up as Chechnya’s “friends,” including former CIA Director James Woolsey.
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
For instance, see this 2004 article in the UK Guardian, entitled, “The Chechens’ American friends: The Washington neocons’ commitment to the war on terror evaporates in Chechnya, whose cause they have made their own.”
Author John Laughland wrote: “the leading group which pleads the Chechen cause is the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). The list of the self-styled ‘distinguished Americans’ who are its members is a roll call of the most prominent neoconservatives who so enthusiastically support the ‘war on terror.’
“They include Richard Perle, the notorious Pentagon adviser; Elliott Abrams of Iran-Contra fame; Kenneth Adelman, the former US ambassador to the UN who egged on the invasion of Iraq by predicting it would be ‘a cakewalk’; Midge Decter, biographer of Donald Rumsfeld and a director of the rightwing Heritage Foundation; Frank Gaffney of the militarist Centre for Security Policy; Bruce Jackson, former US military intelligence officer and one-time vice-president of Lockheed Martin, now president of the US Committee on Nato; Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute, a former admirer of Italian fascism and now a leading proponent of regime change in Iran; and R. James Woolsey, the former CIA director who is one of the leading cheerleaders behind George Bush’s plans to re-model the Muslim world along pro-US lines.”
The ACPC later sanitized “Chechnya” to “Caucasus” so it’s rebranded itself as the “American Committee for Peace in the Caucasus.”
Of course, Giuliani also just happens to be one of several neocons and corrupt politicians who took hundreds of thousands of dollars from MEK sources when that Iranian group was listed by the U.S. State Department as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO). The money paid for these American politicians to lobby (illegally under the Patriot Act) U.S. officials to get MEK off the FTO list.
Aside from the bit about MEK, which is an interesting digression I covered in an earlier post, the ACPC roll call sounds so similar to other groups like ATC in Turkey and AACC in Azerbaijan. Especially the names Richard Perle and Michael Ledeen, both heavy Gladio operatives. Which would be particularly auspicious if it could be proven that either of the Tsarnaev brothers had connections in this particular milieu. Is there evidence? Tamerlan Tsarnaev is dead, but apparently Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has indicated to authorities from his hospital bed that he and his brother acted alone, not as part of any terrorist network, and that his brother Tamerlan was the driving force behind the attacks.
A couple lone wolves. Case closed.
Except...
Well, for starters, there's the reaction of the relatives. Perhaps we can excuse the father wanting to believe the best of his sons, wanting to believe Tamerlan was first captured alive, then killed. I suppose the fact his literal next door neighbor when he was living in Kyrgyzstan happened to be the local organized crime boss is "just one of those things", doesn't mean anything other than borrowing the occasional cup of sugar like any other good neighbor. There's also the aunt who lives in the US who believes the whole thing was "staged" by the FBI to frame them. That could also be explained away as familial over-sympathetic speculation.
But the mother's story is a little more difficult to explain away like that. Her story about the FBI "set up" of her sons does not sound like idle speculation, but personal experience. "He was controlled by the FBI, like for three, five years," she said. "They knew what my son was doing, they knew what actions and what sites on the Internet he was going [to], they used to come...and talk to me...they were telling me that he was really a serious leader and they were afraid of him." Even Sibel Edmonds told RT that this type of behavior "fits exactly the recruitment style of the intelligence community." At first, the FBI refused to confirm this. Later, they admitted they interviewed Tamerlan two years ago because Russia was afraid he posed a threat, but they cleared him as not posing a threat! Yet, after clearing him, both the FBI and CIA put his name on their terror watch lists! Did the FBI know this could happen? How were the brothers able to get away with bombing the Boston Marathon?
Let's take a look back at the fateful day, April 15, 2013. There was a report of a drill being conducted by the Boston Bomb Squad that day, based on a tweet from the Boston Globe. There were bomb-sniffing dogs at both the start and finish lines of the marathon, profiled recently on 60 Minutes for their skills. There were law enforcement spotters on the roofs observed as well. Then the Tsarnaevs showed up, presumably with a pressure cooker bomb in each of their backpacks, since two bombs went off that day. But this series of pictures, posted by justdrew at Rigorous Intuition from 4chan, shows a different possibility.
Does that look like their backpack to you? Could it possibly be some other backpack? And who are those guys with the Craft Security hats? Some of those guys have been identified as with the National Guard, as part of a Civil Support Team in a WMD exercise apparently operating separately from the drill. Does that explanation account for all the men featured in these photos? Craft Security is a private contractor. Who was working for who and why? And just to get this straight in my own head, that's two separate bomb drills, on the same day and place two real bombs go off, and they don't notice anything suspicious mirroring their exercise?! It's almost comical, in a dark way that Rigorous Intuition's 8bitagent captured perfectly with the captioning of these photos.
And then there was Phase Two, the manhunt. Even more dizzying, complete with grenades-a-poppin' and guns-a-blazin'. I won't even bother to go into most of the inconsistencies there with the carjacking that a gas station attendant reports is of a Caucasian guy, who were are then told was let go by the Tsarnaevs (who told him they did the Boston Bombings) because he was not American, who we are then told is Chinese. I'm sure all those inconsistencies will be explained at Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's trial. If, of course, he lives to stand trial and if, of course this doesn't get shipped out for a Gitmo military tribunal like some real jingoists are asking for. But there is one inconsistency that has not been reported widely that probably won't go to trial that is highly suspicious noted by Justin Raimondo:
Nearly unnoticed in the dramatic denouement of Dzokhar’s capture: the apprehension of three people, including Dzokhar’s alleged girlfriend, in nearby New Bedford. The three were later released, but authorities reappeared at their apartment complex on Saturday and apparently detained two of the same men, who are reportedly from Kazakhstan: a van with consular license plates had earlier turned up in front of the complex, and a young woman was seen entering the van in a hurry. The Tsarnaev brothers weren’t lone nuts: they had help.
Maybe Tamerlan's #2 Dzhokhar really thinks they did it alone or maybe he's just indicating what he was told to relate. But I think the reality is neither one of them realized how heavily they were being manipulated. Is this all just an FBI sting gone SNAFU, like the first WTC bombing in 1993? Or are there deeper ties than that? I've got two different sources indicating the involvement of the CIA. First, from Sibel Edmonds:
In my latest interview for Boiling Frogs Post EyeOpener Report (See here) I emphasized the role of the CIA rather than the FBI in evaluating the Boston Terror incident. Why? Because: 1-the suspects 100% fit the CIA recruitment profile; 2-The region being central to the CIA covert operations since the 1990s; 3- The suspect’s travel to the region (not the FBI MO but the CIA); 4- The classic occurrence of the FBI closing the case per CIA request and pressure … and much more. Please watch my comprehensive interview with James Corbett here for more details on this: Watch Video
Now, take a look at what just popped up a few hours ago in relation to the above:
Tamerlan Tsarnaev Attended CIA-sponsored Workshop Tamerlan Tsarnaev attended a workshop sponsored by the CIA-linked Jamestown Foundation, Izvestia reports today (see English translation here). The Russian newspaper cites documents produced by the Counterintelligence Department Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia confirming that the NGO “Fund of Caucasus” held workshops in the summer of 2012 and Tsarnaev attended.
The Caucasus Fund was established in November, 2008, following the Geoergian-Ossetian conflict. The main purpose of the organization, according to Izvestia, is to “to recruit young people and intellectuals of the North Caucasus to enhance instability and extremism in the southern regions of Russia.” …
That's an intriguing lead, especially after clicking the English translation to find that Mr. Grand Chessboard himself, Zbigniew Brzezinski, is connected with this NGO. My second source on this is Daniel Hopsicker, who explores some fascinating connections with everyone's favorite Tsarnaev, Uncle Ruslan:
Was Boston Bombers ‘Uncle Ruslan’ with the CIA? Posted on April 22, 2013 by Daniel Hopsicker
The uncle of the two men who set off bombs at the Boston Marathon, who struck the only grace note in an otherwise horrific week, worked as a “consultant” for the Agency for International Development (USAID) a U.S. Government Agency often used for cover by agents of the CIA, in the former Soviet Republic of Kazakhstan during the “Wild West” days of the early 1990’s, when anything that wasn’t nailed down in that country was up for grabs.
One thing Uncle Ruslan said that may undercut the "losers" meme MSM keeps trumpeting from him is that someone radicalized them HERE in the US before Tamerlan Tsarnaev's attempt to leave the US for travel scared Russia into having the FBI clear him, the mysterious "Misha". Then there is Tamerlan's trip, which was predominately spent in Dagestan. Have there been any recent USAID (i.e. CIA) projects recently started in Dagestan just prior to Tamerlan's 2012 trip there? Surprise, surprise, World Vision enters the picture once again:
Bleak outlook for maternal and child health in the Russian North Caucasus Tue, 5 Apr 2011 00:57 GMT
Source: member // World Vision Middle East/Eastern Europe/ CA office
Maternal and infant mortality rates in Chechnya, Ingushetia, and other republics of the North Caucasus are up to three times higher than the Russian Federation average, according to medical experts* working in the region.
Inadequate primary health care and community health in Ingushetia and Dagestan in the North Caucasus, coupled with the ongoing political and socio-economic instability in the region all contribute to this bleak outlook for mothers and their infants.
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In response to this situation, World Vision, in cooperation with the Ministry of Health and financial support of USAID, recently launched the two-year 'Healthy Mothers for Healthy Children' project in Ingushetia and Dagestan to help improve maternal and child health care.
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This is the only project that is currently addressing maternal and infant healthcare in Ingushetia and Dagestan. World Vision is the sole international agency working in Ingushetia and one of the few international agencies in Dagestan.
The link above is a secondary link source. Funny thing, the original link for the World Vision article was operative 4 days ago when I posted it to Rigorous Intuition, now it's been scrubbed. Even if you want to overlook the fact the former President of World Vision in the 70's was John W. Hinckley Sr.,or discard the possibility that this was a Parallax-style center for Manchurian Candidates like Mark David Chapman, it's pretty difficult, given the history between the CIA and USAID over the course of the Cold War, to disprove the relationship between World Vision and the CIA:
This link between missionary and intelligence for capitalistic infiltration operations goes way back. It was part of the internationalism with the Rockefellers. It's talked about in a book called Thy Will Be Done[4] about Rockefeller, Venezuela, and Latin American Oil, the Summer Linguistic Institute, World Vision and others. But they operated in this way for a long time.
They were paid by the CIA for a long time during the Vietnam war and went into SE Asia -- Cambodia and Laos. Throughout Vietnam they were given U.S. military equipment to use. They still maintain a budget under USAID, which was just (Agency for International Development), which was just a pass-over in order to give the CIA more cover. They ran operations through USAID. The current cover replacing that is the NED (National Endowment for Democracy), which is supposed to be how we're exporting democracy around the world.
But of course, we're exporting exactly the kind of corrupt democracy we have here, which is rigged and manipulated elections and press manipulation in order to keep in power or put in power the people that we want to be in those countries for the purpose of having our investments protected and milking what we can out of the resources and the labor available in any of those countries.
USAID was also used by the University of Chicago in an attempt to train Chilean students to counter leftists with the appeal (or lack of appeal as it turned out) of Friedman-style extreme capitalism, which eventually evolved into the "Shock Doctrine" tactics under Pinochet detailed in Naomi Klein's book. Speaking of "extreme capitalism", there is one more dark actor to add to the mix of connections with the Boston Bombings.
Boston bombers ‘Uncle Ruslan’ was Halliburton contractor Posted on April 24, 2013 by Daniel Hopsicker
Out on the ragged bleeding edge of the former Soviet Union, Ruslan Tsarni had a decade-long business relationship with Halliburton, the multinational juggernaut run by Dick Cheney before he became Vice President of the United States.
Delving into the business connections of “Uncle Ruslan” Tsarni, as he became known after his well-received condemnation of the atrocities allegedly committed by his nephews Dzhokhar and Tamerlan at the Boston Marathon has led to the discovery of the Rosetta Stone of the Boston Marathon bombing.
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Oddly enough, just six months ago the country competing with the US for influence in the region, Vladimir Putin’s Russia, unceremoniously kicked USAID out of Russia for, Putin spokesmen alleged, encouraging his political opposition.
However Ruslan’s involvement with USAID, while suggestive, might still be irrelevant, were it not for the discovery of his decade-long involvement with companies in the orbit of the Sun God, Halliburton, which stands accused in numerous and increasingly-credible accounts as "lead dog" in an invading force of “non-state actors.”
It's important to understand this point about Halliburton: their subsidiary is linked to the A.Q. Khan network as the "unnamed American company" which I detailed in the first edition of American Judas. Terror attacks like the Boston Bombings literally put food on their bloody tables! Whether it's Gladio B or a different CIA-USAID black op, the motive is the same and the money all traces back to the same nucleus of Machiavellian manipulators that slip between DC and Wall Street just as easily as they do between Turkey and Chechnya.
So that Dave Lindorff's really admirable article -- about the "inexplicable" secrecy surrounding those Craft International mercenaries at the Boston finishing-line -- doesn't get lost in the swamp, I am going to start a new thread with it. That is what investigative journalism looks like. It is essential reading.
And they are what trained killers look like. Anyone seriously interested in seeing this crime solved must want to know who they are, how they were armed, who hired them, when exactly, and exactly what their assigned task was. And must insist on verifiable evidence. They are most certainly persons of interest -- and god knows not least because of the "inexplicable" secrecy about their presence before & during the bombing, and especially the sheer shiftiness of their (non)-response to Lindorff's perfectly reasonable questions since then.
ON EDIT: Why the fucking rucksacks, for a start? Why?
"Ich kann gar nicht so viel fressen, wie ich kotzen möchte." - Max Liebermann,, Berlin, 1933
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." - Richard Feynman, NYC, 1966
Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best. Currently, I think the simplest explanation is that these two brothers are out and out patsies. I don't think they ever had any bombs or guns that were not planted on them. I don't think they killed the MIT officer for no reason. I think the firefights were cops vs. cops or cops vs. black ops. YMMV
I haven't heard a peep about any ballistic evidence linking these two to any shooting. I haven't heard a peep about the results of the older brother's autopsy. I haven't seen any video evidence showing either one setting down a backpack, then walking away from it. I haven't seen any video or photographic evidence they ever had any pressure cooker bombs. I haven't seen any on the record statements about what the younger brother has told the FBI.
What I have seen that hasn't been proven a lie, disinfo or at best misinfo all comes from Danny Boy.
stickdog99 wrote:Maybe this whole thing is a Rorschach test.
Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best. Currently, I think the simplest explanation is that these two brothers are out and out patsies. I don't think they ever had any bombs or guns that were not planted on them. I don't think they killed the MIT officer for no reason. I think the firefights were cops vs. cops or cops vs. black ops. YMMV
I haven't heard a peep about any ballistic evidence linking these two to any shooting. I haven't heard a peep about the results of the older brother's autopsy. I haven't seen any video evidence showing either one setting down a backpack, then walking away from it. I haven't seen any video or photographic evidence they ever had any pressure cooker bombs. I haven't seen any on the record statements about what the younger brother has told the FBI.
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Exactly.
What I have seen that hasn't been proven a lie, disinfo or at best misinfo all comes from Danny Boy
Yup. Either that or it has been attributed -- unverifiably, by nameless spooks -- to the imprisoned and entirely inaccessible Dzokhar (who, according to his mother, can in fact neither speak nor write).
"Ich kann gar nicht so viel fressen, wie ich kotzen möchte." - Max Liebermann,, Berlin, 1933
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." - Richard Feynman, NYC, 1966
@Simulist: Thanks, and don't worry. Never said I would stop typing (Sorry Mac)
stickdog99 wrote:No, it doesn't have to be a conspiracy of more than two individuals. But what evidence has been presented to you that has convinced you of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's guilt?
This is actually a great example of what I meant. In my previous post (which I wrote hours ago) I clearly said that I have no firm opinion on this case either way. I even used italics on "I just don't know". Damn, I even said "This stinks to high heaven".
So it took only a few hours for me to go from "not knowing" to me being "convinced" that Dzokhar is guilty. It's this kind of sloppy "logic" and applying motives and opinions where there are none that pisses me off.
Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups.
"I only read American. I want my fantasy pure." - Dave
seems a little odd that other than that text posted where a guy called around trying to find who theoretically brought Craft to the BM (and it's posted to a few other sites as well), no one has ever uttered the phrase "Craft Security Consultants" on the internet. Seems a little odd...
By 1964 there were 1.5 million mobile phone users in the US
That sort of silly tactic doesn't work on me, and it shouldn't work on anyone else.
"The most strongly enforced of all known taboos is the taboo against knowing who or what you really are behind the mask of your apparently separate, independent, and isolated ego."
DrEvil wrote:@Simulist: Thanks, and don't worry. Never said I would stop typing (Sorry Mac)
stickdog99 wrote:No, it doesn't have to be a conspiracy of more than two individuals. But what evidence has been presented to you that has convinced you of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's guilt?
This is actually a great example of what I meant. In my previous post (which I wrote hours ago) I clearly said that I have no firm opinion on this case either way. I even used italics on "I just don't know". Damn, I even said "This stinks to high heaven".
So it took only a few hours for me to go from "not knowing" to me being "convinced" that Dzokhar is guilty. It's this kind of sloppy "logic" and applying motives and opinions where there are none that pisses me off.
Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups.
Agnosticism is refreshing. Sorry I confused you with an atheist.
(Sorry Mac)
