TRUMP is seriously dangerous

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:41 am

Nah. His racism and face and gait makes me absolutely not want him at all even if he does upset the cart -- who is going to "fix" it (as in "repair" it) then? He is so incredibly ugly that I don't want him gumming up the amount of shit we're all going to have to deal with. He could get impeached on the first day. . .so could Clinton. I don't know what to tell you worldly jet-setters. Nothing is good about either of our choices. But shit be fucked.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Blue » Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:01 am

This denialist attitude is due partly to the religious convictions of such individuals; as the Christian congressman John Shimkus declared back in 2009, climate change isn't a concern because God assured Noah after the great deluge that "never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth" (Genesis 9:11). In other words, if anthropogenic global warming isn't compatible with the promises of Holy Scripture, then humanity shouldn't worry about it.

Leave it to a Republican to quote Genesis 9:11.

Mandatory reading for all candidates: This Changes Everything: Climate vs Capitalism by Naomi Kline.

Well, mandatory reading for everyone, really.

http://thischangeseverything.org/book/

But when it comes down to it, Trump knows better. He probably sees the climate chaos as a business opportunity as does the MIC, banksters, etc.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:32 am

kool maudit » Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:19 am wrote:Trump is superior on foreign policy (as a non-American, that's all I care about/have any stake in discussing) due to his desire for rapprochement with Russia and because he won the Republican nomination after very publicly deriding the Bush-led Iraq War in South Carolina.

Hillary is a committed Kosovo/Iraq/Libya/Syria (but strangely not Saudi Arabia) regime-change imperialist.

Beyond this difference, which is made narrower by Trump's seeming impulsiveness and unpredictability, all of the usual criticisms effectively stand.

But the regime change doctrine is a big one and Hillary is at its very centre. For this reason I will be mildly relieved in the event of a Trump victory.




HE SAID HE WOULDN'T TAKE FUCKING NUKING EUROPE OFF THE TABLE FOR FUCKING CHRIST SAKE

THAT'S SOME SUPERIOR FOREIGN POLICY YA GOT THERE
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby divideandconquer » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:39 am

If Trump subscribes to any organized religion at all (no candidate, Republican or Democrat, had a lower religiosity score...well, in his favor, at least he doesn't pretend) it's the "prosperity gospel" or "prosperity Christianity", an oxymoron if there every was one. His pastor was Normal Vincent Peale, one of the founding fathers of this prosperity Gospel movement.

In spite of those apparent religious shortcomings, however, it is not quite true that Trump lacks a personal faith tradition. He was baptized and confirmed at a Presbyterian church in the Queens neighborhood where he grew up. Later, his parents joined Marble Collegiate Church in Manhattan. The pastor there was Norman Vincent Peale, and it's the church Trump came to call his own
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Peale, who died in 1993, rarely talked about salvation. His message was more practical than theological. It echoes today in what's known as the Prosperity Gospel, practiced by megachurch televangelists who favor spectacle and say God chooses to reward some people with material wealth..


So, I guess today, when the largest and fastest growing Christian churches in America espouse a new type of Christianity called prosperity theology-- how you can read the Christian Gospel, the words and teachings of Jesus Christ, and conclude that economic success is the truest sign of God’s blessing is beyond me -- Trump makes perfect sense, because prosperity theology is the religious basis of corporate capitalism, promoting the sacrament of consumption and unsustainable development for the material benefit of the elite, the super rich.

In other words, in this deluded form of "Christianity", which could very well become the new world religion, the wealthy and powerful become god, while the poor, who must be nonbelievers, devils, or at the very least, the worst kind of sinners, because they obviously aren't worthy of God's blessing must also not be worthy of any human rights at all. Right now, this dynamic is playing out before our very eyes, just waiting to be anointed, consecrated, transformed into global doctrine. What these foolish people do not realize is that they will fall into the category that is denied the prosperity, human rights, quality of life, that they so desperately believe they deserve.
'I see clearly that man in this world deceives himself by admiring and esteeming things which are not, and neither sees nor esteems the things which are.' — St. Catherine of Genoa
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:42 am

Theonomic Reconstructionism: One God, One Vote:
Howard Ahmason, Sr.

Died: 1968

Savings and loan mogul. Founder of Home Savings of America. The Ahmanson Theatre in Los Angeles is named for the Ahmanson family.

Location:

Great Mausoleum

Theonomic Reconstructionism:
One God, One Vote:


Theonomic Reconstructionism is a belief that the only true authority is God's, that allegiance to biblical laws trumps that of civic law and that the Kingdom of Heaven needs to be built on Earth before Jesus will come again. In addition to that, homosexuals should be put to death, women should be banned from civic office, apostates and heretics should be stoned to death and there is a great need for more Christian politicians.

According to the Reconstructionists, Jesus would do what Howard Ahmanson did. Ahmanson inherited his money from his father, owner of Home Savings & Loan (during the S&L scandal of the Reagan years, Home's investors, mostly small family investments, lost over $150 million dollars. No one went to jail). In addition to funding PACs and think tanks, Howard Jr. parlayed his fortune into the majority stock of a business called American Information Systems (AIS) started by two enterprising brothers, Todd and Bob Urosevich. AIS later merged with Business Records Corporation (BRC) and became Election Systems & Solutions (ES&S). ES&S is the number one provider of touch-screen voting machines. Their website claims that their products were used in collecting 56% of the national vote in the last presidential elections.

Todd Urosevich is now Vice President of ES&S. Strangely enough, brother Bob moved on to head the second largest computerized vote-counting business, Global Election Systems, recently purchased by ATM and security giant Diebold. (They now have both the Ohio and Georgia contracts.) In a round table swap of incestuous patronage the previous executives of Global moved on to head the third largest vote-counting company in the nation, Advanced Voting Systems. Combined, these three corporations will process nearly 80% of the next nationwide elections.

http://www.tabletnewspaper.com/politics/73_tftgk.html


"My goal is the total integration of biblical law into our lives.

Money: Howard Ahmanson Jr.

"The Episcopal Church split is only a small part of Ahmanson's concerted efforts to radically transform not only American religion, but the nation's moral culture and, thereby, the country itself. His money has made possible some of the most pivotal conservative movements in America's recent history, including the 1994 GOP takeover of the California Assembly, a ban on gay marriage and affirmative action in California, and the mounting nationwide campaign to prove Darwin wrong about evolution. His financial influence also helped propel the recent campaign to recall California Gov. Gray Davis. And besides contributing cash to George W. Bush's 2000 presidential campaign, Ahmanson has played an important role in driving Bush's domestic agenda by financing the career of Marvin Olasky, a conservative intellectual whose ideas inspired the creation of the new White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives.

After more than 20 years of politically oriented philanthropy, Ahmanson is now emerging as one of the major financial angels of the right, putting him in the company of Richard Mellon Scaife, the oil and banking heir who bankrolled the groundwork for much of the conservative movement's apparatus and became a household name in the 1990s thanks to his $2.4 million dirty-tricks campaign against President Bill Clinton." (Max Blumenthal, salon.com 1/6/04 - read complete article).

Quotes

"My goal is the total integration of biblical law into our lives. (Orange County Register, 1985)

Links
Three New Testament Roots of Economic Liberty, by Howard Ahmanson, Religion & Liberty 1997
Ahmanson makes the biblical argument for no minimum wage, no right to healthcare, and no requirement for compassion towards the poor - good thing god made him a wealthy man (he inherited $300,000,000 from his dad at age 18)!

http://www.joelp.com/americanfundamenta ... st/ahman...

Home Savings buildings, 2600 Wilshire,

An example of "Italian Fascist architecture,"



The Christian Right has shown impressive resilience and has rebounded dramatically after a series of embarrassing televangelist scandals of the late 1980s, the collapse of Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority, and the failed presidential bid of Pat Robertson. In the 1990s, Christian Right organizing went to the grassroots and exerted wide influence in American politics across the country.
There is no doubt that Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition gets much of the credit for this successful strategic shift to the local level. But another largely overlooked reason for the persistent success of the Christian Right is a theological shift since the 1960s. The catalyst for the shift is Christian Reconstructionism--arguably the driving ideology of the Christian Right in the 1990s.

The significance of the Reconstructionist movement is not its numbers, but the power of its ideas and their surprisingly rapid acceptance. Many on the Christian Right are unaware that they hold Reconstructionist ideas. Because as a theology it is controversial, even among evangelicals, many who are consciously influenced by it avoid the label. This furtiveness is not, however, as significant as the potency of the ideology itself. Generally, Reconstructionism seeks to replace democracy with a theocratic elite that would govern by imposing their interpretation of "Biblical Law." Reconstructionism would eliminate not only democracy but many of its manifestations, such as labor unions, civil rights laws, and public schools. Women would be generally relegated to hearth and home. Insufficiently Christian men would be denied citizenship, perhaps executed. So severe is this theocracy that it would extend capital punishment beyond such crimes as kidnapping, rape, and murder to include, among other things, blasphemy, heresy, adultery, and homosexuality.

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http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/chrisre1.html
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Novem5er » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:56 am

I've been wondering how so many fervent Christians I know can be supporting Trump, but D&C's above post makes perfect sense. SO many of the southern Christians I know are part of that prosperity gospel, if not in name, but by action. My Facebook feed is filled every week with calls for prayer - not for world peace or child hunger, but for personal assistance in self-indulgence.

"I applied for management! Pray for me y'all!"
"Little Christy is in the beauty pageant! Votes and prayers appreciated!"
"Starting new semester at business college! Prayers please!"

That's what people do in the South; they pray. But so often that prayers is directed at a someone's personal success and happiness. I understand that financial survival is paramount in America. Nobody wants to be homeless or put their family through the stress of being broke. I get that! But 'momma needs a new car!" is not an acceptable invocation of divine favor, in my book.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:59 am

momma needs that touch down

momma needs that Indy win

momma needs that hole in one
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:02 am

http://www.alternet.org/media/julian-as ... ax-returns

Julian Assange: Wikileaks 'Working On' Hacking Donald Trump’s Tax Returns
Asked if the DNC hack was "fair game" at such a critical juncture, Assange said, "It was definitely
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:09 am

Trump’s Love Affair with Nukes Is Actually a Threesome
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http://lobelog.com/trumps-love-affair-w ... threesome/


Democrats Are Still Divided on Israel, But Clinton Runs Way to the Right
http://www.juancole.com/2016/08/democra ... inton.html


who's fuckin running this country?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby kool maudit » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:14 am

seemslikeadream » Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:32 am wrote:

HE SAID HE WOULDN'T TAKE FUCKING NUKING EUROPE OFF THE TABLE FOR FUCKING CHRIST SAKE

THAT'S SOME SUPERIOR FOREIGN POLICY YA GOT THERE


Yeah, I know it is. Bleak, huh?

Trump did say he would not take the idea of using nuclear weapons in Europe off the table in the context of a second-strike situation. That is frightening and strange, particularly for me as I live in Europe. It was a very undesirable statement.

That said, a second-strike situation on European soil is a remote possibility, and one that becomes even more remote when you consider Trump's stated desire for better relations with Moscow (Clinton seeks to worsen those same relations, the only ones whose total deterioration would make a nuclear situation on the European continent even remotely possible).

So that's a bad but remote possibility. Meanwhile, Clinton's obvious belief in the regime-change doctrine would require absolutely no change in worlld politics, save her election, to kick into high gear. As of December, continuing on our present trajectory, a Clinton presidency could place the US on a collision course with Russia in Syria, could see the opening up of new fronts in that war so as to create a second Iraq (this time with a proxy-war element against the world's largest nuclear arsenal), and could see NATO furthering its Baltic build-up.

None of these things would require any change. They are not remote possibilities but things that would almost certainly occur given Clinton's stated goals and track record.

So yes, you're absolutely right: it is some superior foreign policy. It's not good foreign policy, but it's superior to that of Clinton.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:17 am

a mad man with the football ....sure go with that and since you don't live here and will not live under a trump.....


what don't you get ...trump is mentally ill


you have no clue what a mentally ill POTUS would do
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Elihu » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:19 am

Slad wins the thread with a devastating array of articles, Uncle!
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:22 am

^^^^^^

some people need to read through this thread...obviously they missed something



Clinton will not get us into a nuclear war......the safety of PLANET EARTH is resting on this election

and as a side note I don't want to live under a trump Supreme Court....call me selfish
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby kool maudit » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:22 am

You are acting as if he is running against a comparatively sane individual. If he were, he would obviously be a hugely undesirable choice.

But he is running against Hillary Clinton. An interventionist, a neoconservative, and the woman who sacked Libya, who supported the Iraqification of Syria, and whose assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland was central to the US-backed coup in Ukraine.

But as you noted, I don't live in the US and I don't have a vote. So rejoice!

But I will be mildly relieved to see a Trump victory in November.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby kool maudit » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:23 am

seemslikeadream » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:22 am wrote:Clinton will not get us into a nuclear war....



She is antagonistic to the world's other major nuclear power; her opponent is not.
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