Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[justdrew]

so still no word on this "Misha" character?

[Iamwhomiam]

What a nauseating farrago it all is. Shame on anyone who is "agnostic" [(©Simulist] about the burden of proof and the presumption of innocence, and double shame on anyone who credits the unverifiable word of murderous serial liars merely because they are powerful. No verifiable evidence -- none whatsoever -- has yet been provided that in way implicates either of those brothers in the heinous crime they are accused of perpetrating.

That's normal when the suspect's only just been arrested. The evidence and challenges to it come during the trial, which is when they have to prove his guilt in a public courtroom. The standard for what they've done so far is probable cause.

The presumption of innocence is a right to which the defendant is entitled by the state anyway. It's not limitless and applicable to everyone in the whole wide world. So Simulist not only has no cause for shame, but is fully entitled to his opinion. Because freedom of expression and thought is also a right.

Indeed. Also, the brothers' mother seems to have introduced doubt, ie mistaken identity, by claiming the naked guy was her son. I doubt they'll come to a just verdict, though. Guilty or not, they'll most probably try to get him to accept a plea 'cause of the Miranda thingie. And where could he be tried? Texas? How and where are they ever going to find his jury of peers?

[compared2what?]

I'm not sure they'll let him plead. The Miranda thingie is, unfortunately, probably not that much of an issue for them to get around, if it's a problem. If the FBI guy's affidavit is accurate, they don't have to use whatever he told them between that and when he lawyered up to get the conviction and probably the death penalty.

But maybe they will. I just doubt they'll be offering, first thing.

[thatsmystory]

A lot of this is about the media. They interview people with their legs blown off but refuse to to hold the government to account. That is nauseating. How can you interview a lady with her legs blown off and then turn around and ask softball questions of some bureaucrat? That is like 9/11. People jumped out of windows to their death and then the media had jack shit to say about all the bizarre government conduct in the lead up to the attacks.

[8bitagent]

Craft Security is a private contractor. Who was working for who and why? And just to get this straight in my own head, that's two separate bomb drills, on the same day and place two real bombs go off, and they don't notice anything suspicious mirroring their exercise?! It's almost comical, in a dark way that Rigorous Intuition's 8bitagent captured perfectly with the captioning of these photos.

If it pleases the court, I'd like to submit this:

"Our purpose was to document the event"


People yammer on and on about "WTC7", yet right in our faces we have ample evidence of Israel playing at the very least an "observer" role in 9/11. The penetration of military/communications in 2001.
Israeli agents living down the street and at times next door to some of the hijackers in Florida. Two of the Israelis involved in the infamous "B Thing" art installation at the twin towers in 2000 later were
used to stake out several of the 9/11 hijackers in Florida and spy on Infocom in Dallas(a Hamas front) Then the "white vans" situation the morning of 9/11. We hear a lot about the "dancing Israelis" later
caught up to in their white van by New Jersey police. What many don't know is that the young men from Israel accused of cheering on across from the towers said that people need to understand that
they come from a country where terrorism happens all the time and that they were there to "document the event".

My theory has long been that the Israelis got advanced word of the attacks by 2000, and inserted numerous teams inside of America to "observe". To "see how it's going along". Kind of active LIHOP plus.
I mean the day after 9/11 and once again in 2008 Netanyahu said "9/11 was very good for Israel". I have read that the reason for Israel's involvement in 9/11 was that they wanted America to see what "Islamic terror"
is like first hand and when 9/11 would happen it would make both the White House and US population VERY understanding and supportive of Israel.

If there can be a theory of Craft, perhaps they had advance warning and were there to "observe". Make sure the bogey hit the target so to speak. And yes, it is damn weird that their backpacks
sure look damn closer to the backpacks used than the Tsarnaev brothers.

Does anyone find it at all strange that other than the Time Square plot, virtually EVERY SINGLE 'Islamic terror plot' inside the US was being guided by FBI informants? Every one. I think even that
subway plot allegedly linked to Zawahiri. Yet the Brothers Boston are the first ones to be "independent" and clean skins?

[8bitagent]

Loose Ends Tied to House of Saud & Halliburton

for those who prefer their conspiracies thick

This shit is starting to get real. This shit is gaining traction.

Interesting stuff tho I am uncomfortable with the "fake" angle. And it's hard to tell if the Saudi kid thing was a red herring.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Craft Security is a private contractor. Who was working for who and why? And just to get this straight in my own head, that's two separate bomb drills, on the same day and place two real bombs go off, and they don't notice anything suspicious mirroring their exercise?! It's almost comical, in a dark way that Rigorous Intuition's 8bitagent captured perfectly with the captioning of these photos.

If it pleases the court, I'd like to submit this:

"Our purpose was to document the event"


People yammer on and on about "WTC7", yet right in our faces we have ample evidence of Israel playing at the very least an "observer" role in 9/11. The penetration of military/communications in 2001.
Israeli agents living down the street and at times next door to some of the hijackers in Florida. Two of the Israelis involved in the infamous "B Thing" art installation at the twin towers in 2000 later were
used to stake out several of the 9/11 hijackers in Florida and spy on Infocom in Dallas(a Hamas front) Then the "white vans" situation the morning of 9/11. We hear a lot about the "dancing Israelis" later
caught up to in their white van by New Jersey police. What many don't know is that the young men from Israel accused of cheering on across from the towers said that people need to understand that
they come from a country where terrorism happens all the time and that they were there to "document the event".

My theory has long been that the Israelis got advanced word of the attacks by 2000, and inserted numerous teams inside of America to "observe". To "see how it's going along". Kind of active LIHOP plus.
I mean the day after 9/11 and once again in 2008 Netanyahu said "9/11 was very good for Israel". I have read that the reason for Israel's involvement in 9/11 was that they wanted America to see what "Islamic terror"
is like first hand and when 9/11 would happen it would make both the White House and US population VERY understanding and supportive of Israel.

If there can be a theory of Craft, perhaps they had advance warning and were there to "observe". Make sure the bogey hit the target so to speak. And yes, it is damn weird that their backpacks
sure look damn closer to the backpacks used than the Tsarnaev brothers.

Does anyone find it at all strange that other than the Time Square plot, virtually EVERY SINGLE 'Islamic terror plot' inside the US was being guided by FBI informants? Every one. I think even that
subway plot allegedly linked to Zawahiri. Yet the Brothers Boston are the first ones to be "independent" and clean skins?

Fuckin' A Bingo! "Document the event". We're talking about the pictures of the guys on the ground wearing Craft hats. What about the law enforcement spotters on the roofs? What are the odds if a picture of them showed up they'd be wearing the same damn hats? Documenting the event. No wait, not them, they were part of the bomb drill. So their role in the drill was to spot...what? Perhaps that guy some here said resembles Ted Kaczinski who in one photo was seen with his backpack in his hand? It's late, my hypothesizing is getting into a weird area. Maybe Craft is just the 21st century equivalent of some seizure victim being carted away in an ambulance in Dallas. Or maybe they're the suits telling us we heard "echoes". Whatever they are, they sure don't seem to have OUR best interests at heart.

[stickdog99]

I'm not sure they'll let him plead. The Miranda thingie is, unfortunately, probably not that much of an issue for them to get around, if it's a problem. If the FBI guy's affidavit is accurate, they don't have to use whatever he told them between that and when he lawyered up to get the conviction and probably the death penalty.

But maybe they will. I just doubt they'll be offering, first thing.

WTF is their affidavit "evidence"? Danny Boy and only Danny Boy? Because that is the only "evidence" they have ever shared with us.

[lupercal]

^ welp, that one fell to pieces fast didn't it. Nice work sticky. A private security outfit HQed in Texas, who could have predicted that? Nonchalantly showing off their logo hats and gear on camera too. Drumming up business no doubt. Why waste an opportunity for some free "viral" advertising?

[justdrew]

a new feature... embeds of PRX radio programs! (there are some good ones from time to time. PRI next if possible)

[IanEye]

BOSTON — Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the man charged with setting off explosives that killed three people and wounded more than 260 others at the Boston Marathon,
has been moved from a hospital to a federal medical detention center as he continues to recover from injuries suffered during his effort to escape arrest in the days after the bombing,
the authorities said on Friday.

Mr. Tsarnaev, 19, was transferred from Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston to a locked medical facility for male prisoners at Fort Devens,
about 40 miles west the city, according to a statement from the United States Marshals Service.

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good morning Mr. Magpie
how are we today?
now you've stolen all the magic
& took my memory

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[FourthBase]

Yeah, a friend on Facebook was describing what the medical unit of Fort Devens is like. The younger brother is not in store for a pleasant experience, to say the least. Let me post what I replied:

Wow. Remind me never to wind up in prison. I've been locked in a psych ward for three weeks, but that had its comforts, believe it or not. Hell, but kind of comfy. Anyway, what a nightmare. You're almost free, and then the doctors ignore your infected leg like you're an inconsequential pest, and...you're dead.

But so...one assumes that Speed Bump's brother would get more attention and better treatment, seeing how keeping him alive for a trial so he can testify to his guilt would be a huge priority in the interests of truth and justice, right? Or is that the kind of hellish dungeon where he will be Oswalded, or rather, Ruby-ed, injected by some old-timey spooky medical school WASP who specializes in sensory deprivation and once partied at Bohemian Grove and used to experiment on inmates at Gitmo (William H. Anderson, for example, if he's still alive since I took his Harvard Extension class on Conspiracies) with some absurd unthinkable chemical that kills the kid slowly and plausibly and seemingly-naturally, or -- best case scenario, perhaps -- he's tortured and brainwashed (perhaps not for the first time) until he can recite the proper narrative?

If you remember names of doctors, the heads of staff, I would either post those names somewhere as subjects to scrutinize, or you could keep it all to yourself and find a bookie to place bets on Which Fort Devens Doctor Will Announce Tsarnaev's Untimely Death.

Also, the local news is just in love with James Alan Fox right now. WHDH calls him "Jaime", for some reason. He reeks of sinister highbrow bullshit. Licks/bites his lips with excitement when mentioning the "plan" to attack NYC. Overall, creepy. As is the Globe reporter they interviewed who was with Fox and "Danny", the reporter has this flat voice but a gleam in his eye as he recounts what "Danny" told him and Fox, going so far as to physically play-act how "Danny" rolled the window down, how one of the brothers reached in, etc. Must have been quite a rehearsal. Who is that reporter, and what is his deal? WHDH probably has the segment online. One of you link-hawks should find it.

So that it isn't lost/separated in the Craft spinoff thread: Yes, the pic of the exploded backpack has a white square that looks identical to the Guard/Craft backpack's white square. Did the brownish Guard/Craft dude drop his backpack, was it his backpack, since he's seen later without one? Or maybe it was just a backpack brought and deployed by someone on his team? Looks like the same fucking backpack, though, same brand and model, that is.

Anyway, someone mentioned the seizure in Dealey Plaza. As did I, in that Craft thread, in a way:

the point isn't just that there were such units. Of course, there should be! Just in case! You're right. The point is that two members of the MA unit were standing RIGHT THERE at seemingly RIGHT THEN or thereabouts, and should have noticed the two shady Tsarnaevs dropping a shady backpack and shadily walking away. If the Guard duo were still standing right in front of the LensCrafters at around 2:45-2:50, then they should be investigated for incompetence, negligence. Or worse. One of them has on a Craft International hat. (At first, I thought it might have been a promo hat for The Punisher movie, but the little flag on the right confirms it is Craft.) He might have bought it online on a whim, maybe it was a souvenir from a training session, maybe a gift from a friend or from family or from a boss, but maybe he is a Craft International employee and his day job is "solving problems with violence" as the company motto goes. Craft is a wannabe Blackwater. They do dirty, dirty things. Perhaps out of misplaced patriotism, perhaps out of greed. But, dirty. I do not assume with any certainty whatsoever that anything dirty happened at the marathon. But it's definitely worth knowing what the deal is with the two khaki pants guys. Maybe they were just at that spot briefly and moved away by the time 2:50 rolled around. Maybe at that time they were preoccupied with a person who came down with heatstroke at the corner of Boylston and Dartmouth. Maybe they were there, in front of LensCrafters, as the backpack was dropped, and should have noticed something wrong, and now owe the victims an apology for sucking at being observant. Maybe, more improbably, something worse -- but let's find out who they are first, let's see every photo of THEM to ascertain if or how badly they failed.

They aren't necessarily straight-up culprits.
Maybe the two khaki dudes would've been patsied, too?

Balls in the air. Barking at trees, plural. Still.
As stillrobertpaulsen says: Keep digging.

[Iamwhomiam]

I'm not sure they'll let him plead. The Miranda thingie is, unfortunately, probably not that much of an issue for them to get around, if it's a problem. If the FBI guy's affidavit is accurate, they don't have to use whatever he told them between that and when he lawyered up to get the conviction and probably the death penalty.

But maybe they will. I just doubt they'll be offering, first thing.

Yes, that's true, c2w?. I didn't think it out, not necessarily that that would have helped, though. About avoiding material learned before being Mirandized.

And you're probably right about a trial. Blood lust (& propaganda) demands a public display. And circumstantial evidence has sent many to their death. But I have a feeling he'll be spending his life after trial in solitary in a supermax facility. And maybe, most unfortunately, his attorney will become our next Lynne Stewart. But who knows? We'll see it all played out, but then again, maybe not. State secrets and all.

The piece Nordic posted only serves to deepen the mystery, if that's at all possible in this case.

[Iamwhomiam]

4thB, I certainly wouldn't play up Fox's role. Better to observe.

As far as the Crap hats... a plausible explanation-alibi would be the hats were gifts upon course completion for the Guard unit.

[compared2what?]

I'm not sure they'll let him plead. The Miranda thingie is, unfortunately, probably not that much of an issue for them to get around, if it's a problem. If the FBI guy's affidavit is accurate, they don't have to use whatever he told them between that and when he lawyered up to get the conviction and probably the death penalty.

But maybe they will. I just doubt they'll be offering, first thing.

WTF is their affidavit "evidence"? Danny Boy and only Danny Boy? Because that is the only "evidence" they have ever shared with us.

I don't know what they have, or what it's worth. That's why I said "if" in the clause now highlighted in bold for your convenience.

But fwiw, the reason I picked the affidavit is that what they say about their evidence in sworn statements addressed to the court is usually a better indicator of what they're confident will hold up as proof than what they share with us via the media is..So what I meant was:

If it's accurate that video at the scene shows two people identifiable as the Tsarnaev brothers acting as described; and that a witness can testify to being carjacked by them whose testimony is supported by video from the gas/convenience store as well as their being in possession of his car during a chase/shoot-out that a lot of cops and feds can testify to; and that the FBI can say it recovered IEDs from the scene of same that are forensically similar to the ones used at the marathon; and can also say that they found BBs, a large pyrotechnic and clothing similar to that worn by Bomber Two at the Boston Marathon, then:

They don't need a statement from him to convict and probably get the death penalty.

It might not be accurate. And he might not be guilty even if it is. That's not what I'm talking about.

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ON EDIT: I'm not a proponent of the system as just, btw..