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Postby unaltered » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:03 pm

Who benefits?

"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave."
King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993


How much is oil now? What is the accepted projection?

Who benefitted indeed.

Back in the 1990s, when Osama bin Laden was still giving interviews to journalists and didn't have a $50-million bounty on his head, one of his biggest grievances with the West was over the price of oil. At around US$30 a barrel, it was far too cheap, he reasoned. The Western world was ruthlessly bleeding the Middle East by not paying fair market value for oil. It had to be stopped. A more appropriate price? At least US$100 a barrel, he once said, maybe even US$200.


http://www.macleans.ca/business/economy ... 1002_21002

Bin Laden on tape: Attacks 'benefited Islam greatly'


http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/r ... videotape/
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Postby GM Citizen » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:14 pm

unaltered wrote:Who benefits?

Bin Laden on tape: Attacks 'benefited Islam greatly'

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/r ... videotape/


Oh man, I didn't think you could go any lower than the stuff you've already posted, but I've got to give you credit, because you have hit a new low by pusing this propaganda piece by the Bush Administration.

Nice fake video. It's the one where Osama is played by some guy that looks like he's Linc from the original Mod Squad.

Is this the best you can do? Damn, who told you that stuff would fool anyone?

So who benefits here, some actors union?
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Postby timetunneler » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:34 pm

unaltered wrote:Who benefits?

"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave."
King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993


How much is oil now? What is the accepted projection?

Who benefitted indeed.

Back in the 1990s, when Osama bin Laden was still giving interviews to journalists and didn't have a $50-million bounty on his head, one of his biggest grievances with the West was over the price of oil. At around US$30 a barrel, it was far too cheap, he reasoned. The Western world was ruthlessly bleeding the Middle East by not paying fair market value for oil. It had to be stopped. A more appropriate price? At least US$100 a barrel, he once said, maybe even US$200.


http://www.macleans.ca/business/economy ... 1002_21002

Bin Laden on tape: Attacks 'benefited Islam greatly'


http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/r ... videotape/


What a bucket full of buffalo turd. If anything Bin Laden is being paid by the west or the Saudis to play the part of 9/11 Perp in Perpetuity. The people that benefitted from 9/11 and the Iraq war are all of those groups that saw the Iraq/Iran/Syria block as an impediment to free flow of oil and drugs through that strategically important part of the world. And if you check the record, the plan to bust up those countries was many years in the making. The plan to frame them up was many years in the making... go google Benador associates, Jayna Davis and Lorie Mylorie, There has been a concerted effort spanning many years to frame Iraq up so the US could go in and take over.

Texas oil tycoons and their Saudi oil tycoon friends have been fucking up this country since the day Texans brought JFK to their state and had him killed and later gave us a CIA director President and his idiot son.
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Postby timetunneler » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:11 am

8bitagent wrote:Alex Constantine is full of shit on that one.

I don't believe for a SECOND that Osama or KSM or any "Muslim" or al Qaeda man masterminded dick squat in regards to 9/11 or any of the other plots.

NOR do I find it credible that "Israel" or "the Bush administration" masterminded 9/11. More disinfo.

Hell, Bill Clinton's administration has just as deep or more complicity than the Bush administration...they're all globalist pawns.

How come truthers never examine the Bill Clinton era, only the day of 9/11 itself or the few months leading to it? AS IF 9/11 just began in January 2001.


8bit, you must be a Republican... nothing wrong with that... but you keep comparing the crimes of Cheney and Bush to the crimes of Clinton when they are several orders of magnitude greater than anything done by Bill Clinton in office.

Sorry, Dick Cheney is a complete and utter scumbag. He told the country a bunch of lies... knowing they were lies, he attacked any and everyone who questioned him, he sat on his ass and let something hit the Pentagon without warning people to get out. He kills like literally dozens of birds at a time on his shooting expedition. Ok, not a war crime... but a peek into his soul.... but Cheney is a pathetic war criminal piece of shit. He is a liar... sociopathic and he is the one person most responsible for this sad war we have in Iraq. He may have some good motives.. but then again maybe Hitler did too... doesn't excuse the evil he has done. If you saw a regular guy on the street and you knew he did all of the evil things Big Dick did, you'd turn 180 degresss, tell the kids to high tail it out of here while looking for the nearest cop car. Regular people get locked up for the things Cheney and Bush have done or allowed to be done in their name. We have to call unwarranted mass murder what it is regardless of who is doing it.

Although I don't know the truth, i don't see it beyond Dick Cheney's capabilities to team up with some Saudis, Israelis and Pakistanis to do a false flag against the U.S. He already pulled a false flag by claiming a bunch of lies about Iraq and faking us out into a war with Iraq. He let the people in the Pentagon die knowing planes might hit the Pentagon, and one was 20 miles out, 10 miles out and the order still stands.

DICK CHENEY IS A DOUCHE BAG PIECE OF SHIT WHO'S LIES HAVE CAUSED THE DEATHS OF MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Let's all be perfectly clear on that. :roll:
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:49 am

sunny wrote:8bit, if you keep eliminating factions from the plot we'll be left with lizard people.


So you really think Bush and Cheney, or "higher ups" in the Pentagon drew up plans for 9/11 and "orchestrated" 9/11?

I've yet to see any evidence of that. Jeff is dead on, in saying that the truth movement has sadly taken al Qaeda out of the equasion, when al Qaeda itself is the rosetta stone to the deep state at work

unaltered wrote:
8bitagent wrote:


Let me guess, another debunker site? .


LOL......well who else is going to do anything but ignore or agree with these thin accusations? The trick is to look at the claim and see if you can specifically disprove it without resorting to the endgame right away-----you know, it's all being orchestrated by------fill in the blank.


Right...then how come loud mouth debunkers don't also apply that same rigor to the obvious holes in the official story? I mean Saudi and Pakistani complicity is a fact, yet the debunkers will play mental gymnastics and say otherwise.

REAL debunkers should also be debunking the bullshit the government lies about.
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:54 am

nathan28 wrote:
8bitagent wrote:Hell, Bill Clinton's administration has just as deep or more complicity than the Bush administration...they're all globalist pawns.

How come truthers never examine the Bill Clinton era, only the day of 9/11 itself or the few months leading to it? AS IF 9/11 just began in January 2001.


They don't examine the Clinton era because Mena, AK and Iran-Contra are "conspiracy theory" to most people. I'm not sure I buy the "globalist plot" story. Blaming "globalists" only sounds a little bit like blaming the Elders of Zion--a shadowy group that no one can really ever pin down because it doesn't exist. Like blaming the Mossad kiosk workers. It's more just like organized international crime. They'll kill three thousand people all at once because they'll kill that many people in a year and they'll plunge a continent into disarray to protect their interests. They have a nebulous right-wing agenda but that comes second as far as I can tell.

Just reading this thread I am going to have to buy a "Send in the clones" Atta story. Too many breadcrumbs in too many places. One of those places, though, is the Venice, FL airport. Stripper girlfriend or not, Rudi Dekker flying in 43 lbs (over 19,000 g) is proximity to organized crime.


Heroin from Rudy Dekkers flight school, I might add, that links to Russian mafia and CIA, along with Atta's German national pals.

Did you know that the condo the hijackers lived in, around Florida were provided by the Sun Tabloid? The same Tabloid hit by anthrax, whose owner and anthraxed photographer went to Dekker's flight school when Atta arrived.

And yeah, it sounds pointless to pull the "globalist elite did it" card, when it doesnt give a legal court briefing.

Of course...I can sit here and go over the divergent layers of Islamic terrorism and how it connects to the deep state, from BCCI to Bosnia to ISI...but most people would fall asleep. Thats why I say "the NWO did 9/11". Because it wasnt Cheney, or Osama or "Israel"...as much as elements of some of these things may have been involved.
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:01 am

GM Citizen wrote:
unaltered wrote:Who benefits?

Bin Laden on tape: Attacks 'benefited Islam greatly'

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/r ... videotape/


Oh man, I didn't think you could go any lower than the stuff you've already posted, but I've got to give you credit, because you have hit a new low by pusing this propaganda piece by the Bush Administration.

Nice fake video. It's the one where Osama is played by some guy that looks like he's Linc from the original Mod Squad.

Is this the best you can do? Damn, who told you that stuff would fool anyone?

So who benefits here, some actors union?


Its funny, because that video tape was made by Saudi intelligence working for CIA in September 2001, NOT November 2001, and NOT found in a Jalalabad Safe House.

Oh...and on the tape, Osama says he was shocked that the towers collapsed and there was no air force defense.

unaltered wrote:Who benefits?

"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave."
King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993


How much is oil now? What is the accepted projection?

Who benefitted indeed.

Back in the 1990s, when Osama bin Laden was still giving interviews to journalists and didn't have a $50-million bounty on his head, one of his biggest grievances with the West was over the price of oil. At around US$30 a barrel, it was far too cheap, he reasoned. The Western world was ruthlessly bleeding the Middle East by not paying fair market value for oil. It had to be stopped. A more appropriate price? At least US$100 a barrel, he once said, maybe even US$200.


http://www.macleans.ca/business/economy ... 1002_21002

Bin Laden on tape: Attacks 'benefited Islam greatly'


http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/r ... videotape/


Osama bin Goldstein, whose nothing but a globalist puppet.

Osama doth protests the "great Satan oil corporate Western networks", but does exactly what benefits them.

You can show all you want that "proves" Osama benefited from 9/11...but
that doesn't erase the fact Osama is an NWO puppet, like Bush.

Thats like saying "It wasnt Electro that attacked Spiderman! It was
Mysterio!" They're all part of the Sinister Six.

Hey Unaltered:

"MSNBC: Are the Bin Laden Videos Fake?"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21530470/
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:07 am

timetunneler wrote:

8bit, you must be a Republican... nothing wrong with that... but you keep comparing the crimes of Cheney and Bush to the crimes of Clinton when they are several orders of magnitude greater than anything done by Bill Clinton in office.

Sorry, Dick Cheney is a complete and utter scumbag. He told the country a bunch of lies... knowing they were lies, he attacked any and everyone who questioned him, he sat on his ass and let something hit the Pentagon without warning people to get out. He kills like literally dozens of birds at a time on his shooting expedition. Ok, not a war crime... but a peek into his soul.... but Cheney is a pathetic war criminal piece of shit. He is a liar... sociopathic and he is the one person most responsible for this sad war we have in Iraq. He may have some good motives.. but then again maybe Hitler did too... doesn't excuse the evil he has done. If you saw a regular guy on the street and you knew he did all of the evil things Big Dick did, you'd turn 180 degresss, tell the kids to high tail it out of here while looking for the nearest cop car. Regular people get locked up for the things Cheney and Bush have done or allowed to be done in their name. We have to call unwarranted mass murder what it is regardless of who is doing it.

Although I don't know the truth, i don't see it beyond Dick Cheney's capabilities to team up with some Saudis, Israelis and Pakistanis to do a false flag against the U.S. He already pulled a false flag by claiming a bunch of lies about Iraq and faking us out into a war with Iraq. He let the people in the Pentagon die knowing planes might hit the Pentagon, and one was 20 miles out, 10 miles out and the order still stands.

DICK CHENEY IS A DOUCHE BAG PIECE OF SHIT WHO'S LIES HAVE CAUSED THE DEATHS OF MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Let's all be perfectly clear on that. :roll:


I agree 100% From Rebuilding America's Defenses, to Energy Task Force, to Nigerian/France natural gas swindles, etc Cheney is the cartoonish embodyment of evil. You and I are 100% in agreement with.

Im just saying...that the origins of 9/11 lie NOT in Cheney, but during the Clinton period. Thats all. I see both Bush and Clinton just puppets.

Clinton says "how dare you say 9/11 is an inside job".
The liberals got upset with ABC's "Path to 9/11", and Sandy Berger is stuffing pre 9/11 intel down his pants.

We know Dick Cheney is a dark soul. I wouldnt put it past him to have done the stuff Cathy O'brien accuses him of.

But in what time space capacity could he have "masterminded" 9/11, when the deed was underway since at least the early 1990's?

Of course, we know Cheney linked Enron was meeting the Taliban in 1997, fresh off their Clinton CIA backed victory of Afghanistan

timetunneler wrote:What a bucket full of buffalo turd. If anything Bin Laden is being paid by the west or the Saudis to play the part of 9/11 Perp in Perpetuity. The people that benefitted from 9/11 and the Iraq war are all of those groups that saw the Iraq/Iran/Syria block as an impediment to free flow of oil and drugs through that strategically important part of the world. And if you check the record, the plan to bust up those countries was many years in the making. The plan to frame them up was many years in the making... go google Benador associates, Jayna Davis and Lorie Mylorie, There has been a concerted effort spanning many years to frame Iraq up so the US could go in and take over.

Texas oil tycoons and their Saudi oil tycoon friends have been fucking up this country since the day Texans brought JFK to their state and had him killed and later gave us a CIA director President and his idiot son.


THANK YOU!

You summed it up perfectly.

The Wahhabist Saudi elites, Dubai/UAE, and the Western Oil-ogarchs
have been in bed so long with the bin Ladens, and ISI/Saudi funded jihadists, that even IF Osama or al Qaeda were involved...it points right back to the powers that be.

Obama, like Ahmadinejad, or "Dr Zawahri" or any of these other goofy cartoonish entities are reading prepared scripts.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:06 am

Alice wrote:

Al Qaeda is the cover story. The misdirection. The smokescreen. Because even the tsunami of data about the fake 'hijackers' and their globe-trotting adventures yields exactly nothing, NOTHING that implicates them in the September 11 attacks. Nothing.


Right. It's seven (7) years since the attacks. There were allegedly nineteen (19) hijackers. It certainly took very unusual people to do what they did, or what they are alleged -- often with ferocious vehemence -- to have done. Those "suicide-pilots" were nothing if not interesting.

So why do we still know as good as nothing about them? Where are all the back-stories we would normally expect after such a famous massacre? Is the world no longer fascinated by True Crime? Isn't there a lucrative market out there, just waiting to be exploited by smart publishers? Have Americans suddenly lost interest in making money?

"Hani Hanjour: The Making of a Madman"

"Ziad Jarrah: From 'Kind Guy' to Cool Killer"

"Satam al-Suqami: His Family Speaks Out"

"EXCLUSIVE: Mohammed Atta Remembered: In-Depth Interviews With Hamburg Students and Academics."


Seven years on, none of these books exists. Not even short newspaper articles of this kind exist. Why not?

Why not?
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:48 am

MacCruiskeen wrote:
So why do we still know as good as nothing about them? Where are all the back-stories we would normally expect after such a famous massacre? Is the world no longer fascinated by True Crime? Isn't there a lucrative market out there, just waiting to be exploited by smart publishers? Have Americans suddenly lost interest in making money?

"Hani Hanjour: The Making of a Madman"

"Ziad Jarrah: From 'Kind Guy' to Cool Killer"

"Satam al-Suqami: His Family Speaks Out"

"EXCLUSIVE: Mohammed Atta Remembered: In-Depth Interviews With Hamburg Students and Academics."


Seven years on, none of these books exists. Not even short newspaper articles of this kind exist. Why not?

Why not?


The same reason why the majority of the "left" in America believes some bearded guy in a cave orchestrated 9/11.

The reason you never really had investigative specials, books, etc that went into the lives of the hijackers is because doing so would reveal that they had an EXTRORDINARY support network in America.

...which leads to the deep state. Mohdar Abdullah...Anwar Aluqi...Rudy Dekkers, Wolfgang Boheringer, Melvin Lattimore, al Hussein Hussaini, etc just to name a few. We're told these 19 guys had no help in America?
We know Atta was leading the 18 dupes around to various assets, handlers and informants in Florida..Portland Maine, Vegas, San Diego, Virginia and of course Norman Oklahoma. Bosnian jihad centers, "Charity" groups, CIA, Saudi money.

Remember M Night Shyamalan's "The Village"?
We're all that girl, with William Hurt taking our hand and showing us what's *inside* the shed.

"...try not to scream"

In the Tarot, the Goddess is revealed with two towers...while the "Tower" itself has a falling man, as the tower is struck by lightning under an all-seeing eye.

But people do not want 9/11 "revealed" to them.

Why can't truthers see that researching and acknowledging al Qaeda and the hijackers does NOT substantiate the official "Osama did 9/11" meme?

al Qaeda is a straight path to the deep state behind 9/11.
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