Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff

Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby Nordic » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:56 pm

Yeah, I don't think there's a real Return On Investment for the Powers That Be with this particular bit of ugliness.

To do something like this is a Big Deal (provided it's a false flag psyops event). So why have it be so small and why have it be so relatively inconsequential?

If they just wanted to kill the guy and cover up what he was working on, there are many easier ways to "suicide" somebody, less risk to them, etc. Just look at all the dead microbiologists. And Gary Webb and people like that.

But nothing would surprise me.
"He who wounds the ecosphere literally wounds God" -- Philip K. Dick
Nordic
 
Posts: 14230
Joined: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:36 am
Location: California USA
Blog: View Blog (6)

Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby 17breezes » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:54 pm

Nordic wrote:Yeah, I don't think there's a real Return On Investment for the Powers That Be with this particular bit of ugliness.

To do something like this is a Big Deal (provided it's a false flag psyops event). So why have it be so small and why have it be so relatively inconsequential?

If they just wanted to kill the guy and cover up what he was working on, there are many easier ways to "suicide" somebody, less risk to them, etc. Just look at all the dead microbiologists. And Gary Webb and people like that.

But nothing would surprise me.


Maybe it's a kinder, gentler PTB now that Obama is at the helm. Think positive!
"Go back to Auschwitz" Humanitarian peace activists, 2010.
User avatar
17breezes
 
Posts: 344
Joined: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:06 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby Howling Rainbows » Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:50 am

To do something like this is a Big Deal (provided it's a false flag psyops event). So why have it be so small and why have it be so relatively inconsequential?


I tend to agree, even though I have contributed things to this thread that might make it seem otherwise. If this was false flag, I would assume that the circus around the event would be bigger. I have not been watching mainstream news for the last couple of days though, so the circus may be larger than I know. I don't feel it though. It does not seem like the bang for the buck is in this scenario, at least not yet as far as I can tell.
User avatar
Howling Rainbows
 
Posts: 126
Joined: Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:46 pm
Location: shadows
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:39 am

The power of the US state rests on two remaining pillars: the ability to project military force and control around the world (declining), and that to raise taxes from what is still the richest base in the world. I don't see black-budget projects striking at the latter. (This is where "NWO" theory comes in handy, I suppose.)

In the last two days I've heard people bring up this story twice, first at the barber shop and then at a party with neighbors. Out of a sample of about a dozen people in all, no one celebrated it, but almost everyone seemed to think it was funny, even to empathize. No one came even close to framing it as terrorist (after all, no one at the barber shop or the party works for the IRS), and they didn't seem to be aware that anyone other than Stack was killed. Typical remark would go like, "The IRS drove him crazy, he'd had enough." People would nod knowingly, then go on to some other subject.

Neither the motive nor the act is unbelievable, or even that uncommon. The means is really simple. Any small-plane pilot could do this. It's a plane crashing into a building, but the resemblance to 9/11 with its 1,001 improbable complexities and telling coincidences ends there. (Obviously it reminds you of 9/11 - how couldn't it?!)

This was not a terror spectacular, it was practically a do-it-yourself guide.

Finally, Stack does not fit the simple, cartoon political profile one would expect in a planned psyop (which would have almost certainly made a teabagger or a "truther" out of him). I mean, really, he's complaining about a 1986 tax provision that screwed programmers, and guess what? The 1986 tax provision really did screw programmers. But if you're not a freelance programmer, had any of you ever heard of it before Stack?
We meet at the borders of our being, we dream something of each others reality. - Harvey of R.I.

To Justice my maker from on high did incline:
I am by virtue of its might divine,
The highest Wisdom and the first Love.

TopSecret WallSt. Iraq & more
User avatar
JackRiddler
 
Posts: 16007
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:59 pm
Location: New York City
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby 23 » Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:08 am

The last successful trigger for an emotional outcry, by a majority of people, to go to war was 09/11, or planes flying into two buildings.

A plane flying into a building is what some hypnotists would call a post-hypnotic re-induction cue, within the context of the public's response to 09/11.

Priming the pump, with a similar trigger, is what you do to make sure that the water gushes out with force when you need it to in the future.

If a majority of our neighbors are entranced, as I believe they are, the priming of certain suggestion triggers is not an unusual phenomenon.
"Once you label me, you negate me." — Soren Kierkegaard
User avatar
23
 
Posts: 1548
Joined: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:57 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby Uncle $cam » Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:10 am



the final Little House on the Prairie movie, the Last Farewell. Basically a railroad company shows up in Walnut Grove claiming they own the land the whole town (and outlying farms) is built on. They were never supposed to have been allowed to build there and now they want everyone to pick up their stuff and clear out. The same is true of several nearby towns and the railroad wants to clear them all out.

The railroad company is portrayed as supergreedy and eager to take over all the houses and farms and the buildings in town. The townspeople all get together and decide that while the railroad company may own the land, they (townspeaple) built and own the buildings and they're not giving them up. So they blow up the whole town.

Of course, seeing them do this all the other towns vow to do the same and the railroad caves and promises not to take over the other towns.

Maybe this guy saw that movie, too!


via http://www.metafilter.com/89383/Tanks-for-the-memories
Suffering raises up those souls that are truly great; it is only small souls that are made mean-spirited by it.
- Alexandra David-Neel
User avatar
Uncle $cam
 
Posts: 1100
Joined: Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:11 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby elfismiles » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:58 am

Howling Rainbows wrote:To do something like this is a Big Deal (provided it's a false flag psyops event). So why have it be so small and why have it be so relatively inconsequential?


I tend to agree, even though I have contributed things to this thread that might make it seem otherwise. If this was false flag, I would assume that the circus around the event would be bigger. I have not been watching mainstream news for the last couple of days though, so the circus may be larger than I know. I don't feel it though. It does not seem like the bang for the buck is in this scenario, at least not yet as far as I can tell.



"The (media) circus has left the building," at least here at "ground zero."

I drove by the Echelon building again yesterday. The building actually looked even WORSE than it did when it was engulfed in smoke and flames. The damage looks much more stark.

But the media circus ... they've pulled up stakes and only a couple of their wacky wagons remains nearby.
User avatar
elfismiles
 
Posts: 8512
Joined: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:46 pm
Blog: View Blog (4)

Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby dbcooper41 » Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:04 pm

so what else happened in the world while we were watching the plane?
did it keep the cellphone/network wargame out of the news?
haven't we seen these games come true in the past?
User avatar
dbcooper41
 
Posts: 670
Joined: Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:55 pm
Location: North Carolina
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby DrVolin » Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:35 pm

JackRiddler wrote:The power of the US state rests on two remaining pillars: the ability to project military force and control around the world (declining), and that to raise taxes from what is still the richest base in the world.


I think they're trying to get beyond the tax problem. The theory now seems to be that projection of force is a sufficient pillar. If everyone can be terrorized into accepting US dollars, it really doesn't matter that their value is based on nothing but fear. The taxes no longer serve to pay for the military. You can just print dollars for that. The taxes and compound interest loans now serve merely to keep the home population under control. If you think you'll starve when you stop feeding the machine, you keep feeding the machine.
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

--Guns and Roses
DrVolin
 
Posts: 1544
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:19 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby chump » Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:39 pm

I wrote this post yesterday, just thinking out loud and thought I would share. I polished it up today and decided to go ahead and send it. I hope you don't mind if I post it here.
.
Poll: (not really)
Was the Texas Kamikaze a State sponsored psyop?:

1. No opinion. I don't know enough about it.
2. No. Our government wouldn't do that.
3. I doubt it.
4. 50/50 don't know can't decide.
5. very possibly. I don't know for sure but I think they did.
6. Yes. I was in on it and I could tell you all about it.
-----------------------------------------------
As seen above, Prison Planet's Paul Watson wrote, and Alex Jones reported:

"
A trusted source has told this office that the FBI knew Austin was going to be attacked today and had dispatched officers from its Dallas headquarters yesterday afternoon to be in place for today’s incident.

The source claims that a confidential memo was circulated yesterday detailing that a building in Austin was going to be the target of an attack today. He was told this by an informant who works in the Dallas FBI office.

Four FBI agents hurriedly left the Dallas office yesterday to be ready and on the scene for the aftermath of the incident, according to the informant, who was shaken when he saw events unfolding today and put two and two together.

We cannot confirm the accuracy of the claim but the source is known to us and has no motivation for inventing the story.

The fact that pilot Joe Stack changed his manifesto at least 27 times before the final version suggests that he had been writing it for days, "revising it 27 times", and this could have been what tipped off the FBI in the build up to the attack.

The claim dovetails with reports we are receiving from Austin residents that the FBI were immediately on the scene after the plane crash and were filming both the building and eyewitnesses

A separate witness told KXAN News that there were Hazmat teams and fire trucks in place across the street before the plane struck the building..."


If this is true, then the Texas Kamikaze could have been facilitated by the FBI . It may have been staged. It is possible that the FBI learned what Stack was up to by monitoring the 27 edits to his computer as he was perfecting his manifesto. Then the FBI might have just allowed it to happen. Either way, the event is being used to to bring about a range of desired effects.

Information about the pilot, his manifesto, etc poured out of the mainstream media faster than paint on the carpet. Alex Jones makes the point that when an event is staged, it is generally followed by a media frenzy. We'll see it on all the TV channels, hear it on the radio and read it in the newspaper. The blogosphere is, of course, quite abuzz with all kinds of angles to this event.

Alex Jones points out that most lone nut cases that are really lone nuts, we never hear about - because of the bad publicity or image it might cause; they don't want to let some movement gain momentum or give the copycatter's any ideas. But, with the Texas Kamikaze, the media was practically inciting the public to violence; and then depicting the situation as though there is a "Domestic Terrorism Threat". This could bring violence - followed by stricter security and possibly even martial law. Groups and individuals would be targeted according to some contrived perception that they *may* be prone to violence and *could* be a threat to the homeland.

Why else would the government do this? Briefly, a few possibilities are:

Alex Jones says it was a psyop staged to demonize the 'Constitutionalists and the Liberty movement'; to paint them as violent extremists and to shut them down. He also points out that the federal government wants to tighten rules on private aviation. I think I read here that new rules are soon to go into effect. It has also been mentioned that this is a ploy to either stifle or encourage the desire of more than a few Texans to secede from the United States; or a psyop designed to let some high strung types vicariously vent their frustration with the IRS. At the very least it is a distraction; taking broadcast time away from other, more important news stories.

I would add that in the past these type events always seem to have had multiple agendas, which include inflicting a certain psychological effect upon the citizens. These intricately constructed ops are carried out with the use of massive resources; then quickly covered up, usually by the FBI, who do what they must to maintain the veil. It is basically the same all over the world.

Joe Stack's personal webpage (the one that had his manifesto on it) was reportedly taken down because the FBI insisted; then they told the webmaster(?) not to tell anyone that it was the FBI that made him do it. The FBI has denied this. Apparently, this would have been done so that computer experts wouldn't be able to expose who really typed the manifesto; or reveal who Joe may have been corresponding with, etc. (Of course, the manifesto itself has been reproduced on a number of sites).

I would argue that the best information about these events is that which comes from eyewitnesses at the scene before, during and immediately following the explosion. Journalists and researchers have to go in and document the witnesses who saw what happened before the FBI gets ahold of them; because the FBI is going to tell them not to talk. That is why it is so important for those agents to be there right away to control the crime scene; so that sensitive information about what really happened doesn't get out.

The answer to a few questions, some of which are being discussed on this very blog, would reveal much about what is actually going on. Fill in the blanks, and add some more, if you feel like it. I wish I had the time. For instance:

Who was Joe Stack working for? Oh! Thanks DB! Anybody know who they are and what it means? I don't think I want to know.

Who is his wife?

What else and who else was in that building? Where there some records that needed to be disposed of?

Were explosives on the plane, or in the building?

How was information released and the media blitz generated?

Could his plane have been auto-piloted into the building? I read that Joe Stack worked on that type of project as an engineer. The plane was "really going fast, like he was gunning it" into the building. "The pilot looked almost comatose"

Was it confirmed that it was Joe Shack's body that was was found in the wreckage? Could it have been a double in the pilots seat?

Was the area hit under construction? Is this why there were so few casualties, as compared to how bad it could have been? The only two deaths appear to be that of the pilot , and a 67 year old father of 6 grown children. I also read of one pretty burned up survivor. (one of Sweejak's posts) Was that it? That's a good thing but, was there a warning in the building?

Why were the fire trucks and hazmat teams waiting accross the street before it happened? (At about 3:00 of this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gItV-ENkxPY, courtesy elfismiles. BTW. Check out that reporter girls.)

Honestly I cannot figure out Alex Jones's role in this scheme. Is to make people feel wound up, hopeless and scared? A honeypot? All I know is I feel I'm being duped. I would be curious to learn just how he got to be a household name on the Internet (and now on TV). Fact is, just after I wrote the above, I was listening to a replay of his show, and now he says he's leaning back toward the 'lone nut' theory because the corporate media has backed off of the story so much? What happened to that Source? Did I miss something?

I tend think that this story is too hot. The MSM/PTB are very efficient in the way they round up the facts and put the machinery in motion to spin the propaganda to make reality appear a certain way; and then they can take advantage of the Sit-Chee-A-shun.

I don't listen to Alex Jones very often, but when I do, once I get past his bellicosity, I have to agree with most of what I've heard him say. IF what his source says is true... Perhaps there should be an investigation. Hmm.

To me, the Texas Kamikaze just had that mini 9/11, OKC aura about it.

Then again, maybe Joe Stack was distraught and decided to make a firey statement. He has imprinted himself onto our psyche- at least a little - by flying his airplane full throttle into a building full of IRS agents. He'll be remembered by some as a romantic hero. I'll remember him as the Kamikaze Texan.

Sadly though, if he was genuine, he will have accomplished some of his supposed enemy's groundwork against the rest of us. He seemed like a talented, intellligent, well rounded, likeable guy. I hate to say this but, is it more likely that he could have been a mind controlled operative/assassin - because he was an orphan? Was he coerced?

People and the Internet could peel the layers off of this onion and expose it for what it is; but nothin's gonna happen 'til somebody with some Umph decides to parlay some justice. That's gonna take some serious Umph! Does anybody even care?

Please excuse me, as I'm finishing this up, the dog is farting and I'm sitting with a room full of people who, like me, have no idea what I'm doing on the computer.

Adios.
User avatar
chump
 
Posts: 2261
Joined: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:28 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby elfismiles » Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:51 pm

Joe Stack Attack 2/18/10


* At about the 3:40 mark in this video is where these news hounds first start to hear of a connection between the house fire and the plane crash... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGlo5iKRQ9s ... then at about the 4:05 mark in this news video the reporter says: "we are told that a neighbor vaulted a fence, went into the house and rescued the woman, Sheryl Stack, a musician here in Austin, and their 12 year old daughter..."

* Plane crash: What makes someone do this?
http://www.statesman.com/news/local/pla ... 61950.html

* Lucky concidence may have saved lives: Travis County fire crews were training near plane crash site
http://www.statesman.com/news/local/luc ... 62042.html

* Eyewitness Describes Debris Hitting Car
http://tinyurl.com/yh66h7v

* Glenn Beck Associates Tea Parties with Austin Bomber
http://tinyurl.com/ybkhxu6

* ABC News: Did Austin Suicide Pilot Have Explosives on Board?
http://tinyurl.com/y8lhedb

* Attack in Austin: Outraged “Lone Wolf” or False Flag Op?
http://tinyurl.com/yfuzgu7

* The Fire Next Time: IRS Plane Assault Hints of Things to Come
http://tinyurl.com/yzcc2ss

* Eyewitness: Hazmat Teams In Place Before Plane Crash
http://tinyurl.com/yb9taoh

* Source: FBI Knew Austin Attack Was Coming
http://tinyurl.com/yjxw7hp

* I Don’t Buy the Official Story of Joe Stack
http://www.prisonplanet.com/i-dont-buy- ... stack.html

* Is Joe Stack a Wake-Up Call to America?
http://www.rutherford.org/articles_db/c ... ord_id=638

* ‘Attention Must Be Paid…’
http://www.american.com/archive/2010/fe ... st-be-paid

* Host of Joe Stack’s Manifesto Site Deletes Claim That FBI Asked for Its Removal
http://www.prisonplanet.com/host-of-joe ... moval.html

* Friend and Former Band Mate Quotes:

"I never saw him in a bad mood or speaking negatively about anything or anyone"

"I have no way to relate to him as an angry human being"

"I can't believe it's the same person"

"He never let on that this was going on in his head"


* Stack’s Daughter Shares Memories of Her Father
http://news8austin.com/content/headline ... 35&SecID=2

* Joe Stack’s Daughter: Manifesto Written by Another Person
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100220/ap_ ... rash_texas

Stack's daughter from his first marriage, Samantha Dawn Bell, said the Web manifesto didn't sound like the father she knew.
"It's not him. The letter itself sounds like it's coming from a different person," she said in an interview from her home in Norway.
- quote may be found in paragraphs 10-11

* New York Times: Sheryl Housh Stack (formerly Sheryl Housh Mann) ex-member of The Way International
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/20/us/20crash.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_International

Mr. Stack met Mr. Cook’s stepdaughter, the former Sheryl Housh, through musician friends in Austin. After eight months of friendship, they dated and married about three years ago. Both had been previously married.

Mrs. Stack, 50, listed in records at the University of Texas as a graduate student in music performance, brought her own back story to the marriage, having spent several years in the sway of a religious cult before her parents orchestrated a rescue.

On visits to Oklahoma, Mr. Stack took his new in-laws up in his plane. He never spoke of his troubles with the I.R.S., though his wife related them. The family assembled in Austin at Christmas, and Mr. Stack seemed fine, Mr. Cook said.

But in recent weeks Mrs. Stack complained to her parents of an increasingly frightening anger in her husband, straining the marriage, Mr. Cook said. On Wednesday night, Mrs. Stack took her 12-year-old daughter, Margaux, to a hotel to get away from her husband.

They returned on Thursday morning to find their house ablaze, their belongings destroyed. Officials said the house fire was deliberately set, casting Mr. Stack as the primary suspect. But by that point he was gone, airborne.

“This is a shock to me that he would do something like this,” Mr. Cook said. “But you get your anger up, you do it.”


* The Way International and Mind Control
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls= ... nd+control
User avatar
elfismiles
 
Posts: 8512
Joined: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:46 pm
Blog: View Blog (4)

Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby elfismiles » Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:59 pm

Attack on IRS part of long line of tax protesters
Associated Press Writer Stephen Ohlemacher

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_plane_cra ... protesters

WASHINGTON – Joseph Stack's methods were unthinkable — he is accused of ramming a plane into an Internal Revenue Service building in Texas — but his views on taxation follow a long line of protesters who believe tax laws don't apply to them.

While their numbers aren't large, according to experts, their arguments are so enticing that the IRS has published a guide to debunk their claims. In 2008, the Justice Department was concerned enough to start the "National Tax Defier Initiative" to better coordinate prosecutions.

"You would think a little light bulb would go on in their head and they would say, 'Why in the heck is everybody else paying taxes?'" said Peter R. Zeidenberg, a former federal prosecutor who is now a litigation partner at the law firm DLA Piper in Washington. "There are people who are peddling this stuff. It's a way to get people to believe something that's too good to be true."

A 3,000-word manifesto posted on a Web site registered in Stack's name rails against the IRS and accuses the agency of ruining his life. Stack's bitter feud with the IRS apparently drove him to commit suicide Thursday by slamming his single-engine Piper PA-28 into an Austin office building where the IRS has offices.

Stack's writings suggest he was part of a loosely organized movement that stretches back to at least the 1950s. Some believe the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, which authorizes Congress to levy income taxes, was not legally ratified; it was ratified in 1913.

Others believe that paying taxes is purely voluntary. Still others believe in fictional loopholes that would exempt large groups of Americans from paying taxes if they were only in on the secret.

Believers aren't limited to anti-government militia members living off the land out West. Stack was a 53-year-old software engineer in Austin. Other followers include movie star Wesley Snipes and a decorated police detective in the nation's capital.

"They're fairly prevalent," said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project for the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups. "We've had a right wing tax protest movement going back several decades now. They were very hot in the 1990s, but they are very much still out there."

The center has documented five plots against the IRS or its agents since 1995, including one that year to blow up an IRS office in Austin. Potok said he was unsure if it was the same building Stack crashed the plane into.

In 2006, a Utah man was accused of threatening IRS employees with "death by firing squad" if they continued to try to collect taxes from him and his wife. The man, David D'Addabbo, pleaded guilty to one charge of threatening a government agent and was sentenced to five months already served.

Not all tax protesters resort to violence.

Snipes, star of the "Blade" trilogy and other films, was convicted on tax charges and sentenced to three years in prison in 2008 after claiming that Americans have no obligation to pay taxes and the IRS cannot legally collect them. The detective in Washington, D.C., Michael Irving, got a 14-month prison sentence last year after prosecutors said he fraudulently arranged for the police department to stop withholding taxes from his paychecks.

"Most of us are respectfully fearful of the IRS. Most people understand their authority," said Matthew J. Campione, a former IRS lawyer who is now a tax law specialist at the law firm of SmolenPlevy in Vienna, Va. "But you have people who are gullible, you have people who engage in wishful thinking, you have some people who are struggling to make ends meet."

In the letter on Stack's Web site, which has since been removed, Stack said he had gone to "tax code readings and discussions" where he learned about "wonderful 'exemptions' that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy." He said an attempt to claim similar exemptions inevitably cost him $40,000 and "10 years of my life."

He also complained about a 1986 change in the tax law that made it harder for engineers like himself to claim certain deductions as independent contractors, rather than salaried employees. One year, Stack wrote, he didn't file a tax return, "thinking that because I didn't have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed."

The head of the union representing IRS workers said federal employees are too often targeted with threats or violence for simply doing their jobs.

"This incident brings to light an ongoing concern that the atmosphere in our nation debases and denigrates the work of federal employees and contributes to such actions," said Colleen M. Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union. "Too often, frustration with policies or politics takes the form of attacks on public servants, which is never justified and can contribute to misguided rage against federal workers."

The IRS has a Web site called, "Don't Fall for These Frivolous Arguments." Among them are:

_False claim: The filing and paying of tax is voluntary. IRS response: "The term voluntary compliance means that each of us is responsible for filing a tax return when required and for determining and paying the correct amount of tax."

_False claim: Wages, tips, and other compensation are not income because there is no taxable gain when a person "exchanges" labor for money. IRS response: "Congress has determined that all income is taxable unless specifically excluded by some part of the Code."

_False claim: Forming a business trust to hold your income and assets will avoid taxes. A family estate trust will allow you to reduce or eliminate your tax liability. IRS response: "Establishing a trust, foreign or domestic, for the sole purpose of hiding your income and assets from taxation is illegal and will not absolve you of your tax liability."
User avatar
elfismiles
 
Posts: 8512
Joined: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:46 pm
Blog: View Blog (4)

Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby Sweejak » Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:03 pm

ninakat wrote:
SanDiegoBuffGuy wrote:Personally, I'm open to it, not sold on it.


Ditto. I'm sold on the possibility of being sold on it.


Nimmo pretty much expresses where I'm at, yeah I know he writes at Infowars but I've been reading his stuff since before so maybe it's ok. Anyway,he puts it in the context of OKC which is there to give reason to the notion that it might be a psyop but ultimately - at this time - there is nothing convincing.
http://www.infowars.com/attack-in-austi ... e-flag-op/
User avatar
Sweejak
 
Posts: 3250
Joined: Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:40 pm
Location: Border Region 5
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:40 pm

Kurt Nimmo. Wow -- haven't heard that name in a while.. I recall reading his staff back in the early 2000's at Counterpunch [back when I read that on a semi-regular basis]...

He had his share of salient -- though sometimes [or was it oftentimes?] hyperbolic -- articles..

I agree that at this point there's nothing definitive -- yet -- that points directly to psyop, but then again, that's typically the M.O. for psyops; it's a rare event indeed when any rigorous investigator[s] can confidently put together any given series of events to form a cohesive layout, exposing the scheme for all to see....
User avatar
Belligerent Savant
 
Posts: 5587
Joined: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:58 pm
Location: North Atlantic.
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby Sweejak » Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:57 pm

Belligerent Savant wrote:Kurt Nimmo. Wow -- haven't heard that name in a while.. I recall reading his staff back in the early 2000's at Counterpunch [back when I read that on a semi-regular basis]...

He had his share of salient -- though sometimes [or was it oftentimes?] hyperbolic -- articles..

I agree that at this point there's nothing definitive -- yet -- that points directly to psyop, but then again, that's typically the M.O. for psyops; it's a rare event indeed when any rigorous investigator[s] can confidently put together any given series of events to form a cohesive layout, exposing the scheme for all to see....

Nah, I don't remember much in the way of outright hyperbole and always thought Nimmo was dead over the target even when I didn't agree with him, and he was willing to go against the grain of those who go against the grain. He is one hell of a photographer BTW.

I'd like to see the report of FBI having advance notice verified, and has anyone got an explanation for the Hazmat unit "waiting" across the street?
User avatar
Sweejak
 
Posts: 3250
Joined: Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:40 pm
Location: Border Region 5
Blog: View Blog (0)

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 157 guests