Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Jeff » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:01 pm

swindled69 wrote:
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That is often the final word in these threads. Whatever - it was cd.



That might be the last thing said but there is plenty of "whatever.....it wasn't CD" attitudes as well and in the end they are two sides to the 9/11 coin.

The metal that makes up that coin is the devil in the details. Find out the composition of such and you have your circumstantial evidence and a case for CD.


I think that's a false equivalency. I'd say instead that the 9/11 gold has been tin-plated.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby slimmouse » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:51 pm

"All that glitters is not gold"

Some people clearly have glitter in their eyes. Or worse.

No CD on 9/11. The magic bullet truly was what it was said to be.

Do me a fucking favour.

Sometimes its like the muppet show on here.

And yes, I agree with those who would suggest that Mr Wells and his Barracuda are far too intelligent not to see the collapse of those towers for what they were.

Make of that what you will.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby elfismiles » Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:07 pm

Jeebus ... I shoulda known posting that article would spring forth a ten-plus-pager.

But I just found it fascinating that an MSM reporter would claim something publicly that at least supports the whole, "WTC7 was brought down deliberately" angle.

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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Jeff » Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:39 pm

slimmouse wrote:
Sometimes its like the muppet show on here.


Tell me about it.

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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby elfismiles » Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:43 pm

Jeff wrote:
slimmouse wrote:
Sometimes its like the muppet show on here.


Tell me about it.

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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby barracuda » Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:44 pm

slimmouse wrote:Mr Wells and his Barracuda...

That reminds me - I forgot to thank you for the grunions, Jeff.

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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Nordic » Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:50 pm

I'm surprised at the acrimony that so quickly blossoms here regarding this.

Maybe I've reached the point of "I don't really care anymore", but if the goal is to divide and conquer, this certainly seems indicative of the perp's success at least in this regard.

And yes, everyone who disagrees with me is wrong. :)

Seriously, something changed in myself, which is why I only blog here now. I just don't give a damn anymore, I'm resigned to what has happened and to what is going to happen, and I am resigned as to my utter powerlessness as to affecting any of it.

It's nice in a way, but coming with that is the truth that I have to simply avoid situations where people act like idiots, or else I just go off on them like nobody's business. Which is why I only hang out here now, because for the most part people here are of fairly like minds, with the exception of the occasional cold stinky breezes that blow through.

While I appreciate Jeff's point of view, mainly because of my profound respect for him, I can't help but see an obstinateness regarding anything other than what he believes should be the pursuit of 9/11 truth. While he has a good point, I don't understand why it has to be all of one, or all of the other. It seems an open mind can appreciate both points of view, and neither has to rule the other out.

I used to think the CD business was a joke, back in the day when Phil Jayan was posting "pod" photos on Democratic Underground. Then one day I saw the WTC7 collapse and I went "holy shit" mainly because I barely remembered that damn thing falling down at all. Then my first question to myself was "why don't I remember that??" Because the whole thing is an orchestrated psyops, so if we don't remember something, there's a damn good reason somewhere .......

So if you believe the whole thing was an orchestrated psyops (and the grandaddy of all such psyops, nothing else even comes close), then you have to (it seems) consider the possibility that every element of the event was staged. Which would include the collapse of the buildings. The psychological impact of those buildings imploding was nail in the coffin of most people's psyches, the breaking point, if you will, for most, to where they were traumatized to the point where they would then believe anything the government and the media told them.

Prior to that, well, we'd all seen plane wrecks, we'd all seen bombings, we'd all seen all sorts of nasty things, but the unthinkable was that the buildings would simply disappear, cease to exist, vanish from sight -- it was quite literally something of a magician's trick (watch this city bus disappear!), and I think that is when the population of most of the earth were ready to accept anything. Because they just HAD accepted something that was very difficult to accept, but they had no choice in the matter, so there was no reference point then, everybody was suddenly in completely unchartered psychological territory, which is where the perps wanted them.

So to assume that the collapse of the buildings wasn't part of the event seems, well, I don't want to say "foolish", but narrow-minded? Obstinate? I can only assume that those who don't wish to consider that the collapse was part of the planned event should look inward and think about why they believe that. What is keeping you, psychologically, from being open to this rather distinct possibility?

Because most people in the population have an extreme emotional attachment to what they think happened that day. Imagine if you were a child, told that your parents had died in a car wreck and you were taken away to be raised by foster parents, only to discover, later, that it was a lie -- your parents were alive, and they had conspired with the foster parents to feed you this lie and to change your entire view of life, and the world, so they could do something for themselves. You'd be .... a little angry. You wouldn't want to believe it. It would fuck you up more than you already were. It would shatter your entire universe.

That is, as far as I'm concerened, one of the signs of the wildly victorious success of 9/11. It goes back to having people believe "the Big Lie" instead of the little one. I mean, this psyops shit has been developed by some extremely evil people for 100 years now, and what we're seeing these days is the invisible success of it. We're seeing the PSYOPS version of the i-Phone, of laptop computers, of GPS systems in cars, every bit of technology we look at how that WOWS us, things that are tangible and that we can hold in our hands, these fantastic sci-fi-esque toys that we all are using now, well these things are the result of over 100 years of industrial technology being developed by very bright people. Psyops have developed the same way, at the same time, by equally bright people, so we're being harranged and manipulated and hypnotized by literally the i-Phone and F-35 fighter plane equivalent of media manipulation.

Like your average person taking apart an iPhone and trying to figure out how it works, almost all of us are completely behind whatever they are doing. They are ahead of us. They will remain ahead of us unless we realize that everything they do is psyops. Everything.

That's the main reason I am 99% convinced that the buildings collapsed to dust on purpose, by design.

Because of the psychological impact of it. 9/11 would have been far far less traumatic, and exploitable, had this not happened.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby 17breezes » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:46 pm

Nordic wrote:with the exception of the occasional cold stinky breezes that blow through.


Blow it out your ass. Do NOT remove your head first.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Simulist » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:21 pm

Nordic wrote:Prior to that, well, we'd all seen plane wrecks, we'd all seen bombings, we'd all seen all sorts of nasty things, but the unthinkable was that the buildings would simply disappear, cease to exist, vanish from sight -- it was quite literally something of a magician's trick (watch this city bus disappear!), and I think that is when the population of most of the earth were ready to accept anything.

I think that's not only very right, but also very insightful.

Nordic wrote:Because they just HAD accepted something that was very difficult to accept, but they had no choice in the matter, so there was no reference point then, everybody was suddenly in completely uncharted psychological territory, which is where the perps wanted them.

Exactly.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby thatsmystory » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:27 pm

Nordic wrote:Like your average person taking apart an iPhone and trying to figure out how it works, almost all of us are completely behind whatever they are doing. They are ahead of us. They will remain ahead of us unless we realize that everything they do is psyops. Everything.


I think you give them too much credit. Most of the success is attributable to the abuse of national security classification laws. There is some cleverness involved in pressing authoritarian buttons so the public will tolerate such outrageous abuses of power and secrecy. Then again, we are talking about a massive propaganda budget.

I would consider myself agnostic on CD. The reason I resent the 9/11 truth CD advocacy is because of their certainty. Skepticism is not allowed. You simply MUST believe. For example, we are supposed to believe that Silverstein is an idiot who was giving CD approval. The main reason we are supposed to believe this is because it fits the CD belief system. Another key issue concerns the people involved. For example the NYFD. IMO it is not at all credible to think that anyone in the NYFD was involved in CD or was pressured to remain silent so they could keep their jobs. Any CD theory should account for the NYFD and other people involved (i.e. NYPD, civilians, etc.) in emergency response.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Nordic » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:47 pm

thatsmystory wrote:The reason I resent the 9/11 truth CD advocacy is because of their certainty. Skepticism is not allowed. You simply MUST believe.


Well, that's pretty annoying with just about any group.

Seeing the emotional responses that those people have, I have to ask, again, why? Why the emotional response?

I think people's emotions should always be questioned, by the people who are experiencing them first and foremost.

Why, for instance, did the fellow who was banned go off so completely? I mean, he had a total meltdown. Why? Because somebody he met on an internet board didn't believe what he did?

The emotional responses are all part of the event itself.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Simulist » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:11 pm

Nordic wrote:
thatsmystory wrote:The reason I resent the 9/11 truth CD advocacy is because of their certainty. Skepticism is not allowed. You simply MUST believe.


Well, that's pretty annoying with just about any group.

Seeing the emotional responses that those people have, I have to ask, again, why? Why the emotional response?

Well, here's how it seems to me. (Your mileage may vary, of course...)

To the degree that people are "invested" in a particular belief, that belief takes on a proportional value for them to their investment.

So when someone dares challenge a True Believer's belief, the response is often anger because their great investment suddenly seems threatened.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby Canadian_watcher » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:48 pm

thatsmystory wrote: . Another key issue concerns the people involved. For example the NYFD. IMO it is not at all credible to think that anyone in the NYFD was involved in CD or was pressured to remain silent so they could keep their jobs. Any CD theory should account for the NYFD and other people involved (i.e. NYPD, civilians, etc.) in emergency response.


but they haven't remained silent.

Firefighters for 9/11 Truth

complete with videos & voice recordings of firefighters NOT remaining silent.

EDIT: to fix url and add this: Not being covered inthe MSM nowadays = being silent.

You don't have to get people to keep their mouths shut anymore.. you just have to control the media and the courts.
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby nathan28 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:50 pm

thatsmystory wrote:I would consider myself agnostic on CD. The reason I resent the 9/11 truth CD advocacy is because of their certainty. Skepticism is not allowed. You simply MUST believe.


Whoa, whoa, whoa. You must be one of those "intellectuals" "too intelligent" to believe WHAT YOU SAW WITH YOUR OWN EYES..
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Re: Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11

Postby 23 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:03 pm

A loose grip... is generally best. When it comes to grasping the beliefs that we do. The kind of grip that comes with knowing that our beliefs, like everything else, are subject to change.

A tight grip constricts the blood vessels of the hand that is doing the grasping. And, commensurately, raises its blood pressure.

Loose grips are generally best: "For the time being, I choose to believe this."
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