IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

[lupercal]

DSK feared being framed
«Oui, j’aime les femmes, et alors?»
google translation: "Yes, I love women, so what?"
By ANTHONY GUIRAL - Liberation - 16/05/2011

It was April 28. Appointments had been made ​​in confidence with Dominique Strauss-Kahn in a restaurant arrondissement of Paris II. The IMF's managing director in France since the beginning of the week, and his every move is watched and facts. Planquent paparazzi at the corner of the street Payment must find him. Friendly, smiling, relaxed, DSK, when to eat, asked: "Do you have your mobile on you?" He himself has two. He says he left his camera in the hall staff and keeps him on that "encrypted" provided by the IMF. He says the fear of mischief "Gueant," the interior minister, and said on his guard after having had strong evidence of being watched. Simple precaution, lest the reporters that we are recording the conversation to come, or real fear of being heard by the authorities? Still, we keep our phones with us.

Without explicitly saying it is the primary candidate of the PS, the boss of the IMF suggests that the roadmap is ready. He said Martine Aubry, has given up being a candidate and, under the famous pact that binds them to not compete, he's experiencing. Very determined, he evokes the long - too long for his liking - coming season and the main challenges ahead for him. He sees three, in this order: "The money, women and my Jewishness." But when developing, it begins with the women. "Yes, I love women ... so what? [...] For years we talk about giant pictures of orgies, but I've never seen anything out ... then they show them! "DSK evokes a scene where he finds himself in a urinal with Nicolas Sarkozy, during an international summit, and asked him to stop the mess on her privacy.

In its eagerness to pose as the victim, Strauss-Kahn began to imagine "a woman [that he] raped in a parking lot and we promise that 500,000 or a million euros for inventing such a story ..."

http://www.liberation.fr/politiques/010 ... s-et-alors
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a little rough but you get the idea.
p.s. to Joe: you say a "tiff between the ruling class is none of my concern." That's a simplistic way to look at anything, but if that's how you see it, why are you getting so exercised ?

[kenoma]

Im not so sure perpwalks are a great idea myself, but the French elite's abhorrence is not so much directed at the practice itself as at the fact that one of their own had to go through it. Professional buffoon Henri-Levy sums it up:

This morning, I hold it against the American judge who, by delivering him to the crowd of photo hounds, pretended to take him for a subject of justice like any other.

An inveterate liar, he goes on to smear another of Strauss-Kahn's alleged victims:

I hold it against all those who complacently accept the account of this other young woman, this one French, who pretends to have been the victim of the same kind of attempted rape, who has shut up for eight years but, sensing the golden opportunity, whips out her old dossier and comes to flog it on television.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and- ... hn-i-know/
(Of course she didn't shut up for eight years, she made allegations on French tv 4 years ago, but was censored and ignored - video posted a few pages ago).

The media defence of DSK is really rather tawdry. Since it's harder and harder to deny there is a prima facie case to answer here, and since it's ever clearer that the guy has a history, one that's well-known, it's insinuated that he must have been set up because he wasn't allowed to get away with it this time.

Maybe that's true, but it's hardly a great injustice that has the makings of a Dreyfus case, however much Lupercal would like to be DSK's Zola. And there is nothing to suggest that the alleged victim deserves to be smeared as a 'honey trap'.

In any case, it's about time the defenders of DSK developed a coherent hypothesis as to why DSK posed such an imminent threat to the financial elite that he was subjected to a transnational conspiracy at this time. Everything offered so far has been fairly thin and self-contradictory.

[Peachtree Pam]

Just heard on France 24 that maid's lawyer has denied that she has aids or lives in an apartment reserved for aids victims.

[crikkett]

Strauss-Kahn, 62, who denies all the charges, has reportedly been put on suicide watch at the infamous Rikers Island prison in New York, after being denied bail on Monday.

Uh-oh.

According to the Associated Press the IMF chief has a whole jail wing to himself,

so noone can hear him scream

a medical device to make sure he doesn't stop breathing during the night

I'm sure it was applied after the strip-search

and guards checking him 24 hours a day to make sure he does not attempt to take his own life.

"Are you okay?" They asked Bradley Manning in Quantico, every five (or was it fifteen?) minutes. He was required to reply in the affirmative.

If you don't want to die at the beginning of a suicide watch in an American jail, you want to die by the end of one.

He'll have nothing but his gigantic ego and hair-trigger cock to sustain him now. For two more days.

[crikkett]

It's unpleasant to think about these things, but I wonder how a 62 year old man could force a 32 year old woman to perform oral sex on him (twice!). I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but I find it really hard to imagine, how that is physically possible,

I would refer you to the accounts by other young women about how difficult it was to escape his um, charms.



(Wow, remember when that character was supposed to be funny?)

[Joe Hillshoist]

That's a simplistic way to look at anything, but if that's how you see it, why are you getting so exercised ?

You know where you are right? This place is sposed to be a "safe place" for survivors of abuse, now I know that's a pretty open definition cos obviously well we've all seen that thread.

I'm getting pretty irritated at your callous disregard for the victim in this case, the african refugee domestic worker, raped by a white bloke who is in charge of one the most powerful international institutions on the planet. Given there are abuse survivors whop are sposed to feel safe here I don't think its appropriate that you aren't even acknowledging that.

This suggests to me that this guy thought he could get away with this sort of shit, and did it somewhere where the usual safeguards didn't apply. There's been a chorus of "How could he have been so stupids" from his colleagues along with the outrage at his treatment "Ohhh Handcuffs - Barbaric!!!". What the holy muther fucking fuck is that?

"How could he have been so stupid" ????

"And look how bad they are treating him."


Sorry what happened again? Did he leak some emails or something?

I can't believe you don't get that posting articles full of politicians and "le elite" saying shit like, "Ohh his treatment is so barbaric!!!" And not making a comment about the victim's treatment is out of place somewhere thats sposed to be safe for people who have experienced exactly that sort of abuse. And the same sort of dismissal from existence. As if they don't matter.

If you hadn't considered that perhaps you should.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

There's a difference in being forceful in your advances and forcing someone. I'm not justifying either, but the previous accounts seem to me to be examples of the first while this new accusation is an example of the latter.

[Peachtree Pam]

Kenoma wrote:
In any case, it's about time the defenders of DSK developed a coherent hypothesis as to why DSK posed such an imminent threat to the financial elite that he was subjected to a transnational conspiracy at this time. Everything offered so far has been fairly thin and self-contradictory.

DSK was clearly the chosen one by the international oligarchy to replace the deeply unpopular Sarkozy. DSK's recent feel-good speeches about the IMF may have been to strengthen his creds as a "socialist" working toward change - same as Obama with his "meaningful change" that meant absolutely nothing as we've all seen. DSK is as much of a "socialist" as Obama is a true "Democrat". They are both water-carriers for the various allied criminal entities.

[crikkett]

There's a difference in being forceful in your advances and forcing someone. I'm not justifying either, but the previous accounts seem to me to be examples of the first while this new accusation is an example of the latter.

I tend to agree. Also, see how the women who 'got away' are white journalists, whereas his latest victim is a black maid.

It's not difficult for me to suppose that the man felt some sort of privilege over her.

"And look how bad they are treating him."

Joe, I hope that I'm not conveying any sort of sympathy for DSK.

When I chose not to discuss the victim of a rape case, in this thread anyway, it's because I chose to try to keep the images of her ordeal, and memories of ordeals of my own, out of my head. I'm also trying to keep my own emotional response (triggered by such images and memories) at bay.

So please, give me, at least, a pass in this case. I happen to sympathize with the victim in exactly the way you wish I did. More, perhaps.

[Canadian_watcher]

There's a difference in being forceful in your advances and forcing someone. I'm not justifying either, but the previous accounts seem to me to be examples of the first while this new accusation is an example of the latter.

could you run me through a scenario of each, please? NO forget it, I will.
Scenario 1: "forceful in your advances" = Asking a woman whom you are alone in an elevator with if she's interested in dinner and asking again when she says no thank you. You don't want to have to ask a third time so you brush up against her, smiling smarmily, hoping she will get a whiff of what she might be missing out on. She turns away and you spin her back around.. right when she is about to knee you in the balls the bell rings and you back off.
Scenario 2: "forcing someone": same as above but the bell doesn't ring until it's over.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

The difference is in the use of physical violence...in the previous cases, from what I've read, he tried his most to get someone to have intercourse with him, including some physical dominating, a struggle ensued, the person got away.. bad enough, sure! But in this case he allegedly forced a maid to perform oral sex on him twice until he came. Now to force someone to do that when they don't want to, I'd imagine you'd have to get pretty violent, so a lot more than a struggle, but punching someone, tying someone up, or threatening their lives or that of their loved ones. That to me is a difference in quality not just quantity compared to the earlier accusations. Sorry to be so graphic, but apparently it's ok to propose all sorts of theories, but not ok to simply ask, ok how could he have done this, is it a realistic scenario?

[crikkett]

The difference is in the use of physical violence...in the previous cases, from what I've read, he tried his most to get someone to have intercourse with him, including some physical dominating, a struggle ensued, the person got away.. bad enough, sure! But in this case he allegedly forced a maid to perform oral sex on him twice until he came. Now to force someone to do that when they don't want to, I'd imagine you'd have to get pretty violent, so a lot more than a struggle, but punching someone, tying someone up, or threatening their lives or that of their loved ones. That to me is a difference in quality not just quantity compared to the earlier accusations. Sorry to be so graphic, but apparently it's ok to propose all sorts of theories, but not ok to simply ask, ok how could he have done this, is it a realistic scenario?

Okay, that's fine.
And a couple of us answered that, but maybe not to your satisfaction, so maybe you get to puzzle on it more.
I suggest to you that there's plenty of detail already posted for your review, to let you form the scenario again in your mind. Remember, there were scratches to investigate.

Have a great day peeps. Don't let the world fall apart without me.

[Joe Hillshoist]

"And look how bad they are treating him."

Joe, I hope that I'm not conveying any sort of sympathy for DSK.

When I chose not to discuss the victim of a rape case, in this thread anyway, it's because I chose to try to keep the images of her ordeal, and memories of ordeals of my own, out of my head. I'm also trying to keep my own emotional response (triggered by such images and memories) at bay.

So please, give me, at least, a pass in this case. I happen to sympathize with the victim in exactly the way you wish I did. More, perhaps.

I was speaking specifically to Lupercal, about both his attitude and the tone and subtext of some of the articles linked or posted. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. I wasn't having a go at you and didn't mean to come across that way.

[lupercal]

^ What happened to the victim is unfortunate as I've already said. There are many dimensions to this story however and if you want to dwell on the sordid ones, fine, that doesn't surprise me in the least. But there's more going on here than what you'll get from SkyNews and the NY Post.

[JackRiddler]

^ What happened to the victim is unfortunate as I've already said. There are many dimensions to this story however and if you want to dwell on the sordid ones, fine, that doesn't surprise me in the least. But there's more going on here than what you'll get from SkyNews and the NY Post.

As that's surely true, we're lucky to have you to fill in the missing details.

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