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Re: Hollywood Scripting

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu May 17, 2012 5:06 pm

I've edited in more info, barracuda.

And I didn't claim to quote c2w. It was a characterization using 'these' not "those."
And a damn accurate characterization, too. Thanks for dropping in the original.
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Re: Hollywood Scripting

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu May 17, 2012 5:13 pm

barracuda wrote:.....
Actually "Castle" and "Castle" are even more closely related than homonyms, being that they are the same words with the same meanings. I'm not certain just what the linguistic nomenclature is for that phenomenon. Samewordonyms? Sameonyms? Identinyms?
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Um, I have a name for it.
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Remember, for the March 1 Castle-Bravo nuke TEST anniversary....
TV Guide had 'Castle' on the cover. And giving it a warm fuzzy 'bravo.'
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If you look closely, you'll see that the word "hottest" has the middle part of the word standing out due to a black background providing contrast to the letters.

And that framed word is...TEST. A common subliminal technique.
Adding to the subliminal word is the juxtaposition of the telephone dial with a numerical countdown, "6-5-4-3-2-1..."
That's very professional psyops layout work and their egos are probably grattified that someone noticed their work.

And you didn't even have to buy the TV Guide or watch the show, just go to a supermarket or drugstorre where it was on the racks.

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Re: Hollywood Scripting

Postby jingofever » Thu May 17, 2012 5:27 pm

Hmmm, TEST is directly above the T in CASTLE, giving TESTT, i.e. testes, i.e. you're saying a load of bollocks.
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Re: Hollywood Scripting

Postby barracuda » Thu May 17, 2012 5:39 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:I've edited in more info, barracuda.


Oh, great. You've added a Finding Nemo picture. Now it all makes sense. "Paging Dora the Explorer!"

And I didn't claim to quote c2w. It was a characterization using 'these' not "those."


If you're not quoting someone, don't put quote marks around the words you ascribe to them. Because when you do it makes it look like a quote.

And a damn accurate characterization, too.


I think the people who might read her actual quote juxtaposed with your misquote would understand which of the two of you is actually making the slippery assertion.

Um, I have a name for it.


What do you call it? Nym-nyms?

Ringo, Rango, Jingo, Django. This is another fine thread you've gotten us into, Stanley.

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Re: Hollywood Scripting

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu May 17, 2012 5:42 pm

'Rango' - all those lovely western movie images barracuda put in the 'Images' thread.

Marshall Islands >< Marshall in a western cliche....
is pretty obvious mnemonic diversion for young minds with small vocabularies who also don't know geography or history.

And the "Marshall" decoy was done for the same Rongelap scandal in 2006-
Note the dates carefully.

http://www.rimajol.com/forums/viewtopic ... 55b358dabc
Nuclear Claims Tribunal awards compensation to Marshalls

December 19, 2006 04:23pm

THE people of tiny Utrik atoll in the western Pacific have been awarded $US307 million ($A394.27 million) in compensation for the devastation caused by US nuclear bomb testing but may never receive any cash.


Released December 22, 2006
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Enewetak? Ewok?
"Ewoks" appear in 1983, while the legal wrangoling (pun intended) was going on over USG compensation.
George Lucas, anybody? One of the Pentagon's biggest baddest psoperators?

Warm fuzzy teddy bear warriors? echhh...how obvious a dehumanizing counter-association.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewoks

There are science papers on how even partial-homonyms work. That's why they are used for subliminal plausible deniability.
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Re: Hollywood Scripting

Postby Simulist » Thu May 17, 2012 5:47 pm

barracuda wrote:
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
Um, I have a name for it.


What do you call it? Nymnym?

Ringo, Rango, Jingo, Django. This is another fine thread you've gotten us into, Stanley.

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LMAO. :D

(Oh, and Hugh: ANY time the Ewoks are introduced into a debate — of any kind — the introducer automatically loses. Sorry, man. I didn't make the rules.)
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Re: Hollywood Scripting

Postby Searcher08 » Thu May 17, 2012 6:13 pm

I found this in The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2008/nov/14/thriller-ridley-scott

An offer they couldn't refuse

The CIA is often credited with 'advice' on Hollywood films, but no one is truly sure about the extent of its shadowy involvement. Matthew Alford and Robbie Graham investigate

Matthew Alford
Matthew Alford and Robbie Graham
The Guardian, Friday 14 November 2008

Everyone who watches films knows about Hollywood's fascination with spies. From Hitchcock's postwar espionage thrillers, through cold war tales such as Torn Curtain, into the paranoid 1970s when the CIA came to be seen as an agency out of control in films such as Three Days of the Condor, and right to the present, with the Bourne trilogy and Ridley Scott's forthcoming Body of Lies, film-makers have always wanted to get in bed with spies. What's less widely known is how much the spies have wanted to get in bed with the film-makers. In fact, the story of the CIA's involvement in Hollywood is a tale of deception and subversion that would seem improbable if it were put on screen.

The model for this is the defence department's "open" but barely publicised relationship with Hollywood. The Pentagon, for decades, has offered film-makers advice, manpower and even hardware - including aircraft carriers and state-of-the-art helicopters. All it asks for in exchange is that the US armed forces are made to look good. So in a previous Scott film, Black Hawk Down, a character based on a real-life soldier who had also been a child rapist lost that part of his backstory when he came to the screen.

No matter how seemingly craven Hollywood's behaviour towards the US armed forces has seemed, it has at least happened within the public domain. That cannot be said for the CIA's dealings with the movie business. Not until 1996 did the CIA announce, with little fanfare, that it had established an Entertainment Liaison Office, which would collaborate in a strictly advisory capacity with film-makers. Heading up the office was Chase Brandon, who had served for 25 years in the agency's elite clandestine services division, as an undercover operations officer. A PR man he isn't, though he does have Hollywood connections: he's a cousin of Tommy Lee Jones.

But the past 12 years of semi-acknowledged collaboration were preceded by decades in which the CIA maintained a deep-rooted but invisible influence of Hollywood. How could it be otherwise? As the former CIA man Bob Baer - whose books on his time with the agency were the basis for Syriana - told us: "All these people that run studios - they go to Washington, they hang around with senators, they hang around with CIA directors, and everybody's on board."

There is documentary evidence for his claims. Luigi Luraschi was the head of foreign and domestic censorship for Paramount in the early 1950s. And, it was recently discovered, he was also working for the CIA, sending in reports about how film censorship was being employed to boost the image of the US in movies that would be seen abroad. Luraschi's reports also revealed that he had persuaded several film-makers to plant "negroes" who were "well-dressed" in their movies, to counter Soviet propaganda about poor race relations in the States. The Soviet version was rather nearer the truth.

Luraschi's activities were merely the tip of the iceberg. Graham Greene, for example, disowned the 1958 adapatation of his Vietnam-set novel The Quiet American, describing it as a "propaganda film for America". In the title role, Audie Murphy played not Greene's dangerously ambiguous figure - whose belief in the justice of American foreign policy allows him to ignore the appalling consequences of his actions - but a simple hero. The cynical British journalist, played by Michael Redgrave, is instead the man whose moral compass has gone awry. Greene's American had been based in part on the legendary CIA operative in Vietnam, Colonel Edward Lansdale. How apt, then, that it should have been Lansdale who persuaded director Joseph Mankewiecz to change the script to suit his own ends.

The CIA didn't just offer guidance to film-makers, however. It even offered money. In 1950, the agency bought the rights to George Orwell's Animal Farm, and then funded the 1954 British animated version of the film. Its involvement had long been rumoured, but only in the past decade have those rumours been substantiated, and the tale of the CIA's role told in Daniel Leab's book Orwell Subverted.

The most common way for the CIA to exert influence in Hollywood nowadays is not through anything as direct as funding, or rewriting scripts, but offering to help with matters of verisimilitude. That is done by having serving or former CIA agents acting as advisers on the film, though some might wonder whether there is ever really such a thing a "former agent". As ex-CIA agent Lindsay Moran, the author of Blowing My Cover, has noted, the CIA often calls on former officers to perform tasks for their old employer.

So it was no problem for CBS to secure official help when making its 2001 TV series The Agency (it was even written by a former agent). Langley was equally helpful to the novelist Tom Clancy, who was invited to CIA headquarters after the publication of The Hunt for Red October, an invitation that was regularly repeated. Consequently, when Clancy's The Sum of All Fears was filmed in 2002, the agency was happy to bring its makers to Langley for a personal tour of headquarters, and to offer access to agency analysts for star Ben Affleck. When filming began, Brandon was on set to advise - a role he repeated during the filming of glamorous television series Alias.

The former agent Milt Beardon took the advisory role on two less action-packed attempts at espionage stories: Robert De Niro's The Good Shepherd from 2006, which told an approximate version of the story of the famed CIA head of counter-espionage, James Jesus Angleton; and Charlie Wilson's War, the story of US covert efforts to supply the Afghan mujahideen with weaponry during the Soviet occupation of the 80s. In reality, this was a story that ended badly, as the Afghan freedom fighters helped give birth to the terrorists of al-Qaida. In the movie, however, that was not the case. As Beardon - who had been the CIA man responsible for the weapons reaching the Afghans - observed shortly before the movie came out, the film would "put aside the notion that because we did that [supply arms], we had 9/11".

Beardon's remark provides a clue to the real reason the CIA likes to offer advice to Hollywood, a clue that was expanded on by Paul Kelbaugh, the former associate general counsel to the CIA - a very senior figure in Langley. In 2007, Kelbaugh spoke at Lynchburg College of Law in Virginia - where he had become an associate professor - about the CIA's relationship with Hollywood. A journalist present at the lecture (who now wishes to be anonymous) reported that Kelbaugh spoke about the 2003 Al Pacino/Colin Farrell vehicle The Recruit. A CIA agent had been on set as a "consultant" throughout the shoot, he said; his real job, however, was to misdirect the film-makers. "We didn't want Hollywood getting too close to the truth," the journalist quoted Kelbaugh as saying.

Peculiarly, though, in a strongly worded email to us, Kelbaugh emphatically denied having said such a thing, and said he remembered "very specific discussions with senior [CIA] management that no one was ever to misrepresent to affect [film] content - EVER." The journalist stands by the original report, and Kelbaugh has refused to discuss the matter further.

So, altering scripts, financing films, suppressing the truth - it's worrying enough. But there are cases where some believe the CIA's activities in Hollywood have gone further - far enough, in fact, to be the stuff of movies. In June 1997, the screenwriter Gary DeVore was working on the screenplay for his directorial debut. It was to be an action movie set against the backdrop of the US invasion of Panama in 1989, which led to the overthrow of dictator Manuel Noriega. According to his wife, Wendy, DeVore had been talking to an old friend - the CIA's Chase Brandon - about Noriega's regime and US counternarcotic programmes in Latin America. Wendy told CNN: "He had been very disturbed over some of the things that he had been finding in his research. He was researching the United States invasion of Panama, because he was setting the actual story that he was writing against this; and the overthrow of Noriega and the enormous amounts of money laundering in the Panamanian banks, also our own government's money laundering."

At the end of that month, DeVore had been in Santa Fe, New Mexico, working on another project. He was travelling back to California when, at 1.15am on June 28, he called Wendy, a call she says has been excised from phone records. She told CNN she was "terribly alarmed" because he was speaking as though he were under duress. She was sure "someone was in the car with him". That was the last time Wendy DeVore heard from her husband.

A year passed, but the case refused to die and speculation mounted. Even the Los Angeles Times began contemplating CIA involvement. DeVore was presumed dead, but there was no body, and no end to the questions. Lo and behold, just nine days after the LA Times reported the case, DeVore's body was found, decomposing in his Ford Explorer, in 12 feet of water in the California Aqueduct below the Antelope Valley Freeway, south of Palmdale - a city located in "aerospace valley", so dubbed by locals for its reputation as a US military-industrial-complex stronghold - fuel to the fire for conspiracy theorists.

The coroner went on to declare the cause and manner of DeVore's death to be "unknown", but police eventually reached the tentative conclusion that the screenwriter's death was an accident: he had fallen asleep at the wheel, they said, before careening off the highway and into the water, where he drowned. But loose ends remain: DeVore's laptop computer containing his unfinished script was missing from his vehicle, as was the gun he customarily carried on long trips; after his disappearance, a CIA representative allegedly showed up at DeVore's house to request access to his computer; Hollywood private investigator Don Crutchfield noted that previous drafts of DeVore's script were inexplicably wiped from said computer during the same timeframe; police claimed that DeVore's vehicle careened off the highway, yet DeVore's widow was troubled by the absence of visible damage to the guardrail at the scene of the alleged accident; and how come no one noticed an SUV sitting in the water beneath a busy highway for a whole year? Perhaps the whole incident is too like a conspiracy movie to be a real conspiracy - but many remain troubled by De Vore's death.

Despite the CIA's professed desire to be more open about the role it plays in Holly-wood, it's hard to take its newfound transparency too seriously. After all, what use is a covert agency that does not act covertly, even if some of its activities are public? And if it is still not open about the truth of events decades ago, many of which have spilled into the public domain accidently, how can we be sure it is telling the truth about its activities now? The spy may have come in from the cold, but he still finds shelter in the dark of the cinema.
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Re: Hollywood Scripting

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu May 17, 2012 6:19 pm

Simulist wrote:.....
(Oh, and Hugh: ANY time the Ewoks are introduced into a debate — of any kind — the introducer automatically loses. Sorry, man. I didn't make the rules.)


Anytime you introduce George Lucas into a debate - of any kind - you're talking about Pentagon-CIA Hollywood scripts.
Sorry, man. I didn't make the rules.

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Re: Hollywood Scripting

Postby Simulist » Thu May 17, 2012 6:31 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Anytime you introduce George Lucas into a debate - of any kind - you're talking about Pentagon-CIA Hollywood scripts.

Because Howard the Duck was such an insidiously inventive manipulation.
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Re: Hollywood Scripting

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu May 17, 2012 6:50 pm

Simulist wrote:
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Anytime you introduce George Lucas into a debate - of any kind - you're talking about Pentagon-CIA Hollywood scripts.

Because Howard the Duck was such an insidiously inventive manipulation.


In the mid-80s the FBI was getting sued for their COINTELPRO harassment of peace activists.
And having very em-bare-assing problems with spies. The CIA was trying to keep a lid on their 'drug problem.'

Thens this CIA turncoat clown got away, Edward Lee Howard-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Lee_Howard

Became an em-bare-assing book about Mr. Howard-
David Wise, The Spy Who Got Away: The Inside Story of the CIA Agent Who Betrayed His Country, (Random House Inc., 1988)


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Fortunately, there was a comic book diversion ready to be exploited as a popular decoy, 'Howard the Duck.'
You really think that George Lucas quit Lucasfilms to work on this rubbish cuz he thought it was a good movie project? right.
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Re: Hollywood Scripting

Postby barracuda » Thu May 17, 2012 7:03 pm

OMG, you just googled "howard CIA" and posted the first return. How very scientifically methodological of you.
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Re: Hollywood Scripting

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu May 17, 2012 7:19 pm

barracuda wrote:OMG, you just googled "howard CIA" and posted the first return. How very scientifically methodological of you.


Uh, no. Gettting hard-up for refutations of all those 'coincidences?'
I examined all of Lucas' trail of misdirection long ago. His handlers know his cover is blown.

When you find a name who is doing psyops, like Lucas or Spielberg or Disney or, analyzing all their historical output is very educational. Reverse-engineering misdirection gets you...direction.
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Re: Hollywood Scripting

Postby LilyPatToo » Thu May 17, 2012 7:21 pm

I don't have IMDbPro to get the start of production date for Brave, but it's most likely been in production for a while, right? And Ms. Brooks just hit the news...so how could Brave have been conceived of as a distraction from her? That's been my question about a lot of the movies you cite, Hugh--it seems as though it would take a reliable psychic (in which I don't think you believe) to time these things. If I'm just too thick to see some obvious explanation for this, please set me straight. I'm not trying to be snarky, either, so please don't flame me--I've just wondered about this for years.

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Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Back to the scripts right in front of our eyes for contextual analysis to discern agendas.

Today's New York Times front page has a banner ad for Disney-Pixar's 'Brave' animation.
The image is a long red-haired girl with yet another bow-and-arrow, just like the recent 'Hunger Games' movie.
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By yet another remarkable coincidence, this photo is at the top of the news cycle for the last 24 hours-
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That's Rebekah Brooks, the former News International chief executive, being indicted.

Think there's a psyop timing coordination here? I do. Both the design of the movie and the timing of the ad.
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Re: Hollywood Scripting

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu May 17, 2012 7:42 pm

LilyPatToo wrote:I don't have IMDbPro to get the start of production date for Brave, but it's most likely been in production for a while, right? And Ms. Brooks just hit the news...so how could Brave have been conceived of as a distraction from her]


Brooks is a spook who has been at the center of a festering UK media scandal for years now.
And very likely to end up a target for prosecution and thrown under the bus, as available women so often are.
See 'Lyndie England of Abu Ghraib'

In 1994, she prepared for the News of the World's interview with James Hewitt, a paramour of Princess Diana, by reserving a hotel suite and hiring a team to "kit it out with secret tape devices in various flowerpots and cupboards," Piers Morgan, her former boss, wrote in his memoir The Insider, The New York Times relayed in July 2011.
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During a March 2003 appearance before the House of Commons Select Committee on Culture, Media and Sport as part of an inquiry into privacy issues, Brooks stated that her newspaper had paid police officers for information.


Even with no scandal, the spooks like to inspire their potential female recruits with power models to lure them into their alphabet/miltary career paths. Movies were made evoking spooky power females, Nina L. Hachigian and Mona Sutphen, for instance.

The superior female brain is much in demand for spook propaganda work in the media.
So having a star like Brooks going down has to be countered. Along with the assassination of CIA Dorothy HUNT.
Hence, 'Brave.' Yet another Huntress with tresses.
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Re: Hollywood Scripting

Postby peartreed » Thu May 17, 2012 8:49 pm

The Guardian article, posted most recently by Searcher08 and excerpted previously on other threads, is to me a quite convincing outline of the common CIA techniques in affecting film production to portray the agency and the armed forces in a favorable light.

I’m also certain other covert campaigns still continue to corrupt the entertainment screens with occasionally uncovered but consistently crude psyop propaganda and cointelpro contamination. The same article alluded to how that is also allowed.

One can read all the psyops history and how-to technique books available, learn all the keyword hijacking hit lists, subliminal semantics including hypnotizing half-assed homonyms, sabotaging synonyms and awareness-altering adjectives, and then secretly study every script ever written, and still make incredible leaps of illogic and irrationality in desperately connecting the disparately dotty dots of dramatic but demented discoveries.

Movie posters are not produced to puzzle paranoids with parallel political event timing and terminology twists. They are not “Wild Word Play for the Wacky”.

Claiming that only brings dismissal and derision down upon such outlandish accusations, and that in turn fuels the in-fighting farce of fringe fanaticism.

Defensively denying and denigrating those who disagree with such disclosures compounds the case for demented delusion, and redirects serious investigation away.

Anyone truly interested in investigating actual, covert intelligence agency action assiduously avoids association with online orchestrations of obvious, overt idiocy.

And therein lies the rub. Extremists are here, driving a drove of deflated and discouraged departures. I used to limit myself to lurking because of it, and may return to that loftier lookout simply to sever the stress of fencing with fanatics.

I don’t suffer fools well. And continuity of conversation, while often curiously comedic when kooks cut in, is still being consistently diverted by disruptors.
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