Aurora CO Theater Massacre

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby peartreed » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:55 am

It is intriguing to me that James Holmes, as a student researcher in his teens, was interested in the distinctions between fantasy and reality and, particularly, that subjective experience of one’s inner world might possibly alter temporal recall and one’s perception of what actually occurred in one’s past.

I think his fantasies also radically altered his perception of reality in the present.

I suspect that elements of his actual past ignited a suppressed hatred of authority.

Growing up amidst an onslaught of multi-media fantasy entertainment as an escape from otherwise mundane or oppressive conventional reality, I can almost understand the lure of megalomaniacal fantasies and imaginative antihero role- playing combining to create an intense inner world of extreme exotic adventure.

The critical distinction and departure is allowing that subjectivity to cross over into objective reality and then acting out the extreme fantasies in destructive and deadly defiance of societal imperatives, decency, conventions and common sense.

Holmes illustrates the danger of a very tenuous hold on reality and actual identity. That, or the compulsion and chaos of his confabulated inner world captivated and cut his last link to sanity and social accountability, making him a monster incarnate.

Even on this board we’ve all witnessed people whose focus and pet conspiracy theory is somewhat fixed, even fixated, yet still fragile due to a possibly fantasy prone series of supporting premises that don’t conform to conventional thinking. But even our wildest woo will be contained within the walls of our real world.

This Holmes lost his sure lock. And his grip. He unleashed his inner demon. The devil is in our detecting it in advance.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:02 am

11 people died in a car accident in Texas today, including several children. Though they probably wont be getting a visit from the president or much media coverage. Especially if they are Mexican
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:18 am

peartreed wrote:It is intriguing to me that James Holmes, as a student researcher in his teens, was interested in the distinctions between fantasy and reality and, particularly, that subjective experience of one’s inner world might possibly alter temporal recall and one’s perception of what actually occurred in one’s past.

I think his fantasies also radically altered his perception of reality in the present.

I suspect that elements of his actual past ignited a suppressed hatred of authority.

Growing up amidst an onslaught of multi-media fantasy entertainment as an escape from otherwise mundane or oppressive conventional reality, I can almost understand the lure of megalomaniacal fantasies and imaginative antihero role- playing combining to create an intense inner world of extreme exotic adventure.

The critical distinction and departure is allowing that subjectivity to cross over into objective reality and then acting out the extreme fantasies in destructive and deadly defiance of societal imperatives, decency, conventions and common sense.

Holmes illustrates the danger of a very tenuous hold on reality and actual identity. That, or the compulsion and chaos of his confabulated inner world captivated and cut his last link to sanity and social accountability, making him a monster incarnate.

Even on this board we’ve all witnessed people whose focus and pet conspiracy theory is somewhat fixed, even fixated, yet still fragile due to a possibly fantasy prone series of supporting premises that don’t conform to conventional thinking. But even our wildest woo will be contained within the walls of our real world.

This Holmes lost his sure lock. And his grip. He unleashed his inner demon. The devil is in our detecting it in advance.



The ABC news video and Cannonfire post really blew me away. I knew he was into mind sciences...but hearing him speak about "temporal illusion", blurred reality/fantasy lines and
past memory perception was just, whoah.

It kind of is like a real life super villain...as often a villain in a comic book is someone who uses their profession to churn their evil. There could be a whole separate topic on just what this kid
was delving into. I honestly can't recall hearing about a mass youth shooter as intelligent as him, and not since the occult obsessed Pearl Mass. school shooter(oct 1997 which kicked off the 97-99 sprees) have I heard of one so immersed in outside forces. Loughner seemed to be a product of youtube dorkery and insular obsession, VT tech guy of just pure anger.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Nordic » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:20 am

One thing about this guy, at least for me, is his name. I can't ever remember it. It's so boring. James ... what? Holmes. Okay.

I know that's stupid, but it's so unusual. Other serial killers' names strike at my heart. I don't think this one ever will.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Project Willow » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:58 am

8bitagent wrote:
The ABC news video and Cannonfire post really blew me away. I knew he was into mind sciences...but hearing him speak about "temporal illusion", blurred reality/fantasy lines and
past memory perception was just, whoah.

It kind of is like a real life super villain...as often a villain in a comic book is someone who uses their profession to churn their evil. There could be a whole separate topic on just what this kid
was delving into. I honestly can't recall hearing about a mass youth shooter as intelligent as him, and not since the occult obsessed Pearl Mass. school shooter(oct 1997 which kicked off the 97-99 sprees) have I heard of one so immersed in outside forces. Loughner seemed to be a product of youtube dorkery and insular obsession, VT tech guy of just pure anger.


Whether it's true to its source or not, the Cannonfire synopsis of the Erickson book, that's mind control, that's creating a screen memory, or an implanted memory, actually.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:27 am

8bitagent wrote:
barracuda wrote:A screen capture of the top of my Google News feed for the last twenty-four hours:

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Yeah, we're not gonna glamourize this thing.


One of those men, has sure as hell killed a lot more than 12 innocent people.


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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:49 am

trippy...

http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2012/07/d ... r-new.html

one particular comment

Steve Glenn said...

A friend and I have once discussed where Roman Polanski, by engaging directly with the Occult and Satanism in “Rosemary’s Baby,” had somehow conjured the horror that claimed his wife and unborn child. Certainly Manson was a manipulative psychopath. And we know the chain of meetings that led him from Dennis Wilson’s den of iniquity to the house on Cielo Drive that Polanski and Tate had just rented. Yet, as the artist responsible for cinematically constructing the tale from Ira Levin’s book, is it possible Polanski midwifed the Devil’s spawn much as the Satanists did for Rosemary? On a larger scale, the Manson Family might be seen as the Shadow to the hippie’s flower power and free love that brought about a decisive end to the Summer of Love. We can examine the facts, question motivations, and hunt for conspiracies, but the narratives we construct to help us understand these events emerge from the depths of the collective unconscious and follow archetypal patterns. And these narratives are, for better or worse, shape our individual and collective experience.

On another note, last night I listened to a Buddhist Lama discuss Tibetan Dream Yoga which he described as a practice aimed at developing states lucid dreaming that erase the line between the waking world and the dream world. I couldn’t help but be reminded of Inception minus the mind-control theme. For the Lama our everyday reality of forms is more limited and illusory than the dream world and the realms beyond. I think the more we embrace such understandings from the East and elsewhere, the more we may come to see the fundamental flaws girding Western materialism and our consensual notions of objective reality.
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and
http://www.reddirtreport.com/Story.aspx/23062




http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2012/07/red-dawn.html
Colorado means "red" and Aurora means "dawn."

We are entering an alternative reality, of sorts. In case you missed it, we have experienced a red dawn event.

In The Dark Knight Rises, Selina Kyle says to Bruce Wayne: "You think this can last? There's a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us."

The Aurora, Colorado shooting appears to be a "red dawn," a milestone awakening event of which we can only guess what it might really mean in the near and distant future.

"The night is darkest just before the dawn. And I promise you, the dawn is coming."
~ Harvey Dent, The Dark Knight, 2008.


Gotta read the whole article.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby lucky » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:20 am

conveniently for Obama
Bain is also the name of a dodgy investment fund that was run by Mitt Romney, that loon Rush Limbaugh says he has detected a "political conspiracy!"
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby semper occultus » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:44 am

...re the medical / shrink angle ...there was ofcourse :

Nidal Malik Hasan

Nidal Malik Hasan, USA (Arabic: نضال مالك حسن‎; born September 8, 1970) is a United States Army officer and sole accused in the November 5, 2009, Fort Hood shooting, which occurred less than a month before he would have deployed to Afghanistan.

Born in Virginia to parents who moved to the United States from a Palestinian town near Jerusalem, Hasan joined the Army while in college and became a psychiatrist at Fort Hood...

He graduated from Virginia Tech in 1995 with a bachelor's degree in biochemistry, and went on to attend medical school at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences ("USUHS" or "USU"). After earning his medical degree in 2003, Hasan completed his residency in psychiatry at Walter Reed Army Medical Center. While an intern at Walter Reed, he received counseling and extra supervision...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:14 am

Just a quick note that the joker is always portrayed in the books and the films as having green hair, not red or orange. Though red is the "opposite" color as green, so maybe it's supposed to register with us in some way. The "anti-joker." Or, he didn't have time to get to hot topic for manic panic.

Red clown hair reads a little bit Ronald McDonald to me.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby elfismiles » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:42 am

Thanks for the headsup 8bit. I have family living in Goliad.


At least 11 people died Sunday and another 12 were injured after a pickup truck loaded with passengers left the highway and crashed into trees in rural South Texas, authorities said.
...
"This is the most people I've seen in any passenger vehicle, and I've been an officer for 38 years," Bryant said, referring to the chaotic scene.
....
The 23 people were loaded inside both the truck's cab and bed.



Fuck! That's just so frakking irresponsible having that many people in a truck.

8bitagent wrote:11 people died in a car accident in Texas today, including several children. Though they probably wont be getting a visit from the president or much media coverage. Especially if they are Mexican
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby elfismiles » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:54 am

semper occultus wrote:...re the medical / shrink angle ...there was ofcourse :



Wednesday's local newspaper headline:

Lawmaker: Report on Fort Hood attack faults FBI - Statesman.com
http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/la ... 18672.html

Army Maj. Nidal Hasan told a radical Islamic cleric — a man well-known to the U.S. intelligence community — that he advocated using suicide bombers and that he believed it was OK to kill civilians, Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, told The Associated Press. And the known terrorist, Anwar al-Awlaki, told Hasan in an email that the Army psychiatrist should keep the terrorist's contact information handy, McCaul said.


And of course, the "known terrorist, Anwar al-Awlaki" and his American Citizen son were assassinated by Obama:

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby elfismiles » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:05 am


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Dark Knight gunman faced eviction and 'broke up with girlfriend' just before killing spree

* Police chief hints James Holmes was recently involved in relationship split
* Holmes was due to be evicted from his university-assigned flat days before the deadly attack as he had dropped out of PhD program
* Classmate said Holmes was obsessed with role-playing video games
* Killer 'did not have much of a life' apart from work and gaming

Lack of romance: The local police chief hinted that James Holmes, seen here during his days as a camp counselor, may have broken up with someone shortly before the shooting

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z21SEcd0sC

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby elfismiles » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:09 am

Video memorial of victims...

The Aurora shooting victims
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-574 ... g-victims/
Colorado Movie Theater Massacre
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Six Hits of Sunshine » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:30 am

8bitagent wrote:trippy...

http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2012/07/d ... r-new.html

one particular comment

Steve Glenn said...

A friend and I have once discussed where Roman Polanski, by engaging directly with the Occult and Satanism in “Rosemary’s Baby,” had somehow conjured the horror that claimed his wife and unborn child. Certainly Manson was a manipulative psychopath. And we know the chain of meetings that led him from Dennis Wilson’s den of iniquity to the house on Cielo Drive that Polanski and Tate had just rented. Yet, as the artist responsible for cinematically constructing the tale from Ira Levin’s book, is it possible Polanski midwifed the Devil’s spawn much as the Satanists did for Rosemary? On a larger scale, the Manson Family might be seen as the Shadow to the hippie’s flower power and free love that brought about a decisive end to the Summer of Love. We can examine the facts, question motivations, and hunt for conspiracies, but the narratives we construct to help us understand these events emerge from the depths of the collective unconscious and follow archetypal patterns. And these narratives are, for better or worse, shape our individual and collective experience.

On another note, last night I listened to a Buddhist Lama discuss Tibetan Dream Yoga which he described as a practice aimed at developing states lucid dreaming that erase the line between the waking world and the dream world. I couldn’t help but be reminded of Inception minus the mind-control theme. For the Lama our everyday reality of forms is more limited and illusory than the dream world and the realms beyond. I think the more we embrace such understandings from the East and elsewhere, the more we may come to see the fundamental flaws girding Western materialism and our consensual notions of objective reality.
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I said something similar all the way back here: viewtopic.php?p=470553#p470553
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