2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

[JackRiddler]

^^The head of the German Commercial Pilots' Union was interviewed yesterday, and he said it was virtually certain that the plane had been tracked all the way to [wherever] by military radar. How could it not be?

Those German conspiracy theorists at it again!

[Luther Blissett]

Further clue: Does everyone here know what Paper Street means?

The fictional street in Wilmington that Tyler Durden squats on, and the name he chooses for his soap company?

[Pushkarev]

Maybe I should be more clear by what I mean.

As a model of the situation, you have:

(1) At the technical level, various military radar equipment.
(2) At the tactical / operational level, various military-associated people, groups, and organisations monitoring and acting on the radar.
(3) A plane that may or may not have penetrated SE Asian countries' airspace.
(4) The terrain in which both (1) and (3) operated.

It is possible that (1) or (2) or both failed. It is possible that (1) still worked, but (2) failed for various reasons. It is possible that (1) failed due to various reasons, and hence (2) failed by default, as they wouldn't have known. Various countries have an incentive to cover up failures in (1) or (2), due to strategic defensive concerns. Whether those concerns are of a technical level (covering up their technical capabilities or weaknesses) or at an organisational / operational / command & control level (how they actually reacted to the data and who they told).

As a concrete example, the Malaysians are saying that (3) used (4) to get around (1) via "terrain masking." I mean that might be true, but it could also be a cover story that covers up the failures of (1) or (2).

[chump]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showth ... 282&page=5

PoirotryInMotion
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Originally Posted by ToutCa View Post

Does the radar evidence really show guided flight or was the plane wandering? Were the waypoints entered? When? Could they have been entered in the seconds immediately following an emergency with the damaged plane and disabled crew lurching to them on autopilot?

Can't flying to a series of 4-5 waypoints be handled easily by autopilot?

My advice: take everything each self-promoting "expert" says with a grain of salt.

I'd lean toward intentional diversion at present, but it has not been proven. At all. The data is ambiguous at best. The story is far, far murkier than the media headlines claim.
From what I've read, flying by waypoints is a way of flying to specifically avoid radar, an advanced technique not typically learned/used by commercial pilots because they WANT to be seen in radar. It is an advanced aviation (ie. stealth military) technique. This is not the type of flying that autopilot would do. A commercial plane put on autopilot would fly the normal route to a destination, not one with evasive maneuvers.

Here is the map I posted yesterday showing flying by waypoints; it was for some reason deleted. It was posted by Sci-Fi guy on Twitter, and as all the retweets track back to him, I'm assuming this is credited to him, which is why I put his identifying post with the photo:

[JackRiddler]

Whoops, sorry, the "Paper Street" comment was supposed to go in the Fight Club thread.

[Luther Blissett]

The fictional street in Wilmington that Tyler Durden squats on, and the name he chooses for his soap company.

[Zombie Glenn Beck]

There are several locations along the flight path of SIA68 where it could have easily broken contact and flown and landed in Xingjian province, Kyrgyzstan, or Turkmenistan. Each of these final locations would match up almost perfectly with the 7.5 hours of total flight time and trailing SIA68. In addition, these locations are all possibilities that are on the “ARC” and fit with the data provided by Inmarsat from the SATCOM’s last known ping at 01:11UTC.

http://en.trend.az/regions/casia/turkme ... 53561.html

Turkmen President, Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov invited Malaysian Prime Minister, Mohd Najib bin Tun Abdul Razak to visit Turkmenistan during a phone conversation with him, a message from the country's government said.
The phone conversation took place at the initiative of the Malaysian side.
The parties exchanged views on topical aspects of cooperation in fuel and energy, according to the message.
Razak conveyed best wishes from King Mizan Zainal Abidin ibni Al-Marhum Sultan Mahmud al-Muktafi Billah Shah.
"Turkmenistan's president emphasised the great importance attached to the comprehensive strengthening and intensification of interstate relations with Malaysia on a bilateral and multilateral basis, primarily within major international organisations designed to promote peace, security and sustainable development throughout the world, particularly in Central Asia and the Asia-Pacific region," the message from the government said.
The economies of the two countries are mutually complementary. The key spheres of mutual interest include trade, economic, fuel and energy. The two countries opened embassies in July 2013.

http://www.news.com.au/national/uighur- ... 6855911080

CLAIMS by a Malay newspaper that a 35-year-old Uighur man from China’s troubled autonomous Muslim province was on Flight MH370 may be looked at in new light after being written off as irrelevant.
An email sent to journalists, supposedly from representatives from the Uighur separatist movement, claimed for responsibility for the Malaysia Airlines flight’s disappearance.
The emails were dismissed as opportunistic and troublemaking

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/ ... W020140317

"We have two military air bases - a U.S. and a Russian one - deployed in our country and equipped with pretty serious radar equipment, so they would have detected this plane."

Malaysia Airlines chief executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said on Monday that it was unclear exactly when one of the plane's automatic tracking systems had been disabled, appearing to contradict the weekend comments of government ministers.

Suspicions of hijacking or sabotage had hardened further when officials said on Sunday that the last radio message from the plane - an informal "all right, good night" - was spoken after the system, known as "ACARS", was shut down.

Am I the only one getting the vibe that this and that power station attack awhile back are connected somehow? Both are were well planned and were done by very skilled operators, and both were closely related to the tech industry.

[8bitagent]

So weird seeing everyone in the media and even aviation experts playing conspiracy theorist. So far, watching clips from CNN/Al Jazeera/BBC/etc
Ive seen "experts" putting forth the idea the plane was electronically hijacked, that someone may have snuck to the bottom of the plane and hacked the computers, that the plane was stolen for a rogue state,
that this is somehow a realization of the Ramzi Yousef "Bojinka" plot, that the main captain killed the co pilota and knocked out the passengers with dives/oxygen, etc.

I'm waiting for the Onion Article "al Qaeda denies responsibility; says they'll join in effort to help with resources in finding plane"

[justdrew]

it is a little hard to believe that military radar systems would spot a big old return with no transponder and just let it wander off.

[chump]

[seemslikeadream]

sorry if this has already been posted..... signal from the plane seen 7 1/2 hours after take off ...last ping 8:11am .....was in the air longer than it was supposed to be

Rachel Maddow interview with Sarah Bajc .....girl friend of a passenger says plane was brought down....landed somewhere

[norton ash]

All right. I ATE THE PLANE BECAUSE I WAS HUNGRY.

Forgive me it was delicious so sweet and so cold.

[Iamwhomiam]

...the plane was electronically hijacked, that someone may have snuck to the bottom of the plane and hacked the computers...

You're overthinking this. Why would one need to sneak into the belly of the aircraft to hack it? RIsk death when they could hack in with their laptop from the comfort of first class while enjoying a cocktail?

[8bitagent]

So some are working on a theory that in protest of Malaysia's anti gay laws which imprisoned a beloved leader who took on the corrupt powers, this 53 year old well liked man killed his co-pilot and 230 passengers
somehow, and drove the plane into the ocean. With no note. Yeah...ok.

That image is the very reason why this event was scripted as such. No one can deny that there is not now a script. This is why you cause it -- the script writing to happen. You can't shock people's minds into accepting everything they see and hear. It must be scripted. The script is the confusion and the confusion is the script. All large media events are scripted.

This is why Titanic grips us so. The script. Obviously also the show "Lost" -- which I never watched because I thought it was misleading in the sense of the paranormal. But it all foreshadows something. That something is the total takeover of what we believe to be real. Belief. What we take at face value. Forging a new value.

Think about how when the first airliners came "on-line" but with the added interest of Lindbergh and Earhart. Flying through the skies was the "then" "VR" because of the mystery. The two most well-known celebrity aviators are forever conscripted to mystery. And now the "industry of mystery".

Yeah, the creating of a new reality. terrorism isnt shocking. assassinations arent shocking. To truly capture people's imagination you got to really be inventive and out of left field. (not saying I agree this is a scripted event per se)

Speaking of Lost and "Woo" theories...the longer they have no sign of finding this plane, the more you're going to see even the most reputable analysts on tv and in columns losing their minds and beginning to discuss Coast 2 Coast Woo theories. Because eventually they won't find wreckage on the side of the mountain, and once advanced deep water radar has been exhausted...who knows. I definitely see this case getting more bizarre, not more clear(unless they find KSM-esque Dr Evil A-Z plot points on the pilot's flight simulator and computer)

[8bitagent]

...the plane was electronically hijacked, that someone may have snuck to the bottom of the plane and hacked the computers...

You're overthinking this. Why would one need to sneak into the belly of the aircraft to hack it? RIsk death when they could hack in with their laptop from the comfort of first class while enjoying a cocktail?

That's what I was thinking when I saw the CNN clip of a retired CIA analyst and former NTSB guy giving credence to that notion...which is VERY goofy Liam Neeson movie core.
Hell I give more credence to the LOST theory than a lot of the stuff being floated in the media