TRUMP is seriously dangerous

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Postby RocketMan » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:32 pm

-I don't like hoodlums.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:59 am

Saw a clip of Alex Jones and Donald Trump 69'ing each other. My prediction is that 2016 will be take ugly rhetoric and ugly mentalities way into the stratosphere
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:01 pm

Private memo lays out how the GOP would deal with Trump as its nominee

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Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump hugs the American flag as he takes the stage for a town hall meeting in Derry, N.H., on Aug. 19. (Brian Snyder/Reuters)

By Robert Costa and Philip Rucker December 2 at 3:20 PM

Donald Trump has become such a force in the Republican Party that the official overseeing next year’s Senate races has proposed a delicate strategy for GOP candidates: Tap into Trumpism without mimicking Trump.

In a seven-page confidential memo that imagines Trump as the party’s presidential nominee, the head of the National Republican Senatorial Committee urges candidates to adopt many of Trump’s tactics, issues and approaches — right down to adjusting the way they dress and how they use Twitter.

In the memo on “the Trump phenomenon,” NRSC Executive Director Ward Baker said Republicans should embrace Trump’s tough talk about China and “grab onto the best elements of [his] anti-Washington populist agenda.” Above all, they should appeal to voters as genuine and beyond the influence of special interests.

“Trump has risen because voters see him as authentic, independent, direct, firm, — and believe he can’t be bought,” Baker writes. “These are the same character traits our candidates should be advancing in 2016. That’s Trump lesson #1.

Baker’s memo, titled “Observations on Donald Trump and 2016,” amounts to a clear-eyed approach to the Trump challenge, to which many Republican elites have responded with only hand-wringing and the vague hope that somehow, someday it will disappear. In fact, the memo posits that Trump could build a powerful enough coalition to win the general election. Regardless of how far Trump’s candidacy ultimately goes, the memo is evidence of the effect he has had on his party.

Still, Baker sees limits to being like Trump. He writes that it is prudent for Senate candidates to craft their own political brands distinct from Trump’s and to distance themselves by quickly condemning his more controversial comments, such as “wacky things about women.” He cautions candidates against “piling on” Trump, however, warning that Republicans up and down the ballot would suffer if the GOP vote was divided or depressed.

Implied in the memo is an understanding that the national party would back Trump if he secured the nomination — managing his candidacy rather than disowning him as the standard-bearer.

The memo was dated Sept. 22 and addressed to NRSC senior staff members, but it since has been shared more widely and has become the subject of considerable discussion at the highest levels of the party in recent weeks as Trump continues to lead polls in early-voting states and nationally.

The document was shared with The Washington Post by a high-ranking Republican who did so on the condition of anonymity because it was not intended to be made public. Its authenticity was confirmed by a second top GOP official.

Trump is not the only candidate who has attracted Baker’s attention. The NRSC confirmed Wednesday that it has similar strategy memos about the possible nominations of other presidential candidates.

In a statement, NRSC spokeswoman Andrea Bozek said, “It would be malpractice for the Senatorial committee not to prepare our candidates for every possible Republican and Democrat nominee and election scenario.”

Baker begins his memo by foreshadowing Trump accepting the party’s nomination at the Republican National Convention in July in Cleveland. He draws a historical comparison to Wendell Willkie, a businessman and political outsider who won the GOP nomination in 1940 but lost to Franklin D. Roosevelt, who secured his third term.

Baker writes that Republicans must “understand the changing environment and recalibrate now.” For instance, he writes, “Trump is saying that the Emperor has no clothes and he challenges our politically correct times. Our candidates shouldn’t miss this point.”

Baker explains how Trump has connected with voters, especially when it comes to trade with China and immigration. “Trump will continue to advance those messages, but you don’t have to go along with his more extreme positioning,” Baker writes. “Instead, you should stake out turf in the same issue zone and offer your own ideas.”

Addressing Trump’s controversial past statements about women, Baker writes, “Houston, we have a problem.”

“Candidates shouldn’t go near this ground other than to say that your wife or daughter is offended by what Trump said,” Baker adds. “We do not want to re-engage the ‘war on women’ fight.”

Although some of Baker’s recommendations are unique to the current environment, many are standard tactics employed in campaigns past, such as show­casing “citizen narrators” or talking about “basic solutions” to policy problems to make candidates appear as accessible as Trump. This shows the conundrum the GOP is in: In grappling with Trump, it does not have many new tools at its disposal.

Time and again, Baker frames a future with Trump atop the ticket as an intense high-wire act for other Republicans. He calls Trump “a misguided missile” and says he “is subject to farcical fits.” With grim candor, Baker writes that he foresees a campaign year in which candidates repeatedly will have to fend off questions from reporters about the businessman’s comments and behavior.

“It is certain that all GOP candidates will be tied in some way to our nominee, but we need not be tied to him so closely that we have to engage in permanent cleanup or distancing maneuvers,” Baker writes, adding, “Don’t get drawn into every Trump statement and every Trump dust-up.”

Republicans, who hold a slim majority in the Senate, will be defending 24 seats next year, including in presidential battleground states where Democrats are mounting strong challenges. The most endangered GOP incumbents include Sens. Patrick J. Toomey (Pa.), Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Rob Portman (Ohio), Ron Johnson (Wis.) and Mark Kirk (Ill.).

The task of protecting the majority has fallen to Baker, a retired Marine and Tennessee native. He was credited with many successes from the 2014 Senate campaigns and is close to such establishment fixtures as Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.).

For months, veteran Republicans have been increasingly alarmed about the possibility of a Trump nomination. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who is up for reelection in 2016, acknowledged the anxiety Wednesday.

“Of course I worry. All of us have to worry about the viability of the top of the ticket,” McCain told reporters at a breakfast sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor.

McCain made an analogy to Barry Goldwater, a fellow Arizona senator who rallied the conservative grass roots to win the 1964 GOP nomination but lost in a landslide to Lyndon B. Johnson. “I think obviously we all know in history that when you have a weak top of the ticket, that has significant impact,” McCain said.

In his memo, Baker says Republicans should understand that Trump is riding a “reformist wave” sweeping the party’s ranks. It is partly ideological, he writes, but also driven by personality and aesthetics. He suggests that Senate incumbents and challengers should cast themselves as reformers.

Envisioning potential advertisements, Baker writes, “Feature candidates working on an old engine and note how sometimes you have to do a complete overhaul to get things working. Consider featuring a candidate in a field ripping up a rotten tree stump so the field can be cleared and planting can be done.”

Baker encourages campaigns to “up the vibe and change the look.”

“Voters are on to you when you do the standard walk and talk through a business, school, or factory,” he writes. He adds that candidates should “lose the suit and visit people in their homes and places of work.”

Baker also takes cues from Trump’s prolific use of social media to drive his message. “Promote tweets that push reforms or condemn Washington’s dysfunction,” he writes.

He warns against being distracted by Trump. “The Trump show may be going on, but back home our families are in a fight for their livelihoods,” he writes. “Always bring the campaign back home to real people and their daily struggle.”

Baker concludes the memo with a section titled, “Covering the Trump Bet,” which seems to throw cold water on the conventional wisdom that Trump will eventually fade.

“Trump has been gaining Democrat adherents and he’s solidifying GOP cohorts who feel they’ve been totally ignored by the Washington Ruling Class,” Baker writes. “If the environment aligns properly, Trump could win. It’s not a bet most would place now, but it could happen.”
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:51 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/ ... migration/

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called Monday for barring all Muslims from entering the United States.

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.


OK. This guy needs to go away now. I really don't give a shit how many comedians can riff off his shit. This is outta hand and has no place anywhere. He has no ideas but appeals only to the basest instincts. In fact, all republicans should just go away too. Since there is little, in fact no threat that people like me will shoot you because I will never own a gun, here's my Christmas wish list:

No more guns ever unless used for subsistence hunting
No more racism
No more sexism of any sort
No more war

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Nordic » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:32 pm

It's scripted. He's playing a role. We're supposed to react one way or the other.

While the other hand ....... (Starts WW3 it seems)
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Elvis » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:19 am

82_28 wrote:Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States



How do you know if someone is Muslim? That's the problem. Do they carry a card? Does a blood test say? Does Trump have a brain?


I call for a total and complete shutup of Donald Trump!
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:32 am

82_28 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:51 pm wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called Monday for barring all Muslims from entering the United States.

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.


OK. This guy needs to go away now. I really don't give a shit how many comedians can riff off his shit. This is outta hand and has no place anywhere.


Oh it'll get worse. It's not just Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones and the top neo Nazi sites urging their followers to vote Trump, it's the fact that the big money behind the GOP like Koch may not oppose Trump.
Maybe it's a charade, but I can't think of any Republicans in the last 50 years who have said this kind of extremist rhetoric. He makes Bush sound like a progressive. "Trump isn't a fascist" my ass.
If it's all a show for his own ego, it's going to cause REAL life violence when some of the more right wing fringe "Take things into their own hands"
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:35 am

Nordic » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:32 pm wrote:It's scripted. He's playing a role. We're supposed to react one way or the other.

While the other hand ....... (Starts WW3 it seems)


I really do hope it's just a scripted charade. Even if the Clinton spoiler conspiracy isn't true, at this point I'm sure a lot of fellow leftists almost are yearning for the Koch brothers to king make a more "moderate" Republican.
My fear is, even if it is just Trump saying things unhinged to fire up the fringe base, that it leads to real life violence by some of these nutjobs
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Nordic » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:02 am

8bitagent » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:32 am wrote:
82_28 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:51 pm wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called Monday for barring all Muslims from entering the United States.

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.


OK. This guy needs to go away now. I really don't give a shit how many comedians can riff off his shit. This is outta hand and has no place anywhere.


Oh it'll get worse. It's not just Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones and the top neo Nazi sites urging their followers to vote Trump, it's the fact that the big money behind the GOP like Koch may not oppose Trump.
Maybe it's a charade, but I can't think of any Republicans in the last 50 years who have said this kind of extremist rhetoric. He makes Bush sound like a progressive. "Trump isn't a fascist" my ass.
If it's all a show for his own ego, it's going to cause REAL life violence when some of the more right wing fringe "Take things into their own hands"



I think it's all about making Hillary palatable. I can't think of anyone else who has a shot.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:13 am

I think it's all about making Hillary palatable. I can't think of anyone else who has a shot.


I might be wrong in the end but I have been thinking the same thing. She feeds on power and that has been the substrate of her life. I guess they could shove somebody else in the big seat but she has always seemed to want it. Even if Bernie Sanders attempted to enact some of his ideas it would not be permitted and at this stage of his life with his experience he knows that surely. He is probably too smart to become JFK or Martin Luther King.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Elvis » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:17 am

Nordic wrote:I think it's all about making Hillary palatable. I can't think of anyone else who has a shot.



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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby vince » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:41 am

Elvis » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:19 pm wrote:
82_28 wrote:Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States



How do you know if someone is Muslim? That's the problem. Do they carry a card? Does a blood test say? Does Trump have a brain?


I call for a total and complete shutup of Donald Trump!


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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby General Patton » Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:13 am

8bitagent » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:35 am wrote:
Nordic » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:32 pm wrote:It's scripted. He's playing a role. We're supposed to react one way or the other.

While the other hand ....... (Starts WW3 it seems)


I really do hope it's just a scripted charade. Even if the Clinton spoiler conspiracy isn't true, at this point I'm sure a lot of fellow leftists almost are yearning for the Koch brothers to king make a more "moderate" Republican.


You know Trump is controlling the debate by doing this? That's what it's always been about. If you take every message as literal instead of looking at it's effects it's hard to understand it's persuasive effect. It's supposed to make people freak out.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:43 pm

Is it generally accepted here that Hillary has the most institutional oligarchic / plutocratic power backing her? Why her as a figurehead? Wouldn't a Trump as figurehead carry the greatest effect?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby tapitsbo » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:56 pm

Why would the embarrassing, divisive Trump (Rob Ford writ large) be a better figurehead?

Hillary is way closer to deep power (Mark Gorton has a good summary of this). Wasn't she the head of the State Department during the incubation of Islamic State?

Trump's more recent policy ideas (stopping all Muslims from entering the US, etc.) are a complete joke as far as implementation. Designed to get people riled up, and maybe shift the Overton Window for way more pervasive militarization/stage-managed political balkanization. People are being riled up for the corporate/tech-industry hollowing out of civil society (universities, local government, etc, etc.), that seems to be one big item on the agenda.

Also, Trump keeps potential domestic insurgents distracted with the indeed pointless kayfabe of electoral politics.
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