Segregation: A Modest Proposal

[Wombaticus Rex]

Jeez, tough crowd.

No surprise that a sensitive thread stays sensitive, though.

Also: how does Jakell have an avatar that actually moves? That's a thing? It is f'ing alarming.

Props to Luther Blissett and General Patton for a solid exchange. I'd like to see RI be a common ground for people from such opposite ends to exchange Damn Good Points. I also know that is f'ing impossible.

Cheers to the inevitable, I love you all.

[Iamwhomiam]

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"Racism" hasn't been redefined. It's always been a political power exerted by the attitude/stance of the ruing elite. And it has always been used by the ruling elite to misdirect the middle and lower classes (composed of and the race of the racist ruling elite) to focus upon as the root for all their woes, rather than they themselves, the true cause of their discomfort.

No. Once upon a time, the definition of racism was judging people according to their race, one race being better, another being worse. That changed at some point. Presumably some ideologue redefined it some number of years ago to mean what you now think it means and what you claim it has always meant retroactively. I'd like to know who and when.

Please don't say "no." We are both correct.
This: "Once upon a time, the definition of racism was judging people according to their race, one race being better, another being worse." is true still, and would be the definition you'd receive from anyone understanding the difference between a bigot and a racist, excepting perhaps in academic circles. But the reason for the creation of race was to enable one, its creator, to "legitimately" exert their unmatchable power over others for political and financial gain.

That we are now modeling our educational (?) materials (wiki) to do away with the term "race" is fine with me. The only subhumans we have were once humans before choosing to exploit other humans for their benefit.

Capitalism, like racism, works until it doesn't.

[Iamwhomiam]

Its really funny, that we're even discussing this as if it was a threat to anyone other than our minority citizens.

During discussions with gun owners that drift to the influx of Mexican and other American migrants into the United States illegally and seeking asylum, and listening to their fears this situation was thought by them to present, to raise the pitch of their cries just a little I would often remind them how soon they would become the minority population living in this country.

[FourthBase]

Its really funny, that we're even discussing this as if it was a threat to anyone other than our minority citizens.

During discussions with gun owners that drift to the influx of Mexican and other American migrants into the United States illegally and seeking asylum, and listening to their fears this situation was thought by them to present, to raise the pitch of their cries just a little I would often remind them how soon they would become the minority population living in this country.

So then...uhhh...?

[Iamwhomiam]

Dude, I'll be long dead - I've no time for worrying about science fiction scenarios.

And I've got biracial descendants.

[FourthBase]

Dude, I'll be long dead - I've no time for worrying about science fiction scenarios.

And I've got biracial descendants.

You realize that's the same logic used by lots of people who've decided not to give a shit about climate change, right? You care about climate change, right? Even though you'll be dead? You'd care even if your particular descendants had access to a climate-proof bunker, right? I understand that you might consider climate change to be an utter fact and not at all like science fiction, but the forecasts are necessarily speculative, right? If the decision to care about climate change were limited to only the effects occurring today only to the extent they're occurring today, without any extrapolating, then the concern, the pitched cries, not to mention the frantic doomsaying...that would all seem ridiculous, right? Nevermind how ridiculous it would've seemed decades ago, with less data, less momentum. Why not care about the social equivalent of climate change, then?

[backtoiam]

Luther I wrote this for you brother...

Have faith my brother. In stupid backward ass rural america we live in a luxury mostly free of racial hatred, contrary to what urbanites might believe. As I said, there are a very small handfull of idiots that choose not to mix in cohesive manner on both sides.

The rest of us ignore the racial hatred meme. You know why? We don't experience it. Its as rare as finding a skunk under my driveway. It happens, but not often.

I understand that you have rural areas that you "can visit" but visitation is no substitute for living and residing in racial strife free rural america. I will be honest with you, I see the stories about "gangs of racial individuals" roaming around urban areas and it scares me to death.

One night I was on an interstate highway. I fucked up and decided to attempt to take a shortcut through a city area. All I had was map. Very unfortunate decision. I ended up in a "neighborhood" as urbanites describe these. I was naive enough to roll down my window and ask for directions. The "homies" started kicking my car and threatening to drag me out of the car. I was so terrified. I turned around, and without running any of them over with car, made my escape.

Urban areas scare the hell out of me. Especially New York.

I promise you that in the rest of "ignorant rural fly over don't buy the racial hate meme land", it is the land of racial tolerance, perhaps small pockets of racially stupid people, that are definitely the exception to the rule.

We live our lives, mostly but not always, by the golden rule. We are not jammed together in tight urban areas, and artificially antagonized into hating each other. We feast together. We like each other. We live together in peace and harmony and we don't understand what all the racial problems are truly about.

(of course i do, but trust me, the rest of these folks have not discovered that they should hate each other yet)


We constitute the majority of the land mass of the United States, and also the least populated. We live in peace.

I'm tempted to tell you that my family is full of half black and white people but I shouldn't because that would cause you to think that my cultural experiences are isolated. But they are not. I didn't even know I had half breeds in my family until about 6 years ago.

I have lived all over this country, urban and rural, and I have never encountered, with the exception of maybe a couple of isolated instances, with an overt in your face case of racism that deserved the attention of anybody.

The rest is bullshit.

Join the movement brother, your lens is your perspective. Propagating meme is destroying the harmonic fabric of society, and really nothing else.

"The mind, in and of itself, is it's own place, and it can make a hell of heaven, or a heaven of hell." John Milton. From the book "Paradise Lost"

Don't lose paradise brother, life is short. Some of us are living it free of racial strife, right here, in bumfunk racially torn "rural" America.

Welcome to the dream. Your perspective is your weapon against mental misery, and it also keeps you from inflicting misery upon the rest of humanity.

I understand that your environmental conditions might be stressful, if so, I wish it were not so. Maybe you should move to peaceful flyover country where the grass is green?

just sayin...

But I appreciate your perspective, more than you know. It helps me parse all this madness with racial meme. And bless you, and may your life be more peaceful. I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

[Elvis]

Also: how does Jakell have an avatar that actually moves? That's a thing?

Simulist's avatar is animated, too, as are some others. My guess is they are GIFs?

[Sounder]

backtoiam wrote...

I am under the impression that fourthbase is simply saying that the definition, and hence the meaning of, the word "racism" has been bastardized and defaced in an intentional manner so that it's an intentional weapon of cultural destruction.

Thanks for this.

[jakell]

Also: how does Jakell have an avatar that actually moves? That's a thing?

Simulist's avatar is animated, too, as are some others. My guess is they are GIFs?

Nah, it's magic, pure and simple, no rational explanation works. Some of us are special I suppose.

I thought of Simulist's when WR wrote that, his is a bit mind boggling though, hopefully mine is a bit more soothing. the first one I ever saw was the 'fly' one, which is quite subtle and not immediately noticeable.

[backtoiam]

I always assumed that the jakell avatar was the symbol of yin and yang coming together, in a pool of possibility, that arises from the primordial soup, becoming the one, which occurs from the wave interference of opposite polarities. i could be wrong.

am i wrong jackell?

i agree that it is disturbing because it moves, but then again, my focal apparatus is my own, and with it, I can look or not look. but when i look, i get dizzy, looking has always made me dizzy, so carry on...

all you fuckers make me dizzy...

[jakell]

I always assumed that the jakell avatar was the symbol of yin and yang coming together, in a pool of possibility, that arises from the primordial soup, becoming the one, which occurs from the wave interference of opposite polarities. i could be wrong.

am i wrong jackell?

i agree that it is disturbing because it moves, but then again, my focal apparatus is my own, and with it, I can look or not look. but when i look, i get dizzy, looking has always made me dizzy, so carry on...

all you fuckers make me dizzy...

Could be, but as it's a basic science thing I would try to avoid metaphysical interpretation. Here though we don't have opposite polarities interacting, but identical ones (the wave sources), so it would be interesting to speculate where the 'yang' lies.

In these days of (over) complex science ruminations, I like to think back to more basic demonstations and this is a good one IMO. This picture was taken from a Wiki page, it is interesting that they decided to make the colours so psychedelic though.

[zangtang]

I was hoping it was an owl, because i'm big on them at present,
but its pretty obviously just Hypn-Toad in infra-red.....................

[tapitsbo]

Interesting how Noel Ignatiev and Gilad Atzmon each call for the destruction of a racial/ethnic identity, yet AD supports one and condemns the other...

[Luther Blissett]

Luther I wrote this for you brother...

Have faith my brother. In stupid backward ass rural america we live in a luxury mostly free of racial hatred, contrary to what urbanites might believe. As I said, there are a very small handfull of idiots that choose not to mix in cohesive manner on both sides.

The rest of us ignore the racial hatred meme. You know why? We don't experience it. Its as rare as finding a skunk under my driveway. It happens, but not often.

I understand that you have rural areas that you "can visit" but visitation is no substitute for living and residing in racial strife free rural america. I will be honest with you, I see the stories about "gangs of racial individuals" roaming around urban areas and it scares me to death.

One night I was on an interstate highway. I fucked up and decided to attempt to take a shortcut through a city area. All I had was map. Very unfortunate decision. I ended up in a "neighborhood" as urbanites describe these. I was naive enough to roll down my window and ask for directions. The "homies" started kicking my car and threatening to drag me out of the car. I was so terrified. I turned around, and without running any of them over with car, made my escape.

Urban areas scare the hell out of me. Especially New York.

I promise you that in the rest of "ignorant rural fly over don't buy the racial hate meme land", it is the land of racial tolerance, perhaps small pockets of racially stupid people, that are definitely the exception to the rule.

We live our lives, mostly but not always, by the golden rule. We are not jammed together in tight urban areas, and artificially antagonized into hating each other. We feast together. We like each other. We live together in peace and harmony and we don't understand what all the racial problems are truly about.

(of course i do, but trust me, the rest of these folks have not discovered that they should hate each other yet)


We constitute the majority of the land mass of the United States, and also the least populated. We live in peace.

I'm tempted to tell you that my family is full of half black and white people but I shouldn't because that would cause you to think that my cultural experiences are isolated. But they are not. I didn't even know I had half breeds in my family until about 6 years ago.

I have lived all over this country, urban and rural, and I have never encountered, with the exception of maybe a couple of isolated instances, with an overt in your face case of racism that deserved the attention of anybody.

The rest is bullshit.

Join the movement brother, your lens is your perspective. Propagating meme is destroying the harmonic fabric of society, and really nothing else.

"The mind, in and of itself, is it's own place, and it can make a hell of heaven, or a heaven of hell." John Milton. From the book "Paradise Lost"

Don't lose paradise brother, life is short. Some of us are living it free of racial strife, right here, in bumfunk racially torn "rural" America.

Welcome to the dream. Your perspective is your weapon against mental misery, and it also keeps you from inflicting misery upon the rest of humanity.

I understand that your environmental conditions might be stressful, if so, I wish it were not so. Maybe you should move to peaceful flyover country where the grass is green?

just sayin...

But I appreciate your perspective, more than you know. It helps me parse all this madness with racial meme. And bless you, and may your life be more peaceful. I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

Did this really happen to you? It's an offensive subplot to a National Lampoon movie from the 80s. Did it happen within the last 30 years? It seems just nearly unfathomable. People will say hello to you as you pass even in the most bombed-out neighborhood in this city, which has the most deep poverty of any large city in the country. I moved here in the 90s when violent crime was way worse and I have never been the victim of violence here (other than once, in which the perpetrators were white, and I was intervening in the street harassment of some women) despite my proclivity for walking home from late-night dance parties in warehouse districts with few streetlights and crumbling infrastructure.

New York is one of the safest places in this country. It's Candyland. I was in Brooklyn last weekend and frankly even I wanted to mug everyone, because I felt like the wealth and privilege on display was just that ostentatious. I'm being facetious but it's to illustrate that New York is far from dangerous. I attended an event at a ~500 acre cemetery at night with no lights or guides when I was there.

I'm almost sure you're trolling me and so I feel like a fool for responding, but I had to anyway.