Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Canadian_watcher » Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:12 pm

are you listening, Ben Affleck?
lmao
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:33 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:are you listening, Ben Affleck?
lmao


Yep. Laugh off your ass. Just who do I think I am, anyway? Who do I think I could be? Don't I realize that I'm just an inconsequential poster on some meaningless message board? Just like everyone else here? How dare anyone here feel like any of us could ever make a notable difference like bitchslapping on a national level the reputation of a legitimately-important human being like Ben Affleck. How could I be so naive and arrogant to think the world at large would ever listen to any of us? Look at us, we're nobodies. We can't change anything. There's nothing special about any of us, except for the special way we can all be one big victimhood-accepting doom-fearing family.

Oh, wait...

Yep. Laugh off your ass. Just who do I think I am, anyway? Who do I think I could be? Don't I realize that I'm just an inconsequential poster on some meaningless message board? Just like everyone else here? How dare anyone here feel like any of us could ever make a notable difference like bitchslapping on a national level the reputation of a legitimately-important human being like Ben Affleck. How could I be so naive and arrogant to think the world at large would ever listen to any of us? Look at us, we're nobodies. We can't change anything. There's nothing special about any of us, except for the special way we can all be one big victimhood-accepting doom-fearing family.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:45 pm

hiddenite wrote:http://3dblogger.typepad.com/minding_russia/2013/04/novaya-gazeta-finds-possible-ties-of-tsarnaev-to-extremist-underground-in-dagestan.html

The original and complete Novaya Gazeta article , from which the Telegraph and NY Times built their stories.


I found an inconsistency (what a shocker!) in this article:

It was determined that Tsarnaev came to Makhachkala at the end of January 2012 to see his father and to turn in his Russian passport. He didn’t have a return ticket. During his stay in Dagestan, Tamerlan lived in Makhachkala the entire time and only in March went for a brief period to the Chechen Republic to see his relatives in the Tsarnaevs’ native village of Chiri-Yurt


He couldn't have come to Makhachkala at the end of January 2012 to see his father because his father didn't live there until May!

And now the villain, aside from the two conveniently dead compatriots of Tamerlan's, is WAMY. Which is supposed to make us forget Misha, which is supposed to make us forget Uncle Ruslan. Not operating off their "A script"? You betcha!
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:11 pm

stillrobertpaulsen wrote:
hiddenite wrote:http://3dblogger.typepad.com/minding_russia/2013/04/novaya-gazeta-finds-possible-ties-of-tsarnaev-to-extremist-underground-in-dagestan.html

The original and complete Novaya Gazeta article , from which the Telegraph and NY Times built their stories.


I found an inconsistency (what a shocker!) in this article:

It was determined that Tsarnaev came to Makhachkala at the end of January 2012 to see his father and to turn in his Russian passport. He didn’t have a return ticket. During his stay in Dagestan, Tamerlan lived in Makhachkala the entire time and only in March went for a brief period to the Chechen Republic to see his relatives in the Tsarnaevs’ native village of Chiri-Yurt


He couldn't have come to Makhachkala at the end of January 2012 to see his father because his father didn't live there until May!

And now the villain, aside from the two conveniently dead compatriots of Tamerlan's, is WAMY. Which is supposed to make us forget Misha, which is supposed to make us forget Uncle Ruslan. Not operating off their "A script"? You betcha!


:clapping:

Standing ovation, really.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby hiddenite » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:21 pm

stillrobertpaulsen wrote:
hiddenite wrote:http://3dblogger.typepad.com/minding_russia/2013/04/novaya-gazeta-finds-possible-ties-of-tsarnaev-to-extremist-underground-in-dagestan.html

The original and complete Novaya Gazeta article , from which the Telegraph and NY Times built their stories.


I found an inconsistency (what a shocker!) in this article:

It was determined that Tsarnaev came to Makhachkala at the end of January 2012 to see his father and to turn in his Russian passport. He didn’t have a return ticket. During his stay in Dagestan, Tamerlan lived in Makhachkala the entire time and only in March went for a brief period to the Chechen Republic to see his relatives in the Tsarnaevs’ native village of Chiri-Yurt


He couldn't have come to Makhachkala at the end of January 2012 to see his father because his father didn't live there until May!

And now the villain, aside from the two conveniently dead compatriots of Tamerlan's, is WAMY. Which is supposed to make us forget Misha, which is supposed to make us forget Uncle Ruslan. Not operating off their "A script"? You betcha!


The blog that came from, I did find the original original,but the babblefish translation was awful, is run by a right-wing Russian expert , but she does have access to some interesting material. I agree, it is written using the anonymous testimony of Russian insiders whose push is for the Chechen rebel angle . I think that the NY Review of books suddenly has the scoop on Misha is an interesting jump .
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:20 pm

hiddenite wrote:
stillrobertpaulsen wrote:
hiddenite wrote:http://3dblogger.typepad.com/minding_russia/2013/04/novaya-gazeta-finds-possible-ties-of-tsarnaev-to-extremist-underground-in-dagestan.html

The original and complete Novaya Gazeta article , from which the Telegraph and NY Times built their stories.


I found an inconsistency (what a shocker!) in this article:

It was determined that Tsarnaev came to Makhachkala at the end of January 2012 to see his father and to turn in his Russian passport. He didn’t have a return ticket. During his stay in Dagestan, Tamerlan lived in Makhachkala the entire time and only in March went for a brief period to the Chechen Republic to see his relatives in the Tsarnaevs’ native village of Chiri-Yurt


He couldn't have come to Makhachkala at the end of January 2012 to see his father because his father didn't live there until May!

And now the villain, aside from the two conveniently dead compatriots of Tamerlan's, is WAMY. Which is supposed to make us forget Misha, which is supposed to make us forget Uncle Ruslan. Not operating off their "A script"? You betcha!


The blog that came from, I did find the original original,but the babblefish translation was awful, is run by a right-wing Russian expert , but she does have access to some interesting material. I agree, it is written using the anonymous testimony of Russian insiders whose push is for the Chechen rebel angle . I think that the NY Review of books suddenly has the scoop on Misha is an interesting jump .


It is interesting, I'm glad you posted it. I like some of what she wrote after the article translation (noting the convenience of the dead Nidal and Plotnikov, the possibility of it being a disinfo campaign) but wanted to point out on this site the discrepancy of the absent father which was not noted at the link. Yeah, I'm wondering if by being purposely vague the identity of the Rasputin-like Misha, Tsarni was hoping to prolong the wild goose chase in time for a story like this to hit the New York Times and the rest of MSM. Not on Hopsicker's watch!
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:26 pm

so sick of hearing about "inspire magazine". I just made this parody

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Canadian_watcher » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:33 pm

:lol2: "How to restore the Caliphate, Artisinal DIY Style"
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:33 pm

FourthBase wrote:You mangled the link tags, hiddenite, here it is again:

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/20 ... ha-speaks/

Don't neglect the comments, there are some great ones there, great questions.


I noticed one of the comments is from someone I used to do research with on the Plame Threads at Democratic Underground back in 2004, leveymg. I've always found his research skills fantastic, so I'll quote him:

leveymg wrote:“I continue to think that the main thesis of this story is not that the FBI dropped the ball, but that the FSB held the ball. They let nature take its course, with deadly results.”

That’s an intriguing observation, and I think you’ve captured the thing by its tail or at least a toe. There is little question that the Russians,
given the chance, would “let nature take its course” and allow a Chechen terrorist
group such as the Caucasian Emirate blowback on its foreign handlers.

There is, in addition, an added dimension to this and that’s the perennial “intelligence failure” caused by U.S. alphabet agencies not
sharing certain types of information. Even after 9/11, not all compartmentalized programs are revealed to the FBI, Counterterrorism
Fusion Centers and the JTTFs. Hence, we again see headlines, such as this, “CIA Didn’t Share Info with FBI”, Compare,
http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.c...
with http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/stor...

Islamic radicalization of exile groups isn't just an
accident, it's been an operational program going back to the late 1970s carried out by US, Canadian and half a dozen allied intelligence services. In the US it originally had the Code
Name "Cyclone," and while ostensibly that CIA program was shut down after the 1993 WTC and "Landmarks" bombing cases, it continued through other means, mainly through a cooperation agreement (the "Safari Club") with the Saudis. See, http://journals.democraticunde...

That sort of coordination of exile groups continues through the present operations against Syria. These covert operations against the Russians and their allies are still ongoing and they remain global in scope.

Finally, I also share the gut feeling that this story, and a similar one that sprang up in Canada --
http://news.nationalpost.com/2...
-- doesn’t smell right, and we’ll see more modified limited hangouts like this.


He brought up another good point here regarding the charges against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev:

leveymg wrote:Why a sealed indictment? Not like we don't know what he did. Or, do we?

Stranger and stranger.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:38 pm

Remember, aside from Iraq, Bush has a creepy weird habit of telling the truth.
New interview with Bush on the possible wider Boston conspiracy.

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Canadian_watcher » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:42 pm

Ugh, IanEye that video made my stomach turn. That was awful, awful to see.

reminded me of the vid Morgan Spurlock in Israel. (and it's not about Morgan Spurlock, I'm not a fan really) - it's about this hateful shutting down of another human being just because you don't agree with their POV. Horrible. I can't stand to watch it - it happened at my condo meeting a few months ago - a new guy who happens to be middle eastern was trying to speak and the white old people who live here shut him down rudely. There was no reason for it - I could not believe my eyes. Anyway here's spurlock in israel if you haven't seen it:

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Simulist » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:47 pm

8bitagent wrote:Remember, aside from Iraq, Bush has a creepy weird habit of telling the truth.
New interview with Bush on the possible wider Boston conspiracy.


I watched the video, but I'm pretty nonplussed by it.

Even if the official 9/11 narrative were completely true, 9/11 was still clearly a "conspiracy" — just a conspiracy organized by Al Queda. In this (rare) case, George W. Bush didn't misspeak at all, even though he appears to have thought better of the nuances the word, "conspiracy," would surely evoke in the minds of some.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Canadian_watcher » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:51 pm

he might have remembered that he ordered the country not to tolerate consipiracy theories.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:21 pm

8bit, that parody is FUCKING FANTASTIC! :lol: :thumbsup :praybow
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