#OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:20 pm

The people I talk to locally are much the same. The level of hatred is intense. Then again, the same could be said for the people marching with us at protests, I've heard plenty of enlightened hippie types having dead-serious conversations about mass assassinations and internment camps for "the 1%" -- so I guess it's endemic to the species.

In the spirit of Solzhenitsyn, I literally beat my computer to death with my fists last week in a blackout rage attack so I guess I've got the same streak running through my own soul.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Project Willow » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:21 pm

Bruce D, in similar conversations on the net, this theory has been offered:

http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/iie/v3n2/justworld.html

Afterwards, they said that the 22-year-old woman was bound to attract attention. She was wearing a white lace miniskirt, a green tank top, and no underwear. At knife-point, she was kidnapped from a Fort Lauderdale restaurant parking lot by a Georgia drifter and raped twice. But a jury showed little sympathy for the victim. The accused rapist was acquitted. "We all feel she asked for it [by] the way she was dressed," said the jury foreman.


The just-world hypothesis (also called the just-world theory, just-world fallacy, just-world effect, or just-world phenomenon) refers to the tendency for people to want to believe that the world is fundamentally just. As a result, when they witness an otherwise inexplicable injustice they rationalize it by searching for things that the victim might have done to deserve it. This deflects their anxiety, and lets them continue to believe the world is a just place, but often at the expense of blaming victims for things that were not, objectively, their fault.[citation needed]

Another theory entails the need to protect one's own sense of invulnerability. This inspires people to believe that rape, for example, only happens to those who deserve or provoke the assault. This is a way of feeling safer. If the potential victim avoids the behaviors of the past victims then they themselves will remain safe and feel less vulnerable.


In my debate with my old high school friends they laughed at me for claiming the victim is never to blame. They said my view of the world was naive and unsophisticated. :eeyaa
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby crikkett » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:25 pm

norton ash wrote:To the Editor:
We've got a seriously long road to hoe.


You hoe a row, as in a garden or beanfield. Sorry, personal bugbear, had to do it.


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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby norton ash » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:27 pm

(Re rage, Bruce and Wombat...)

That anger, it's in me, it's in all of us. Know your shadow.

I got a Citi Financial letter offering me a loan at 29.5% a few minutes ago. Immediate urge to spit on my hands, raise the black flag and start slitting throats.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:41 pm

norton ash wrote:(Re rage, Bruce and Wombat...)

That anger, it's in me, it's in all of us. Know your shadow.

I got a Citi Financial letter offering me a loan at 29.5% a few minutes ago. Immediate urge to spit on my hands, raise the black flag and start slitting throats.


But I'm not even referring to the anger.

I'm referring to the completely bizarre schadenfreude of people taking glee in the fascist machinations of a corrupt system.

Cognitive dissonance overload, with roads to hoe, for all intensive purposes...

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby barracuda » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:41 pm

Bruce Dazzling wrote:
barracuda wrote:


From the comments:

I 'liked' this video... because I 'liked' you getting hit and because I 'liked' your squealing like a little girl after getting hit by something no more powerful than a paintball pellet.

If you're going to taunt a line of police in riot gear in the middle of the night with a camera- you should probably dress for the occasion, Cupcake.

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Are people like this a completely different fucking species?

I mean, fucking really man, who thinks like this??????

We've got a seriously long road to hoe.


Listen, the right wing spends hours and money painting the OWS protests black and red all day long on television, talk radio, the web, and any other media they can get their hands on. It works on a certain spectrum of the population, and represents a proven profitable business model.

I've heard a lot of talk about creating a counter-movement to force the occupation to leave, on this order:

And I was thinking about this. We all have the right to free speech, which anyone can do at any time. We all have the right to petition the government for “redress of grievances”, which anyone can do at any time. And we all have the right to hold a rally, like the Tea Party movement has done on several occasions, though we were totally ignored by this socialist administration and most of the Congress, and even lied about, smeared and called names by the Marxists, as they continue to borrow, spend and tax this country into an eventual Great Collapse.

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What they don’t have the right to do, and Glenn’s guest was right about this, is to stage - not a demonstration or rally, but an occupation, meant to “bring down” our relatively free market system, capitalism and our individual rights along with it. ( “Capitalism” is, after all, simply the right to own your life and property. )

They don’t have a right to trash things and make parts of these cities uninhabitable in the process. This is an insurrection and these are the kinds of dangerous mobs that led to socialist/communist collapses in eastern bloc countries during the rise of the Soviet Union, and the people in those countries never knew what hit them, until it was too late!

So yes, these people have said their piece, they’ve held rallies and demonstrated, but an Occupation should not be tolerated and they should now be “read the riot act” by the police, and be told to disperse and leave! And if they refuse, the police should force them to disperse!

Update 11-4-11: When I wrote the above blog, I was a little behind on my GBTV. On Tuesday, Glenn Beck reported ( with several video news clips! ) that these “Occupy” Marxist globalist insurrectionists are in fact running their occupied areas as rape camps!

Women, as well as even one man, have been raped, and they’re preventing it from being reported, “for the good of the revolution” and “for the collective good”, which of course outweighs the rights of the individuals being raped and the laws that say that felony crimes must be reported! These crimes would absolutely not be tolerated if the right were doing them, especially the Tea Party movement! Yes, these camps should be shut down, and they should be shut down now and these Marxist revolutionary insurrections should be dispersed immediately!


This is a type of reality. I am assuming for the moment that they will be shown to have been on the wrong side of history. But I have no doubt that when the shit hits the fan, when the Eurozone falls, when social security gets cut, when the next war starts, there will be those who will need to blame the stinking hippy socialists for all of it.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Plutonia » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:45 pm

Re: the prophesies. If anyone is interested, in August every year, the World Council Fire convenes in Michigan - it's a traditional gathering that predates contact, part of the Six Nations Confederacy that's open to people from all nations. The Elders and Headmen there track world events and interpret prophesy. The real deal.

Laodicean wrote:revisiting the debate between the use of violence vs. nonviolence...


Anyone know where Occupy Rome is at right now? :?


Re: the hate spew - Haters gonna Hate:

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby barracuda » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:42 pm

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby elfismiles » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:42 pm

Beautiful symmetry of him appearing at Occupy Wall Street and having played the head of the greedy Ferengi's GRAND NAGUS on Start Trek: Deep Space Nine ...

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Have been contemplating the portrayal of the Ferengi's and and the whole OWS.

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby 2012 Countdown » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:09 pm

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Lone Protester Wrapped in Flag Makes Stand in Atlanta
By Associated Press
07 November 11

Bailey Sablock, in the tradition of the anonymous man who stood in front of a column of Chinese tanks in Tiananmen Square, wrapped herself in an American Flag and refused to leave the site of Occupy Atlanta. Bailey's name should be added to the growing list of heroes around the world since the beginning of the Arab Spring. While many put their lives on the line, Bailey risked her freedom and went to jail. -- SMG/RSN

http://readersupportednews.org/news-sec ... in-atlanta

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Occupy Wall Street Protesters Occupy Harlem Boiler Room, Get Tenants Heat And Hot Water

First Posted: 11/7/11 05:24 PM ET Updated: 11/7/11 05:55 PM ET


One by one, the Occupy Wall Street protesters trickled in to Queen Mother Dr. Delois Blakely's second-floor walk-up in Harlem. They sat cross-legged on the floor or leaned in the doorways, passing muffins and listening to Blakely, a veteran activist and former nun, who praised their youth and the virtues of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

But mostly she talked about the tragedy that had befallen her building, which decades earlier had been a haven for struggling mothers and their families. The building, home now mostly to elderly women, has been without heat and hot water off and on for years.

The building's eight tenants have little neighborly love to spare for each other. Blakely sees the problems with the boiler as part of a campaign by the tenants' board to force out current tenants in order to charge higher rents to wealthier ones who are moving into the neighborhood, which is a rapidly gentrifying part of Harlem.

As evidence she points to the broken steps that have gone unrepaired for months, the mounting code violations and the non-working boiler, among other things. According to the city's housing and preservation agency, there are currently 293 open violations at the location, including violations for not providing heat, hot water and not providing ready access to the boiler room.

Blakely claimed the landlord had refused to hand over a key to the boiler room so that maintenance workers could install a new one. That was, until a band of about a dozen Occupy Wall Street protesters last week occupied the building's basement and refused to leave until the landlord complied with Blakely's demand that the boiler be replaced.

After an all-day occupation on Halloween and the arrest of one protester, the landlord relented, allowing access to the boiler room. By late Friday evening, workers were clanging and banging away in the basement, dismantling the old clunker and clearing space for a new boiler, provided in part by an emergency order by the city, Blakely said.

Attempts to reach the landlord for comment were not successful.

"I've been fighting to keep this building for the community," Blakely said. "But I'm an old lady. I had no man-power."

So she said she went down to Zuccotti Park, home base for the Occupy Wall Street protests, and recruited activists.

"I saw all of these young children that had real skill and ability," she said. "I said to them, 'We're done with all the massaging and intellectualizing. What's next? If you really want to see what's really going on, [follow me],'" she recalled telling the protesters at a General Assembly. "It's time for action."

All hands went up and were wiggling, she said, the sign of agreement at Occupy Wall Street.

Operation Occupy 477 Sugarhill was in full effect. Fliers and emails calling for protesters went out, and volunteers headed uptown. Blakely's modest apartment became headquarters for the latest operation born of Occupy Wall Street. They arrived with sleeping bags and boundless good will, Blakely said. On any given day, there are between a dozen and 25 protesters on site, with about 10 core members who stay on the property around the clock, Blakely said.

"This was a situation where we could take direct action and do something right now and help real people," said one of the protesters, who gave his name only as Semi, a 25-year-old who drove up from North Carolina to join OWS.

Tony Cochran, 25, from Portland, Ore., agreed, chiming in that actions like this "make it a real issue." As the young men talked about further actions and working on behalf of the oppressed and the 99 percent of Americans who have been victimized by the rich and greedy, Blakely looked on like a proud mother. Blakely, a former nun with the Franciscan Handmaids of the Most Pure Heart of Mary, an order of African-American nuns based in Harlem, said that a group of young people affiliated with the New Future Foundation, a not-for-profit that she founded in the late '60s, came across the building in 1978. It was abandoned then, but with the help of volunteers from the community, they turned the place around. She said she worked out a deal with the city to purchase the building for $2,000, which would be paid by shareholders paying $250 each.

She said she canvassed the community and passed out fliers looking for tenants to purchase apartments in the building, particularly women in need. Several of the original tenants still live there today.

But the goodwill has soured over the past few decades. Many of the women whom she helped in the beginning have since turned against her, she said, pushing her aside to move forward with their own plans for the building. From a big chair in her living room, Blakely spun a tale of backstabbing and deceit, of greed and ill will, of predatory lenders, fake lawyers and a $650,000 mortgage, which she believes was taken out illegally on the building by one of the board members, that has yet to be accounted for. "I was the dishwasher, the garbage collector, the snow digger, the mopper, the exterminator -- I was everything when I first came here," Blakely said. "I was trying to save the world, but that's not the reality of the world that I live in," she said. "Everybody doesn't think like me. They went from women in need to women in greed."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/0 ... tml?ref=tw

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Crosby & Nash Will Occupy Wall Street
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby freemason9 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:20 pm

I've been thinking lately that the OWS movement is great theater and little else. To change the system, pain will need to be inflicted on some level on someone on behalf of someone. This movement doesn't do that, although it does create discussion and--perhaps--unwelcome attention to a brutal and evil economic system in America.

I don't know how the "change event" will come about, or what form it will take. I'm too old, lazy, and settled to risk much in that manner; I have been involved in too many losing efforts. I don't have the energy or the faith anymore, but I am willing to bet that some youthful enterprising patriots will come up with a fetching idea that can have an effect. The problem is, though, is that leadership is a real necessity. Someone must italicize the rhetoric and carry the banner. So the popular narrative of "no leaders" in the OWS movement will need to go away (I wouldn't be surprised at all if it were planted, in fact).

Real societal change is wrenching. Don't expect a gradually growing movement; whatever happens can happen quickly and virtually overnight. Keep your eyes open!

May you live in interesting times . . .
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Laodicean » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:20 pm

Jeff wrote:


In case you missed it. That is a must see/listen/share. Mr. Ratigan summed up the Whole Thing That Is Going On quite nicely.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Jeff » Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:09 pm



I just created and posted this.
A nod to the spiritual aspect of the Occupation Movement, with video of Jewish, Christian, Muslim, interfaith and post-faith services at Occupy Wall Street, the faces of Spanish Indignants, and images of police brutality and mass mobilization from Oakland, set to the music of Martyn Bennett's "Liberation."

All credit to the original videographers, Martyn Bennett, the Occupiers and Indignants.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Allegro » Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:38 pm

Jeff wrote:I just created and posted this.
A nod to the spiritual aspect of the Occupation Movement, with video of Jewish, Christian, Muslim, interfaith and post-faith services at Occupy Wall Street, the faces of Spanish Indignants, and images of police brutality and mass mobilization from Oakland, set to the music of Martyn Bennett's "Liberation."

All credit to the original videographers, Martyn Bennett, the Occupiers and Indignants. [REFER.]
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby norton ash » Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:49 pm

Bravo, psalmist.
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