Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby dbcooper41 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:52 am

i know this has been called a high media event which explains the video of the explosions but, it was quite a while after the real racers had finished so the main stream guys probably weren't still taping.
question, does anyone know who the most prominent high quality pics and videos are actually credited to? some pics are really high quality and i find it hard to believe they just happened to be capture by amateurs. so who exactly took the videos?
the footage of the first explosion is strange because the camera then pans left towards the upcoming second explosion, and away from the first.
kinda like the 9/11 naudet film which pans away from the towers to show "crowd action"

also a boston news website had footage taken of the event by one of their employees, but now the video can't be found on their own website.
did it conflict with the official story?

and was this really at 666 boylston st? right!!! :wink
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby IanEye » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:00 am

dbcooper41 wrote:i know this has been called a high media event which explains the video of the explosions but, it was quite a while after the real racers had finished so the main stream guys probably weren't still taping.


in terms of local mainstream media, all of the big stations CBS (WBZ channel 4), ABC (WCVB channel 5), and NBC (WHDH channel 7) dedicate the entire day to coverage of the Marathon. All of them continue to run their cameras at the finish line until the evening. it has been this way for years.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby dbcooper41 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:16 am

looking at some videos i can now see there were an awful of of photographers in the area.
but why did this site pull their video of the actual explaosion. but they did link to the cbs video.
was someting shown on their tape?
http://deadspin.com/heres-video-of-the-moment-the-boston-marathon-bombs-ex-473015503
4/15/13 3:34pm 4/15/13 3:34pm

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Here's Video Of The Moment The Boston Marathon Bombs Exploded
Explosions At The Boston Marathon; 3 Dead, Scores InjuredMinutes after two bombs
exploded near the finish line of the Boston Marathon at 2:50 p.m., reports…
Read…It's very glitchy, but here's the moment the bombs exploded near the Boston
Marathon finish line, from WBZ's camera mounted there
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While the quality leaves a lot to be desired, it's the best shot we've seen so far of how and where the
explosions occurred and how quickly first responders reacted to the event.
Here's what ran on WHDH:(Video removed by request of CBS. View it here.)Intense
video of the first explosion, from Steve Silva, Boston.com producer

the :"(Video removed by request of CBS. View it here.)" remark links to the cbs footage which doesn't seem to be the same as the "glitchy" video of the actual explosion.
the glitchy shots were from a mounted camera.

also if you look at the linked to cbs video it definetly pans left to capture the second explosion.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby dbcooper41 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:21 am

here's steve silva's "raw unedited" video of the explosion. it's much rougher and barely shows the second explosion.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/specials/marathon_fullvideo/
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby compared2what? » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:09 pm

hiddenite wrote:I agree, although I would like to point out I did not say "based" I said "built" ,. To me, that means the story from NV was an element used in the constructions of the 2 later stories.


You're right. I apologize. That's exactly the kind of mistake that makes me want to smash my stupid head in, for some reason. If that helps.

"The lack of "discernible profit" bothers me too. Only with their capture/death did the Chechen connection imply any kind of motive. How "successful" is a bombing campaign in which no-one knows who did it or why ?


:D

I said "gain." But that's actually just semantics. Neither word really covers the thing that's absent and should (imo) be present for an act of ideological violence.. I mean....It's sort of like: Bombing requires forethought. So to make and execute the plan, you first have to have the wish/desire/fantasy -- ie, see yourself doing it, feel good about it, imagine a resolution with yourself triumphant and whatever/whomever you hate destroyed, etc.

For that kind of scenario, with all of the city and everything in it to choose from, without limitation, whose fantasy/desire/wish target would be "the finish line of the Boston Marathon"? It doesn't signify "America," or "power," or "arrogance," or "cult of capitalist excess," or "patriotism" or...honestly, anything else I can think of that anyone who hated that way would hate, unless some particular politician or public official was there. And Boston's full of people congregating all the time, all over the place. If you just hated them for existing, a movie theater or metro station or some other venue where you actually regularly encountered and despised them would make more sense. Seems to me.

I don't know. Maybe the Boston Marathon is different. But we have one here that's also a big deal in terms of local coverage before, during and right after, also quasi-civic, also an attraction for lots of people from far-flung places, also kinda takes over the city, wreaks havoc with traffic (partial shutdown! martial law!), etc. And nobody cares or thinks about it at all who doesn't have a personal interest in running or runners. Who come in all shapes, sizes, ages, and races and also don't signify anything hatable. Iconically, I mean. Neither does marathon running. It's a distinctly non-aggressive, non-contact sport. To me, it signifies "insane, almost monastic discipline." You'd think fanatics of all kinds would relate to that, if anything.

It also signifies "competition," I guess. Non-ideologically, though. If that was what it was about, I'd expect a very exceptionally extreme and abstruse personal resentment, in the wow-that's-crazy-but-some-people-go-figure category.

Anyway. Weirdly unprovocative target. Know what I mean?
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby beeline » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:59 pm

compared2what? wrote:Anyway. Weirdly unprovocative target. Know what I mean?


Sporting event. I think the bombers understood that, thus far, sporting events had been spared, and is there anything more 'Murican than a sporting event? Why not an NFL game or a baseball game? Much harder to infiltrate with a backpack bomb, they will check your bags if you try and get one into a stadium, if only to ensure you aren't smuggling booze or food in, that's where their money is.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby hiddenite » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:19 pm

It is an easy target , I believe the technical term is "soft".

In fact I read one report that described the reaction of a professor (at Tufts ?) who had, many years before, run a training programme for students (not sure what they were studying, military students I presume) and they had been assigned to the task of selecting a target and describing how they would organize their bombs and the task was to bomb the Boston marathon , they were assigned a right-wing motivation.

But apart from the targeted event itself I am more perplexed by the fact that, till they were caught, everyone was free to blame whichever group faction organizing principle they liked. It needed their capture to explain their motivation...which seems a poor way to run a campaign .

EDIT to add report.

"The April 15 Boston Marathon terror attack stunned and saddened the nation. But it may not have been too surprising to one group of former U.S. college students. After all, they had planned just such an attack.

In 2008, a group of undergraduates taking a course on terrorism at Tufts University, in the Boston suburb of Medford, planned an attack on the Boston Marathon as part of a class exercise. Their hypothetical plan was eerily similar to the attack which actually took place. The course instructor, Brigadier General (ret.) Russell D. Howard, now a Professor at the Monterrey Institute of International Studies, routinely divides his classes into groups of five or six and asks them to “red team” attacks as though they were actual terrorist cells. “If 20-24 year old students can do it,” he told Rare, “then terrorists can do it.”

The Boston Marathon operation Gen. Howard’s students planned was almost identical to the actual attack. “It was backpacks, quick-in/quick-out, and right at the same location,” he said. The main differences were that they used pipe bombs instead of pressure cookers, and their assumed ideology was right-wing rather than jihadist. The reason they chose the Boston Marathon was that is was a soft target, virtually impossible to defend, and highly symbolic. Plus being an internationally known sporting event it would be guaranteed to have massive press coverage.

Such exercises have practical counter-terrorism applications. “A good counter-terrorist needs to be able to think and act like a terrorist,” Gen. Howard said. That same year a group of graduate students at the Fletcher School planned an attack at Harvard Stadium that would take place during the Harvard-Yale game that they later briefed to Boston police and other agencies. Red teaming is a standard practice among counter terrorism professionals, whether in the military, the intelligence community, or law enforcement.

None of the students involved in the 2008 exercise agreed to be interviewed for this piece, though they did reconnect via email after the tragic events of April 15 to share their thoughts and concerns. One can only imagine how they felt, seeing the same type of deadly project they put together as a classroom exercise unfolding with deadly consequences on live television."

http://rare.us/story/spooky-student-project-exactly-like-boston-attack/
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:20 pm

Maybe they hated Ancient Greece?
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby psynapz » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:58 pm

Drill-gone-live still makes the most sense to me. The simultaneous-identical (simuldentical?) security drill has proved a pretty consistent tell. Who knows about the 9/11 hijackers really, but the behaviors of the 7/7 perps indicates to me that they didn't know they weren't in a drill.

In this case, c2w? nails it above -- the motivational narrative is severely lacking here, though given their behavior both pre-event (radicalization) and post-event (nonchalance, followed by acting like they missed a connection at MIT, followed by a GTA 5-star free-for-all, which is just how a session of GTA devolves after a series of mishaps, despite your best intentions while watching the progress bar on the loading screen) I wouldn't say they thought they were participating in a drill. Remember the end of ExiztenZ? Post-reality will do that to ya.

Also, given the adjunct alphabet-soup behaviors we've witnessed, even excluding Sibel Edmond's latest everything-looks-like-a-nail assertions (and there's no reason we should, just excluding for simplicity here), it sure sounds like yet another LIHOP.

There's no reason for a bunch of Guardsmen, even on a task force, to all wear their cool Craft gear at the same time, even if they just came from a Craft training event. Simpler to assume they're with Craft. No way of knowing why they were there in some paid capacity though. I mean, what do we have that could discern, without just taking the involved parties' official word for it (if they ever pony up), whether they were observing a drill they designed or were participating in as fake-perps and the drill went live by surprise to them (though they didn't seem shocked, though combat-trained folks probably won't anyway), or that they were there to observe the attack (or response) given foreknowledge, or some other bizarre theory?

One thing's for sure, if they didn't do it, they're certainly the most fire-engine-red herring you could have possibly flown through the scene at the time.

On edit: something about the aftermath photo series showing Craft-FBI interaction, body language and facial expressions included, gives me the purely intuitive sense that these people were expecting a fake bomb and have no idea why a real one just went off, but know they have to deal with it right away since they happen to be the very same people that would have been called in, had they not already been there. FWIW.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:50 pm

psynapz wrote:Drill-gone-live still makes the most sense to me. The simultaneous-identical (simuldentical?) security drill has proved a pretty consistent tell. Who knows about the 9/11 hijackers really, but the behaviors of the 7/7 perps indicates to me that they didn't know they weren't in a drill.

In this case, c2w? nails it above -- the motivational narrative is severely lacking here, though given their behavior both pre-event (radicalization) and post-event (nonchalance, followed by acting like they missed a connection at MIT, followed by a GTA 5-star free-for-all, which is just how a session of GTA devolves after a series of mishaps, despite your best intentions while watching the progress bar on the loading screen) I wouldn't say they thought they were participating in a drill. Remember the end of ExiztenZ? Post-reality will do that to ya.

Also, given the adjunct alphabet-soup behaviors we've witnessed, even excluding Sibel Edmond's latest everything-looks-like-a-nail assertions (and there's no reason we should, just excluding for simplicity here), it sure sounds like yet another LIHOP.

There's no reason for a bunch of Guardsmen, even on a task force, to all wear their cool Craft gear at the same time, even if they just came from a Craft training event. Simpler to assume they're with Craft. No way of knowing why they were there in some paid capacity though. I mean, what do we have that could discern, without just taking the involved parties' official word for it (if they ever pony up), whether they were observing a drill they designed or were participating in as fake-perps and the drill went live by surprise to them (though they didn't seem shocked, though combat-trained folks probably won't anyway), or that they were there to observe the attack (or response) given foreknowledge, or some other bizarre theory?

One thing's for sure, if they didn't do it, they're certainly the most fire-engine-red herring you could have possibly flown through the scene at the time.

On edit: something about the aftermath photo series showing Craft-FBI interaction, body language and facial expressions included, gives me the purely intuitive sense that these people were expecting a fake bomb and have no idea why a real one just went off, but know they have to deal with it right away since they happen to be the very same people that would have been called in, had they not already been there. FWIW.


(nods)

Pretty much how I tentatively see it, too. So far.
But shit might surface that makes things weirder.

Hell, it might have already surfaced, unnoticed.
If the Tsarnaevs were patsied by a drill-gone-live...
Then were there other possible patsies at the scene?
The Saudi kid? The Moroccan kid? The disheveled white guy?
The Guard/Craft team? Were they possible patsies?
The pants-shredded dude slandered by Thorndike?

The white dude with the dark backpack who could've been there on a smoke break if he hadn't bailed on a low-stakes job outsourced to a high-stakes law firm right across the street from the second blast? Who might have been falsely depicted in the bullshit-buying and bullshit-selling media as a self-radicalized conspiracy theorist?

I'd like to consider multiple many-layered scenarios, still.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby slimmouse » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:04 pm

Anyone such as 8-bit who like to observe the deeper occult connections of the attack, might like what Neil Kramer has to say about the date of the bombing, amidst which is the ancient egyptian festival that he alleges was celebrated that day. I can't verify any of the info, but if hes got his facts right its some pretty powerful stuff.

In his latest radio interview this is discussed in hour 3 at the link below..

http://neilkramer.com/return-to-x2-radio.html
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:53 pm

Here's my strange find of the day: an article detailing a possible Finnish connection!

Boston Echoes in Finland
Dmitry NEFEDOV | 30.04.2013 | 00:00


What happened in Boston is still rather opaque, but new facts are being revealed. The terrorists from «Iranian branch» of Al Qaeda are on the wanted list in Canada for allegedly trying to do the same thing there. The Tsarnaev brothers have hit the pages of world media. The messages are coming in with reports on Chechen terrorists leaving traces in this or that country. (1) It’s impossible to predict how the events are going to unfold, especially in view of uninterrupted supplies of arms and money to terrorist international in Syria. Still, it’s not excluded that the attention will be shifted from the Middle East to the north-eastern Caucasus as a «hotbed» of instability slipping out of Russia’s control.

Somehow, the fact of Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s alleged involvement in a secret operation launched by the Central Intelligence Agency is undeservedly left out of focus. The Georgia-supported operation was aimed at destabilization of the Russia’s North Caucasus. The participation in the operation allegedly led to radicalization of Tsarnaev’s mindset, as well as the views held by other participants. The objective was making the North Caucasus separate from Russia and, subsequently, be included into the sphere of influence exerted by the US partners like Saudi Arabia and Qatar. (2)

The terrorist information network has branches in Western Europe, including Finland. There is information testifying to the fact that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev received instructions from the Kavkaz Center listed by the United Nations Security Council as a mouthpiece of «Emarat Kavkaz», a terrorist organization led by Doku Umarov… For many years the Kavkaz Center has been connived with by Finish government (it had been located in Sweden before). It’s not only about the existence of an extremists outlet, which is included into the Uniform Domain Name registry, as well the websites and IP addresses, containing the information banned on the territory of Russia Federation (let’s note, it’s not banned in the United States or anywhere beyond Russia’s borders). Last year Mikael Storsjo, the website’ sponsor, who provides hosting and everything else needed to make it function, (3) was handed down a four-month suspended sentence by a Helsinki court for aiding Chechen terrorists to enter Finland illegally. The investigation proved his immediate complicity in illegal entry of 25 people coming to Finland from Turkey. The illegal immigrants included those who were on the Interpol’s wanted list for particularly dangerous crimes and involvement in terrorist activities. Islam Matsiev – living under pseudonym «Imran Tumsoev» or «Islam Tunsoev» – is the webmaster of Kavkaz Center. The man is known as the Beslan terrorist going around under the call name «the radio man of Basayev». (4)

The Kavkaz Center website is just a branch of larger extremist organization based in Helsinki…The mission is to coordinate activities of Chechen terrorists and plan terrorist acts. The Storsjo case made come into light the evidence testifying to the fact that the Finish Ministry of Foreign Affairs and United States State Department sponsored the site. The money was received in the form of grants allocated to support such human rights organizations as the Finnish-Russian Civic Forum (FINROSFORUM). It was used by the head of Kavkaz Center for business trips abroad during a number of years. Many accomplices of Umarov found jobs in the Storsjo’s office. Ms. Heidi Hautala, nowadays Minister for International Development and Tarja Kantola, the special adviser of the Finnish Foreign Minister, are close to the website. Some time ago they registered the Finnish-Russian Civic Forum to provide support to Doku Umarov and the Kavkaz Center. Later Storsjo told investigators the organization was created for the purpose of receiving the funds provided by US State Department. Another Finnish extremist supporting Storsjo is Antero Leitzinger who works as a researcher at the Finnish Migration Service, being responsible for political asylum applications from the Caucasus. Leitzinger has for years promoted «independent» Chechnya. Via Leitzinger's expert statements, the Finnish Migration Service has granted asylum for dozens of militants, including alleged members of «Battalion of Chechen Martyrs», now operating «Kavkaz Center» in Helsinki. In an article published in «Helsingin Sanomat» already in 1995, Leitzinger threatened the world with a terrorist revenge, if the West does not support independent Chechnya. «If indifference in the outside world continues, Chechens will inevitably resort to the fighting style of their ancestors, which does not meet international standards of clean warfare», Leitzinger wrote. In 1995 he also published an extremist booklet titled «Chechens», in which he announces his association with Doku Umarov, who at that time, according to Leitzinger, was leading «Chechen Youth Movement of National Recovery». Since that, as a leading Finnish expert of North Caucasus, Leitzinger has contributed granting political asylum to vast majority of Chechen militants. (5)

The vigorous activities of separate activists and organizations aimed at fuelling inter-ethnical hostilities in the Caucasus for some time failed to attract attention of «fighters against terror». The Boston events change the situation shifting focus on the Kavkaz Center and its sponsors. A few days ago the Finish police asked Juha Molari to give it the documents related to Kavkaz Center illegal activities. Two years ago he sent to police 200 pages of information devoted to the subject. The document was lost and the very fact that the clergyman wanted the police to investigate the case was forgotten. Now some Finish pro-government media outlets call for closing the terrorist website. According to Juha Molari, the Finish politicians are scared by the fact the US media says the Boston terrorist had ties with Doku Umarov. Finland may join the list of the countries involved in providing support for international terrorist activities. Molari is emphasizing it’s not so much the terrorist act in Boston itself, but rather the articles published in the United States, that Finish politicians are afraid of. Not all of them, of course. On April 24 Mikael Storsjo was given an opportunity to address public on TV1, the national main state channel.

There are different scenarios for the extremist nest in Helsinki. The closure of website show may be staged to make the Kavkaz Center appear on the territory of some other country as a result (for instance, the Baltic states are enthusiastic supporters of Western «Caucasian» projects (6)). That is the way to display «good will» towards Russia and add grandiloquent statements about getting united in front of terrorist threat. It will not stand in the way of efforts to use terrorism as an instrument of applicable geopolitics.

The US Twitter getting filled with curses addressed to «Russians» responsible for the Boston terrorist act. At the very same time John Kerry is holding talks in Istanbul on extension of aid to terrorist gangs waging war against Syrian army and civilians.

Fuelling international terrorism is ultimately becoming one of the «Western values», along with the destruction of Christian moral standards, encouraging same-sex marriages and the propaganda of homosexualism. The new norms of social and family life in the West are, to large extent, the business of Americans and Europeans themselves. It’s different, when it comes to flirting with the Caucasian «freedom fighters».

The support of terrorist infrastructure in some Western countries has become a burning issue. Feet dragging will directly affect the dialogue between Moscow and its Western partners. According to a recent Interpol report, (7) ignoring the need to put under close scrutiny the activities of those, who harbor, train and arm terrorists may lead to big trouble.
(1) The European countries, like Belgium and Germany, are mentioned more frequently.
(2) The Ties That Bind Washington to Chechen Terrorists // http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2 ... rists.html. According to the reports submitted by Colonel Grigori Changuria, Main Counter-Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, to Georgia’s Minister of Internal Affairs Irakli Gharibashvili, the Caucasian Fund and the Jamestown University held seminars for the young people of Caucasus, including Russians by origin, in the summer of 2012. Tamerlan Tsanaev participated in the event. Reference: Izvestia newspaper, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was Recruited by Georgian Fund:// http://izvestia.ru/news/549252
(3) The website is located in downtown Helsinki, Boulevardi, 2, in the Mikael Storsjц’s office..
(4) Boston terrorists were influenced and instructed by «Kavkaz Center», mouthpiece of terrorist Doku Umarov and his «Caucasus Emirate», operating in Helsinki, Finland // http://suomitanaan.blogspot.ru/2013/04/ ... d-and.html
(5) Boston terrorists were influenced and instructed by «Kavkaz Center», mouthpiece of terrorist Doku Umarov and his «Caucasus Emirate», operating in Helsinki, Finland // http://suomitanaan.blogspot.ru/2013/04/ ... d-and.html
(6) The website was functioning till 2004 on the territory of Lithuania (the year of Beslan terrorist act).
(7) Te-sat 2013 – EU terrorism situation and trend report // https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/def ... 013_lr.pdf


I'm still not sure what to make of this, though I think it might be helpful to crosspost the Madsen article from the Chechen thread:

stillrobertpaulsen wrote:Google search on Congress of Chechen International Organizations brought this story up. I'm adding bold to the paragraphs regarding an organization I hadn't heard of that connects with the Tsarnaev's other uncle, also connected with (drum roll please) Zbig! I also bolded the list of USAID organizations and NGOs we should all be paying very close attention to!

CIA Financing of Chechen and Other Caucasus Regional Terrorists

by Wayne MADSEN (USA)


Through a myriad of «civil society» organizations, the United States has been financing Chechen groups inside the autonomous republic, in Russia, and abroad.


However, large portions of U.S. assistance money has «bled» over to support Chechen and other North Caucasus terrorist groups, which the U.S. State Department and U.S. intelligence agencies insist on referring to as «separatist guerrillas», «nationalists», «insurgents», and «rebels», instead of terrorists.



The U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) has continuously refused to refer to Chechen and Islamic Emirate terrorists operating in Russia as «terrorists». NSA analysis reports of signals intelligence (SIGINT) intercepts of Russian police, Federal Security Bureau (FSB), Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR), and Russian military communications, including radio, landline and cellular telephone, fax, text message, and fax, have, since 2003, referred to Chechen and North Caucasus terrorists as «guerrillas». Prior to that year, TOP SECRET Codeword internal NSA directives stated that Chechen terrorists were to be called «rebels».

Imagine the surprise if the United States began referring to «Al Qaeda» as Islamist guerrillas and rebels instead of terrorists. Yet, that is exactly how the NSA and CIA have referred to terrorists in Russia that have launched deadly attacks on airports, trains, subway stations, schools, and movie theaters throughout the Russian Federation.

U.S. «humanitarian» and «civil society» assistance to radical Islamist groups has, for the past three decades, filtered into the coffers of terrorist groups celebrated as «freedom fighters» in Washington. This was the case with U.S. support for the Afghan Mujaheddin through such groups as the Committee for a Free Afghanistan during the Islamist insurgency against the People’s Democratic Republic of Afghanistan in the 1980s and the Bosnia Defense Fund in the 1990s.

In the case of Afghanistan, U.S. and Saudi money ended up in the hands of insurgents who would later form «Al Qaeda» and in Bosnia U.S. funds were used by Al Qaeda elements fighting against Yugoslavia and the Bosnian Serb Republic and, later, Al Qaeda elements supporting the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in its war against Serbia.

After revelations that an entity called the Caucasus Fund was used by the CIA-linked Jamestown Foundation of Washington, DC to sponsor seminars on the North Caucasus in Tbilisi from January to July 2012, Georgian authorities moved to shut down the fund. The reason given by Georgia was that the organization had «fulfilled its stated mission».

Caucasus Fund and Jamestown Foundation events were attended by accused Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev, a citizen of Kyrgyzstan born to parents from Dagestan. Jamestown had previously held a seminar in Tbilisi on «Hidden Nations» in the Caucasus, which, among other issues, promoted a «Greater Circassia» in the Caucasus.

U.S. «civil society» aid to groups fomenting terrorism, nationalism, separatism, and irredentism in the Caucasus is either direct through the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) or covert through organizations funded by George Soros’s Open Society Institute.

Much can be learned about U.S. backing for terrorist groups operating in the North Caucasus from information gleaned from the tranche of a quarter million leaked classified State Department cables.

A November 12, 2009 Confidential cable from the U.S. embassy in Moscow implies that the Carnegie Center NGO in Moscow be engaged to stymie Russia’s political and economic goals in the North Caucasus, particularly by taking advantage of 50 percent unemployment in Ingushetiya and 30 percent in Chechnya. Areas of high unemployment in the Muslim world have served as prime recruiting grounds for Wahhabist and Salafist radical clerics financed by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the emirates of Sharjah and Ras al Khaimah. Dagestan is cited in a June 8, 2009 embassy Moscow cable as Russia’s «weakest link» in the Caucasus region.

A Confidential September 16, 2009 cable from the U.S. embassy in Moscow indicates that Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Philip Gordon was urged to push the concept that the Ramzan Kadyrov government in Chechnya had «neither control nor stability». The NGO Caucasian Knot told Gordon at a meeting at the U.S. embassy that «foreign fighters» were joining a jihad in the region and that there was a «Hobson’s Choice» between «terrorists» and «corrupt local government». Apparently, the Obama administration decided, likely with the strong support of then deputy national security adviser and current CIA director John O. Brennan, a confirmed Saudiphile and a participant in the Hadj pilgrimage to Mecca, opted for the terrorists.

Chechen separatist leader Akhmed Zakayev and late Jewish Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky

Chechen separatist leader Akhmed Zakayev and late Jewish Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky in 2004.

Other leaked Confidential cables provide in-depth details on U.S., British, and Norwegian support for exiled «Chechen-Ichkeria» leader Akhmed Zakayev, a close friend of the late exiled Russo-Israeli tycoon Boris Berezovsky. A July 29, 2009 Confidential cable from the U.S. embassy in Oslo quotes the head of the Russian section at the Norwegian Foreign Ministry, Odd Skagestad, as telling the American embassy there that Zakayev was the «legitimate representative of not just the Chechen exile community, but of Chechens in Chechnya», although he added that «Zakayev is on various INTERPOL lists» for suspected terrorist links. Skagestad stated the Norwegian PST, Norway’s FBI, ignored INTERPOL arrest warrants and permitted Zakayev to visit Norway from his place of exile in London.

The Oslo embassy also stated that the Norwegian head of the «Chechnya Peace Forum», Ivar Amundsen, was very «tight lipped» about his activities and that he was a close friend of the late renegade ex-Russian intelligence officer Alexander Litvinenko. Zakayev has also received significant support from the governments of Denmark, Finland, and the Czech Republic, where there are active Chechen exile community. The Kavkaz Center, located in Helsinki, Finland runs a pro-Caucasus Emirate website and provides an important public relations service for Emirate leader Doku Umarov’s terrorist cells in southern Russia…

Ruslan Zaindi Tsarnaev, the Maryland-based uncle of suspected bombers Tamerlan and Dzokhar Dudayev, established the Congress of Chechen International Organizations, Incorporated, in Maryland on August 17, 1995 and in the District of Columbia on September 22, 1995. The Maryland entity’s status was forfeited and is not in good standing, likely because of delinquency in filing required fees and forms. The District of Columbia corporate entity was active for 17 years and seven months.

Interestingly, the DC corporate status was revoked at around the time of the Boston Marathon bombings. Ruslan Tsarnaev, also known as Ruslan Tsarni, a graduate of Duke University Law School in North Carolina, worked for USAID in Kazakhstan and other countries in preparing them for vulture capitalist enterprises such as derivative financing and hedge funds.

The Maryland address for the Congress of Chechen International Organizations is listed in Maryland corporate records as 11114 Whisperwood Lane, Rockville, Maryland 20852, which is the address for Graham E. Fuller.

Fuller is a former Russian-speaking CIA official, including station chief in Kabul and vice-chair of the National Intelligence Council during the 1980s Iran-contra scandal, with which Fuller was heavily involved. Fuller has been active in events sponsored by the Jamestown Foundation, including keynoting an October 29, 2008 conference titled «Turkey & the Caucasus after Georgia».

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Fuller’s daughter, Samantha Ankara Fuller, is a UK and US dual national who is listed as a director of Insource Energy, Ltd. of the UK, a firm owned by Carbon Trust, a not-for-profit company «with the mission to accelerate the move to a low carbon economy». According to the Bank of England’s Prudential Regulation Authority’s Financial Services Register, Samantha Ankara Fuller’s previous name was Mrs. Samantha Ankara Tsarnaev. She was the wife of Ruslan Tsarnaev and ex-aunt of the two accused Boston Marathon bombers. At the time of her marriage to Ruslan Tsarnaev, Fuller was an investment adviser to Dresdner Bank, J P Morgan Ltd. in the UK, J P Morgan Securities, and J P Morgan Chase Bank, according to the UK Financial Services Register.

Ruslan Tsarnaev is the vice president for business development and corporate secretary for Big Sky Energy Corporation, headquartered in Calgary, Canada with the headquarters of its Big Sky Group holding company located in Little Rock, Arkansas.

North Carolina court records indicate that the Tsarnaevs were married in North Carolina in 1995, the year Ruslan established the Congress of Chechen International Organizations in Washington, DC and Maryland, and divorced in 1999. The divorce was granted in Orange County, North Carolina.

It is noteworthy that the Washington DC corporate registration agent for the Congress of Chechen International Organizations is Prentice-Hall.

Prentice-Hall is owned by Pearson, the publishing and educational firm based in London that owns the Financial Times and fifty percent of The Economist Group. In 1986, the Economist Group bought the New York-based Business International Corporation (BIC), the CIA front company for which Barack Obama, Jr. served as an employee from 1983 to 1984, and folded it into the Economist Intelligence Unit.

The other uncle of the alleged Boston bombers, Alvi S. Tsarnaev of Silver Spring, Maryland, not far from his brother Ruslan’s home, is apparently affiliated with another Chechen exile organization, the United States-Chechen Republic Alliance Inc., with an address of 8920 Walden Road, Silver Spring, Maryland 20901-3823. The address is also that of Alvi S. Tsarnaev. The registered officer for the organization is listed U.S. Internal Revenue Service filings as Lyoma Usmanov. The organization is registered as a charitable organization engaged in «International Economic Development».

In the book, Power and Purpose: U.S. Policy Toward Russia after the Cold War, by James M. Goldgeier and Michael McFaul, the latter the present activist and neo-conservative U.S. ambassador to Russia who has directly intervened in Russian politics to seek the ouster of President Vladimir Putin from power and stir up secessionist, religious, and political extremists throughout the Russian Federation. According to this book, former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski was Usmanov’s sponsor in the United States: «Brzezinski helped to establish and finance Chechen representation in the United States headed by Usmanov».


Another U.S.-based group that has championed the Chechen movement, regardless of the presence of terrorist entities, is the American Committee for Peace in the Caucasus (ACPC), formerly known as the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya. The ACPC was founded in 1999 by Freedom House, a Cold War right-wing group that has been financed by the National Endowment for Democracy and USAID-funded groups.

The ACPC has defended the political asylum in the U.S. of former Chechen Foreign Minister Ilyas Akhmadov, accused of past terrorist links. The ACPC and Freedom House work with the Jamestown Foundation, founded in 1984 by CIA director William Casey, along with high-ranking intelligence defectors from the Soviet Union, Romania, Poland, and Czechoslovakia.

An October 17, 2008 Sensitive cable from the U.S. embassy in Moscow outlines the priorities for USAID and NGOs in their operations in the North Caucasus. The cable states that the North Caucasus Program was active in North Ossetia and Kabardino-Balkaria and was working with local NGOs. The cable states explicitly that USAID’s mission in the North Caucasus was to «advance critical U.S. interests». USAID-specified «hot zones» included Chechnya, Ingushetia, and the Elbruz region of Kabardino-Balkaria. The USAID North Caucasus Program focused on four key regions: Chechnya, Ingushetia, North Ossetia, and Dagestan, plus Krasnodarsky Krai, Adygea Republic, Karachay-Cherkessia, Stavropolsky Krai, and Kabardino-Balkarskaya Republic.

USAID’s network of NGOs in the region are identified in the cable. They are: International Rescue Committee (IRC), World Vision, Keystone, IREX, Children’s Fund of North Ossetia (CFNO), Russian Microfinance Center, UNICEF, ACDI/VOCA, Southern Regional Resource Center (SRAC), Center for Fiscal Policy (CFP), Center for International Private Enterprise (CIPE), Institute for Urban Economics, «Faith, Hope and Love (FHL), International Federation of the Red Cross (IFRC), and the Fund for Sustainable Development (FSD). Many of these groups have close links with the CIA and/or Soros, particularly World Vision and IRC.


The interests who are linked to the Boston Marathon and terrorism in Russia run the gamut from Soros-funded NGOs, to CIA front companies and non-official cover (NOC) agents, foreign intelligence services, and Western energy companies.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:33 pm

The head of National Intelligence has ordered a full review of what intel and FBI knew of the bros Tsarnaev. Funny how the media didnt want to report
how the former VICE CHAIR of the National Intelligence was the live in father in law of these boy's uncles. One would think thatd be an interesting story, yeah?

The nation's top intelligence official has ordered a review of the Boston Marathon bombing case amid questions about whether the U.S. should have known one of the suspects posed a threat.

Retired Gen. James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, has asked the inspector general who oversees the intelligence community to take a broad look at various agencies' handling of information they received long before the bombing.

“Based on what I've seen so far, the FBI performed its duties, Department of Homeland Security did what it was supposed to be doing, but this is hard stuff,'' President Obama said at a Tuesday news conference.


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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Wed May 01, 2013 3:19 am

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elfismiles wrote:UM Coach: Bomb Sniffing Dogs Were at Start, Finish Lines for “Drill”

University of Mobile’s Cross Country Coach, who was near the finish line of the Boston Marathon when a series of explosions went off, said he thought it was odd there were bomb sniffing dogs at the start and finish lines.

“They kept making announcements on the loud speaker that it was just a drill and there was nothing to worry about,” Coach Ali Stevenson told Local 15. “It seemed like there was some sort of threat, but they kept telling us it was just a drill.”

Stevenson had just finished the marathon. His wife had been sitting in one of the seating sections where an explosion went off, but thankfully she left her seat and was walking to meet up with him.

“There was just smoke, another explosion went off,” Stevenson said. “We all started running. There were people crying.”

Stevenson said there was no question in his mind that this was an intentional act.

Local 15 News is talking with more locals who were taking part in the run. Tune in for live coverage beginning at 5 p.m.

http://www.local15tv.com/news/local/sto ... SDJEA.cspx


Is there any doubt that in a week or a month there'll be Herald and Globe headlines about multiple warnings that went ignored for one reason or another? Either some Ibsen-esque Enemy of the People reason, or something more sinister.

Dead 8-year-old. Motherfuckers. They won't get away with this one. Whoever they are.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -2011.html

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia sent a written warning about accused Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in 2012, long before pressure-cooker blasts killed three and injured hundreds, according to a senior Saudi government official with direct knowledge of the document.
The Saudi warning, the official told MailOnline, was separate from the multiple red flags raised by Russian intelligence in 2011, and was based on human intelligence developed independently in Yemen.
Citing security concerns, the Saudi government also denied an entry visa to the elder Tsarnaev brother in December 2011, when he hoped to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, the source said. Tsarnaev's plans to visit Saudi Arabia have not been previously disclosed.


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