TRUMP is seriously dangerous

[Elihu]

Are you and Agent Orange Cooper the same person?

I don't know what you think you've told me. And by throwing the Green Party in with the Libertarians, you must not know much about either.

not as far as i am aware ; )

let me try to phrase it another way. greens and libertarians might be political parties as we little voters might understand such things. democrats and republicans are not political parties. they don't work for voters. they're grifters crooks and, well they would disagree, but let's face it, killers. statecraft is not the ordinary game. just a little compromise here and there, for the greater good.

why do we care about these goons? sure it took a long time to get here, but why not be honest at this point?

the thing i'm always trying to highlight is political action within the system is non-responsive. it is not a benevolent organization and no, some super good guy or gal could not take the reins and run it any different. dreams, fantasies.

so? at least think about it. what's a consumer to do?

[JackRiddler]

He's far less of a threat to civilization and the human race and the biosphere in general that the one all these dual-citizen neocons are supporting, good old HRC.

That's what's so weird.

The blowhard billionaire buffoon might just thwart the psychotic gang of evil villains' plans for World Domination.

It could be a great comedy if it wasn't really happening. Kind of like an American Inspector Clouseau.

I cannot imagine how anyone could think so. Rational listings seem irrelevant, but here we go. What is his consistent program? What in all the muddle has he stuck to? He wants the jackboots knocking down doors everywhere in the U.S. to deport 11 million, an effective religious test for entry to the country, a bigger wall (than the one that already exists) that he makes Mexico pay for, and a confrontation with China. "He will cut the head off ISIS and TAKE THEIR OIL." Climate change is a hoax. Frack and drill, baby. He in no way varied from the other Republicans' rhetoric on the hellishness of the escalated war he wants to visit on the Middle East. Bring back waterboarding and kill the terrorists' families (hello! and you think he'll deescalate?!). The U.S. military is a mess and needs to be beefed up. No minimum wage in combination with "jobs for everyone." Stop the cop-killing and the burning of the cities that aren't happening. "Law and order." Average income of his supporters, $77,000 by the way (so much for the myth of working class support). Why do you think the Nazis (actual ones) and David Duke have endorsed this guy? What about the cop unions? This is all a prescription for war at home, and you think that's "less of a threat to civilization and the human race and the biosphere"?!

That's the consistent program. And now he's introduced his hedge fund guys who will be in charge. John Paulson, the strip and plunder man!

What he says about Russia, workers or anything else is imaginary and goes back and forth. Which brings up the other, obvious point. He won't be doing anything himself. Instead of Cheney running the show as under Bush, you will have President Pence, "Christian first, then a conservative, then a Republican." The earth is 6000 years old. Four Supreme Court appointments likely. I can't believe you can see Clinton so clearly and Trump so obscurely.

[brekin]

He's far less of a threat to civilization and the human race and the biosphere in general that the one all these dual-citizen neocons are supporting, good old HRC.

That's what's so weird.

The blowhard billionaire buffoon might just thwart the psychotic gang of evil villains' plans for World Domination.

It could be a great comedy if it wasn't really happening. Kind of like an American Inspector Clouseau.

I cannot imagine how anyone could think so. Rational listings seem irrelevant, but here we go. What is his consistent program? What in all the muddle has he stuck to? He wants the jackboots knocking down doors everywhere in the U.S. to deport 11 million, an effective religious test for entry to the country, a bigger wall (than the one that already exists) that he makes Mexico pay for, and a confrontation with China. "He will cut the head off ISIS and TAKE THEIR OIL." Climate change is a hoax. Frack and drill, baby. He in no way varied from the other Republicans' rhetoric on the hellishness of the escalated war he wants to visit on the Middle East. Bring back waterboarding and kill the terrorists' families (hello! and you think he'll deescalate?!). The U.S. military is a mess and needs to be beefed up. No minimum wage in combination with "jobs for everyone." Stop the cop-killing and the burning of the cities that aren't happening. "Law and order." Average income of his supporters, $77,000 by the way (so much for the myth of working class support). Why do you think the Nazis (actual ones) and David Duke have endorsed this guy? What about the cop unions? This is all a prescription for war at home, and you think that's "less of a threat to civilization and the human race and the biosphere"?!

That's the consistent program. And now he's introduced his hedge fund guys who will be in charge. John Paulson, the strip and plunder man!

What he says about Russia, workers or anything else is imaginary and goes back and forth. Which brings up the other, obvious point. He won't be doing anything himself. Instead of Cheney running the show as under Bush, you will have President Pence, "Christian first, then a conservative, then a Republican." The earth is 6000 years old. Four Supreme Court appointments likely. I can't believe you can see Clinton so clearly and Trump so obscurely.

Yes, I'm a little amazed at those who railed against Bush, Obama, but now see Trump as the answer. Sure, Hilary is more of the same, but its like going to the Potsdam Conference and saying Stalin, Churchill and Truman are all the same. No, they may all be crooks, yes, even war criminals if you want to get nasty, but there are limits and scope. I mean, as bad as this sounds, some people elect war criminals that wage war on other people but some people elect war criminals that do that and wage war on their own people. The first may be immoral and/or ignorant, but the second, are immoral and/or ignorant and suicidal.

[JackRiddler]

I don't know that Nordic sees Trump as the answer, but he writes as though he's the lesser evil. A listing of bad things about Clinton (actual ones, I hope, since there are plenty) won't make it so.

[82_28]

Nordic, like myself is solidly behind Jill Stein. Like I said somewhere else, maybe this thread, I want to see the Greens get something approaching 10%. A boy can dream. If TRUMP wins he wins. What is one to do? But a good 10% would be great. That is why I am voting Stein come hell or high water.

That said, I currently have some neighbors getting their roof redone. There are three I am supposing Mexicans doing the job. Hella steep roofs. No way in hell you'd catch me up there. But they are making America Great Again you Trump sack of shit.

So for some comic relief, it reminds me of this from my high school days.

[brekin]

I don't know that Nordic sees Trump as the answer, but he writes as though he's the lesser evil. A listing of bad things about Clinton (actual ones, I hope, since there are plenty) won't make it so.

Yes, I wasn't intending to call him out specifically. In general, I was speaking to all those who believe that Trump could derail the ptb, as if he wouldn't be invited to Coconut Grove or something. When I've never understood from the beginning how a misogynistic, multi-millionaire, mob connected, reality show star, xenophobic, racist, bully, slum lord, professional real estate and casino tycoon/bankrupter and publicity flim flam man extraordinaire from the 70's, etc. is considered somehow not to be part of the ptb.

[backtoiam]

I don't know that Nordic sees Trump as the answer, but he writes as though he's the lesser evil. A listing of bad things about Clinton (actual ones, I hope, since there are plenty) won't make it so.

Yes, I wasn't intending to call him out specifically. In general, I was speaking to all those who believe that Trump could derail the ptb, as if he wouldn't be invited to Coconut Grove or something. When I've never understood from the beginning how a misogynistic, multi-millionaire, mob connected, reality show star, xenophobic, racist, bully, slum lord, professional real estate and casino tycoon/bankrupter and publicity flim flam man extraordinaire from the 70's, etc. is considered somehow not to be part of the ptb.

It is nothing but a damn freak show and we all know it. He would already be deader than a door nail if he did not "fit in" to the grand plan. This will draw ire from the peanut gallery but if I thought for one minute he would actually kick the bullies out and bring jobs back to this country I would go register to vote just so that I could vote for him, but he will not bring his bluster to fruition. It will not happen. This country needs jobs in the worst way. Jobs, jobs, jobs....

If I thought he would actually be able to get people out of tent cities and out from under bridges that are trying to survive I would vote for him in a skinny minute. He will not be allowed to take the silver spoon from the mouths of the oligarchs though. So we can relax, it will be business as usual.

Otherwise his ass will be JFK'ed tomorrow. He is getting paid handsomely to put on this shit show unfortunately.

Ron Paul was the last hope of a serious person who meant what he said, and this forum trashed his ass. Him and Dennis Kucinich were the last of the people that are not mob connected fuck wads. (but oh wait, he might have made a racist remark 20 years ago so of course that makes him a shit bag.)

What a circus........and on we go.......

[Agent Orange Cooper]

It is nothing but a damn freak show and we all know it. He would already be deader than a door nail if he did not "fit in" to the grand plan.

This is still in play, IMO. I expect bullets will fly at him at some point before the election.

[backtoiam]

It is nothing but a damn freak show and we all know it. He would already be deader than a door nail if he did not "fit in" to the grand plan.

This is still in play, IMO. I expect bullets will fly at him at some point before the election.

Well there was already that sketchy story of a gunman lurking around the Trump Tower. Probably just more intrigue fodder from the noise news cannons and who knows what that is really all about.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

Now how is this possible? I thought Trump was lock step in line with the usual GOP environmental platform. The environmental champions who served under great Green Leaders like Reagan and Bush Sr seem to think differently.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/r ... ton-226814

Former GOP EPA heads endorse Clinton: Trump ‘would set the world back decades’

Donald Trump would threaten the environmental legacy of presidents Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon and George H.W. Bush, according to two former Environmental Protection Agency chiefs from their administrations.

“Republicans have a long history of support for the environment dating back to Theodore Roosevelt. Donald Trump threatens to destroy that legacy of respect for the environment and protection of public health,” William D. Ruckelshaus and William K. Reilly said in a statement endorsing Hillary Clinton’s campaign Tuesday.

Ruckelshaus served as EPA administrator under Reagan and Nixon, while Reilly served under Bush. The pair touted the administrations they worked under for their environmental efforts, but called Trump clueless on the matter.

“Donald Trump has shown a profound ignorance of science and of the public health issues embodied in our environmental laws,” they said. “He hasn’t a clue about Republicans’ historic contributions to science-driven environmental policy.”

They also blasted Trump for suggesting that climate change "is a hoax," noting that they view it as “the singular health and environmental threat to the world today.”

It “flies in the face of overwhelming international science and the public conviction and commitment of almost 200 national governments that adopted the Paris Agreement on climate change in December 2015,” they said, noting that their “leadership was essential to that agreement.”

“To back away now, as Trump wants to do, would set the world back decades — years we could never recover. The young people in this country deserve far better than that as our legacy,” they added, before praising Clinton as a candidate who understands the importance of environment protection and is “committed to reasonable, science-based policy to meet those challenges.”

“For us, there is simply no choice in this election,” they concluded. “We Republicans should be shocked, outraged even, at the prospect that all this progress, this legacy will be repudiated and rolled back by Donald Trump. This is a hugely consequential election; the stakes are that high. That is why as Republicans, we support Hillary Clinton for President.”

[slimmouse]

I have spent quite some time explaining to people around here, how Hillary was a lock from the moment the latest clownfest was declared.
For a start Sanders was clearly the majority democratic candidate, but the system quickly dealt with him.
And now it's Hilary and Trump. I try to advise people involved in the freak show that its like WWF ( thanks for that analogy Nordic)

[seemslikeadream]

Trump: 'Second Amendment people' could deal with Clinton

Wilmington, North Carolina (CNN)Donald Trump said Tuesday that if Hillary Clinton gets to pick Supreme Court justices, there's "nothing you can do, folks ... although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is."

Trump's ambiguous comments alarmed some political observers as to whether he was threatening her life or calling for increased political activity.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/politics/ ... amendment/

Trending on Google+:Donald Trump Suggests Shooting Hillary Clinton, Her Supreme Court Picks, Or BothHuffington Post

[stillrobertpaulsen]

"Ambiguous", my ass. Look at the audience reaction. They're laughing at a joke - about assassinating someone running for President - which is a felony.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz8G3IlccUM

[Nordic]

Jack, 2 reasons:

He wants to make peace with Russia. So no WW3.

That's a big plus for everyone on the planet. And he's 200% opposite of Hillbama on this.

2, he has promised to veto the TPP.

Those 2 things lane make him the lesser evil. He's still terrible, mind you, the term is lesser EVIL.

The entire neocon class is trying very hard for a war with Russia which could kill all of us, and they also are all 100% behind the TPP which will effectively end the USA as we know it and turn it into a slave colony of the multinational corporate universe.

Most of Trumps terrors that you listed could be fought at home. We cannot fight our government on wars or the TPP!

What's so hard to understand about that?

That being said in not voting for him. I will never vote for a D or an R ever again. They're the same anyway. Especially since Obama.

But if people put their prejudices aside and took a good hard look at both of these fuckers, keeping Hillary out of the WH should take precedence over everything else.

[General Patton]

"Ambiguous", my ass. Look at the audience reaction. They're laughing at a joke - about assassinating someone running for President - which is a felony.

Does the law actually matter?