Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

[Rory]

iawia - see below

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[Iamwhomiam]

Wow! And I thought Fox was bad!

I would imagine this would be in every paper, so I wonder why it's not mentioned anywhere but on this guy's youtube channel.

Like someone here said, it will suck in Trump. Let's get it on, already. It would be great to see this all brought into the open and the guilty held responsible.

What's Santa getting you this year Griz?

[backtoiam]

I have seen this posted around the internet but I cannot verify if the video actually was shot in the places indicated. It does appear to be people stuffing ballot boxes but the when and where I am not sure of. I have not seen it grabbing any traction such as people being arrested for it. It is actually comical the way they go about stuffing the boxes.

https://youtu.be/8YsRU0TFQTY

That's cute btia. How do you know it's not really republicans filmed by republicans to frame dems? You don't. The first scene shows someone shredding documents, not stuffing a ballot box. Welcome back.

Nope, it don't. Watch again. Whole pieces of paper are falling in. She is trying to get them straight and thin because those boxes are only designed for one sheet at a time.

[mentalgongfu2]

Whatever she's doing, it's in Russia, not a Democratic primary.

http://www.snopes.com/voter-fraud-in-2016-primary/

[dada]

Either way, the subtleties of Reich's argument will surely assist them as they liberate us with their teeth from our worldly delusions about hardware and software.

Sounds like the monkeys and I have something in common. Metaphorically speaking, again.

Maybe they'll throw the book in the fire.

[peartreed]

It’s a sad state of affairs when it takes multimillions of dollars to run a campaign for the presidency. That is another reason why the major candidates emerging from the primaries are such abhorrent choices. They have both had to raise millions to even afford their political campaigns. The methods used also become political fodder.

Any analysis of the ethics of massive fund raising on this scale is going to reveal questionable connections and links to corporate and political power mongers who, by definition, have also rampaged and exploited their way to their fortunes.

To understand the process involved, simply take it down to any company operating in a free enterprise system to maximize profit or to any organizational leader who has coerced and clawed their way to the prime position of influence over its funds.

It takes opportunism, relentlessness, force and ruthlessness to defeat opposition. It also takes the creation of a charismatic and successful reputation in the process. Use of professional marketing persuasion and promotion is essential, as is a network of legal and legislative support with solid community backing in place.

In any battle for supremacy is also takes a fighter who will defeat enemy attacks and adjust its own offensive and defensive tactics accordingly to that end. History illustrates that this is the way of the world and its warriors and winners.

So we need to evaluate the presidential race candidates’ actions in this same context. The way in which they have funded and fought their campaigns is the illustration of their character and their likely conduct in elected office, or opposition.

We should also take responsibility for our role in perpetuating the system that they are forced to operate within, especially in the requirement for a fortune for good fortune. “Corruption” is too easy a tag and a moral judgment to apply to a contest of titans in a trial to the top of an inherently corrupt tower of power.

All of which is my way of rationalizing and partly explaining and excusing my support of Hillary to the heights of Capitol Hill. It takes an empress to rule.

[Iamwhomiam]

I have seen this posted around the internet but I cannot verify if the video actually was shot in the places indicated. It does appear to be people stuffing ballot boxes but the when and where I am not sure of. I have not seen it grabbing any traction such as people being arrested for it. It is actually comical the way they go about stuffing the boxes.

https://youtu.be/8YsRU0TFQTY

That's cute btia. How do you know it's not really republicans filmed by republicans to frame dems? You don't. The first scene shows someone shredding documents, not stuffing a ballot box. Welcome back.

Nope, it don't. Watch again. Whole pieces of paper are falling in. She is trying to get them straight and thin because those boxes are only designed for one sheet at a time.

That is exactly what she is doing, shredding several sheets of paper at a time that then drop into a wastepaper basket. Electronic voting stores voters ballots internally and they don't go anywhere until they are unlocked.

Rory, thank you for sharing the link to the snopes debunking of the video. I guess btia didn't read it.

[brekin]

It’s a sad state of affairs when it takes multimillions of dollars to run a campaign for the presidency. That is another reason why the major candidates emerging from the primaries are such abhorrent choices. They have both had to raise millions to even afford their political campaigns. The methods used also become political fodder.
Any analysis of the ethics of massive fund raising on this scale is going to reveal questionable connections and links to corporate and political power mongers who, by definition, have also rampaged and exploited their way to their fortunes.
To understand the process involved, simply take it down to any company operating in a free enterprise system to maximize profit or to any organizational leader who has coerced and clawed their way to the prime position of influence over its funds.
It takes opportunism, relentlessness, force and ruthlessness to defeat opposition. It also takes the creation of a charismatic and successful reputation in the process. Use of professional marketing persuasion and promotion is essential, as is a network of legal and legislative support with solid community backing in place.
In any battle for supremacy is also takes a fighter who will defeat enemy attacks and adjust its own offensive and defensive tactics accordingly to that end. History illustrates that this is the way of the world and its warriors and winners.
So we need to evaluate the presidential race candidates’ actions in this same context. The way in which they have funded and fought their campaigns is the illustration of their character and their likely conduct in elected office, or opposition.
We should also take responsibility for our role in perpetuating the system that they are forced to operate within, especially in the requirement for a fortune for good fortune. “Corruption” is too easy a tag and a moral judgment to apply to a contest of titans in a trial to the top of an inherently corrupt tower of power.
All of which is my way of rationalizing and partly explaining and excusing my support of Hillary to the heights of Capitol Hill. It takes an empress to rule.

Don't hate the playa, hate the game, voter.
I don't know why a voter wanna hate Ice Queen
I didn't choose the game, the game chose me

- Ice Queen

[seemslikeadream]

TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR SO THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THE FOX NEWS VIDEO THAT WAS POSTED

Fox’s Bret Baier Walks Back Flawed Reporting About “Likely” Clinton Indictment

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html

1. The Clinton Foundation investigation is far more expansive than anybody has reported so far and has been going on for more than a year.

2. The laptops of Clinton aides Cherryl Mills and Heather Samuelson have not been destroyed, and agents are currently combing through them. The investigation has interviewed several people twice, and plans to interview some for a third time.

3. Agents have found emails believed to have originated on Hillary Clinton's secret server on Anthony Weiner's laptop. They say the emails are not duplicates and could potentially be classified in nature.

4. Sources within the FBI have told him that an indictment is "likely" in the case of pay-for-play at the Clinton Foundation, "barring some obstruction in some way" from the Justice Department.

5. FBI sources say with 99% accuracy that Hillary Clinton's server has been hacked by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, and that information had been taken from it.

Fox’s Bret Baier Walks Back Flawed Reporting About “Likely” Clinton Indictment
Blog ››› 6 hours 55 min ago


Fox News’ Bret Baier walked back his November 2 claim, which was based on two unnamed sources, that FBI investigations relating to Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton will “continue to likely an indictment.” On the November 3 edition of Fox’s Happening Now, Baier described his comments as “inartful,” acknowledging that “that’s not the process.” Baier’s uncritical reporting of anonymous, unvetted sources has been parroted by a stream of Fox hosts and correspondents, as well as right-wing blogs.

The Daily Beast has reported on a pipeline between conservative FBI agents (both active and retired) -- angered by FBI Director James Comey’s conclusion in July that there was insufficient evidence to recommend any indictment in the review of Clinton’s use of private email as secretary of state -- and Fox News. According to The Daily Beast, “Trump supporters with strong ties to the agency kept talking about surprises and leaks to come -- and come they did.” From the November 3 edition of Fox News’ Happening Now:
MARTHA MACCALLUM (CO-HOST): The FBI sources that you spoke with suggest that an indictment is likely. That would prove -- go ahead.

BRET BAIER: I want to be clear -- I want to be clear about this, and this was -- came from a Q and A that I did with Brit Hume after my show and after we went through everything. He asked me if, after the election, if Hillary Clinton wins, will this investigation continue, and I said, “yes absolutely.” I pressed the sources again and again what would happen. I got to the end of that and said, “they have a lot of evidence that would, likely lead to an indictment.” But that’s not, that’s inartfully answered. That’s not the process. That’s not how you do it. You have to have a prosecutor. If they don't move forward with a prosecutor with the DOJ, there would be, I'm told, a very public call for an independent prosecutor to move forward. There is confidence in the evidence, but for me to phrase it like I did, of course that got picked up everywhere, but the process is different than that.

'The FBI is Trumpland': anti-Clinton atmosphere spurred leaks, sources say
Highly unfavorable view of Hillary Clinton intensified after James Comey’s decision not to recommend an indictment over her use of a private email server
Hillary CLinton
One agent called the bureau ‘Trumplandia,’ with some colleagues openly discussing voting for the Republican nominee.
@attackerman
Thursday 3 November 2016 14.02 EDT Last modified on Thursday 3 November 2016 16.26 EDT

Deep antipathy to Hillary Clinton exists within the FBI, multiple bureau sources have told the Guardian, spurring a rapid series of leaks damaging to her campaign just days before the election.

Current and former FBI officials, none of whom were willing or cleared to speak on the record, have described a chaotic internal climate that resulted from outrage over director James Comey’s July decision not to recommend an indictment over Clinton’s maintenance of a private email server on which classified information transited.

“The FBI is Trumpland,” said one current agent.

This atmosphere raises major questions about how Comey and the bureau he is slated to run for the next seven years can work with Clinton should she win the White House.


The Hillary Clinton email controversy explained: what we know so far
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The currently serving FBI agent said Clinton is “the antichrist personified to a large swath of FBI personnel,” and that “the reason why they’re leaking is they’re pro-Trump.”

The agent called the bureau “Trumplandia”, with some colleagues openly discussing voting for a GOP nominee who has garnered unprecedented condemnation from the party’s national security wing and who has pledged to jail Clinton if elected.


Hillary Clinton: ‘There is no case’ in FBI email investigation – video
At the same time, other sources dispute the depth of support for Trump within the bureau, though they uniformly stated that Clinton is viewed highly unfavorably.

“There are lots of people who don’t think Trump is qualified, but also believe Clinton is corrupt. What you hear a lot is that it’s a bad choice, between an incompetent and a corrupt politician,” said a former FBI official.

Sources who disputed the depth of Trump’s internal support agreed that the FBI is now in parlous political territory. Justice department officials – another current target of FBI dissatisfaction – have said the bureau disregarded longstanding rules against perceived or actual electoral interference when Comey wrote to Congress to say it was reviewing newly discovered emails relating to Clinton’s personal server.

Comey’s vague letter to Congress, promptly leaked by Republican congressman Jason Chaffetz, said the bureau would evaluate communications – subsequently identified as coming from a device used by disgraced ex-congressman Anthony Weiner, whose estranged wife Huma Abedin is a Clinton aide – for connections to the Clinton server. Comey’s allies say he was placed in an impossible position after previously testifying to Congress it would take an extraordinary development for him to revisit the Clinton issue. Throughout the summer and fall, Trump has attacked the FBI as corrupt for not effectively ending Clinton’s political career.

A political firestorm erupted, with Comey and the bureau coming under withering criticism, including a rebuke on Wednesday from Barack Obama. Even some congressional Republicans, no friends to Clinton, have expressed discomfort with Comey’s last-minute insertion of the bureau into the election.

The relevance of the communications to the Clinton inquiry has yet to be established, as Comey issued his letter before obtaining a warrant to evaluate them. Clinton surrogates contend that Comey has issued innuendo rather than evidence, preventing them from mounting a public defense.

Some feel Comey needs to address the criticism and provide reassurance that the bureau, with its wide-ranging investigative and surveillance powers, will comport itself in an apolitical manner. Yet since Friday, Comey has maintained his silence, even as both Clinton and Trump have called for the bureau to disclose more of what it knows.

Leaks, however, have continued. Fox News reported on Wednesday that the FBI is intensifying an investigation into the Clinton Foundation over allegations – which both the foundation and the Clinton camp deny – it traded donations for access to Hillary Clinton when she was secretary of state. The Wall Street Journal reported that justice department officials considered the allegations flimsy.

The leaks have not exclusively cast aspersions on Clinton. Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager, is the subject of what is said to be a preliminary FBI inquiry into his business dealings in Russia. Manafort has denied any wrongdoing.

The Daily Beast reported on Thursday on ties between Trump surrogate Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, and the FBI’s New York field office, which reportedly pressed the FBI to revisit the Clinton server investigation after beginning an inquiry into Weiner’s alleged sexual texting with a minor. The website reported that a former New York field office chief, highly critical of the non-indictment, runs a military charity that has received significant financial donations from Trump.

Comey’s decision to tell the public in July that he was effectively dropping the Clinton server issue angered some within the bureau, particularly given the background of tensions with the justice department over the Clinton issue. A significant complication is the appearance of a conflict of interest regarding Loretta Lynch, the attorney general, who met with Bill Clinton this summer ahead of Comey’s announcement, which she acknowledged had “cast a shadow” over the inquiry.

“Many FBI agents were upset at the director, not because he didn’t [recommend to] indict, but they believe he threw the FBI under the bus by taking the heat away from DoJ [Department of Justice],” the former bureau official said.

All this has compounded pressure on Comey, with little end in sight.

Jim Wedick, who retired from the bureau in 2004 after 35 years, said that if Clinton is elected, she and Comey would probably find a way to work together out of a sense of pragmatism. He recalled both his own occasional clashes with federal prosecutors and Bill Clinton’s uneasy relationship with his choice for FBI director, Louis Freeh.

“Each one will find a way to pick at the other. It’s not going to be good and it’s not going to be pretty. But they’ll both have to work with each other,” he said.

Senator Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat on the intelligence committee, said: “The continued leadership failures at the FBI are another reminder we can’t let intelligence agencies say ‘trust us’ and then give them a blank check to probe into Americans’ lives.

“While I’ve argued for years that Congress must create ironclad protections for Americans’ security and privacy, we also need vigilant oversight of agencies that have the power to deprive citizens of their liberty or change the course of an election.”

The FBI would not comment for this story.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... nald-trump

Meet the Activist Who Smelled Something Fishy With the FBI's Anti-Clinton Records Dump, and Got Internal Watchdogs Investigating

When an official FBI Twitter account that had been dormant for a year sprang to life with old documents about the Clintons, Jonathan Hutson took action.
By Adele M. Stan / AlterNet November 3, 2016


As AlterNet reported, the FBI on Sunday suddenly reactivated a long-dead Twitter account whose purpose is to announce the release of FBI documents obtained by members of the public under the Freedom of Information Act. Amid a flurry of ho-hum releases (including the Bureau's own ethics handbook) over the next two days, two stood out: a nothing-burger on Fred Trump, the father of the Republican presidential nominee; and heavily redacted documents from a 15-year-old closed investigation into President Bill Clinton’s pardon of financier Marc Rich, and the William J. Clinton Foundation.

This took place just as Hillary Clinton, the former first lady, entered the final round of her bout against Donald Trump. Jonathan Hutson, a Maryland-based communications consultant, smelled something fishy.

The @FBIRecordsVault Twitter account sprang back to life as FBI director James Comey took heat from Democrats (as well as politicians across the political spectrum) for sending a vague letter, just 11 days before the presidential election, to the chairmen of eight congressional committees, informing them his agents had found emails on a computer belonging to Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of Clinton aide Huma Abedin, that might be pertinent to the investigation of Clinton’s use of a private email server during her tenure as secretary of state.

While many on Twitter and in the political-punditsphere took umbrage at what looked like an attempt to insert a negative narrative about Clinton into public discussion just days before the election, Hutson decided to take action, registering a citizen’s complaint with the FBI. Candice Will, assistant director of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility, responded to Hutson’s complaint, confirming that she has referred the matter to the Bureau’s Investigation Division, which will deliver its findings to her office for adjudication.

To Hutson, who has a law degree from New York University, the November 1 tweet and the timing of the release of the documents about the pardon appeared to be a violation of the Hatch Act, the 1939 law that bars government agencies and their employees from acting to affect the outcome of an election.

“I saw on Twitter that the @FBIRecordsVault had suddenly awakened a week before the election, after a year's dormancy, and started tweeting biased and incomplete information a week before the election,” Hutson told AlterNet via email. “So as a concerned citizen, I filed complaints with the U.S. Department of Justice's Inspector General and with the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility.”

In Hutson’s letter to Wills, he described the materials released by the @FBIRecordsVault account:

[A]t 4:00 a.m. Eastern on October 30, 2016, within two weeks of a presidential election, this FBI Twitter account began tweeting documents relating to Fred Trump, the father of Donald Trump, in which Fred is falsely characterized as a "philanthropist" although the FBI records and public records do not support this unfounded but flattering characterization. On the other hand, the FBI did not release any records on the federal lawsuit against Fred Trump for housing discrimination against people of color in New York. This is the same Fred Trump who had reportedly been arrested at a Ku Klux Klan rally.

On the same date, again at the unusual hour of 4:00 a.m., this FBI Twitter account tweeted documents which portrayed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in a negative light.

Then again, less than one week prior to the presidential election, at noon Eastern on November 1, 2016, in violation of Department of Justice guidance and policy against making public statements that might unfairly influence the electorate within 60 days of an election, and in possible violation of the Hatch Act, @FBIRecordsVault tweeted records of decade-old, debunked William J. Clinton Foundation scandals and records of President Clinton's 2001 pardon of Mark Rich where no wrongdoing had been found in an investigation that has been closed.

The William Clinton Foundation records linked from the tweet do not indicate that there had been no indictment and no finding of any wrongdoing in this closed case. This incomplete nature of the records posted without proper context convey a false and unfair impression that there is some reason for a cloud of suspicion to linger over this matter which has been resolved for more than a decade.

“I found it ironic, significant, and revealing that at the same time, @FBIRecordsVault tweeted the ethics handbook banning FBI employees from interfering or affecting the outcome of elections,” Hutson, a former investigative reporter, told AlterNet via email. “So they knew perfectly well that there was a clear appearance of impropriety in issuing biased tweets even as the FBI director faces criticism for his unprecedented actions on the eve of a presidential election. Why would they do that?”

As noted by ThinkProgress, the decision by the FBI’s Candice Will to refer the matter for investigation runs counter to the flippant statement the Bureau released in response to the initial outcry against the documents dump. In that statement, FBI officials asserted that the resurrected Twitter account was simply conducting routine activities in regard to documents released via FOIA. “Per the standard procedure for FOIA, these materials became available for release and were posted automatically and electronically to the FBI’s public reading room in accordance with the law and established procedures.”

The statement does not address the standard procedure for publicizing such releases via the @FBIRecordsVault account. Now, the FBI’s own internal watchdogs will determine whether the timing of the tweets was in violation of the Hatch Act or Justice Department guidelines—and who made the decision to reactivate the Twitter account.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/m ... mp-and-got

[Rory]

I haven't posted a video in quite a while.

[seemslikeadream]

I haven't posted a video in quite a while.

You posted a link from Real Clear and it was that Fox News video

don't you even look at the links you post?

this Fox News shit ...is just that .....shit


Fox News has a X FBI guy on speed dial Jim Kallstrom

[DrEvil]

I have seen this posted around the internet but I cannot verify if the video actually was shot in the places indicated. It does appear to be people stuffing ballot boxes but the when and where I am not sure of. I have not seen it grabbing any traction such as people being arrested for it. It is actually comical the way they go about stuffing the boxes.

https://youtu.be/8YsRU0TFQTY

That's cute btia. How do you know it's not really republicans filmed by republicans to frame dems? You don't. The first scene shows someone shredding documents, not stuffing a ballot box. Welcome back.

Nope, it don't. Watch again. Whole pieces of paper are falling in. She is trying to get them straight and thin because those boxes are only designed for one sheet at a time.

Then how about the Russian flag at around the one minute mark (in.. um.. Pennsylvania)?

My Gawd! They really are rigging your elections, but not to worry: backtoiam is here to save the day with his keen eye for truthiness, reckless disregard for critical thinking and no concept whatsoever of checking your bloody sources.

[8bitagent]

Even if no criminal indictment of the Clinton Foundation happens, it is interesting how Hillary defends all the donations.

Especially given some of the worst sponsors of terrorism and human rights abuses sent tens of millions to the Foundation

No need for big bold red letters, the facts speak for themselves.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/po ... arity.html

During Bush and Obama, I thought it was funny how the US spends trillions to fight terrorists while being
close allies with (and even giving loads of money) to the state sponsors of said terrorists

[seemslikeadream]

I am so sick of all these right wing crappolla links being posted here....

The Daily Beast On How FBI Alumni Are Using Fox News To Attack Hillary Clinton
Blog ››› 8 hours 31 min ago ››› OLIVER WILLIS


Kallstrom on Fox News

Writing at The Daily Beast, Wayne Barrett takes note of the pipeline between conservative FBI agents (both active and retired) and Fox News. Figures like former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor and current Donald Trump surrogate, as well as James Kallstrom, the former head of the New York City FBI office, have appeared on the network and used its air to amplify the grievances of these agents.

Barrett reports that Kallstrom has “been on an anti-Comey romp for months, most often on Fox, where he’s called the Clintons as a ‘crime family.’” Appearing on The Kelly File, Kallstrom claimed that agents involved in the Clinton investigation were “P.O.’d” that President Obama said the Clinton emails weren’t a national security issue and compared the statement to “someone driving another nail in the coffin of the criminal justice system.”

After FBI Director James Comey cleared Clinton of wrongdoing in the email investigation, Kallstrom made more appearances on Fox News and alleged that agents “both on the job and off the job” were “worried about the reputation of the agency they love.” Kallstrom again used Fox as a platform for his views, endorsing Trump on Stuart Varney’s Fox Business show, describing Clinton as a “pathological liar.”

Kallstrom responded to Comey’s letter to congressional leaders telling them that the agency would be reviewing newly discovered emails with yet another Fox appearance.

Kallstrom’s victory tour this weekend also included an appearance on Fox with former Westchester District Attorney Jeanine Pirro, another close associate of Pataki’s, who complained on air that she’d been the victim in 2006 when word emerged that the U.S attorney and FBI were probing her in the midst of a race she eventually lost to Andrew Cuomo to become New York Attorney General.

Her concern about the political impact of law enforcement leaks, though, didn’t extend to Democrat Hillary Clinton. “He couldn’t hold on to this any longer,” Kallstrom said of Comey. “Who knows, maybe the locals would’ve done it,” he added, a reference to leaks that elicited glee from Pirro, who echoed: “New York City, that’s my thing!”

[…]

He declined to explain why Megyn Kelly stated as a fact that he was in contact with agents “involved” in the case. Asked in a follow up email if he suggested or encouraged any particular actions in his exchanges with active agents, Kallstrom replied: “No.”

“Now, I’m supporting Comey,” Kallstrom told me on the phone, adding that he can’t do or say anything else before election day. “He can’t characterize” what the bureau has from the Weiner emails. “The FBI can’t say anything without having all the information,” Kallstrom contends, just after telling me he supports the FBI director who’s under fire for having done just that.

[..]

It’s clear enough, though, why when Comey sent a note to FBI staff on Friday explaining his decision to inform Congress about the renewed Clinton probe, the scoop about that internal memo went to Fox News. Why Kallstrom gets booked to talked about the Clintons a “crime family.” Why Clinton Cash author Peter Schweitzer, caught in a web of Breitbart and Trump conflicts, would announce on Fox that he was asked in August to sit down with New York office FBI agents investigating the Clinton Foundation (with The New York Times reporting this week that the agents were relying largely on his discredited work when they pitched a fullscale probe).

Fox is the pipeline for the fifth column inside the bureau, a battalion that says it’s doing God’s work, chasing justice against those who are obstructing it, while, in fact, it’s doing GOP work, even on the eve of a presidential election.
http://mediamatters.org/people/james-kallstrom

[seemslikeadream]

pushing right wing Fox News lies here deserve big red letters..so fucking tired of this shit

there are 3 just on this one page

Even if no criminal indictment of the Clinton Foundation happens, it is interesting how Hillary defends all the donations.

Especially given some of the worst sponsors of terrorism and human rights abuses sent tens of millions to the Foundation

No need for big bold red letters, the facts speak for themselves.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/po ... arity.html

During Bush and Obama, I thought it was funny how the US spends trillions to fight terrorists while being
close allies with (and even giving loads of money) to the state sponsors of said terrorists