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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Nordic » Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:55 pm

you're still falling for any of his more "leftish" or "peaceful" statements as though they have even the face value.


What a strawman. Nobody thinks they're "leftish" or "peaceful". How old are you and how long have you lived in this country? Do you not remember old school conservatives like Pat Buchanan who were actually isolationist? That's what Trump is. With his hair he clearly emulates his mother; quite possibly with his politics he's emulating his father.

It's been so long since we've had anything but neocons bent on world domination we all seem to have forgotten that right wingers used to be against anything beyond our borders. They were for tariffs and minding our own business. They were also racist and elitist. Not nice guys. But against wars that weren't for defense and against shipping our industries to overseas countries.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:02 pm

trump is a fucking liar...period

you can't believe a word that spews out of his mouth
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:17 pm

Secret Service spoke to Trump campaign about 2nd Amendment comment
By Tami Luhby and Jim Sciutto, CNN
Updated 5:07 PM ET, Wed August 10, 2016

(CNN)A US Secret Service official confirms to CNN that the USSS has spoken to the Trump campaign regarding his Second Amendment comments.

"There has been more than one conversation" on the topic, the official told CNN.
The campaign told USSS Donald Trump did not intend to incite violence.
"No such meeting or conversation ever happened," Trump tweeted in response to CNN's report.
The controversy erupted on Tuesday afternoon when Trump said at a rally that Second Amendment defenders might be able to stop Clinton from appointing justices to the Supreme Court who could weaken gun rights.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/politics/ ... amendment/
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby brekin » Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:33 pm

Nordic » Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:55 pm wrote:
you're still falling for any of his more "leftish" or "peaceful" statements as though they have even the face value.


What a strawman. Nobody thinks they're "leftish" or "peaceful". How old are you and how long have you lived in this country? Do you not remember old school conservatives like Pat Buchanan who were actually isolationist? That's what Trump is. With his hair he clearly emulates his mother; quite possibly with his politics he's emulating his father.

It's been so long since we've had anything but neocons bent on world domination we all seem to have forgotten that right wingers used to be against anything beyond our borders. They were for tariffs and minding our own business. They were also racist and elitist. Not nice guys. But against wars that weren't for defense and against shipping our industries to overseas countries.


I look at it this way, war with Russia would be bad, would be catastrophic. But allowing Russia to expand its power and influence unchecked would be bad to, over the long term, because Russia's rates of crime, murder, rape, environmental degradation, citizen rights, freedom of the press, abysmal economy and social conditions, etc. are near war like, which all seem to bleed into countries they start to strangle. You can't be isolationist anymore. If you don't contain Russia it will just spread its Thugocracy into bigger turfs. Russia expands into Europe and Africa along with China and they hook up, well we will wish we had a president who was tough on Russia back in 2016. And really, why does Trump rail against China but is sweet on Russia? Russia gives him money, China doesn't.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/tru ... ly-a-thing
http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/29/news/do ... ssia-ties/

Well not so much, yet.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/artic ... -for-visas
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Nordic » Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:42 pm


I look at it this way, war with Russia would be bad, would be catastrophic. But allowing Russia to expand its power and influence unchecked would be bad to, over the long term, because Russia's rates of crime, murder, rape, environmental degradation, citizen rights, freedom of the press, abysmal economy and social conditions, etc. are near war like, which all seem to bleed into countries they start to strangle. You can't be isolationist anymore. If you don't contain Russia it will just spread its Thugocracy into bigger turfs. Russia expands into Europe and Africa along with China and they hook up, well we will wish we had a president who was tough on Russia back in 2016. And really, why does Trump rail against China but is sweet on Russia? Russia gives him money, China doesn't.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/tru ... ly-a-thing
http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/29/news/do ... ssia-ties/

Well not so much, yet.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/artic ... -for-visas


You're clearly not paying the slightest bit of attention to reality. But hey go back in time to the mid 80s if you can find a time machine. I think you'd be happier there. Your world view might actually make sense.

Please show me one single example of Putin having any imperial ambitions. Everything he's done is purely defensive.

What you are describing above is the US of fucking A. Everything you say is true but not of Russia. Of the US.

And please don't post WP. They are pro Hillary supporter/propagandists of the worst sort and you know it.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby slimmouse » Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:49 pm

For whatever it's worth, I do believe Nordic has a point or two here..

Putin is surely an interesting soul?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:55 pm

alright now let's not get too lovely dovey with Putin ....

any of you gay and ever lived in Russia?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:11 pm

Nordic » Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:55 pm wrote:
you're still falling for any of his more "leftish" or "peaceful" statements as though they have even the face value.


What a strawman. Nobody thinks they're "leftish" or "peaceful". How old are you and how long have you lived in this country? Do you not remember old school conservatives like Pat Buchanan who were actually isolationist? That's what Trump is. With his hair he clearly emulates his mother; quite possibly with his politics he's emulating his father.

It's been so long since we've had anything but neocons bent on world domination we all seem to have forgotten that right wingers used to be against anything beyond our borders. They were for tariffs and minding our own business. They were also racist and elitist. Not nice guys. But against wars that weren't for defense and against shipping our industries to overseas countries.


Buchanan seems to be backing Trump. There you go. A fine precedent.

You could have also said tariffs, "minding our own business" (which in practice was to have more quiet interventions on behalf of United Fruit and fewer ones for "democracy") and restoring Jim Crow and enforcement of sodomy laws in the homo-bashing way that God intended. Great. Also, ban abortion and get those bitchy women to shut up already.

Surely you don't wonder why anyone who isn't already white is going to have a tough time weighting the various elements of Buchanan politics in the sanitized way you do. This approach of, "yeah, things may get worse socially for your group, which the Trump ideology specifically targets, but hey, tariffs and no NAFTA will make it worth your while!" -- it is just not going to speak to anyone who doesn't already encode as white and straight. You see that, yeah?

"Leftish" and "peaceful" (note I used quotes) would be my shorthand for opportunistic positions like anti-TPP, anti-regime change (if hardly antiwar, if you're listening), and occasional nods at things like universal health care (just as consistently denied). Also, the laughable direct pitches to Sanders' voters (and Trump will surely get 6-9% of those, doing as well as he will do among black people).

Now I thought I'd never say this, but by comparison Buchanan is a trustworthy actor, in that he believably represents what he claims to represent. To think that of Trump when he talks that kind of stuff is to ignore pretty much everything Trump is telling you as a person -- and to do so in the context of a campaign that has been entirely and proudly about his cult of personality. Everything he does is about himself, the moment, and his performance in the moment. There is absolutely nothing he will not say, or deny having said while watching video of himself saying it. It's all show and designed to not matter factually a minute later, long as the right emotional register was hit with the reality TV audience/base. The most incredible aspect of it is how many smart people find that deniable, and want to take some of his statements at face value, generally while ignoring those that are actually core to his achievement so far (walls and bans and take their oil and more torture and let the cops loose on the criminals already, beat that guy, take his coat, etc. etc.). And now he's got Paulson and the hedge fund pirates on his go-team for actual policy, and you're still believing any of it?

It's also kind of a capitulation to the current liberal mythos that he got where he is as an economic populism (since the current "liberal" mythos hates economic populism a lot more than it does racism). You don't see the Clinton surrogates hitting on the racism lately as often as they mock economic populism and trot out expert opinion on the dangers of Russia. Why do you think that is? The actors in this show fit together perfectly.

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby brekin » Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:27 pm

Nordic » Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:42 pm wrote:

I look at it this way, war with Russia would be bad, would be catastrophic. But allowing Russia to expand its power and influence unchecked would be bad to, over the long term, because Russia's rates of crime, murder, rape, environmental degradation, citizen rights, freedom of the press, abysmal economy and social conditions, etc. are near war like, which all seem to bleed into countries they start to strangle. You can't be isolationist anymore. If you don't contain Russia it will just spread its Thugocracy into bigger turfs. Russia expands into Europe and Africa along with China and they hook up, well we will wish we had a president who was tough on Russia back in 2016. And really, why does Trump rail against China but is sweet on Russia? Russia gives him money, China doesn't.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/tru ... ly-a-thing
http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/29/news/do ... ssia-ties/

Well not so much, yet.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/artic ... -for-visas


You're clearly not paying the slightest bit of attention to reality. But hey go back in time to the mid 80s if you can find a time machine. I think you'd be happier there. Your world view might actually make sense.


Yo, I got a time machine.



Please show me one single example of Putin having any imperial ambitions. Everything he's done is purely defensive.


Ukraine? Crimea? Sure it's not completely black and white, but when did Ukrainians and Crimean's invade Russia?

What you are describing above is the US of fucking A. Everything you say is true but not of Russia. Of the US.


Dang dog. Nordic, do you really want me to even pursue that? Russia is Middle Earth and the US is Mordor? By any metric the US is better than Russia (excepting maybe Chess), even a Russian will tell you that. Maybe do a time share exchange with someone from Moscow?

And please don't post WP. They are pro Hillary supporter/propagandists of the worst sort and you know it.

I'll take that under consideration.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:33 pm

I didn't think I'd ever have to ask AD to be a character witness for me :D
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:07 pm

I for one welcome our new Russian overlords!
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:24 pm

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby divideandconquer » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:15 pm

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:33 pm

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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