Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[dada]

I'm a major proponent of cascading effects and unforseen outcomes.

Does that make me a globalist enabler? I don't know. I'm guessing yes.

A dirty new world order lover. I'm also pro-facemask, and pro-lockdowns. And I don't feel any need to justify it.

[conniption]

^^^ Good for you.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/events-archive/2001_dark-winter/about.html

Dark Winter
About the Exercise

On June 22-23, 2001, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Johns Hopkins Center for Civilian Biodefense Studies, the ANSER Institute for Homeland Security, and the Oklahoma City National Memorial Institute for the Prevention Terrorism, hosted a senior-level war game examining the national security, intergovernmental, and information challenges of a biological attack on the American homeland. (See also: Dark Winter Script • Article: Shining Light on Dark Winter)...

continued at link: https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org ... about.html

[dada]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not 'one of them.' I can't afford to live in dystopia.

The rent is too expensive. Anyway, I caught a good segment on NHK recently about strengthening your immune system. Good overview, solid tips.

But pardon the interruption. Please, do carry on. The new world order wishes you all good health this holiday season.

[Belligerent Savant]

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At this point, anyone that subscribes to the 'lockdown/mask-up' mandates blindly, without discernment or scrutiny, is a willing (or unwitting) dupe, and contributing to the inbound push for a dystopic/technocratic landscape awaiting us (correction: it's already arrived and only going to escalate).

It should be evident by now. No excuse for any human of sound mind to continue to subscribe to these narratives, especially anyone that believes they aren't influenced by propaganda.

I'm going to take a break for a while from posting updates on this thread -- much to the relief of a number of you, perhaps.

I will leave you with a few additional breadcrumbs, however.


Re: Efficacy of Lockdowns

The factors that most strongly predicted the number of people who died of covid in a country were rate of obesity, average age, and level of income disparity. Each percentage point increase in the rate of obesity resulted in a 12% increase in covid deaths. Each additional average year of age in the population increased covid deaths by 10% . On the opposite end of the spectrum, each point in the direction of greater equality on the gini-coefficient (a scale used to determine how evenly resources are distributed across a population) resulted in a 12% decrease in covid deaths. All these results were statistically significant.

...let’s get to the most important thing, which the authors seem to have tried to hide, because they make so little mention of it. Lockdown and covid deaths. The authors found no correlation whatsoever between severity of lockdown and number of covid deaths. And they didn’t find any correlation between border closures and covid deaths either. And there was no correlation between mass testing and covid deaths either, for that matter. Basically, nothing that various world governments have done to combat covid seems to have had any effect whatsoever on the number of deaths.
- Sebastian Rushworth MD

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/ ... id-deaths/

JPMorgan Finds No Benefits From COVID Lockdowns

...in a surprising report out of JPMorgan, the bank finds no meaningful curve development differences between countries with and without strong curve intervention. This makes the bank question if existing public health intervention (i.e., lockdown/ stricter social distancing) should remain in place next year, and leads JPM to conclude that "public health policy should consider approaches biased towards economic/pubic mental health over the urge to close the curve in 2021."
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To reach its "startling" conclusion, JPMorgan compared countries without lockdown, keeping the economy open under certain levels of social-distancing (Brazil, US, Sweden, Japan, Korea) to countries with strong curve intervention (UK, Germany, Italy, France, China, India) to see any meaningful differential in the curve development.

the data show that there exists some degree of i) shorter period to peak infection, ii) smaller scale of death per million and iii) slightly larger scale of antibody level found in countries with stricter social distancing measures and lockdowns. However JPMorgan does not see a large meaningful difference between two groups.

This outcome suggest that COVID-19 follows a similar diffusion and development process of other infectious diseases with certain life cycles. Therefore, JPMorgan would argue that public health policy should consider a bit more biased approach on economic/pubic mental health over the aim to close the infection curve in 2021 as lockdowns could be costly to the economy.

JPMorgan's conclusion: "Keeping public activities open and tracing susceptible people leveraging technology looks to have better risk reward to us."

Re: PCR tests

The public harm resulting from the deliberate misuse of the PCR method in order to produce media-driven panic of false positive “cases”, resulting in quarantine, masks and denial of civil liberties cannot be over-stated.

Authoritarian and unconstitutional policies enacted by State, City or County officials are harmful to public and social health. It matters little whether we call them mandates or lockdowns when legislation to control public behavior, masks, social distancing and public gatherings is based on false warnings that endanger public health based on a bogus PCR test that has no ability to detect an infectious disease as argued by PCR inventor, Kary Mullis - Video

[004] Claim: CDC Document Confirms PCR has no value at detecting Covid-19 infection

The highlighted limitations below are evidence that the CDC is fully aware that PCR is not capable of diagnosing an infectious coronavirus.

CDC Document dated 07/13/2020

CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel

CDC-006-00019, Revision: 05 CDC/DDID/NCIRD/ Division of Viral Diseases Effective: 07/13/2020

Document Link 1 PDF: Document Link 2 WEB:

Limitations Page 38

Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms.

The performance of this test has not been established for monitoring treatment of 2019-nCoV infection.

The performance of this test has not been established for screening of blood or blood products for the presence of 2019-nCoV.

This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

https://justpaste.it/1ngmb

Re: Pfizer vaccine:

One of my MD correspondents recently sent me an email which encapsulates these concerns.

"I've been reading about the Pfizer vaccine.

I've known for a while that it is an mRNA vaccine but it just hit me that it will be the first mRNA vaccine ever approved for human use.

If COVID was a 'Steven King' (kills-everyone) virus, sure, go for it--prevent the deaths and take what comes.

But mortality is low, acute treatments are improving, transmission is preventable, and the greatest risk now appears to be longer term morbidity.

mRNA vaccines by the very nature of their components elicit an interferon response that triggers generalized autoimmunity. This may, in fact, be part of the mechanism of longer term morbidity associated with COVID infection.

Mass introduction of mRNA strands into the populations may indeed reduce acute COVID morbidity and mortality, but how many autoimmune complications will result?

No one knows.

It's never been done before--ever.

It would take years of carefully controlled and limited trials across all ethnic groups to find out.

Is the net good from a vaccine that fewer people die up front but a whole lot more folks suffer long term problems on the back end--especially (as seems likely) boosters will be required.

Shouldn't there be a discussion before 'immunity passports' are mandated?

For that matter, shouldn't we discover how long natural immunity lasts before trying to provoke induced immunity?

I'm dumbstruck that, with the proposed approval timetable, this path is even being considered at a population level, let alone considered without an extensive discussion.

First do no harm."

...and then there's the self-interest of those seeking rapid approval of the vaccines. As noted in the independent.co.uk article:

"But perhaps the most important question to ask about Moderna's new messenger RNA vaccine is not scientific nor technical but one of ethics and morality. When it comes to the United States and its private healthcare system, pharmaceutical companies have a long and sordid history of putting profits over people and human lives."

In such a highly polarized, politicized environment, is such a scrupulously objective study even possible? In a system that rewards self-serving statistical analysis and "first to market," a system where Big Pharma insiders reap millions of dollars selling their stock on the PR of happy-talk, is it even possible to have truly objective studies of a vaccine's efficacy and long-term effects?

It seems doubtful. And that's a problem that extends far beyond the unknowns of mRNA vaccines.

http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/20 ... about.html


...and this LUNACY:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/busi ... certs-plan

Monday's news that pharmaceutical company Pfizer's early results on a new COVID-19 vaccine showed a 90% efficacy rate on an initial clinical trial have given concert professionals hope that the business can start mounting a return in 2021. As part of that preparation, Ticketmaster has been working on a framework for post-pandemic fan safety that uses smart phones to verify fans' vaccination status or whether they've tested negative for the coronavirus within a 24 to 72 hour window.

Many details of the plan, which is still in development phase, will rely on three separate components -- the Ticketmaster digital ticket app, third party health information companies like CLEAR Health Pass or IBM's Digital Health Pass and testing and vaccine distribution providers like Labcorp and the CVS Minute Clinic.

if approved: After purchasing a ticket for a concert, fans would need to verify that they have already been vaccinated (which would provide approximately one year of COVID-19 protection) or test negative for coronavirus approximately 24 to 72 hours prior to the concert. The length of coverage a test would provide would be governed by regional health authorities -- if attendees of a Friday night concert had to be tested 48 hours in advance, most could start the testing process the day before the event. If it was a 24-hour window, most people would likely be tested the same day of the event at a lab or a health clinic.

Once the test was complete, the fan would instruct the lab to deliver the results to their health pass company, like CLEAR or IBM. If the tests were negative, or the fan was vaccinated, the health pass company would verify the attendee's COVID-19 status to Ticketmaster, which would then issue the fan the credentials needed to access the event. If a fan tested positive or didn't take a test to verify their status, they would not be granted access to the event. There are still many details to work out, but the goal of the program is for fans to take care of vaccines and testing prior to the concert and not show up hoping to be tested onsite.

[dada]

Yes, but I'm not your average strawman. It's much worse than that.

Not a brainwashee, but the brainwash-ur. Witty, too.

There's an old saying I'm sure you've all heard, the wise ruler keeps the minds empty and the bellies full. Obviously, if you are aware of the context, this empty-mindedness isn't the empty-mindedness of the habitual social media user, subgenius slacker, or youtube/netflix binger. It's the mind that gives birth to all things. Pregnant with meaning. Maybe even pregnant with a goddess, if you're fortunate.

Or maybe twins. And what about the full bellies. People mistake this for keeping the farm animals fat and happy. People, always thinking with their stomachs. But the old boy didn't say anything about food. Keep the bellies full of laughter. Full of courage.

How does the ruler fill bellies with courage. One way is by example. Their are other ways, but they can't be taught. It's a mystery of wise rulership.

edited to change "subgenius believer" to "subgenius slacker."

[thrulookingglass]

"It's the mind that gives birth to all things." Yuse a wise mother fucker.
The journey is consciousness. Now if we can only raise it by a few degrees.

[operator kos]

oops...

Sweden has admitted its coronavirus immunity predictions were wrong as cases soar across the country

[Belligerent Savant]

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To repeat once more, "cases" are an insufficient/misleading metric since:

1. The PCR test is flawed and is prone to false positives/negatives (AND, doesn't always identify a 'live' presence of this specific strain of coronavirus), and;

2. Most "cases" are actually asymptomatic/minimally symptomatic, and therefore should NOT be defined as a 'case'. A 'case' requires clear symptoms. Media/govts have utterly bastardized certain key definitions, leaving the public largely mis/disinformed on KEY data points.

This is not 'inadvertent'.


As of November 13th, Sweden has reported an additional 42 deaths associated with COVID, out of 5,990 cases.

While it's unfortunate, is this cause for alarm?

Good for Sweden for keeping to their sound strategy, despite the fear-mongering attempts elsewhere.

How many humans have died otherwise during the same timespan?

I repeat my position that many have been duped into a sheer LUNATIC mindset on this virus.

Tragic.

[yathrib]

Likewise, at least in principle. Love or hate people like Fauci, at least his opinions or conclusions are based upon something, whereas the covid deniers base theirs upon wishful thinking, faulty intuition, and/or a desire to exculp[ate their Dear Leader for his criminally negligent behavior in the face of the pandemic.

That being said, you cannot simply tell working people living paycheck to paycheck to stay home and starve, as seems to be the American "liberal" answer.

I'm a major proponent of cascading effects and unforseen outcomes.

Does that make me a globalist enabler? I don't know. I'm guessing yes.

A dirty new world order lover. I'm also pro-facemask, and pro-lockdowns. And I don't feel any need to justify it.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Love or hate people like Fauci, at least his opinions or conclusions are based upon something, whereas the covid deniers base theirs upon wishful thinking, faulty intuition, and/or a desire to exculp[ate their Dear Leader for his criminally negligent behavior in the face of the pandemic.

-- Fauci is a mouthpiece for the State. While he has certainly made statements that were sensible, in parts, he's also repeated propaganda and false narratives, particularly when it comes to govt involvement in handling this virus.

whereas the covid deniers base theirs upon wishful thinking, faulty intuition, and/or a desire to exculp[ate their Dear Leader for his criminally negligent behavior in the face of the pandemic.

-- For those that are DENYING COVID, I can see this point of view. But this 'denial of covid' point of view has not been expressed here. Certainly not demonstrably, as far as I can see, and I've been on this thread from the onset. If you're suggesting such sentiment is being expressed here in RI please point it out. I trust you're not conflating party-line talking points into some of the commentary expressed here?

My focus here is to call out the lies, the fear-mongering, and the underlying agendas (which are counter to the interests of the public-at-large) and instead seek out a call to reason. I've not seen reasoned discourse on this topic from either side holding tightly to their respective Establishment narratives.

That being said, you cannot simply tell working people living paycheck to paycheck to stay home and starve, as seems to be the American "liberal" answer.

-- Agreed.

[DrEvil]

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As of November 13th, Sweden has reported an additional 42 deaths associated with COVID, out of 5,990 cases.

While it's unfortunate, is this cause for alarm?

Good for Sweden for keeping to their sound strategy, despite the fear-mongering attempts elsewhere.

Those numbers are meaningless taken out of context like that. 42 deaths in a day, week, month? Their official statistics show between 10 and 20 deaths per day in November.

https://experience.arcgis.com/experienc ... 87457ed9aa

Sjukdomsfall per dag = cases per day
Nya intensivvårdade fall per dag = new intensive care cases per day
Avlidna per dag = deaths per day

The numbers on that page are lab tests btw.

Also, their strategy is clearly not sound, they're saying so themselves and starting to implement stricter rules. The much vaunted herd immunity is nowhere to be seen.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Actually, yes, their strategy IS sound, because they are looking at current figures and making reasoned adjustments while not going overboard.

The numbers do not justify the more excessive measures taken elsewhere.

It seems increasingly apparent this virus is a more virulent version of the flu -- it will ALWAYS BE WITH US. So this allusion towards 'herd immunity failed' is misleading, and wholly incomplete as a broad-based assessment of things.

Do people not get sick from the flu every year? Do people not die from the flu every year? How have we handled it, historically?

Again: this virus, while more virulent than the flu, was NOT NEARLY AS FATAL AS INITIALLY ADVERTISED. ~99.9% of those under 70 survive. ~94% or so OVER 70 survive. (per the CDC)

The measures taken by governments are madness, and have been implemented not to "save lives" (laughable, given historical activities perpetrated by govts worldwide), but to fast track other agendas in-line with a purported "4th Industrial Revolution".

While these excessive measures are being mandated by govts, LIVES and LIVELIHOODS are LOST. Jobs are lost. Businesses are lost. FOREVER. How is this in the interest of The People? How can anyone think the govt has the best interests of The People in mind when the actions are causing devastation, and will CONTINUE to cause devastation even if they lifted the more excessive mandates TODAY.

The loss of lives and livelihoods make NO SENSE GIVEN THE COVID SURVIVAL RATES.

Protect the more vulnerable, absolutely. Quarantine/isolate them. Take precautions, the rest of us that are far less at risk. There are myriad alternative measures that can be implemented that would have struck a better balance, especially NOW (and over the last ~5 months at least) that we -- or rather, the govts -- have a clearer understanding of what this virus IS, and what it ISN'T. Unfortunately, they've opted to continue with lies and false narratives.

The media's obsessive and misleading focus on "cases" alone (while not factoring in the percentage showing clear symptoms, or the age, or co-morbidities, of those that suffer from more sever symptoms, etc) only exacerbate the lunacy.

[DrEvil]

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Actually, yes, their strategy IS sound, because they are looking at current figures and making reasoned adjustments while not going overboard.

The figures are pretty clear: they have an order of magnitude more dead than their neighbors. Their economy still went to shit, only not quite as bad as other places. Yay? Are you seriously saying that 5000 lives is an acceptable price to pay for a slightly less fucked economy?

The numbers do not justify the more excessive measures taken elsewhere.

It seems increasingly apparent this virus is a more virulent version of the flu -- it will ALWAYS BE WITH US. So this allusion towards 'herd immunity failed' is misleading, and wholly incomplete as a broad-based assessment of things.

Do people not get sick from the flu every year? Do people not die from the flu every year? How have we handled it, historically?

It used to be people died in droves, now we have a vaccine. Even if covid was "just a flu" it would still be a flu with no vaccine.

Again: this virus, while more virulent than the flu, was NOT NEARLY AS FATAL AS INITIALLY ADVERTISED. ~99.9% of those under 70 survive. ~94% or so OVER 70 survive. (per the CDC)

The measures taken by governments are madness, and have been implemented not to "save lives" (laughable, given historical activities perpetrated by govts worldwide), but to fast track other agendas in-line with a purported "4th Industrial Revolution".

No offense, but you talk about the fourth industrial revolution the same way certain swivel-eyed loons talk about Agenda 21. It's not some grand master plan to take away your freedom, it's just a label used to describe the various automation processes in industry being enabled by modern information technology.

While these excessive measures are being mandated by govts, LIVES and LIVELIHOODS are LOST. Jobs are lost. Businesses are lost. FOREVER. How is this in the interest of The People? How can anyone think the govt has the best interests of The People in mind when the actions are causing devastation, and will CONTINUE to cause devastation even if they lifted the more excessive mandates TODAY.

The loss of lives and livelihoods make NO SENSE GIVEN THE COVID SURVIVAL RATES.

To be blunt: fuck your job. You can get a new one. Dead people don't have that luxury.

Protect the more vulnerable, absolutely. Quarantine/isolate them. Take precautions, the rest of us that are far less at risk. There are myriad alternative measures that can be implemented that would have struck a better balance, especially NOW (and over the last ~5 months at least) that we -- or rather, the govts -- have a clearer understanding of what this virus IS, and what it ISN'T. Unfortunately, they've opted to continue with lies and false narratives.

What you're suggesting is doing what Sweden did, and by their own admission they failed at protecting the vulnerable. If freakin' Sweden can't do it, no one can. On a more personal note: you're saying I should be preemptively quarantined for your convenience. Let me put this as politely as I can: go **** ********.

Also: Sweden can't have lockdowns. Their constitution prevents it.

The media's obsessive and misleading focus on "cases" alone (while not factoring in the percentage showing clear symptoms, or the age, or co-morbidities, of those that suffer from more sever symptoms, etc) only exacerbate the lunacy.

How about the media's obsessive focus on the quarter of a million dead Americans? As someone said elsewhere: 9/11 was a national tragedy that brought everyone together. Now it's the weekend.

[dada]

I think that politicizing the virus has atrophied the discussion, reduced it to a flat debate.

Dialogue is under suspicion in an atmosphere like that. Because it might be a trick, you know, a sneaky debating tactic.

[Harvey]

No offense, but you talk about the fourth industrial revolution the same way certain swivel-eyed loons talk about Agenda 21. It's not some grand master plan to take away your freedom, it's just a label used to describe the various automation processes in industry being enabled by modern information technology.

Read it. See if you feel the same way.

https://docplayer.net/11835886-The-four ... ution.html