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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby compared2what? » Thu May 02, 2013 12:31 am

Alchemy wrote:His defense counsel is the same one who represented Lougner and from what I gather she isnt the type who is going to fight to make the state meet its burden of proof, she is someone who is basiclly brought in to try and get the death penalty off the table as opposed to really trying to fight to clear her client or force the prosecution to bring their A game. That is pretty much all she does is work to get DP off the table and it is assumed her clients have no chance of being acquitted. She isnt that kind of defense attorney that would fight like Jose Baez for example.


Of all the examples.

I totally agree that her job is to get a plea. But it''s not like he just got stuck with her, by the luck of the draw. He could fire her if he wanted someone else. I'm sure that Jose Baez, for example, would be happy to take the case. Lots of camera time..

ON EDIT: Plus his other lead attorney is more the aggressive advocate type. But he actually really needs somebody who specializes in beating federal death penalty cases much more, regardless. Because that's what it will be, with or without a trial. Jose Baez would be spectator-and-tabloid-friendly suicide.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby stickdog99 » Thu May 02, 2013 6:22 am

justdrew wrote:
Alchemy wrote:I would not personally go as far as saying she is in the bag but she is more about working deals to get DP out of play than she is about working towards an acquittal or making the state work hard for his conviction, with her at the defense table the chances of a deal and no trial, IMO, are 90%.


If this case wee going to trial she wouldnt be involved, she is not known as a trial lawyer she is a DP negotiator, an expert at it, the best, a fine lawyer and lady she is, but you know when she gets involved there is very very little chance the case goes to trial.


well, they supposedly have video of them dropping off the bombs,


And when will Steven Spielberg be releasing this epic?
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu May 02, 2013 8:01 am

This plea-dealing business is an obscenity. "Plead guilty or we'll kill you."
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu May 02, 2013 8:17 am

New thread in Data Dump:

MacCruiskeen wrote:
Evidence implicating the Tsarnaev bros. in Boston Bombing?

If anyone has any such evidence, please post it here. So far, I personally have seen no such evidence anywhere. Not a smidgeon of it.

(Unsubstantiated allegations by anonymous or unverifiable sources do not count as evidence. These include the statements allegedly made by "Danny" [sic], the allegedly carjacked driver, as well as the admissions allegedly made by the person alleged to be Dzhokhar Tsarnaev who is currently being held in a prison hospital by the FBI.)

Thank you in advance.

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu May 02, 2013 9:25 am

Oh FFS... Two separate news items on the same day. A fortnight of FBI & CIA pressure finally pays off: that mutilated corpse will never be independently viewed, autopsied or identified:

Tamerlan Tsarnaev's widow declines to claim husband's body

guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 May 2013 23.11 BST

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ma ... claim-body


CBS/AP/ May 1, 2013, 11:16 AM

AP: Anzor Tsarnaev, Boston bombing suspects' father, puts off U.S. travel plans indefinitely

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... efinitely/


So who's going to claim the corpse of "Tamerlan"? Guess.

An uncle of the brtohers, Ruslan Tsarni, said on Tuesday that the family would take the body. "Of course, family members will take possession of the body," said Tsarni, of Montgomery Village, Maryland. "We'll do it. We will do it. A family is a family."

He would not elaborate.

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby The Consul » Thu May 02, 2013 10:21 am

Maybe to avoid suspicion they should have buried him at sea.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu May 02, 2013 11:01 am

The Consul wrote:Maybe to avoid suspicion they should have buried him at sea.


Maybe they did bury him at sea. Maybe they fed him to vultures. Who knows? Seriously. All we can state with confidence is that "Tamerlan's" DNA will no more be available for testing than Dzokhar will ever be seen in court.

Apropos, for all this talk of mysterious "female DNA" on the bomb, I've yet to hear Mister Source allege a positive identification of the brothers' DNA on that item. Perhaps that curious omission will soon be rectified, but more likely not. It's not as if any actual evidence is needed in this day and age! A fortnight's insinuation from Mister Source, channeled through the Fourth Estate, is clearly all that the public expects or requires.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby dbcooper41 » Thu May 02, 2013 12:31 pm

http://www.wral.com/police-politicians-push-surveillance-post-boston/12402327/
i still think the quality of the pics in the boston bombing are much better than a standard surveilance photo. look at the next pic you see of an average bank robber and compare the detail.
By TAMI ABDOLLAH, Associated Press
LOS ANGELES — Police and politicians across the U.S. are pointing to the example
of surveillance video that was used to help identify the Boston Marathon bombing
suspects as a reason to get more electronic eyes on their streets.
From Los Angeles to Philadelphia, efforts include trying to gain police access
to cameras used to monitor traffic, expanding surveillance networks in some
major cities and enabling officers to get regular access to security footage at
businesses.
Some in law enforcement, however, acknowledge that their plans may face an
age-old obstacle: Americans' traditional reluctance to give the government more
law enforcement powers out of fear that they will live in a society where there
is little privacy.
"Look, we don't want an occupied state. We want to be able to walk the good
balance between freedom and security," Los Angeles police Deputy Chief Michael
Downing, who heads the department's counter-terrorism and special operations
bureau.
"If this helps prevent, deter, but also detect and create clues to who did (a
crime), I guess the question is can the American public tolerate that type of
security," he said.
The proliferation of cameras — both on street corners and on millions of
smartphones — have helped catch lawbreakers, but plans to expand surveillance
networks could run up against the millions of dollars it can cost to install and
run the networks, expert say.
Whatever Americans' attitudes or the costs, experts say, the use of cameras is
likely to increase in the coming years, whether they are part of an always-on,
government-run network or a disparate, disorganized web of citizens' smartphones
and business security systems.
"One of the lessons coming out of Boston is it's not just going to be cameras
operated by the city, but it's going to be cameras that are in businesses,
cameras that citizens use," said Chuck Wexler, the executive director of the
Police Executive Research Forum. "You'll see the use of cameras will skyrocket."
Part of the push among law enforcement agencies is for greater integration of
surveillance systems. For decades, law enforcement has contacted businesses for
video after a crime. An integrated network would make that easier, advocates
say.
Since the Boston bombings, police officials have been making the case for such a
network.
In Philadelphia, the police commissioner appealed last week to business owners
with cameras in public spaces to register them with the department. In Chicago,
the mayor wants to expand the city's already robust network of roughly 22,000
surveillance video.
And in Houston, officials want to add to their 450 cameras through more public
and private partnerships. The city already has access to hundreds of additional
cameras that monitor the water system, the rail system, freeways and public
spaces such as Reliant Stadium, officials said.
"If they have a camera that films an area we're interested in, then why put up a
separate camera?" said Dennis Storemski, director of the mayor's office of
public safety and homeland security. "And we allow them to use ours too."
In Los Angeles, police have been working on building up a regional video camera
system funded by about $10 million in federal grant dollars over the last
several years that would allow their network to be shared with nearby cities at
the flip of a switch, Downing said.
That effort is in addition to a recent request by an LA councilman who wants the
city to examine allowing police access to cameras used to monitor traffic flow.
If that happens, the LAPD's network of about 700 cameras would grow to more than
1,000.
"First, it's a deterrent and, second, it's evidence," Downing said, adding, "it
helps us in the hunt and pursuit."
Law enforcement experts say police need these augmented systems because the
bystander with a smartphone in hand is no substitute for a surveillance camera
that is deliberately placed in a heavy crime area.
"The general public is not thinking about the kinds of critical factors in
preventing and responding to crimes," said Brenda Bond, a professor who
researches organizational effectiveness of police agencies at Suffolk University
in Boston. "My being in a location is happenstance, and what's the likelihood of
me capturing something on video?"
The U.S. lags behind other countries in building up surveillance. One reason is
the more than 18,000 state and local law enforcement agencies that each
determines its own policy. Another reason is cost: A single high-definition
camera can cost about $2,500 — not including the installation, maintenance or
monitoring costs.
Law enforcement budgets consist of up to 98 percent personnel costs, "so they
don't necessarily have the funding for new technologies," Bond said.
There are also questions about their effectiveness. A 2011 Urban Institute study
examined surveillance systems in Baltimore, Chicago and Washington, and found
that crime decreased in some areas with cameras while it remained unchanged in
others. The success or failure often depended on how the system was set up and
monitored in each city.
While its deterrent effect remains debated, however, there's general agreement
that the cameras can be useful after a crime to help identify suspects.
Cameras, for instance, allowed police in Britain to quickly identify the
attackers behind the deadly 2005 suicide bombings in London. The country has
more than 4.3 million surveillance cameras, primarily put in place after the IRA
terror attacks.
Dozens are said to sit today around the house of George Orwell, the author of
"1984," a story that foretold of a "Big Brother" society. Privacy advocates in
the U.S. are concerned that the networks proposed by officials today could grow
to realize Orwell's dystopic vision.
In recent years, traffic cameras used to catch scofflaw drivers running a red
light or speeding have received widespread backlash across the country: An Ohio
judge ordered a halt to speed camera citations, Arizona's Department of Public
Safety ceased its program, and there have been efforts to ban such cameras in
Iowa.
Amie Stepanovich, director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center's
Domestic Surveillance Project, said the most concerning was an integrated
network of cameras that could allow authorities to track people's movements.
Such a network could be upgraded later with more "invasive" features like facial
recognition, Stepanovich said, noting that the Boston surveillance footage was
from a private security system at a department store that was not linked to law
enforcement.
In many cases, the public may not be aware of the capabilities of the technology
or what is being adopted by their local police department and its implications,
said Peter Bibring, senior staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union
of Southern California.
Unlike private security systems monitored by businesses or citizens'
smartphones, Bibring said, a government-run network is a very different entity
because those watching have "the power to investigate, prosecute and jail
people."
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Postby IanEye » Thu May 02, 2013 1:07 pm

dbcooper41 wrote: i still think the quality of the pics in the boston bombing are much better than a standard surveilance photo. look at the next pic you see of an average bank robber and compare the detail.



in the same way that a user can change the bit rate and sample rate in the import settings in iTunes, a person in charge of surveillance cameras can change the resolution settings that the cameras are recording at.
seeing as how Marathon day is not a normal (average) day on Boylston Street, it would not surprise me if the image resolution was increased for a full 24 hours before the event, precisely for this reason.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby stickdog99 » Thu May 02, 2013 2:56 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:This plea-dealing business is an obscenity. "Plead guilty or we'll kill you."


Plead guilty and read these lines, or we'll kill you.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Thu May 02, 2013 3:08 pm

stickdog99 wrote:
MacCruiskeen wrote:This plea-dealing business is an obscenity. "Plead guilty or we'll kill you."


Plead guilty and read these lines, or we'll kill you.


Jesus fucking christ, it might as well be, how could we even know?

Names, people. Leads. For any good-guy law enforcement that might ever see this thread?
Let's throw together a tentative list of the shadiest entities, the not-to-be-ruled-out-yet.
It will at least make a nice start to the inevitably great HistoryCommons database.

Graham Fuller
James Woosley
Rudy Giuliani and all the ACPC
Everyone else on the Edmonds list
Ruslan Tsarni and whole Tsarnaev clan
Unknown FBI chief investigators, etc.
Islamic Society of Boston
CARE International
Craft International
MA National Guard
James Alan Fox
Carmen Ortiz

Well, that's a start.
Probably a hundred other names, too. Top 100, let's try for that. Maybe it grows to 200.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby 8bitagent » Thu May 02, 2013 3:17 pm

FOURTHBASE! Dude...check out this...

Who's who in the Boston Marathon bombing investigation
By Erin McClam, Staff Writer, NBC News

More details about the Boston Marathon bombing emerged Wednesday — two and a half weeks after the attack killed three people and wounded more than 200 — when two college friends of suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were charged with removing a backpack and a laptop from his dorm room and another was charged with lying about it to the feds.

The laptop was turned over to the FBI, one of the friend's lawyer said, and a backpack containing deconstructed fireworks was ultimately recovered from a landfill. The friends also revealed that Tsarnaev has boasted that he knew how to make a bomb about a month before the attack.
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Now, as the pool of evidence against Tsarnaev grows, so does the list of people related to or involved in the case.


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05 ... estigation

They provide this exhaustive list of "people connected" in any small measure to the case, like some sort of lurid baseball card article.
Yet, lookee lookee...nowhere in the article nor comments is there a mention of:

Graham Fuller, "Misha", Craft international, naked handcuffed man, facedown white handcuffed man in blue police blazer, the Saudi student, etc.
They go out of their way to mention people who don't really need to be mentioned, so I find it funny they wouldn't go for broke.

Very odd no mainstream media wanted to touch the Graham Fuller case. The former vice chair of National Intelligence and top CIA chief was father in law and living
with the bomber's uncle? A man who has sure made himself center stage for the cameras.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby compared2what? » Thu May 02, 2013 3:43 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:This plea-dealing business is an obscenity. "Plead guilty or we'll kill you."


In the usual run of events, the choices are between a plea and a trial. It's not always the prosecution that wants the plea. And when it is, it usually looks more like Aaron Schwartz than the Unabomber.

That doesn't have certain implications for this case. And neither does the fact that the action suggestive of plea-seeking (ie, the request to add Judy Clarke to the defense team) came from his side, not the state's. FWIW, his other lead attorney, Miriam Conrad, has a track record that includes at least one acquittal for a client facing terrorism charges.***

Federal public defenders work exclusively for the indigent. So the ones who do their jobs are a good thing, when they occur. I don't know that she is one. But she has that reputation. So I wouldn't want to condemn her out of hand, categorically, just for being in the vicinity.
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Hypothetically, if I were an innocent defendant in custody who had been framed for a capital crime and those were my only choices, ("Plead guilty, or we'll kill you!") I'd say: "Fine. Kill me, then," whether that meant "Take me to trial" or just "Kill me." But maybe that's just me. I'm sure that there are some people who would choose continuing to live and the concomitant chance to continue to prove they had been framed over just getting it over with. Most people. Virtually all, really, based on what people who maintain they've been framed actually do, including the ones who have been convicted and are on death row.

It's not plainly and simply an invariable obscenity, is my point. Might be here. I don't really know.
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***ON EDIT: In a neutral kind of a way, I guess it speaks well of her that she's 56 and still doing that job. She could have traded in her credentials for a super-lucrative private practice a while ago.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby The Consul » Thu May 02, 2013 3:48 pm

Reminiscent of when Reagan was shot. Hinckley was supposed to have dinner with Neil Bush the day of the assassination attempt. There was a small blurb in Newsweek as it went to press about this suspicious relationship. But after that, not a word in the corporate media until years later. Just one of those trifling coinky dinkies that are beneath the honor of suckhole journalists who, really, just want to stay alive.

If they can get away whit that kind of shit, this shouldn't be too hard to fix.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Thu May 02, 2013 3:56 pm

The Consul wrote:Reminiscent of when Reagan was shot. Hinckley was supposed to have dinner with Neil Bush the day of the assassination attempt. There was a small blurb in Newsweek as it went to press about this suspicious relationship. But after that, not a word in the corporate media until years later. Just one of those trifling coinky dinkies that are beneath the honor of suckhole journalists who, really, just want to stay alive.

If they can get away whit that kind of shit, this shouldn't be too hard to fix.


Nah, this is potentially going to be extremely difficult to fix, if not impossible.

So, smile a little. Hope a little, help a little, sleuth a little. Or: A LOT, lol!!!
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