9/11 Truth Movement vs. 9/11 Truth

[MacCruiskeen]

Jeff wrote:

I mean everyone who has unanswered questions about 9/11, and suspects that its events were managed in part by powerful and unacknowledged forces.

And yet you make a point of quoting with approval the bone-lazy and dismally conventional scribblings of Matt Taibbi and David Rovics, who have no such unanswered questions (or are happy to leave them unanswered), and who use their privileged public voices to misrepresent 'Truthers' as a fungible mass of unkewl paranoid kooks obsessed with explosions.

Jeff, maybe my style is also impenetrable, so forgive me for putting what I regard as the essential (and obvious) point in bold type:

The 9/11 Truth Movement is also - and above all - what the liberal media choose to make it.

We live in the Age of the Spectacle, right? And the morphing of Old Truth into New Truth coincided precisely with its discovery by the media, once those "unanswered questions" had grown unignorable. Funny thing, that. And these comfortable secular clerics have far louder voices (and redder faces) than the proles they delight in cackling at (who have little or no access to the media). Matt Taibbi Associates are currently working overtime to make "9/11 Truth" into a Comedy Planet populated solely by loonies and lepers. It's a place in which Cynthia McKinney, Paul Thompson, the Jersey Widows, Bryan Sacks, Peter Dale Scott, Nafeez Ahmed, Nicholas Levis, Jamey Hecht, Daniele Ganser, and indeed you, are all strikingly conspicuous by their absence.

Why do you think that is? Who created the 9/11 Comedy Planet, as it is mediated and publicly perceived? Who makes it what it is, for the average young urban professional with a short attention-span? And who do you think might have an interest in deciding which loonies and lepers get to join the cast?

[8bitagent]

My waking up to the attitude of the Left to 911 came when seeing how 911 activists were treated at Camp Casey and at the anti-war demonstrations that followed in DC. They were told from on-high that there was NO alliance, NO discussions, that it was "distracting the public", that we needed to "focus on the war", that it was vital to look to the elections to get the boys home.

Awww....but focus on the IRAQ war

Why do MOST American Liberals support the US occupation of Afghanistan, when the US admits its completely gone to hell?

Watch as liberals get angry when you say that "Yes, Bush LIED to go to Afghanistan too...that had nothing to do with helping the Afghanis, and had everything to do with corporate, opium and military hegemony"

I have NO respect for "anti war liberals" who play mental gymnastics as to why "Iraq is wrong, but Afghanistan was right". Fuck that.

There's thousands of Afghanis dead in the ground from "Operation Enduring Freedom" bombs, and many more with missing limbs or no hearing.

The liberals and anti war side have become a fucking joke, and they can distance themselves from us "crazy" people who think the left/right itself is a joke.

[isachar]

8bit, I'm largely in agreement with you that the ability to fully understand the 911 attacks must go back at least as far as the first attempt on the WTC's in 1993, and the OKC bombing.

Both were facilitated by long-term efforts for which govt agents/informers/provocateurs provided assistance that was absolutely essential to the success of both attacks.

That idiot Taibibi's attempt to discredit all those seeking a full investigation into all aspects of the 911-related crimes by attempting to smear them with an association with the still unresolved aspects of the OKC attack involving FBI/intel agencies serves only to discredit himself.

So, this moron think sthe OKC bombing is all resolved, does he? Despite the well documented links between McVeigh, Elohim City, and FBI informers?

Guess he's never heard of Jesse Trendadue either.

Taibibi's attacks are low-brow kindergarden stuff aimed to a less informed demographic as compared to Jeff's attacks which are more nuanced. But make no mistake. Both seek to protect various parts of the official fairy tale by painting those who reject it as outside of the mainstream and worthy of derision. Both would prevent a valid, full, and complete invesitgation into all of the 911 crimes, not just those deemed politically expedient or convenient, or acceptable.

Trentadue's murder presents perhaps the best opportunity for the undoing of the official fairy tale concerning OKC - at least as long as his brother stays healthy. And guess what? It was physical evidence (his broken and battered body) that first opened up this window into OKC. People associated with this aspect OK C seem to have a nasty habit of being found with ropes around their necks.

http://intelwire.egoplex.com/2006_11_20_exclusives.html

Terry Nichols Claims New Evidence in Oklahoma City Bombing; Asks Meeting With Attorney Jesse Trentadue

By J.M. Berger
INTELWIRE.com

Terry Nichols has asked to meet with a Salt Lake City attorney investigating the Oklahoma City bombing.

In a letter to attorney Jesse Trentadue, Nichols wrote out a detailed affidavit in which he claims to have evidence of "others unknown" -- additional conspirators in the Oklahoma City bombing who have not been brought to justice.

"I do have substantial evidence and information that clearly reveals the involvement of 'others unknown' and federal government coverup," Nichols wrote.

Click here for a copy of the affidavit and letter.

Only Nichols and convicted bomber Timothy McVeigh have ever been brought to trial for conspiring to bomb the Alfred E. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. Persistent and credible reports have identified several individuals within U.S. white supremacist groups who may have played a role in assisting the bombing.

In the new letter, dated Nov. 8, Nichols made several claims about his conditions of imprisonment and attempts to disclose information about the Oklahoma City bombing. His claims could not immediately be verified, but several of Nichols' statements match known facts from other sources.

Nichols claimed his attempts to communicate with journalists have been blocked, and that his mail and phone calls have been intercepted. INTELWIRE and an outside party attempted to correspond with Nichols in 2005, but received no response. INTELWIRE sent Nichols with a Freedom of Information Act privacy waiver and a request for his signature. A signed waiver would preclude the FBI from withholding documents concerning Nichols on the basis of alleged privacy concerns.

Nichols said that on Sept. 8, 2004, he mailed a letter to then-Attorney General John Ashcroft stating that he had information concerning additional conspirators in the Oklahoma City bombing. According to Nichols, the letter was never acknowledged.

Nichols then turned to fellow inmates Emilio Brava and Gregory Scarpa, who said he could get a message to outside investigators. Scarpa, a former mob boss, has also served as an FBI informant, most notably informing on Ramzi Yousef while both were incarcerated in a New York prison. Although Scarpa did pass Nichols' material on to investigators Stephen Dresch and Angela Clemente, Nichols grew to distrust Scarpa, who was also cooperating with the FBI.

The information given to Scarpa eventually led to an FBI search of Nichols' former home in Herington, Kansas. Materials found in the house -- which the FBI neglected to find in 1995 -- closely matched the information provided by Nichols. (External link)

Nichols also invited Trentadue to meet with him. Trentadue, a Salt Lake City attorney, began investigating the Oklahoma City bombing after the death of his brother, Kenneth Trentadue, in federal custody on Aug. 21, 1995.

Kenneth Trentadue's death was initially declared a suicide by prison officials, but the family discovered signs of numerous injuries when preparing him for burial. The family was awarded more than $1 million after winning a wrongful death suit against the government.

Jesse Trentadue's lawsuit over the FBI's disclosure stems from a belief that his brother was killed because of his resemblance to Richard Lee Guthrie, a white supremacist and bank robber who has been credibly linked to the Oklahoma City bombing by numerous reports, including those from the Associated Press, J.D. Cash of the McCurtain Gazette and In Bad Company, a 2001 book by criminology professor Mark S. Hamm.

Guthrie was later apprehended by authorities. Just days before he was scheduled to testify against one of his accomplices in the bank robbery gang, Guthrie was found dead of a purported suicide in his cell. His alleged means of suicide was hanging, the same cause of death originally cited by prison officials for Kenneth Trentadue.

INTELWIRE has obtained documents related to the death of Guthrie under the Freedom of Information Act. Click here to view those documents.

Nichols wrote to Trentadue earlier this year. Click here for a INTELWIRE coverage and the full text of the letter.

Trentadue obtained several documents from the FBI after a lawsuit resolved in his favor earlier this year. Click here for more information on those documents.

Click here for a full index of INTELWIRE's coverage of the Oklahoma City bombing investigation.

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Scarpa, now that's a familair name. You will want to add him to your research concerning Ramzi Youssef if you haven't already done so.

[Searcher08]

*refuses to participate*

There is only one thing I want to say about your comment, OP ED.
The statement on the line above is untrue and so is this one

[sunny]

A few thoughts on what I think may have happened, and I'll be as succinct as I possibly can:

CIA, DOD, NSA, and various individuals within the administration, in conjunction with ISI, the Saudi Royals, the Mossad and various Likudniks in Israel and the US were all involved. Mossad/and or others unknown moved Atta and co. around like chess pieces, watching their every move. Atta and co. were co-opted, bought and paid for Saudi operatives, going wherever and doing whatever they were told. They probably had no idea what the objectives of the operation were, nor that they would die. They were not even effectively sheep-dipped, as the strip joint and cocaine binges would never have been allowed to happen in such an endeavor. The appearance of swarthy Muslims in the plot was enough for a cooperative media to tout the official line.

All the factions had different motivations: The Bush admin wanted the oil, some bloody murderous fun, and the continuance and enrichment of the Bush Dynasty controlled Empire; the Mossad and Likudniks wanted war against their enemies; the National security apparatus wanted war for it's own sake, to shower it's sponsors with lucre, and to get all those new gadget rich spying powers; our Pakistani puppets depend on US gov't favor and did what they were told, including sheltering/possibly killing or detaining OBL, and the Saudis, being a bunch of corrupt and fearful oligarchs wanted any threat to themselves removed.

The US factions provided logistical support with the stand-down and the war games, to possibly foreign perpetrators, whoever they were, to preserve nominal plausible deniability. Certain people were tipped off so they could make a profit on put options. Certain people were warned not to fly; some of them months in advance, which tells me that some of the plotters in the US had no idea when the deed would be done.

The towers were rigged to fall in the days before 9/11 by Muslims (some of whom ended up in Tenn. with fake licences) facilitated by Marvin Bush's security company, who shut down the towers to allow it.

I have no idea if the planes were remote controlled or not-probably so, given my conviction that Atta and co., those very lax Muslims, had no idea they were about to die. By whom were they remote controlled? Maybe Dov Zackheim and co., who is said to have been involved in a company that developed/marketed such technology. Perhaps the US has it's very own zealots who were willing to commit suicide in furtherance of the American Empire. I think this question is ultimately unanswerable except in the event of a whistleblower with undeniable proof. In any event, I am skeptical that the real planes were diverted and dummy planes put in their place. Too much trouble.

Pentagon missiles are up for debate. Until I see clear video of the event, I will continue to have my doubts that a plane hit it. All those dead accountants and all those missing trillions-Dov Zacheim and co. again. Someone wanted something to hit the largest office building on the planet. This event could have been a US plot overlaid on a foreign one that was allowed to happen. Just a suggestion.

Some of the calls from loved ones, such as Barbara Olson, were faked in order to advance the official narrative, some were not.

The plane in Pennsylvania was bombed out of the sky to smithereens, pure and simple. Perhaps the attack had already met it's objective and this particular plane was no longer needed.

That's all for now, if I think of more I'll post it later.

[Luposapien]

I'm far less informed about this than many here, so I officially remain agnostic on the demolition angle, though I lean towards believing something was in place to guarantee that the towers would come down.

However, I'm also understand the inclination to distance oneself from the "red-faced screamers". It puts people on the defensive, and almost guarantees that they will dismiss you out-of-hand, if for no other reason that to preserve their own ego. This may not be rational, but neither is expecting someone to come around to your viewpoint by attacking their intelligence or integrity.

Otherwise, Sunny's rundown above is pretty damn close to how I see things as well. I'm very much a "big picture" kind of person, though, so it's easy for me to get lost amongst all the details (I was always horrible with the names and dates aspect of history).

[Jeff]

Matt Taibbi Associates are currently working overtime to make "9/11 Truth" into a Comedy Planet populated solely by loonies and lepers. It's a place in which Cynthia McKinney, Paul Thompson, the Jersey Widows, Bryan Sacks, Peter Dale Scott, Nafeez Ahmed, Nicholas Levis, Jamey Hecht, Daniele Ganser, and indeed you, are all strikingly conspicuous by their absence.

Why do you think that is? Who created the 9/11 Comedy Planet, as it is mediated and publicly perceived? Who makes it what it is, for the average young urban professional with a short attention-span?

Is that supposed to be a serious question?

[Searcher08]

Ah, I see ThatOtherJeff (R) is in action again

[OP ED]

*refuses to participate*

There is only one thing I want to say about your comment, OP ED.
The statement on the line above is untrue and so is this one

Just watching changes things. I learned that reading comic books. I find the argument/discussion entertaining, but I've lost interest in its outcome, as I don't perceive one forthcoming, nor perhaps even relevant.

That said, I intend to continue reading.

[MacCruiskeen]

Jeff wrote:

Is that supposed to be a serious question?

Of course. And your answer wasn't a serious answer. You simply ignored the essential point I made, and made perfectly clearly: Who casts the show? Who makes Alex Jones the star? Who has the power to send you and Paul Thompson home without an audition? Why are the strongest arguments carefully left unaddressed? Who denies the Jersey Widows even 15 minutes of fame? Who decides how "9/11 Truth" is allowed to manifest itself in the mainstream left/liberal media?

The answer to that question -- i.e. the one I actually asked, as opposed to the Homer Simpson version you conjured up in its place -- is clearly not "Alex 'Foghorn' Jones" (who is a very small fish in the vast media ocean). And call me a sheeple, but I don't actually believe that Alex Jones controls the typing hands of Taibbi, Corn, Cockburn, Rovics, Monbiot and 'Skinner', who have all done their heroic bit to make him The Face - and the Voice - of 9/11 Truth. Nor do I believe that Jones is the real boss at The Guardian, Der Spiegel, or the LA Times. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It's the Enlightened Liberals who choose the stars and broadcast their performance to millions. These titans of intellect also cast the extras, who invariably include Nico Haupt and a host of nameless gargoyles. Hear them yell! Watch them sweat! Aren't you glad you're not like them?(Some of these weirdos even take UFOs seriously! Can you believe it?!) The Jersey Girls are of course too pretty, too prosperous, and too disturbingly rational, to be granted even a minor role in this ribtickler - you simply can't risk that sort of thing if you want to keep the audience laughing. (See Comedy Scriptwriting: A Beginners' Guide, published by Matt Taibbi Associates, $39.99, available from all nice booksellers.)

And the resulting Show ("9/11 Comedy Planet") is of course a surefire hit. Because times are hard, and ever harder, so there's always a sizable audience for shows that leave the average hard-pressed, time-starved urbanite feeling comfortably superior to the geeks cavorting onscreen.

QED. Right?

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Good activism-
Money's being raised to get a copy of a David Ray Griffin book to every member of Congress.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/14677

Campaign to Get '9/11 Contradictions' book to Congress

Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance would like to help get David Ray Griffin's excellent new book, 9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press, sent to Congress with the assistance of the publishers (Interlink).

So far $3000 has been raised and we hope to raise an additional $1144. If you would like to help with this effort please earmark your donations "DRG- 9/11 Contradictions." Donations can be made out directly to Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance or, if you would like a tax deduction, checks can be written to Agape Foundation- or you can donate through Agape's website. ( Mail check to Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance, PO Box 60511, Palo Alto, CA 94306)

sigh. Now bad activism-
Here comes a 9/11 campaign to intentionally promote fiction to get publicity.
Really good strategizing using a really bad medium.

A week-long effort called 'A Week of Truth' is planned to get an author on TV by pumping up the sales of a fictional book with 9/11 limited hang-out hints in it plus outright misinformation written by a guy known for his sci-fi thrillers about giant sharks, Steve Alten's 'The Shell Game.'

argh. This is so misguided. If Alten gets mainstream publicity, it is only because he's no threat to power, quite the opposite.

Here's one truther's scathing review of Alten's crap-

Regarding "The Shell Game", did anyone else notice:
1) In chapter 11 Mr. Alten significantly re-frames the 1993 WTC bombing, excising the government's involvement in the bombing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Emad Salem ask his FBI handlers to substitute a non-explosive for an explosive and was turned down? This re-framing is not minor as it turns an obvious government false-flag event into one of incompetence. When you then go to the "Fact or Fiction" notes at the back of the book you are given the distinct impression that this is all there is to the story.

2) In chapter 26 (p.189) he puts forward the blowback theory, ending the chapter by saying The United States' own foreign policy had indirectly given birth to Al-Qaeda ---the base. There was nothing at all indirect or accidental about the creation of the al-Qaeda myth, folks.

3) Finally the book ends with a limited hangout cover-up, not exposure of the deep politics which are still very much in place.

I'm not sure I'm one to critique its literary merits as it's not my genre at all and the virulent anti-Islamic tone in the book was deeply offensive to me. I found it to be a page turner because I just wanted to get to the end, be done with it and get back to my usual fare of fact-based, fully foot-noted non-fiction (9/11, deep politics and economics, primarily).

At some point in the future, if I have a lot of time on my hands, I may do a more thorough critique.

If Mr. Alten does get the media spotlight he seeks he will have to be precise with his facts and reasoning or he will get shredded. Based on the three interviews I've seen/heard, he needs to hit the books.

I know my comments will probably bring some heat, but I have very thick skin and am used to being a gad-fly (good traits for a truther, eh?).

Keep up the fight, brothers and sisters, the truth will out!

Let's make sure all 535 members of Congress and all significant members of the press get at least one copy of 9/11 Contradictions by Dr. Griffin as soon as possible. Preferably hand delivered by a local constituent with a short cover letter and contact info.
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I noticed those things also.
Yes, I read the book from cover to cover after paying for it, and in contrast to what Rep suggests, having read it, I think it is really awful. Its central aim is clearly to keep the myth of Islamofascism intact while allowing some critique of the OCT to seep in around the edges. It is badly written and poorly edited. Its promotion of "Obsession" is inexcusable, and the amount of actual Truth material in the book (versus on some website) is almost nil.

Anyone who thinks it better to promote this over DRG's 9/11 Contradictions needs his or her head examined ASAP. At the very least, the book should be bundled with a DVD of the BBC series "The Power of Nightmares" and have the link to "Obsession" excised.

[isachar]

Jeff wrote:

Is that supposed to be a serious question?

Of course. And your answer wasn't a serious answer. You simply ignored the essential point I made, and made perfectly clearly: Who casts the show? Who makes Alex Jones the star? Who has the power to send you and Paul Thompson home without an audition? Why are the strongest arguments carefully left unaddressed? Who denies the Jersey Widows even 15 minutes of fame? Who decides how "9/11 Truth" is allowed to manifest itself in the mainstream left/liberal media?

The answer to that question -- i.e. the one I actually asked, as opposed to the Homer Simpson version you conjured up in its place -- is clearly not "Alex 'Foghorn' Jones" (who is a very small fish in the vast media ocean). And call me a sheeple, but I don't actually believe that Alex Jones controls the typing hands of Taibbi, Corn, Cockburn, Rovics, Monbiot and 'Skinner', who have all done their heroic bit to make him The Face - and the Voice - of 9/11 Truth. Nor do I believe that Jones is the real boss at The Guardian, Der Spiegel, or the LA Times. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It's the Enlightened Liberals who choose the stars and broadcast their performance to millions. These titans of intellect also cast the extras, who invariably include Nico Haupt and a host of nameless gargoyles. Hear them yell! Watch them sweat! Aren't you glad you're not like them?(Some of these weirdos even take UFOs seriously! Can you believe it?!) The Jersey Girls are of course too pretty, too prosperous, and too disturbingly rational, to be granted even a minor role in this ribtickler - you simply can't risk that sort of thing if you want to keep the audience laughing. (See Comedy Scriptwriting: A Beginners' Guide, published by Matt Taibbi Associates, $39.99, available from all nice booksellers.)

And the resulting Show ("9/11 Comedy Planet") is of course a surefire hit. Because times are hard, and ever harder, so there's always a sizable audience for shows that leave the average hard-pressed, time-starved urbanite feeling comfortably superior to the geeks cavorting onscreen.

QED. Right?

MacCruiskeen, in just his second season, steps up to the plate in this crucial series with the Blue Jays. Facing him on the mound is that crafty workhorse who's been at this for soo many seasons - Nolan Ryan (okay, I know, but bear with me).

Ryan looks him over. Here's the windup and the pitch.

It's a high screwball, going straight for the head. Ryan's control is still pitch-perfect so the homeboys in the stands begin to shout their outrage, as in one voice.

Mac takes a step back, lowers the bat and makes a determined uppercut swing at the ball.

CRACK - the crowd goes wild.

He's done it. He took Ryan's head shot and knocked it out of the park to end the game in overtime.

Mac rounds the bases, pausing at home to acknowledge the roar of the crowd.

Ryan walks off the field, tail between his legs muttering something that seems vaguely like 'twoofer', and 'seedy' perhaps referencing the two runs that scored and eliminated him and his team from contention, as well as his own sad and tawdry performance.

How far the mighty have fallen.

[DrVolin]

I am going to regret this, but here goes:

Hugh, you keep coming back to the engineers and architects for 9/11 truth. You posted one of their handy dandy slides in some other thread (or maybe early in this one, I lost track). On that slide, they assert that both the lateral ejection of material and the collapse along the (theoretical) path of most resistance are evidence of CD.

I think I didn't take the same physics courses as these guys. If the theoretical path of most resistance has been cleared by explosives, then there is no reason for energy to be spent ejecting material laterally. If material is being ejected laterally (along the theoretical path of least resistance), then clearly the path of most resistance has not been cleared by explosives.

I wouldn't normally put a paradox on my opening slide, unless I was about to try to resolve it. I've never seen CD evidence presented better than on that slide. You can see why, while I think CD is likely, I don't (for the moment) concentrate on that aspect of 9/11 when I try to get people to consider that it was an inside job.

[8bitagent]

A few thoughts on what I think may have happened, and I'll be as succinct as I possibly can:

I think were on the same page about the heavy role of Saudi government, Pakistani ISI and Mossad. Check out my own post on how I think 9/11 may have been carried out:http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=17018

Otherwise, Sunny's rundown above is pretty damn close to how I see things as well. I'm very much a "big picture" kind of person, though, so it's easy for me to get lost amongst all the details (I was always horrible with the names and dates aspect of history).

Im a "big picture" kind of person, all the divergent Lombardi/Casalaro contextual onion peels of this deep state global web are pretty intruging. Check out the thread I made about how I feel 9/11 may have been carried out:
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=17018

We live in the Age of the Spectacle, right? And the morphing of Old Truth into New Truth coincided precisely with its discovery by the media, once those "unanswered questions" had grown unignorable. Funny thing, that. And these comfortable secular clerics have far louder voices (and redder faces) than the proles they delight in cackling at (who have little or no access to the media). Matt Taibbi Associates are currently working overtime to make "9/11 Truth" into a Comedy Planet populated solely by loonies and lepers. It's a place in which Cynthia McKinney, Paul Thompson, the Jersey Widows, Bryan Sacks, Peter Dale Scott, Nafeez Ahmed, Nicholas Levis, Jamey Hecht, Daniele Ganser, and indeed you, are all strikingly conspicuous by their absence.

Why do you think that is? Who created the 9/11 Comedy Planet, as it is mediated and publicly perceived? Who makes it what it is, for the average young urban professional with a short attention-span? And who do you think might have an interest in deciding which loonies and lepers get to join the cast?

LOL! I've been saying that since 2006. How did we go from Paul Thompson, Sander Hicks and Peter Scott...

to Fetzer, Reynolds, etc talking of space beams and no planes, missiles and fake hijackers?

It's almost like it's now 9/11 Fiction movement, a 3 ring circus. It almost feels like, as much as there STILL is respectable Peter Scott/Paul Thompson/Mckinney/Pepper/9-11 family conferences, that 9/11 Truth has turned into a Star Trek convention. And Ive been to a big 9/11 conference that almost felt like that

"I'll trade you a thermate card and missile card for your rookie Pull It Silverstein and TV Fakery!"

No WONDER Fox News only pimps out Fetzer, Reynolds and Barret on tv...and not people who actually know what theyre talking about. Thats why I laughed my ass off when I saw that South Park episode, it totally hit the Loose Change era of Truthdom on the head

8bit, I'm largely in agreement with you that the ability to fully understand the 911 attacks must go back at least as far as the first attempt on the WTC's in 1993, and the OKC bombing.

Both were facilitated by long-term efforts for which govt agents/informers/provocateurs provided assistance that was absolutely essential to the success of both attacks.

That idiot Taibibi's attempt to discredit all those seeking a full investigation into all aspects of the 911-related crimes by attempting to smear them with an association with the still unresolved aspects of the OKC attack involving FBI/intel agencies serves only to discredit himself.

So, this moron think sthe OKC bombing is all resolved, does he? Despite the well documented links between McVeigh, Elohim City, and FBI informers?

Guess he's never heard of Jesse Trendadue either.

You got it. Trendadue, Terrence Yeakey. Both dead because of what they knew about OKC.

I simply point out that some of the same FBI informant/handlers/Iraqi nationals/Philippine agents that staged the 1993 WTC attack were involved with OKC, with the addition of government provocatuered Elohim city neo Nazi bank robbers.

[Jeff]

Who decides how "9/11 Truth" is allowed to manifest itself in the mainstream left/liberal media?

You tell a good joke yourself.

Naturally the corporate media tends to present Truth's worst arguments from its most unfortunate spokespeople, some of whom are almost certainly COINTELPRO, but that's not because of some "left/liberal" bias. And Alex Jones has been delighted to be brought in from the margins and see himself lifted up, while earlier leaders have left in disgust or been pushed aside for not being Truthy enough.

And what's on 9/11 Comedy Planet? Demolition 24/7. Doesn't give you pause?