OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby 8bitagent » Mon May 02, 2011 8:18 am

bardobailey wrote:So, who's the new Number 2?


You mean the new number one?

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8bitagent wrote:
Is it me, or is Obama even more revolting in this speech tonight than Bush ever was?


I doubt it's just you. But it's not everybody. Me, for example.

Also:

Our bilateral relations with Pakistan must be on their last fucking legs, whether this was real or staged, don't you all think?

I mean, we drop drones on their civilians constantly, they just threw the CIA out (or so it's said) for shooting their citizens (or so it's said), and now we've kill the Big Bad Guy who's been living in a mansion that was practically on, like, ten of their military bases or something since 2005 without involving or even so much as telling them? That's a lot of U.S. aggression on foreign soil in a country that's nominally an ally.

Although we probably can't afford to pay them their aid stipend anymore, anyway. And they might not need it, ftm. They're China's Israel, we were just their sugar-daddy on the side. India could already be in a position to make us an offer we couldn't refuse, even. We don't have all that many choices in the region. A few countries have the money that's left and a few others have the oil that's left, end game, etcetera.

Just thinking aloud.

ON EDIT: We could totally pin KSM's nuke blowback scenario on them, too, if it occurs, which I pray it won't. Dr. A.Q. Khan.


"We will be ruthless in defense of our civilians", man when Obama said that it just sounded rather bad. I mean not even Bush was having TSA agents put their hands down children's pants, but not much outage is made over that.

Mumbai Massacre is when the strain started to happen. All the newspaper carried the claim that the ISI had been behind it. But the US/Pakistan thing has really unraveled this year.

If there was ever to be a nuclear attack, it'd go beyond any Islamists. It would certainly be the beginning of an entire global war, and ya can bet Iran would be ripe for the crosshairs. I also am curious when North Korea will come back into the news
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby tron » Mon May 02, 2011 8:23 am

bin ladens life in pictures from the bbc

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13256959

they seem a bit light on the real details
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby 8bitagent » Mon May 02, 2011 8:25 am

All hail the Hopemunculus, only he could save us from Grendel.

Saurian Tail wrote:Well, here we go. Full spectrum dominance. Sit back and watch. I got rid of the TV so I turned on the radio for a few minutes.

The liberal station was saying how Obama deserves full credit and were laughing at the idea of crazies demanding to see Osama's "long form death certificate". Full celebration mode.

The conservative station had some clown on talking about how this should make Obama reconsider the value of Gitmo and rendition. Full kill the infidels mode.

The sports station had a person call in and make a big deal about Osama using a woman as a human shield and went on to say how he didn't want to hear shit about collateral damage. Full "Hell Yeah!" mode.

Meanwhile, the body is already in the water. They've got all the bases covered. It's quite a show.

-ST


Geez, yeah I still am surprised there's no photos of dead OBL. Maybe they're waiting for tomorrow or later in the week. Do they really expect people to take this at face value?
And how will Obama explain that Osama has been living in a massive compound in the middle of the elite sector of the capital's suburb?

To me it's shocking, but not surprising how pom-pom cheerleading the collective left has been tonight over this, in a frenzied celebratory mood.

Liberals, Conservatives...all of America right now is coming off like the grotesque death loving hillbillies in this clip

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby Saurian Tail » Mon May 02, 2011 8:27 am

8bitagent wrote:Do they really expect people to take this at face value?


Yes.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby Stephen Morgan » Mon May 02, 2011 8:29 am

So, the photo's fake, the body's heading for the sea floor and the torture-confession nuke-pocalypse is behind schedule.

ETA: MSNBC say the photo is fake, BLN say body already buried at sea due to Muslim religious practice.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Mon May 02, 2011 8:38 am

Stephen Morgan wrote:So, the photo's fake, the body's heading for the sea floor and the torture-confession nuke-pocalypse is behind schedule.

ETA: MSNBC say the photo is fake, BLN say body already buried at sea due to Muslim religious practice.

So what about the 10000's of other Muslims we've killed during the last 10 years? I don't recall the US giving any of them burials at sea.

I bet they even made him a special pair of concrete boots for the occasion. Don't need no stinking evidence floating around.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby Canadian_watcher » Mon May 02, 2011 8:42 am

I don't know the rules of Muslim burial, and I'm not sure of the provenance of this site, but here it says:

Rules About Burial of the Dead Body

620. * It is obligatory to bury a dead body in the ground, so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out, and, if there is a danger of such beasts digging it out then the grave should be made solid with bricks, etc.

621. If it is not possible to bury a dead body in the ground, it may be kept in a vault or a coffin, instead.

622. The dead body should be laid in the grave on its right side so that the face remains towards the Qibla.

623. * If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land. Otherwise, after giving Ghusl, Hunut, Kafan and Namaz-e-Mayyit it should be lowered into the sea in a vessel of clay or with a weight tied to its feet. And as far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators.

624. If it is feared that an enemy may dig up the grave and exhume the dead body and amputate its ears or nose or other limbs, it should be lowered into sea, if possible, as stated in the foregoing rule.

625. * The expenses of lowering the dead body into the sea, or making the grave solid on the ground can be deducted from the estate of the deceased, if necessary.

626. * If a non-Muslim woman dies with a dead child, or soulless foetus in her womb, and if the father is a Muslim then the woman should be laid in the grave on her left side with her back towards Qibla, so that the face of the child is towards Qibla.

627. It is not permitted to bury a Muslim in the graveyard of the non-Muslims, nor to bury a non-Muslim in the graveyard of the Muslims.

628. It is also not permissible to bury the dead body of a Muslim at a place which is disrespectful, like places where garbage is thrown.

629. It is not permissible to bury a dead body in a usurped place nor in a place which is dedicated for purposes other than burial (e.g. in a Masjid).

630. * It is not permissible to dig up a grave for the purpose of burying another dead body in it, unless one is sure that the grave is very old and the former body has been totally disintegrated.

631. * Anything which is separated from the dead body (even its hair, nail or tooth) should be buried along with it. And if any part of the body, including hair, nails or teeth are found after the body has been buried, they should be buried at a separate place, as per obligatory precaution. And it is Mustahab that nails and teeth cut off or extracted during lifetime are also buried.

632. If a person dies in a well and it is not possible to take him out, the well should be sealed, and the well should be treated as his grave.

633. If a child dies in its mother's womb and its remaining in the womb is dangerous for the mother, it should be brought out in the easiest possible way. If it becomes inevitable to cut it into pieces there is no objection in doing so. It is, however, better that if the husband of the woman is skilled in surgery the dead body of the child should be taken out by him, and failing that, the job should be performed by a skilled woman. And if that is not available, a skilled surgeon who is the mahram (one with whom marriage cannot be contracted) of the woman should do it. And if even that is not available a skilled man who is not mahram (one with whom marriage can be contracted) should remove the dead child. And if even such a person is not available the dead body can be brought out by any unskilled person.

634. If a woman dies and there is a living child in her womb, it should be brought out in the safest possible way, even if there be no hope for the child's survival. The body of the mother should then be sewn up.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby TheDuke » Mon May 02, 2011 8:48 am

You really think the Americans just killed Osama?
I shot Ronald Reagan
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby semper occultus » Mon May 02, 2011 9:29 am

this will provide Obama with much needed cover for a cut & run from Afghanistan
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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon May 02, 2011 9:37 am

Chris Hedges Speaks on Osama bin Laden’s Death


Editor’s note: Chris Hedges made these remarks about Osama bin Laden’s death at a Truthdig fundraising event in Los Angeles on Sunday evening.

I know that because of this announcement, that reportedly Osama bin Laden was killed, Bob wanted me to say a few words about it … about al-Qaida. I spent a year of my life covering al-Qaida for The New York Times. It was the work in which I, and other investigative reporters, won the Pulitzer Prize. And I spent seven years of my life in the Middle East. I was the Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times. I’m an Arabic speaker. And when someone came over and told Jean and me the news, my stomach sank. I’m not in any way naïve about what al-Qaida is. It’s an organization that terrifies me. I know it intimately.

But I’m also intimately familiar with the collective humiliation that we have imposed on the Muslim world. The expansion of military occupation that took place throughout, in particular the Arab world, following 9/11 – and that this presence of American imperial bases, dotted, not just in Iraq and Afghanistan, but in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Doha – is one that has done more to engender hatred and acts of terror than anything ever orchestrated by Osama bin Laden.

And the killing of bin Laden, who has absolutely no operational role in al-Qaida – that’s clear – he’s kind of a spiritual mentor, a kind of guide … he functions in many of the ways that Hitler functioned for the Nazi Party. We were just talking with Warren about Kershaw’s great biography of Hitler, which I read a few months ago, where you hold up a particular ideological ideal and strive for it. That was bin Laden’s role. But all actual acts of terror, which he may have signed off on, he no way planned.

I think that one of the most interesting aspects of the whole rise of al-Qaida is that when Saddam Hussein … and I covered the first Gulf War, went into Kuwait with the 1st Battalion, 1st Marines, was in Basra during the Shiite uprising until I was captured and taken prisoner by the Iraqi Republican Guard. I like to say I was embedded with the Iraqi Republican Guard. Within that initial assault and occupation of Kuwait, bin Laden appealed to the Saudi government to come back and help organize the defense of his country. And he was turned down. And American troops came in and implanted themselves on Muslim soil.

When I was in New York, as some of you were, on 9/11, I was in Times Square when the second plane hit. I walked into The New York Times, I stuffed notebooks in my pocket and walked down the West Side Highway and was at Ground Zero four hours later. I was there when Building 7 collapsed. And I watched as a nation drank deep from that very dark elixir of American nationalism … the flip side of nationalism is always racism, it’s about self-exaltation and the denigration of the other.

And it’s about forgetting that terrorism is a tactic. You can’t make war on terror. Terrorism has been with us since Sallust wrote about it in the Jugurthine Wars. And the only way to successfully fight terrorist groups is to isolate themselves, isolate those groups, within their own societies. And I was in the immediate days after 9/11 assigned to go out to Jersey City and the places where the hijackers had lived and begin to piece together their lives. I was then very soon transferred to Paris, where I covered all of al-Qaida’s operations in the Middle East and Europe.

So I was in the Middle East in the days after 9/11. And we had garnered the empathy of not only most of the world, but the Muslim world who were appalled at what had been done in the name of their religion. And we had major religious figures like Sheikh Tantawy, the head of al-Azhar – who died recently – who after the attacks of 9/11 not only denounced them as a crime against humanity, which they were, but denounced Osama bin Laden as a fraud … someone who had no right to issue fatwas or religious edicts, no religious legitimacy, no religious training. And the tragedy was that if we had the courage to be vulnerable, if we had built on that empathy, we would be far safer and more secure today than we are.

We responded exactly as these terrorist organizations wanted us to respond. They wanted us to speak the language of violence. What were the explosions that hit the World Trade Center, huge explosions and death above a city skyline? It was straight out of Hollywood. When Robert McNamara in 1965 began the massive bombing campaign of North Vietnam, he did it because he said he wanted to “send a message” to the North Vietnamese—a message that left hundreds of thousands of civilians dead.

These groups learned to speak the language we taught them. And our response was to speak in kind. The language of violence, the language of occupation—the occupation of the Middle East, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan—has been the best recruiting tool al-Qaida has been handed. If it is correct that Osama bin Laden is dead, then it will spiral upwards with acts of suicidal vengeance. And I expect most probably on American soil. The tragedy of the Middle East is one where we proved incapable of communicating in any other language than the brute and brutal force of empire.

And empire finally, as Thucydides understood, is a disease. As Thucydides wrote, the tyranny that the Athenian empire imposed on others it finally imposed on itself. The disease of empire, according to Thucydides, would finally kill Athenian democracy. And the disease of empire, the disease of nationalism … these of course are mirrored in the anarchic violence of these groups, but one that locks us in a kind of frightening death spiral. So while I certainly fear al-Qaida, I know it’s intentions. I know how it works. I spent months of my life reconstructing every step Mohamed Atta took. While I don’t in any way minimize their danger, I despair. I despair that we as a country, as Nietzsche understood, have become a monster that we are attempting to fight.

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Re: OSMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD (renamed thread)

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon May 02, 2011 9:41 am

JackRiddler wrote:
82_28, you ask, what do I mean? You may have heard of the Metropolitans (known as the "Mets") a mostly hard-luck National League baseball team from New York. If you follow them -- and a couple of million people in NYC actually do, believe it or not -- then one of the most frequently recalled games is the one that resumed the season after the interruption of 9/11. At Shea Stadium on 9/21/01, Mike Piazza hit a homer to slay the Braves and restore the City's spirits. Or so the patriotic marketing legend has sold it.

Anyway, I'm obviously among those who is not giving this great meta-moment and latest first hour of a New World the solemnity and gravity it deserves. Or maybe just about right.

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... and those Metropolitans did indeed win, didn't they? Observe the jingoistic propaganda --

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/che ... eiGpKrVcIP


‘U-S-A’ cheers move & confuse players
Mets Blog
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Last Updated: 9:00 AM, May 2, 2011

Daniel Murphy stood in the batter’s box with one out in the ninth inning of a tie game between the Mets and Phillies, when an unusual chant started in the stands at Citizens Bank Park.

“USA! . . . USA! . . .”

Shortly after news broke that Osama bin Laden had been killed, word spread throughout the stadium and the chant was repeated occasionally over the next six innings as the game lasted until well after midnight before the Mets finally beat the Phillies, 2-1 in 14 innings.

“I had no idea what was going on,” said Murphy, who ended up striking out. “I just thought they were super-patriotic. I heard the chanting, but I didn’t know what it was about. It’s one of those things. . . . I won’t forget it.”


Manager Terry Collins said he thought the game should have been stopped so both teams could have gone on the field and clapped or another rendition of “God Bless America” could be played.

It even made fans put aside their allegiances, at least temporarily.

“The whole country is excited about Osama being dead,” said Jim Schreiber, a 30-year-old from Middletown, N.J., who was wearing an Ike Davis jersey.

Standing next to him was Mike Pond, 32, of Philadelphia, sporting a Raul Ibanez jersey.

“Normally, we would be screaming at each other and I’d be all over him about his Davis jersey,” Pond said. “But this we can agree on.”

No message was made on the public address system or on the scoreboard, but none was necessary as fans got the news on their smart phones and PDAs. Turns out, the city that once booed Santa Claus isn’t always negative.

Pedro Beato, who pitched three scoreless innings, was still in the bullpen when the chanting began.

“I just heard chanting,” said Beato, who moved to Queens from the Dominican Republic as a teenager and was a freshman at Xaverian HS in Brooklyn on 9/11 and could see some of the smoke from the World Trade Center from the Bay Ridge school. “It means mission accomplished and hopefully this war is over and bin Laden is dead. It’s about time.”
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Postby justdrew » Mon May 02, 2011 9:44 am

Canadian_watcher wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:
Nordic wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:
charlie meadows wrote:Frankly, I'm astonished that the RI community has come out in such numbers for what is a non-event, no matter what has happened.



and it's not even killling the Misogyny thread



Nothing can kill that thread. Its like the Fukishima melt-down of threads.


Who knew misogyny would trump Fukishima? The world is dying.....long live Misogyny!


*sigh*
Because it is at the root and the rest is just the fruit. if it weren't for misogyny's influence on our world we might not have had to endure Fukushima OR Osama Bin Laden. Just sayin'.
but don't worry, that's the last I'm going to say about it. :D


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not two minutes before reading that post, I had just read the same line in an excerpt in Harpers

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Postby crikkett » Mon May 02, 2011 9:46 am

norton ash wrote:In a mansion outside Islamabad. I hope none of our favourite celebrities were visiting.


...probably exactly where Christiane Amanpour said he was, during an appearance on Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect. oops- Real Time, Oct 3 2008.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby yathrib » Mon May 02, 2011 9:51 am

Robert Lindsay:

http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2011 ... -pakistan/



Osama bin Laden Killed in Pakistan

Apparently an actual photo of the dead body of Osama bin Laden

One week ago, US forces attacked a huge residence Abbottabad, Pakistan, which is north of Islamabad in Pakistani Kashmir. It is a resort town, beautiful, forested, surrounded by mountains. It is also a Pakistani military garrison town. There are a number of bases there, and bin Laden’s home was only 100 yards away from a Pakistani military academy.

The home was eight times larger than other homes in the area. It had a 36-45 foot wall in front, topped by barbed wire. The third floor had an 8 foot privacy wall. Few windows faced outside. Entrance was controlled by two stainless steel gates. A number of buildings were on the huge, multimillion dollar residence. The home had no phone lines or internet attached to it, which seemed odd for such an expensive home.

Last July, US officials became aware of the residence by tracking an Al Qaeda courier who Al Qaeda detainees had told US officials was one of the few Al Qaeda couriers that bin Laden completely trusted. They were told that bin Laden may even be living with this man. His movements were tracked. It was learned that he, along with his brother, had bought the huge mansion in Abbottabad.

Then officials began looking seriously at the estate. The security seemed to very excessive. The lack of phone and internet lines seemed strange for such a huge estate. The residents were burning their trash instead of leaving it out for pickup like everyone else did. There was another family living there, and when officials learned of their ages and gender, it seemed about who they thought would be living with bin Laden, including a son and his youngest wife.

After some time, officials finally concluded that the heavily guarded home cut off from the outside world could only be housing Osama bin Laden.

An operation was authorized by President Obama and was carried out at 2 AM one week ago. The US has been in possession of bin Laden’s body, and they identified him by DNA. He has now been given an Islamic burial at sea. Officials feared that burying him in the ground would create a shrine for militants to pay homage to.

The Taliban, for some reason, has denied that bin Laden is dead. Hamas praised bin Laden as a holy warrior and a martyr and condemned the US for killing him. The PLO praised the US for killing him and said it boded well for peace.

It’s clear to me that bin Laden was living under the protection of the Pakistani military and the ISI, the Pakistani intelligence service. He had to be, sequestered in that garrison town like that right next to a military academy. Pakistan’s been hiding him for years now, all the while taking our “catch bin Laden” money.

Crowds of White Americans crowded the White House lawn chanting, “USA! USA!” Republicans were silent. The political implications remain to be seen. It was right to kill bin Laden, but anymore I do not like any US military victories in general, especially in the War on Terror. Any US military victory anymore just makes the US public go more and more rightwing. All it does is feed the Right.

It doesn’t seem possible anymore that the Left can gain any ground out of any US military victory anywhere. This is unlike the old days, when a leftwing president, FDR, was cheered on in WW2, the liberal Kennedy was cheered for his military adventures, and the liberal LBJ was cheered for invading Vietnam.

Since all US military victories anymore just feed the Right, why should I support the US military? I don’t support them.

What about patriotism? If jumping up and down and yelling, “USA! USA!” could feed progressive change in the US, I would do it in a NY minute. But it doesn’t. Probably 100% of those characters chanting on the lawn are voting Republican. Every time you see idiots waving flags and chanting, “Go USA!” it’s always a bunch of radical rightwing Americans.

So American patriotism or jingoism anymore is just a stupid rightwing movement. There’s nothing for us here. The more people wave flags and chant, “Go USA!” the more they vote Republican. Well screw that. If that’s the way it’s going to be, then I’m simply not an American patriot.

The US military anymore is a hard rightwing institution. Your average serviceman is a rightwing fanatic. I told this to my father, and he got furious. He fought in WW2 alongside a lot of good American FDR liberals. He was outraged that the US military should become an arm of the Republican Party. My mother corrected him and said it’s been like this for 30-40 years now.

Will this operation help Obama? I’m not sure. Let’s look at the polls. I would never change my mind and support someone just because they led some successful military operation. I vote based on more important bread and butter issues. It’s hard for me to imagine how retarded you would have to be to vote for someone merely because he led some successful military operation. How did bin Laden effect my life? Now he’s dead. How is my life going to change for the better? Bin Laden had no effect on my life in any way whatsoever.

Since all military victories anymore just feed the Right and hurt the Left, I can’t see Obama mileage out of this. When it comes to foreign wars, the Democrats can’t win for losing. No matter what they do, they always get no credit for it, because the Democrats are always the party of the anti-military French surrender monkeys. The Republicans, no matter what, always get huge boosts in the polls with everything they do militarily. They can’t go wrong.

The Republicans won’t give Obama any slack over this. I’m not so stupid as to think there is anything special about Obama getting bin Laden. Did Obama run the CIA team who figured out where bin Laden was holed up? Did Obama commandeer the operation to kill him? Bush was trying just as hard as Obama to get this guy. Bush could have easily killed him, and then his popularity would have shot to 90%. Obama just lucked out.

But Republicans are all pricks. If Bush had gotten bin Laden, we would have never heard the end of it. Bush is the greatest president ever for killing bin Laden! Now that Obama did it, Republicans will just bitch and moan and won’t give him an ounce of credit. That’s the way these weenies are.

It’s nice that he’s dead, but what’s it really going to change? Is Al Qaeda dead now? I don’t think so. Zawahiri is now in charge. Al Qaeda proper (the main organization) hasn’t been doing much harm lately anyway. Their branches in Iraq and Yemen are still quite active and deadly, and this won’t do anything to them.

I assume that even Al Qaeda proper will just carry on for years to come, but as I said, they are a small organization and haven’t done much in a long time anyway.

Now can we leave Afghanistan? Apparently not.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby psynapz » Mon May 02, 2011 10:22 am

82_28 wrote:psynapz, I think drvolin was being cool.

Shit, if this was the case, I apologize Dr. V. It was late after a trying day, before another trying day I've just begun, even without all this bullshit, and I guess I was feeling punchy.

If it wasn't the case, well, I apologize anyway. What ever. :shrug: It's a crazy-making time. :jumping:
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