Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:46 am

American Dream wrote:Canadian_watcher, I was troubled by the way you sloughed off concerns about racism in the work of David Icke.

Here's the question I would pose for you:

How well would you accept the discounting of analogous concerns about misogyny embedded within the world view of someone else purporting to tell the deeper truths of what is going on in the world?


It's kind of an eye opening question, that, thank you. Any woman over the age of 30 sees this in practice every day. We have always had to make that compromise.

Lets put it this way:

Example 1: AJ has a horrible view of feminists and he vehemently opposes abortion. He has pretty much stated that men are workers and fighters and women are nurturers. He says all of this, but at the same time he does not discount female researchers or speakers. He is still learning, as am I.

Example 2: Most advances in any direction up until the mid twentieth century came from people who held the view that women were inferior and some of those people would have voted against women's suffrage, against making women persons under the law, would have supported their male colleagues who went home at night and beat their wives.
At the same time, though, those men might have also brought forward cures for diseases, crafted eloquent arguments for other types of social reform, etc. I would have cheered them for that, in spite of their sexism.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby American Dream » Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:52 am

I thought Henry Makow might be a good example- he has lots of conspiracy discourse but weds it with a reactionary and grossly sexist perspective.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:57 am

American Dream wrote:I thought Henry Makow might be a good example- he has lots of conspiracy discourse but weds it with a reactionary and grossly sexist perspective.


I haven't heard of him. Will look him up.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby Searcher08 » Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:15 am

Canadian_watcher wrote:
American Dream wrote:I thought Henry Makow might be a good example- he has lots of conspiracy discourse but weds it with a reactionary and grossly sexist perspective.


I haven't heard of him. Will look him up.


He is truly one of Jeff's favourite Canadian writers.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:31 am

It's significant to me that this, this is the conclusion Jones reached about DMT. Based on the evidence, this was the results. I felt it was an important reminder that he's more of a brand than an author, researcher, analyst, or even activist.

Aside from the fact he's gotten the mechanics completely wrong here, I'm not rejecting his claim about Global Elites and NHI. With his repeated assertion that his audience is "not ready" for the material, I have to wonder if DMT is being invoked as a deliberate obfuscation of the rather terrifying fact that NHI contact does not involve drugs at all, can be summoned or invoked through sexual magick -- arbitrary rituals that have a pronounced psychological effect -- and that NHI is perfectly happy to frighten, mislead, and torture people who did not seek contact at all. The Prison Planet audience is most definitely not ready for that, Jones is correct.

After all, his timeline is utterly wrong and his understanding of DMT's effects and popularity is equally faulty. However, if you substitute some ODO Thelema...
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:12 am

Wombaticus Rex wrote:It's significant to me that this, this is the conclusion Jones reached about DMT. Based on the evidence, this was the results. I felt it was an important reminder that he's more of a brand than an author, researcher, analyst, or even activist.

Aside from the fact he's gotten the mechanics completely wrong here, I'm not rejecting his claim about Global Elites and NHI. With his repeated assertion that his audience is "not ready" for the material, I have to wonder if DMT is being invoked as a deliberate obfuscation of the rather terrifying fact that NHI contact does not involve drugs at all, can be summoned or invoked through sexual magick -- arbitrary rituals that have a pronounced psychological effect -- and that NHI is perfectly happy to frighten, mislead, and torture people who did not seek contact at all. The Prison Planet audience is most definitely not ready for that, Jones is correct.

After all, his timeline is utterly wrong and his understanding of DMT's effects and popularity is equally faulty. However, if you substitute some ODO Thelema...


I agree with most of this.
One thing I take exception too though, is that AJs audience isn't ready for such and such info. I'm sure you're right in part, however I would be ready for any discussion of that sort and I'm one of AJ's audience.
Let's not forget that there are people in our midst here that aren't ready for that type of dicussion NOR do they accept what AJ is peddling. I'm just saying that people are complex and guilt by association to information/opinion is a hurdle to truer understanding.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby wintler2 » Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:19 am

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Canadian_watcher wrote:do you see how you're caught up in something there? open your mind.

..
But I am curious as to exactly what you are talking about. Am I "caught up" in believing in global warming?


Yes undead, you're caught up in verifiable observations and cognition, thats so straight and uncool of you, man, you need to, like, feel the love of the universe and open your mind .. just enough .. for your brains to fall out.

Then you can watch Jones and suffer no boring negative thoughts or emotions about racism, sexism, antisemitism, inciting violence, destabilising the climate, attacking womens health, gun fetishism, homophobia, and porky drama queens shouting gibberish at you.


Cos its all just a ride, right? and no real (white) people will be harmed by our idiocy, its just entertainment, its all interesting, right? whats on the other channel anyway?
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:10 pm

wintler2 wrote:
undead wrote:
Canadian_watcher wrote:do you see how you're caught up in something there? open your mind.

..
But I am curious as to exactly what you are talking about. Am I "caught up" in believing in global warming?


Yes undead, you're caught up in verifiable observations and cognition, thats so straight and uncool of you, man, you need to, like, feel the love of the universe and open your mind .. just enough .. for your brains to fall out.

Then you can watch Jones and suffer no boring negative thoughts or emotions about racism, sexism, antisemitism, inciting violence, destabilising the climate, attacking womens health, gun fetishism, homophobia, and porky drama queens shouting gibberish at you.


Cos its all just a ride, right? and no real (white) people will be harmed by our idiocy, its just entertainment, its all interesting, right? whats on the other channel anyway?
:wallhead:
And so it goes.

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I really hope that psynapz will have a conversation with me in spite of your trying to get in the middle and wedge it out of control.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:18 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:
American Dream wrote:I thought Henry Makow might be a good example- he has lots of conspiracy discourse but weds it with a reactionary and grossly sexist perspective.


I haven't heard of him. Will look him up.


okay so I spent a while perusing his site and I have to say that I see literally ZERO comparison between him and someone like Icke. There are very very few nuggets of wisdom in his writing and his whole schtick is only to bash gays and jews and feminism. I mean.. that's what he is ABOUT, so obviously I wouldn't waste my time with him.

But really and truly I don't even care what anyone else thinks about Icke and Makow and AJ as long as they are searching for truth and beauty and justice and their intentions are good. People are able to use their discernment.

For all intents and purposes your argument about this is the same one used by gay-bashers, racists and misogynists:

They say: "We mustn't let there be openly gay people for it might influence others to become gay!!" "We mustn't abide women expressing their sexuality because it leads to more and more debauchery!" "We shouldn't fight for the rights of minorities and people of colour because that will give vulnerable white kids the idea that white people are inferior!"

You are pretty much saying the same thing: "We shouldn't listen to anyone who has ever been associated with racist views because that will make other people racist!"

it's all the same ball of sticky glue.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby norton ash » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:27 pm

But really and truly I don't even care what anyone else thinks about Icke and Makow and AJ as long as they are searching for truth and beauty and justice and their intentions are good.


Um, that's the gist of the whole discussion. That their intentions are highly questionable, that they're all racists in varying degrees, and that they could be dangerous.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:33 pm

norton ash wrote:
But really and truly I don't even care what anyone else thinks about Icke and Makow and AJ as long as they are searching for truth and beauty and justice and their intentions are good.


Um, that's the gist of the whole discussion. That their intentions are highly questionable, that they're all racists in varying degrees, and that they could be dangerous.


Makow is CLEARLY a racist and a sexist. I mean if you only google 'quotes' by any of those three personalities you'll immediately see the difference. After that, if you pick a dozen articles or videos at random for any of the three you'll ALSO see the difference. It's completely night and day.

Makow's solution would be to immediately return to a pre-feminist era where gays stay in the closet (or are put into institutions) and Jewish people were removed from Israel and punished for being Jewish.

Icke's solution would be for each man and woman to be true to their own guiding inner light and rise up and resist tyranny in all of its myriad forms - from simply not putting out your trash in the manner described by the State all the way to leaving any work situation that does not comport with your deep understanding of right and wrong.

AJ's solution is more basic, and FWIW I think would only be a stop gap type of measure: he wants to return the US to a time before the Federal Reserve, enhance States rights, and repeal all laws that are contrary to the Constitution.

There's a huge EmEffing difference between those three Ps of V.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby American Dream » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:34 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:
okay so I spent a while perusing his site and I have to say that I see literally ZERO comparison between him and someone like Icke. There are very very few nuggets of wisdom in his writing and his whole schtick is only to bash gays and jews and feminism. I mean.. that's what he is ABOUT, so obviously I wouldn't waste my time with him.

But really and truly I don't even care what anyone else thinks about Icke and Makow and AJ as long as they are searching for truth and beauty and justice and their intentions are good. People are able to use their discernment.

For all intents and purposes your argument about this is the same one used by gay-bashers, racists and misogynists:

They say: "We mustn't let there be openly gay people for it might influence others to become gay!!" "We mustn't abide women expressing their sexuality because it leads to more and more debauchery!" "We shouldn't fight for the rights of minorities and people of colour because that will give vulnerable white kids the idea that white people are inferior!"

You are pretty much saying the same thing: "We shouldn't listen to anyone who has ever been associated with racist views because that will make other people racist!"

it's all the same ball of sticky glue.
Makow is CLEARLY a racist and a sexist. I mean if you only google 'quotes' by any of those three personalities you'll immediately see the difference. After that, if you pick a dozen articles or videos at random for any of the three you'll ALSO see the difference. It's completely night and day.

Makow's solution would be to immediately return to a pre-feminist era where gays stay in the closet (or are put into institutions) and Jewish people were removed from Israel and punished for being Jewish.

Icke's solution would be for each man and woman to be true to their own guiding inner light and rise up and resist tyranny in all of its myriad forms - from simply not putting out your trash in the manner described by the State all the way to leaving any work situation that does not comport with your deep understanding of right and wrong.

AJ's solution is more basic, and FWIW I think would only be a stop gap type of measure: he wants to return the US to a time before the Federal Reserve, enhance States rights, and repeal all laws that are contrary to the Constitution.

There's a huge EmEffing difference between those three Ps of V.


You are missing the point entirely. I raised the issue of how you were willing to slough off concerns about racism and wondered whether you would give such a free pass to woman-hating material.

Are you avoiding the point on purpose?
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:41 pm

American Dream wrote:You are missing the point entirely. I pointed out how you were willing to slough off concerns about racism and wondered whether you would give such a free pass to woman-hating material.

Are you avoiding the point on purpose?


That's funny, I was thinking the same thing.

EDIT: first and foremost though, I can tell you that I have not once heard ICKE make a racist statement, and only very vaguely have I heard this from Jones.

You didn't make answer to my post about the missionaries. You haven't made and answer to my post about the fact that MOST if not ALL social reforms sprang from men who likely didn't believe that women were their equals and so, as women, we had to learn to accept that people are not perfect.

Had women actively fought against ALL men who were connected to sexism/misogyny throughout history we wouldn't have had any powerful allies.

Am I making myself clear? I feel I am not.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby barracuda » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:48 pm

Canadian_Watcher wrote:Had women actively fought against ALL men who were connected to sexism/misogyny throughout history we wouldn't have had any powerful allies.


Supporting your oppressor = Stockholm Syndrome. Not a recipe for a meaningful existence. Consider the social and scientific advancements which were sidelined or repressed by the actions of the men who refused women the opportunity to excel. In a similar manner, adherents of Icke and Jones can easily fall under the sway of the reprehensible aspects of their respective perspectives without even realising it exists. Before you know it, you've become a skinhead with hair.

Bottom line: there are reputable sources available for any and all of the truely valuable information in the work of these two.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby American Dream » Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:01 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:
American Dream wrote:
You are missing the point entirely. I pointed out how you were willing to slough off concerns about racism and wondered whether you would give such a free pass to woman-hating material.

Are you avoiding the point on purpose?


That's funny, I was thinking the same thing.

EDIT: first and foremost though, I can tell you that I have not once heard ICKE make a racist statement, and only very vaguely have I heard this from Jones.

You didn't make answer to my post about the missionaries. You haven't made and answer to my post about the fact that MOST if not ALL social reforms sprang from men who likely didn't believe that women were their equals and so, as women, we had to learn to accept that people are not perfect.

Had women actively fought against ALL men who were connected to sexism/misogyny throughout history we wouldn't have had any powerful allies.

Am I making myself clear? I feel I am not.


Canadian_watcher, the contradictions in your position towards racism and anti-Semitism vs. your position regarding misogyny speak volumes.

Of course I did understand your analogy to the missionaries who brought good things as well as horrible things.

Did you get my analogy to the Nazi leaders who- like Icke- did indeed have a metaphysical view of the world and did see a good vs. evil struggle against a dark cabal?
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