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Postby guruilla » Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:54 pm

This also dovetails with what I was uncovering at the Occult Yorkshire thread but didnt want to come out and say


That was FAST: Yesterday it was gay marriage; Now look who wants “equal rights”
Written by Ashley Edwardson on June 27, 2015


I am not adding much commentary to this, because I really think little is necessary. I am busy trying to find a hand hold on our slippery slope, because I fear my nation is falling into an abyss.

Excerpted from the Northern Colorado Gazette:

Using the same tactics used by “gay” rights activists, pedophiles have begun to seek similar status arguing their desire for children is a sexual orientation no different than heterosexual or homosexuals.

Critics of the homosexual lifestyle have long claimed that once it became acceptable to identify homosexuality as simply an “alternative lifestyle” or sexual orientation, logically nothing would be off limits.

“Gay” advocates have taken offense at such a position insisting this would never happen. However, psychiatrists are now beginning to advocate redefining pedophilia in the same way homosexuality was redefined several years ago.

In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality from its list of mental disorders. A group of psychiatrists with B4U-Act recently held a symposium proposing a new definition of pedophilia in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders of the APA.

B4U-Act calls pedophiles “minor-attracted people.” The organization’s website states its purpose is to, “help mental health professionals learn more about attraction to minors and to consider the effects of stereotyping, stigma and fear.”

In 1998 The APA issued a report claiming “that the ‘negative potential’ of adult sex with children was ‘overstated’ and that ‘the vast majority of both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from childhood sexual abuse experiences.”

Pedophilia has already been granted protected status by the Federal Government. The Matthew Shephard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act lists “sexual orientation” as a protected class; however, it does not define the term.

Republicans attempted to add an amendment specifying that “pedophilia is not covered as an orientation;” however, the amendment was defeated by Democrats. Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fl) stated that all alternative sexual lifestyles should be protected under the law. “This bill addresses our resolve to end violence based on prejudice and to guarantee that all Americans, regardless of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability or all of these ‘philias’ and fetishes and ‘isms’ that were put forward need not live in fear because of who they are. I urge my colleagues to vote in favor of this rule.”

The White House praised the bill saying, “At root, this isn’t just about our laws; this is about who we are as a people. This is about whether we value one another – whether we embrace our differences rather than allowing them to become a source of animus.”

Earlier this year two psychologists in Canada declared that pedophilia is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality or heterosexuality.

Van Gijseghem, psychologist and retired professor of the University of Montreal, told members of Parliament, “Pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offense from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality.”

He went on to say, “True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot change this person’s sexual orientation. He may, however, remain abstinent.”

When asked if he should be comparing pedophiles to homosexuals, Van Gijseghem replied, “If, for instance, you were living in a society where heterosexuality is proscribed or prohibited and you were told that you had to get therapy to change your sexual orientation, you would probably say that that is slightly crazy. In other words, you would not accept that at all. I use this analogy to say that, yes indeed, pedophiles do not change their sexual orientation.”

Dr. Quinsey, professor emeritus of psychology at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, agreed with Van Gijseghem. Quinsey said pedophiles’ sexual interests prefer children and, “There is no evidence that this sort of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.”

In July, 2010 Harvard health Publications said, “Pedophilia is a sexual orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone to resist acting on his sexual urges.”
Linda Harvey, of Mission America, said the push for pedophiles to have equal rights will become more and more common as LGBT groups continue to assert themselves. “It’s all part of a plan to introduce sex to children at younger and younger ages; to convince them that normal friendship is actually a sexual attraction.”

Milton Diamond, a University of Hawaii professor and director of the Pacific Center for Sex and Society, stated that child pornography could be beneficial to society because, “Potential sex offenders use child pornography as a substitute for sex against children.”

Diamond is a distinguished lecturer for the Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality in San Francisco. The IASHS openly advocated for the repeal of the Revolutionary war ban on homosexuals serving in the military.

The IASHS lists, on its website, a list of “basic sexual rights” that includes “the right to engage in sexual acts or activities of any kind whatsoever, providing they do not involve nonconsensual acts, violence, constraint, coercion or fraud.” Another right is to, “be free of persecution, condemnation, discrimination, or societal intervention in private sexual behavior” and “the freedom of any sexual thought, fantasy or desire.” The organization also says that no one should be “disadvantaged because of age.”

Sex offender laws protecting children have been challenged in several states including California, Georgia and Iowa. Sex offenders claim the laws prohibiting them from living near schools or parks are unfair because it penalizes them for life.

Now here’s the scary part: This article from the Greeley Gazette was originally published in 2011. But now, there’s actually a constitutional argument that can be made in its favor. As we said yesterday, the ruling on same sex marriage has many unintended consequences.

http://allenbwest.com/2015/06/that-was- ... al-rights/
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:55 am

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -ring.html

A former deputy director of MI6 is 'key' to allegations surrounding a VIP paedophile ring in Westminster, a minister has claimed.
Labour MP John Mann said the late George Kennedy Young, known as GK Young, was involved in 'dubious' political activity, including establishing a 'private army'.

He added Mr Young, who later became involved in right wing politics, was a 'manipulator' who controlled groups of people within which there were paedophile rings in the 1970s or 1980s.
Mr Mann, MP for Bassetlaw, claimed he had been handed a copy of the dossier of evidence that was given by Conservative MP Geoffrey Dickens to then Home Secretary Leon Brittan in 1984.

The so-called 'Dickens dossier' named several prominent paedophiles. An independent review into the Home Office's handling of child abuse allegations failed to locate a copy of the documents.

It reported last year that there was no evidence to support claims of an official cover-up, but warned it was impossible to draw firm conclusions because of shortcomings in the paper records.

Mr Mann called for the Wanless review to be reopened to find out what happened to the files, which he claims should have prompted investigation.
In a Westminster Hall debate, Mr Mann said Mr Young, who died in 1990, had been named in the first line of the document.

He said: 'This is an original, I have spoken and met and got a copy from the person who personally handed it to Geoffrey Dickens who then personally gave it to Leon Brittan.
'And what it says is, first line - GK Young heads up a Powellite faction known as Tory Action. GK Young, George Kennedy Young, was deputy director of MI6 in the past, long dead.

'The allegations are that he manipulated a group of people and that within that there were paedophile rings. And it goes into detail - who it's alleged were involved and where.
'I won't give all the locations because some would be I think sensitive and would potentially identify people - but London is one, Greater Manchester is another, North Yorkshire is a third one.'

Mr Mann said GK Young may be key in finding out what happened to the dossier.
He said: 'I think it's worth saying another thing about George Kennedy Young, because George Kennedy Young was involved in many dubious activities.
'He formed something called Unison, which was some kind of private army he tried to get going.

'I've seen a range of background documents that would be of interest to anyone campaigning on the Shrewsbury pickets and on infiltration of the miner's strike with names that would correlate with that.
'There is a lot of allegations about him attempting to undermine both the Heath government and the Wilson government. He was clearly a manipulator. He's rather key to what was going on.
'I don't know why he's so prominent, I don't know why the Society for Individual Freedom he set up is named either in this, but he is a significant figure.
'And it may give some reason as to why things then disappeared.'
Mr Mann has passed the file to the Metropolitan Police to assist officers with their investigations into historical sex abuse allegations.
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Postby cptmarginal » Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:30 pm

I don't know why he's so prominent, I don't know why the Society for Individual Freedom he set up is named either in this, but he is a significant figure.


I'm having a field day researching the "Society for Individual Freedom" and George Kennedy Young. Other key names I've come across so far, involved in setting up and running that organization: Ross McWhirter, Lord Monson, Sir Ernest Benn, and Peter Campbell.

From earlier in the thread:

1975 - CGHE (Conservative Group for Homosexual Equality) is founded, by Professor Peter Campbell, of Reading University, and is chairman, or vice-president, through almost all the Thatcher years.

The group is affiliated to the Tory Party. Campbell also edits the newsletter. Peter Campbell is named as a visitor to the Elm Guest House. The minutes from the founding meeting clearly show that, despite being labelled as an organisation that promotes gay equality, it is in fact, from inception, a 'pro - paedophile organisation'.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituar ... pbell.html

His politics were libertarian, and he was an active member and sometime chairman of the Society for Individual Freedom. In 1985, for example, he criticised the government for talking grandly about liberty while supporting a plethora of new paternalistic laws, including 291 new offences for which people could be fined or jailed. "Conservatives have recently celebrated Sir Robert Peel's Tamworth Manifesto of 1834," he recalled. "They might remember that Peel drastically pruned the criminal law when he was Home Secretary in the 1820s. He set a splendid example to today's ministers in all departments."

There was a close connection between his libertarian principles and his campaign for homosexual rights. He was, as TE Utley observed, "obsessed with the danger of vulgar mob rule under which eccentrics and those experimenting in new forms of cultural life are oppressed, hounded and spat upon".


Wikipedia, on the SIF:

They are a member of Backlash, which was formed in 2005 in order to oppose a new law criminalising possession of "extreme pornography".
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Postby cptmarginal » Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:49 pm

Anyone have some insight into the complex story of G.K. Young, Column 88, Searchlight Magazine, and Larry O'Hara?

http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/people/Gable/PaulCox1996.html

http://www.searchlight.org.uk/o-hara/column88.html

Within months 'Searchlight' had its first major story exposing Column 88, an alleged neo-Nazi terror group, intent on having its' members "in places of influence across the whole spectrum of the Right, from the Monday Club to the National Front" ('Searchlight' May 1975, p5). In April 1976 C88 hit the national headlines with the exposure of joint military exercises with the Territorial Army, the source of the stories was one Dave Roberts, a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain and Searchlight agent. The following month 'Searchlight' boasted of "the many stories that have resulted from Searchlight's research into the extreme right Column 88", further adding that "C88 is a private army. It is illegal. There is no legitimate reason why it should be allowed to continue", ('Searchlight' May 1976, p3-4). O'Hara rightly states that this follows an "established pattern: stories are sold to the media and then recycled/embroidered in the next months magazine", Searchlight for Beginners 1996, p3).

In 1991 'Searchlight' still referred to C88 as "the nazi underground paramilitary and intelligence cell" (p3). This same issue spoke of the role of the SAS and MI6 as "a training arm for guerilla warfare and sabotage" for the British Section of the GLADIO network, the secret NATO anti-Communist organisation, ('Searchlight' No 187 January 1991, p3/p6). By 1995 however C88 were a "honey trap operation set up by British intelligence", and furthermore were involved in GLADIO, ('Searchlight' No 238 April 1995, p2), and "should not be counted as a genuine far-right or racist group", ('Community Handbook', Sect 2.2-2). A serious about-turn, taken years after it could have any political significance, C88 no longer existed, and Kennedy-Young was long dead.

O'Hara has long opposed the Searchlight doctrine concerning both the Monday Club and Column 88. O'Hara argues that the Monday Club pamphlet represented an "exaggeration of the political clout of George Kennedy-Young", more so given that he later failed in his attempt to take over the Monday Club in September 1973. With regards to C88 he had already argued that as far as both the National Front and the National Party were concerned, the private armies of both C88 and GB75 were seen as reactionary, supportive of the status quo and "paving the way for communism", ('Lobster' No 23 June 1992, p15). Furthermore "without Searchlight's lurid 1975 coverage and subsequent follow up in April and May 1976, there would not have been any national C88 story", Searchlight for Beginners 1996, p3-4).

O'Haras conjecture makes sense and his alternative explanation appears fastidious, "As we now know, the key murky secret state activity of the mid-1970's was MI5's efforts to use the situation in Northern Ireland to their own advantage. . . MI5 did not make the slightest appearance in either of the Searchlight hyped stories, which is a chilling omission. . . Searchlight can thus, in the politically volatile 1970's, be seen as a 'distractor' diverting potentially prying eyes away from what is really going on", Searchlight for Beginners 1996, p4).


The Gladio File: did fear of communism throw West into the arms of terrorists? - 5 December 1990

The Guardian has learned of a secret attempt to revive elements of a parallel post-war plan relating to overseas operations. In the early days of Mrs Thatcher's Conservative leadership, a group of former intelligence officers, inspired by the wartime Special Operations Executive, attempted to set up a secret unit as a kind of armed MI6 cell.

Those behind the scheme included Airey Neave, Mrs Thatcher's close adviser who was killed in a terrorist attack in 1979, and George Kennedy Young, a former deputy chief of the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6.

Mrs Thatcher is said to have been initially enthusiastic but dropped the idea after the scandal surrounding the attack by the French secret service on the Greenpeace ship, Rainbow Warrior, in New Zealand in 1985.

British co-operation with the Gladio network since the 1950s appears to have concentrated on offering training expertise for continental cells. Werner Carobbio, a member of the Swiss parliamentary inquiry, referred the Guardian to Swiss press reports that P26 personnel had received training in Britain.

General Gerardo Serravalle, a retired officer, told the Italian parliamentary inquiry that a Gladio unit trained in Britain in the early 1970s. General Fausto Fortunato, head of the Italian Gladio cell until 1964, referred to a "crucial" meeting of the network held in Britain, followed by others in France, Belgium and Luxembourg in the early 1960s.


Hmmm...

In any case, the reference to Young's "private army" in that new Daily Mail article could actually be construed to refer to more than one phase of his career:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 87129.html

Young spelt it out absolutely clearly in his book Subversion and the British Riposte (1984), where he drew up his plans for an MI5-led coup: "A security counter-action need cover no more than 5,000 persons, including some 40 MPs, not all of them Labour; several hundred journalists and media employees, plus their supporting academics and clerics; the full-time members and main activists of the Communist Party and the Socialist Workers Party; and the directing elements of the 30 or 40 bodies affecting concern and compassion for youth, age, civil liberties, social research and minority grievances." The local internment could be accommodated in a lesser "Gaelic Archipelago" off the West Highlands.


Also, his wife: Frail eccentric who wields a poisonous pen: Geryke Young sends racist pamphlets couched in scientific jargon to Jewish Nobel prize winners, academics and musicians.
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Postby semper occultus » Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:15 pm

....this is an excellent take on alot of it....esp if you have scribd access although it is still published by AK Press - not too expensive iirc ...

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http://www.scribd.com/doc/263874031/The-Bigger-Tory-Vote-FAR-RIGHT-UK#scribd

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as you will doubtless appreciate the Monday Club existed on the right-wing of the Tory Party to provide a venue for interaction & over-lap with activists in more extreme right groups amongst other nefarioius organisations & ofcourse included amongst its number Harvey Procter who spectacually went public in an attempt to detonate a bomb under "Nick" and the whole Exaro VIP-Paedo campaign....

The Monday Club milieu involvement with the South African regime leads us to this from the book on the anti-Harold Wilson plots of the mid-70’s :

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also covered here :

BOSS , Blackmail, And The Paedophile MP

Another relevant connection is the “flamboyant” figure of Derek Laud….who has the dubious honour of being the first ( & I presume only ) black member of the Monday Club….who was a leading name in the Scallywag Magazine anti-paedo campaign bitd….

Over the past twenty years, Laud owned several companies.
One of these was Ludgate Communications, a shady lobbying company, which may have been a front for much more sordid activities.

He worked closely with Ian Greer, who also ran a company with Westminster councillor, Simon Milton.

Laud, Greer and Milton are all named in the Scallywag article as being involved with a boy-brothel operating at the Dolphin Square complex in Pimlico.

The weird world of Derek Laud - BY THECOLEMANEXPERIENCE NOVEMBER 4, 2014


Big Brothers' Derek Laud. Does he have a shady past ?
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Postby semper occultus » Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:22 pm

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.....with an extract from what looks a superbly researched resource....

Sir Harold Haywood, Savile, NAYC & PHAB

Sir Harold Haywood’s involvement with NAYC is listed as having ended in 1974 although its not yet clear as to why, and in February 1975 it was announced he and 3 other new trustees were joining the Albany Trust. Before joining the Albany Trust he had already become Director of the Education Interchange Council involved in facilitating foreign exchanges for educational purposes.

Six months after joining as a trustee, in September 1975 Haywood will take on the Chair of Trustees role at Albany Trust, meet with a number of Paedophile Information Exchange committee members including Peter Righton and lead the way in writing to the Guardian to ask of child prostitution rife at Playland’s Piccadilly Circus and Charles Hornby’s involvement, ‘Who was exploiting whom?’ It is during Haywood’s 30 months with the Albany Trust that they team up with the Paedophile Information Exchange to co-draft a Q&A booklet on Understanding Paedophilia which asserts child abusers are a social benefit without whom voluntary services and youth welfare work would be practically impossible – essentially pedophiles as a ‘free’ source of labour for social services – but at what price?

See further: Albany Trust, Sir Harold Haywood and the Paedophile Information Exchange drafting team – Paedophilia: Some Questions & Answers – Who was ‘John’? and Harold Haywood, Lucilla Butler and Charles Napier of PIE – Nucleus and Albany Trust at Earl’s Court

However, Haywood as Chair of the Trustees was not Antony Grey’s first choice. In autumn 1974, just as PIE was setting up, Grey was casting around for a high profile Chair to further the Trust’s ‘respectable’ image.

He chose to ask Sir Peter Morrison’s sister-in-law – Sara Morrison – wife of Devizes MP Sir Charles Morrison, who was still in position as Vice-Chair of the Conservative party and Sir Peter was preparing to back Thatcher in February’s Tory Leadership election. Sir Peter had only joined the House of Commons in February 1974.

Although she declined, her introduction to Sir Keith Joseph proved useful to Grey who at the time was Savile’s MP (Leeds NE). For more on the history of Anthony Blunt’s Gothic-pederastic cult formed around William Beckford at the Lord Margadale estate of Fonthill (Lord Margadale was Sir Peter and Sir Charles Morrison’s father) read further: PIE Raids, William Blake and Lord Margadale’s estate at Fonthill, Wiltshire
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Postby cptmarginal » Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:09 pm

Thank you for both of those book extracts, that is exactly the type of information I was looking for. The Pencourt File has been on my reading list for a couple of years now.

The McWhirter brothers sure seem odd to me. I was not familiar with them at all until reading about the SIF yesterday. The weird details of their personal lives and political activities could surely fill a whole thread of their own.

Both brothers were regulars on the BBC show Record Breakers. They were noted for their photographic memory, enabling them to provide detailed answers to any questions from the audience about entries in the Guinness Book of Records.[4]

After Ross's death, Norris continued to appear on the show, eventually making him one of the most recognisable people on children's television in the 1970s and 1980s. McWhirter was made a CBE in 1980.


This book recounts a story of Jimmy Savile fixing it for Norris McWhirter...
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Postby zangtang » Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:38 pm

the one thing as schoolboys we knew about that Mcwhirter - the guiness book of records one - was that his brother was in MI5....or was it MI6....
or anyway....secret - or was it him, & his brother died mysteriously.....never could remember, but we thought we knew something special.......
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Postby semper occultus » Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:06 pm

cptmarginal » 07 Nov 2015 00:09 wrote:Thank you for both of those book extracts, that is exactly the type of information I was looking for. The Pencourt File has been on my reading list for a couple of years now.


....I'd probably go straight for this one by the editors of the original Lobster magazine...which incorporates most of their research & that of others over the years......

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...I also spotted this recently though not got it yet :

The Conservative Party and the extreme right 1945-75

....the reminder about the McWhirter's connections does re-iterate this recurring ( often children's ) television thing which is profoundly bizarre when you start unraveling it...the more you think about it the weirder it gets......

...the extremely odd character Maxwell Knight of MI5 who re-invented himself as "Uncle Max" a naturalist for BBC radio & later tv...( http://aeon.co/magazine/society/helen-m ... koo-spies/ )

He rose to be head of section B5(b) responsible for infiltrating agents into potentially subversive groups, based for much of its existence at 308 Hood House, Dolphin Square, London, separate from the rest of MI5

..one of his agents was Tom Driberg with whom he shared occult & homosexual interests :

From: 'One Girl's War, personal exploits in MI5's most secret section' by Joan Miller - 1986

http://pierrejoubert.blogspot.co.uk/200 ... abuse.html

"His first wife Gladys, I learnt, died in the Overseas Club after some sort of occult misadventure in which the notorious Aleister Crowley was involved - certainly I'd never been willing to enquire too deeply into that incident. Black magic was not a subject that held any attraction for me. I accepted M's interest in it, hoping it was purely academic, but, for myself, I preferred to leave it well and truly alone: M understood this. When I tore up a photograph of Aleister Crowley which he had kept, as I believed it to be unlucky, he only laughed."



Patrick Moore - another highly eccentric character - presenter of a long running BBC astronomy programme

Moore was known for his conservative political views. In the 1970s, he was chairman of the anti-immigration United Country Party, a position he held until the party was absorbed by the New Britain Party in 1980.

Michael Bentine - zany comedian best known as part of the Goon Show in the 1950's with Peter Sellers & Spike Milligan - later became a children's tv presenter

Serving in WWII : he was transferred to RAF Intelligence and seconded to MI9, a unit that was dedicated to supporting resistance movements and helping prisoners escape. His immediate superior was the Colditz escapee Airey Neave.

Bentine was a crack pistol shot and helped to start the idea of a counter-terrorist wing within 22 SAS Regiment. In doing so, he became the first non-SAS person ever to fire a gun inside the close-quarters battle training house at Hereford.

His interests included parapsychology. This was as a result of his and his family's extensive research into the paranormal, which resulted in his writing The Door Marked Summer and The Doors of the Mind. He was, for the final years of his life, president of the Association for the Scientific Study of Anomalous Phenomena.


.....and that's before you even start on Savile obvs...and other characters like Jonathan King - who was not actually a paid presenter afaik but was always on kid's tv and again like Savile one of those people that everyone seemed to think was a totally objectionable berk...
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Postby semper occultus » Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:20 pm

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sottradion ... bin-ramsay

Behind the Headlines: British State Secrets – Interview with Robin Ramsay

This week on ‘Behind the Headlines’, we’re speaking with Scottish author and editor, Robin Ramsay. Ramsay has been editor and publisher of the Lobster magazine since it was founded in 1983. He has also written a number of books, including Smear! Wilson and the Secret State, Prawn Cocktail Party: The Hidden Power of New Labour, and Who Shot JFK?. For ten years, he also wrote a column in the Fortean Times on conspiracy theories.

Lobster’s contributors include academics and journalists, and is today published twice annually. The magazine focusses primarily on parapolitics – the influence of intelligence and security services on politics and world trade – and combines the examination of conspiracy theories and contemporary history.


...wow never heard him interviewed - have to see if he covers the VIP paedo angle...
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Postby guruilla » Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:23 pm

This chap of interest also, from same site, different page:
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https://bitsofbooksblog.wordpress.com/2 ... rom-bbcr3/

Weird sync with Ramsay; I just asked Stephen Dorrill (Lobster cofounder) onto the podcast.
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Postby semper occultus » Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:09 pm

.......actually this whole sex-education / research angle has just reminded me about Sverre Helgesen who I came across googling up Dr Stephen Ward of Profumo Scandal fame - with whom Mr Helgesen claims to have enjoyed a remarkable series of interactions as a teenager......

...its a very weird and tangled skein of material and maybe a total red-herring....

http://nona-people.blogspot.co.uk/2011/ ... gesen.html

"It actually started out helping Harley Street professors research sexual development and what sex was...

"I now understand it wasn't all research, somebody was making money out of this!

"Namely Harrison Marks, Sullivan, and the doctor seconded to do the research (so the others weren't obviously involved, they could be jailed not to mention struck off) Dr. Stephen Ward. He was expendable...

"Miller, Asher (Jane's dad), Cilento (Diane's dad) Archie Macindoe (a silent partner, he agreed with the principle but daren't be associated, or struck-off, his burn-patients always came first)...

"We also were associated with forward-thinking people who formed a women and child-abuse support-group: Mary Whitehouse, Lady Astor, Mary Bell-Mills (actor John's wife) Claire Raynor (M.B-M's cousin) Honda roadracer Jim Redman's wife, Marlene, Lady Jacqueline Rufus Isaacs of Reading (lady-in-waiting to Anne) and, it later turned out, several of my teachers at school...
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Postby tapitsbo » Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:21 pm

I thought it was interesting that sexologist John Money was raised in the same repressive Christian Brothers sect as Aleister Crowley, iirc

wasn't there some allegation about a link between method acting/mind control/Tavistock/psychoanalysis?
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Postby guruilla » Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:09 pm

tapitsbo » Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:21 pm wrote:I thought it was interesting that sexologist John Money was raised in the same repressive Christian Brothers sect as Aleister Crowley, iirc

wasn't there some allegation about a link between method acting/mind control/Tavistock/psychoanalysis?
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Book Three: The Manson Secret (Peter Levenda)
The Stanislavski Method as mind control and initiation. Filmmaker Kenneth Anger and Aleister Crowley, Marianne Faithfull, Anita Pallenberg, and the Rolling Stones. Filmmaker Donald Cammell (Performance) and his father, CJ Cammell (the first biographer of Aleister Crowley), and his suicide. Jane Fonda and Bluebird. The assassination of Marilyn Monroe. Fidel Castro’s Hollywood career. Jim Morrison and witchcraft. David Lynch and spiritual transformation. The technology of sociopaths. How to create an assassin. The CIA, MK-ULTRA and programmed killers.

Will have to look at this book again. Though as I remember, Levenda's coverage is disappointingly lite, almost evasive.
It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby zangtang » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:40 am

just to vouch for Robin Ramsey - I used to get Lobster back when the best bookshop in the country was athing called 'Compendium' up in Camden town (alas, long since gone).
haven't read a new one for what must be more than a decade now, but he is (was) extremely rigorous,

saw him speak once, at the only fortean times convention i've managed to get to. He is very strong on MI5 & 6, and their buggering with the Left.

Disappointed in his JFK stuff/conclusion - think he is waay too LBJ-centric......but thats not his main territiry.
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