Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:58 pm

Nordic » Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:26 pm wrote:The Jordanians have always tried to play along with all sides. With a few blips here and there.

Seriously, they're happy to play along with Washington most of the time. As long as they can work out the terms.


All of these "snuff" films are aimed toward luring in one country or another. Remember the screaming Fox wonks over Obama's reluctance to enter the fray until the James Foley video...and then the British hostage to lure in the UK and then the Jordanians. It's as if ISIS is being used(unless they are solely the ones calling the shots) not to truly create some bloodthirsty caliphate but like a horror movie to lure all these random teens to a house or location.
If you combine Syria and Iraq, that's one big 'theater' as they call it.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:04 pm

Btw what happened to bizarro Richard Engle, that John Can't Lie?

cptmarginal » Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:55 pm wrote:
8bitagent » Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:42 pm wrote:Reading about that young American Kayla Mueller, man. The world needs more people like that or the late Rachel Corey. Staggering to read the amount of work Mueller did all over the globe.
ISIS is claiming she died from a Jordanian bombing, no evidence she was there.

Though in whatever sort of bizarre theater is going on, maybe it's best if she died in an aerial bombing given these horror show snuff videos seem to be getting more heinous.


Yeah

Kenji Goto was pretty remarkable, too:

http://www.japansubculture.com/restinpeacekenjigoto/


Damn, seemed like one of the good reporters.

Obviously ISIS is pure red meat for the Fox/right wing types...as if ISIS is some unholy dreamed up creation to show the world this frankensteinish Islamist hydra they say is coming.
The irony is that Goto is not someone the right wing could tout, nor Mueller for her work with Palestinian victims. Nor are people like Manning whom Im sure both supported.

Somehow I almost wonder if Israel is more safe from this ISIS situation than even Saudi Arabia
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Feb 07, 2015 1:58 am

Sounder » Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:47 am wrote:
My gut tells me these snuff films made by the Islamic State are gruesomely real like the Nick Berg 2004 video.


You are trying to do NLP on us.

If these vids were ISIS 'propaganda', then wouldn't ISIS be releasing them? Why does SITE release them?

Hmmm, maybe because they are SITE produced propaganda from the get go, and any killing that was faked or actually happened was done by SITE affiliated people.

(And/or ISIS is a SITE affiliated group.)


Sounder: no Neuro-linguistic programming intentionally here. Everything about "ISIS" points to something beyond insidious "blowback". The most horrific single action horror show + just the esoteric name ISIS(Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham) is very....odd. And man I want to believe it's a hoax and these people are alive. Even the worst people in the world, like the worst of the worst...like if Hitler was alive, I don't believe deserve the depravity we're lead to believe is going on. Geezus christ, Id love to believe that Jordanian pilot(who may have killed innocents, ironically, in his sorties) did not burn to death alive. Is there truly anything worse than immolation?

I remember strange multi layers and artifacts found, covered even in Wired mag about the SITE found "al Qaeda" vids, especially the bin Laden vids around 2007/2008
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:19 pm

The Consul » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:56 pm wrote:If you have not seen the Frontline episode "Losing Iraq" it is worth watching. Although it is encumbered by the usual corporate view (in which I included the Corporation for Public Broadcasting to a softer degree) it does evince the attitude and idiocy of the military and policy elite. Seriously, the shit they come up with, and there is no one in the room who says, "you're joking, right?" Occasionally there are, and they are men of rank and experience, but they are ignored in the name of an intensely patriotic drive for short term profit. You got to see this Bremer character in action talking about how he had to sneak out of the country....

Personally I think ISISL is real. I also believe the US and Europe are not beyond trying to manipulate them and or be hoodwinked by them. The price of oil is now already dangerously low to the point of squeezing profits. So in a sense it doesn't matter if there is a blockade of the Straits of Hormuz. The anit-Assad forces now have far too much ordinance to be routed by conventional means, and most if not all have proven predictably untrustworthy and far more likely to join Jihad than any western sponsored alliance. Therefore, I fear that JSOC will come up with some kind of diabolical plan wherein I can imagine someone saying "Yeah, we'll show those fuckers, after we flatten the city and they evacuate we will make the highway of death look like a Girl Scout parade." In short, when they come to that point, and it may not be far off, they will want something far more spectacular than removing a photographer's head. It will be something far more civilized and much, much, scarier than that.

No, I haven't seen "Losing Iraq" but I will when I'm able. Thanks, I think.

Oh ISIL is real alright. And I agree with all else you wrote. It took me a moment... Bremer ~ the name conjures up evil incarnate at first before settling in on the temporal reign of the Crusader King of Baghdad. I feel they're feeling undefeatable and may possibly wind up controlling all of north Africa, across the Arabian peninsula and the middle east absorbing Turkey and on through the Balkans and Afghanistan and into Pakistan. At least that's their plan, or so I imagine it to be.

BTW, a not so local radio station that due to my elevation I'm lucky to receive has a Nick Berg Memorial show http://981kze.com/ Or had one hosted by a band mate. (Very good programing for a local station) Didn't see it specifically listed, though.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Nordic » Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:54 pm

Iamwhomiam » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:19 pm wrote:
The Consul » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:56 pm wrote:If you have not seen the Frontline episode "Losing Iraq" it is worth watching. Although it is encumbered by the usual corporate view (in which I included the Corporation for Public Broadcasting to a softer degree) it does evince the attitude and idiocy of the military and policy elite. Seriously, the shit they come up with, and there is no one in the room who says, "you're joking, right?" Occasionally there are, and they are men of rank and experience, but they are ignored in the name of an intensely patriotic drive for short term profit. You got to see this Bremer character in action talking about how he had to sneak out of the country....

Personally I think ISISL is real. I also believe the US and Europe are not beyond trying to manipulate them and or be hoodwinked by them. The price of oil is now already dangerously low to the point of squeezing profits. So in a sense it doesn't matter if there is a blockade of the Straits of Hormuz. The anit-Assad forces now have far too much ordinance to be routed by conventional means, and most if not all have proven predictably untrustworthy and far more likely to join Jihad than any western sponsored alliance. Therefore, I fear that JSOC will come up with some kind of diabolical plan wherein I can imagine someone saying "Yeah, we'll show those fuckers, after we flatten the city and they evacuate we will make the highway of death look like a Girl Scout parade." In short, when they come to that point, and it may not be far off, they will want something far more spectacular than removing a photographer's head. It will be something far more civilized and much, much, scarier than that.

No, I haven't seen "Losing Iraq" but I will when I'm able. Thanks, I think.

Oh ISIL is real alright. And I agree with all else you wrote. It took me a moment... Bremer ~ the name conjures up evil incarnate at first before settling in on the temporal reign of the Crusader King of Baghdad. I feel they're feeling undefeatable and may possibly wind up controlling all of north Africa, across the Arabian peninsula and the middle east absorbing Turkey and on through the Balkans and Afghanistan and into Pakistan. At least that's their plan, or so I imagine it to be.

BTW, a not so local radio station that due to my elevation I'm lucky to receive has a Nick Berg Memorial show http://981kze.com/ Or had one hosted by a band mate. (Very good programing for a local station) Didn't see it specifically listed, though.


Okay so some of you believe ISIS is "real". But define "real". Are you saying they're real as in actually made up of flesh-and-blood humans and real Toyota undefeatable pickup trucks? Or do you mean "real"as in NOT a creation of the CIA and Israel and all of that?

Because the original "leader" of the original ISIS in fact never actually existed. Was a complete fiction.

So my question is: why would anyone assume, as a starting point, that this new incarnation actually exists at all?

If you do find compelling evidence for flesh-and-blood reality of these supposed people, then:

Why would you assume that they're as "real" as our lying media claims them to be?

It's like Occam's razor in reverse. Because in a world of universal deceit, you should always, as a thinking intelligent person, assume that our media and our government are lying every time they tell us about anything.

In other words, the most likely possibility is that what you are being told and shown is false.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Nordic » Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:54 pm

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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby BrandonD » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:16 am

Nordic » Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:54 pm wrote:It's like Occam's razor in reverse. Because in a world of universal deceit, you should always, as a thinking intelligent person, assume that our media and our government are lying every time they tell us about anything.

In other words, the most likely possibility is that what you are being told and shown is false.


Agreed.

The truth generally does not serve the powerful. So as a rule, if official information "just so happens" to align with the aims of those in power, one should assume the information is false until proven otherwise.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:19 pm

The baby was born to be bad, but how bad it would become its parent's could never have imagined. I think this applies well to the situation as we best understand it - there is war being waged and a group claiming to be ISIL, whom I see as being a tool of western powers created to propel radicalism off the back of the ongoing Syrian unrest, perhaps even initiating it.

This would identify intelligent, capable "adversaries" for immediate or future use, like to organize the orchestration of the destabilization of Saudi Arabia and the ruling Saud dynasty, and eventually drive them from power. And this they willingly do because they are fanatical in their pursuit. They never become aware they are the tools of the west.

But they are unmanageable, and what will be will be.

I don't think I'd watch any of the videos if I was able to.

Why we're baffled that so many youths join to fight with ISIL really astounds me.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Nordic » Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:47 am

Naomi Wolf is on fire. I really hope she doesn't meet the fate of Michael Hastings.

Watch her here in this video, giving a talk somewhere:

https://seeker401.wordpress.com/2015/02 ... nd-pushed/

This is in relation to everything we're discussing here and elsewhere.

I'm really starting to think she's a very brave woman.

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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:50 am

Anonymous “Hacktivists” Strike a Blow Against ISIS
February 8th, 2015 | by CoNN

Anonymous has just struck a massive blow against ISIS recruiting efforts. Hacktivists recently took control of dozens of Twitter and Facebook accounts that had been openly used by ISIS to expand their influence and recruit new members.

The above video explains the attack was coordinated by “Muslims, Christians, Jews” alike. They are “hackers, crackers, Hacktivist, phishers, agents, spies, or just the guy next door… students, administrators, workers, clerks, unemployed, rich, poor.” They are also “young, or old, gay or straight… from all races, countries, religions, and ethnicity. United as one, divided by zero.”

An important point made by the video is that “the terrorists that are calling themselves [the] Islamic State (ISIS) are not Muslims.” Anonymous further directs a threat to ISIS itself:

We will hunt you, take down your sites, accounts, emails, and expose you…
From now on, no safe place for you online…
You will be treated like a virus, and we are the cure…
We own the internet…
We are Anonymous; we are Legion; we do not forgive, we do not forget, Expect us.


The following are some of the Twitter handles that had been brought down by Anonymous and RedCult team in #OpISIS are listed below:

https://twitter.com/Daash
https://twitter.com/DaashISIS
https://twitter.com/DaashConnect
https://twitter.com/DaashConnect1
https://twitter.com/DaashConnect2
https://twitter.com/DaashConnect3
https://twitter.com/DaashConnect4
https://twitter.com/DaashConnect5
https://twitter.com/DaashConnect6
https://twitter.com/DaashConnect7
https://twitter.com/DaashConnect8
https://twitter.com/DaashISIS
https://twitter.com/ISISConnect
https://twitter.com/ISISConnect2
https://twitter.com/ISISConnect3
https://twitter.com/ISIS_Connect
https://twitter.com/D3ichy1
https://twitter.com/Nour_zalam
https://twitter.com/fadou7_ilma3bar
https://twitter.com/Faysal_da3iche
https://twitter.com/sam7anA7mar
https://twitter.com/Salman7asoun
https://twitter.com/far7at_naser_3
https://twitter.com/Asad3oumran
https://twitter.com/AbouHilal_bader
https://twitter.com/Abou7amadElrasy
https://twitter.com/Dafiq_ISIS
https://twitter.com/Salman_Anwar
https://twitter.com/Jazib_moutawakil
https://twitter.com/Albakistani_JN
https://twitter.com/umar_media_ttp
https://twitter.com/Din1080
https://twitter.com/abu_elbaraa91
https://twitter.com/Din1080
https://twitter.com/ZawahiriRafidhi
https://twitter.com/interditAuPaien
https://twitter.com/Qan9Yaman
https://twitter.com/Abouyamany
https://twitter.com/AlRani1
https://twitter.com/AMouwahidin
https://twitter.com/AbouMoustapha1
https://twitter.com/Abou_illabaisse
https://twitter.com/Ja3faralsadik
https://twitter.com/E7sanALsadiq
https://twitter.com/Ja3far_aboumahdi
https://twitter.com/imam_3antar
https://twitter.com/AbuBicha
https://twitter.com/OumShaheed1
https://twitter.com/aboomusab69
https://twitter.com/riahizaid12
https://twitter.com/Khaled_nousra
https://twitter.com/MouvementSalafi
https://twitter.com/akhypotteur
https://twitter.com/Dz_Bara_ah
https://twitter.com/UmmSherazzade
https://twitter.com/Salam_nour
https://twitter.com/Abou_OmarAlchamy
https://twitter.com/Abou_jabal
https://twitter.com/Baghdadid1
https://twitter.com/Ra2if_w
https://twitter.com/Amin_3abdala
https://twitter.com/Qouyas7
https://twitter.com/zalmour_3aziz
https://twitter.com/karkhan_el_nour
https://twitter.com/Barlous_3antar
https://twitter.com/karim_soura
https://twitter.com/SrhZtn
https://twitter.com/Monimelperso
https://twitter.com/Abounizar_sadim
https://twitter.com/AbouNasir_nousra
https://twitter.com/khalid_da3ichy
https://twitter.com/Mouhran_salam_alah
https://twitter.com/Mounir3abed_nousra
https://twitter.com/MinhajNoubouwa
https://twitter.com/abou_suisse
https://twitter.com/dawlaReporter
https://twitter.com/FatimaYouYouu
https://twitter.com/Nour_Da3ich
https://twitter.com/aylan7x
https://twitter.com/Parigi6
https://twitter.com/moujahidardent
https://twitter.com/patience1900
https://twitter.com/alfuratwadijlah
https://twitter.com/CassKhattab
https://twitter.com/ibnhouss > Rachid Abou Houdeyfa
https://twitter.com/aboushaheed_
https://twitter.com/abubakr99amb
https://twitter.com/Salashh
https://twitter.com/jamilnousran
https://twitter.com/jamilnousran1

Anonymous states that the Facebook accounts listed below appear to be in close contact with ISIS. We are advised to “keep a close eye” on them.

https://www.facebook.com/azizi.salina
https://www.facebook.com/mujahiddin.bolzan
https://www.facebook.com/sinar.cahaya.73
https://www.facebook.com/putraijamarul77
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007817504822 ====> This are Junaid Hussain AkA TriCk.
https://www.facebook.com/najmi.mie.9
https://www.facebook.com/mohdazril.matsoom
https://www.facebook.com/mohdrahemyl.remy
https://www.facebook.com/safwan.wan.5661
https://www.facebook.com/cikgu.ihsan
https://www.facebook.com/buxy.bux ====> (Recruiter) This woman she to brainwash young people to go to Syria to fight alongside Terrorists of the Islamic State.

This is just the beginning iteems. Anonymous warns that there will be “more to come.” In fact, even as this article is being typed, more accounts are being taken offline.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:01 am

well one would think the U.S. government could have done that :shrug:
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Elvis » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:24 pm

seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:01 am wrote:well one would think the U.S. government could have done that :shrug:


But but but but.... :starz:
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:14 pm

Anarchists vs. ISIS: The Revolution in Syria Nobody’s Talking About
by Gareth Watkins February 6, 2015

The Middle East today is the last place anyone in mainstream western thought would think to look for progressive political thought, and even less to see those thoughts translated into action. Our image of the region is one of dictatorships, military juntas and theocracies built on the ruins of the former Ottoman Empire, or hollow states like Afghanistan, and increasingly Pakistan, where anything outside the capitol is like Mad Max. The idea of part of the region being not just free, but well on its way to utopian, isn't one that you're going to find on mainstream media.

But you're not on the mainstream media right now, are you?

Along Syria's borders with Turkey and Northern Iraq, lies a mainly Kurdish area with a population of 4.6 million where a huge social experiment is taking place at the centre of a crossfire between Syria's dictatorship, ISIS's collective insanity and Turkey's ongoing hostility towards the idea of Kurdish autonomy, with the US and NATO looming large in the background. The Democratic Union Party (PYD) and Kurdish National Council (KNC) established in the region of Rojava a society that mixes fierce libertarianism (guns are everywhere and there are no taxes – none) and Occupy-friendly anarchist thought with a healthy dose of feminism. While most Kurdish groups, especially those the US is friendly with, would some day like to establish a Kurdish state, in Rojava they have leap-frogged over the idea of the nation state into a more advanced system that they call Democratic Confederalism.

In the cantons of Rojava, there is a small central government with an absolute minimum of 40% female delegates, but most of the day-to-day work of running society happens at a local level, street by street and village by village. Democratic Confederalism's chief architect, Abdullah Ocalan, says that “Ecology and feminism are central pillars” of the system he has spearheaded, something that you would have to go very far to the margins to hear from Western politicians. In Rojava, men who beat their wives face total ostracism from the community, making their lives in a highly social, connected society virtually impossible. Instead of a police force and jails, 'peace committees' in each municipality work to defuse the cycles of inter-family revenge killings by consensual agreements between both sides – and it works.

The only part of Rojava's experiment that has received any international attention has been the YPJ, the female-only paramilitary forces that have been fighting, and winning, against ISIS and the Syrian Army. NBC, the Guardian and even Marie Claire have all covered the YPJ's bravery without even paying lip service to the ideology that makes it possible.

It was the YPJ, along with their male counterparts the YPG, that rescued the thousands of Yazidis stranded and encircled by ISIS on Mount Sinjar in northern Iraq. The Yazidi community had the misfortune to be based almost entirely inside the area that ISIS has claimed – and they have been a hated minority in the Islamic world for a thousand years, accused of 'devil worship'. While the US dropped supplies from above, the Syrian fighting groups broke ISIS's lines and saved tens of thousands of lives. They also successfully defended the city of Kobani when ISIS launched an all-out assault on the city of forty-five thousand with tanks, missiles and even drones. Despite heavy losses, the city remains ISIS-free, though its surrounding villages are still contested.

The YPJ/G and the the Democratic Society Movement that they fight for aren't perfect: they have been accused of using child soldiers (girls as young as twelve serve as cooks and cleaners for the YPJ and undergo some basic combat training, though they aren't deployed in combat) and they are forever tainted by their association with the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), led by Abdullah Ocalan and classified as a terrorist organization by most nations. The formerly Marxist-Leninist party also has some murky connections to the drug trade and Turkish intelligence.

Despite all the obstacles facing them, the people of Rojava are, right now, the only large-scale movement on the entire planet implementing a real, working alternative to the state and capitalism. Like the Spanish anarchist federations and the Mexican Zapatistas before them, the people of Rojava have chosen to do the impossible: to create a new society while fighting as one of the smallest forces in a regional war, a tight-rope walk through a dodge-ball court. Only time will tell if they can pull it off.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Nordic » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:54 am

I LOVE this.

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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby coffin_dodger » Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:12 am

After the disquieting rejection by we, the people of the cast-iron, business-as-usual, sure-fire plan to smash the blood and bones of the Despicable Despot™ in Syria in 2013, Something Had To Be Done. Changes Were Afoot and they don't like change. New and improved Super-Arab enemy urgently required to scare us justified. Organic or Synthetic - matters not. A bit of both - all the better!
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