Bernie Sanders running for preznit?

[Elvis]

I can't bear to watch any of the debates whatsoever.

If John McAfee was in a presidential debate, I'd watch.

[General Patton]

I can't bear to watch any of the debates whatsoever.

If John McAfee was in a presidential debate, I'd watch.

I'd watch DMX v. McAfee v. Trump.

[Luther Blissett]

I can't find any polls in which Sanders didn't beat Clinton by at least an 18-point margin. Most are divided something like 80% Sanders / 12% Clinton. I actually did get to watch some of the mainstream coverage and while it's pretty crazy, it's not surprising. The only soundbite they reiterate is that inane one up there in which he supports Clinton; nothing substantive like his opening remarks.

Every mainstream outlet says Clinton won. It's great.

[tapitsbo]

do you figure Sanders has any chance of winning it a la Corbyn

despite inevitable rigging, etc.

[Luther Blissett]

No I do not. I think the system has too many failsafes in place.

I have a lot of good Green Party and various socialist / leftist critiques of Sanders but I'm too bored to post them. I'm not even sure how I feel about them. I have been really looking forward to seeing the spin after the first debate and am so excited now that it's here. That's a lot more fun to me.

[Nordic]

Just picking up on the vibe from the debate, which I didn't even watch, I now predict:

Bernie will be Killary's running mate. And that was the plan all along.

She'll scoop up the entire faux "left" in this country, from the Bernie bots to the Nixonian "centrist" Dems.

But it doesn't matter because the elections are rigged, and whoever "they" want will be selected.

[82_28]

The leftist part of the Democratic party absolutely want Sanders and distrust Clinton. But I think that O'Malley is the most electable and could probably take on the best that the republicans could bring. This I didn't know until seeing it tonight. I am not sure what any of it means, but holy stupidity.

My good friend who spent a spell in Baltimore has covered the bases as far as I am concerned today about O'Malley being a crook. So that's good enough for me. So nix the prior comment from me. Bernie all the way -- I'm just afraid of how he'll age as he is already aged. Again, though if I support someone or something it is doomed to fail so I've basically given up on caring.

[RocketMan]

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/bernie- ... he-debate/

Bernie won all the focus groups and online polls — so why is the media saying Hillary won the debate?

This morning, I’ve been pointing out on Twitter that the unanimity of pro-Hillary Clinton journalism coming from the mouthpieces of establishment Democratic politics — Slate, Vox, New York Magazine, etc. — is entirely predictable and has no meaningful relationship to her actual performance at the debate last night. That’s because, one, the Democrats are a centrist party that is interested in maintaining the stranglehold of the DNC establishment on their presidential politics, and these publications toe that line. And second, because Clinton has long been assumed to be the heavy favorite to win the presidency, these publications are in a heated battle to produce the most sympathetic coverage, in order to gain access. That is a tried-and-true method of career advancement in political journalism. Ezra Klein was a well-regarded blogger and journalist. He became the most influential journalist in DC (and someone, I can tell you with great confidence, that young political journalists are terrified of crossing) through his rabid defense of Obamacare, and subsequent access to the President. That people would try and play the same role with Clinton is as natural and unsurprising as I can imagine.

[Elvis]

It's like a chorus, really weird. To the careerist pundits Hillary "won" simply because she dodged more bullets (no sniper fire pun intended) and came out looking better than expected. It has nothing to do with the kind of president USicans want. God forbid.

Some NPR asswipe on the Diane Rhem Show* also said that at the end of the day Sanders and Clinton are "about the same"[!] but that Clinton "knows how to get things done."





* (Diane might be the best thing on NPR but her panels are full of MSM hacks who recently went hogwild while she was away for a couple weeks.)

[tapitsbo]

If people stopped paying attention to the MSM altogether, they might have to institute reeducation camps to prop up The Narrative.

Didn't Clinton say something about joycamps recently?

[Twyla LaSarc]

The leftist part of the Democratic party absolutely want Sanders and distrust Clinton. But I think that O'Malley is the most electable and could probably take on the best that the republicans could bring. This I didn't know until seeing it tonight. I am not sure what any of it means, but holy stupidity.

My good friend who spent a spell in Baltimore has covered the bases as far as I am concerned today about O'Malley being a crook. So that's good enough for me. So nix the prior comment from me. Bernie all the way -- I'm just afraid of how he'll age as he is already aged. Again, though if I support someone or something it is doomed to fail so I've basically given up on caring.

I have cloistered myself from this madness this season by disconnecting from the political boards, but before I went, I was reading other Baltimore-ites assessments of OMalley. He is just another realpolitik ass who is talking a good game now, but if his record is examined, he is as culpable as any pol in Maryland for what went down there recently re: 'law enforcement' in the cities, and apparently is not too good on the environment, like letting oil companies shit in Chesapeake Bay, etc. IIRC, there are some threads on Daily Kos with info/opinion on him from former constituents. The usual 'pro-business' democrat, wolf in sheeps clothing and all, he seems to be counting on being an unknown in the hinterlands and 'not hillary'.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Just picking up on the vibe from the debate, which I didn't even watch, I now predict:

Bernie will be Killary's running mate. And that was the plan all along.

Damn, even I'm not that cynical about Bernie. However, you may be proven right.

[Hunter]

I think it is possible that Bernie got in to this thinking he would set the narrative but he never once thought he might actually become President and may not really even want to be, so I could see now that shit is getting real where he may be thinking VP is enough, but that is just a guess. I do not think he is being dishonest or anything, just things have taken a turn that he did not imagine would ever happen. Is his health even really up for the break neck pace of being President in your opinion Wombat, he looks pretty good but that job is tough on the health but then again he is only five years older than Hillary less all the face lifts.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Bernie is one of those guys who will be running like a vintage porsche right up until about 24 hours prior to his actual death. His energy is astounding.

I noticed a lot of commentary about how Bernie looked "tired" towards the end of the debate -- he was bored and has never disguised that well. That was the same face he made when local Occupy kids were trying to lecture him in City Hall Park.

[Hunter]

I know a few like that and figured as much and it appears to be so. Good to know, I met him a few weeks ago at a rally, I think he is genuine and im not really one to fall for bullshit, but I guess we will see how it pans out. I have no illusion that he can actually win or even if he does, actually get anything done.