Active Shooter San Bernardino

[SonicG]

Have we heard the part yet about how they FBI had been watching this guy and had contacted him in the past?

I could be wrong but I'm fully expecting that.

Seems to be varying reports....

David Bowdich of the FBI's Los Angeles office told reporters Friday that investigators had uncovered "telephonic connections" between the two shooters and other subjects of the investigations. He said he did not know if the couple had been directed by a larger terror organization, but "we are looking very carefully into that."
Still, he cited a number of pieces of evidence that pushed the agency to officially declare a terrorism investigation.
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/04/killer-i ... known.html

Syed Rizwan Farook -- who along with his wife, Tashfeen Malik, carried out the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- apparently was radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.


Still, the radicalization wasn't necessarily the only driver behind the carnage, as workplace grievances might have also played a role. President Barack Obama hinted as much Thursday when he said that the attackers may have had "mixed motives."
David Bowditch, assistant director in charge of the FBI's Los Angeles office, told reporters Thursday that Farook had traveled to Pakistan.

And two government officials said no red flags were raised when he'd gone to Saudi Arabia for several weeks in 2013 on the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that Muslims are required to take at least once in their lifetime. It was during this trip that he met Malik, a native of Pakistan who came to the United States in July 2014 on a "fiancée visa" and later became a lawful permanent resident.

http://ktla.com/2015/12/03/san-bernardi ... d-sources/

[stickdog99]

As I said before, it's almost as if the limits of our capacity for mass credulity are being measured. "If we were to tell you that a mild mannered food inspector and his 90 lb wife pray to Mecca, is there anything we could tell you they did 100% on their own or any explanation we could concoct for their motivations or any aspect of our 'investigation' of their property that you would question?"

I am dumbfounded. But I suppose stranger things have happened?

I suppose the Farooks could have somehow turned into suicidal ISIS loving jihadists just by reading the internet without anyone they knew or worked with ever noticing one radical or violent thing about their behavior. Then they could have picked Farook's workplace as their target, I don't know, to kill two birds with one stone? ("Honey, I know we are supposed to be striking fear in the hearts of all Americans by committing random senseless terror, but as long as we are going to be martyrs for Allah, can I please just kill all those jerks at work before I collect my 72 virgins? They leave food out in the breakroom!")

And I suppose the Farooks could have wandered around the area for 4 hours before they were executed by the cops in a "firefight" just 2 miles away from the scene of the crime. Maybe there was big sale at Korans 'r' Us that kept them from going home to get a few of the dozens of pipe bombs they had forgotten to take with them to wreak more havoc? Thank Allah for that!

And then the FBI could have made careful 3D scans and DNA tests of everything in the house, including the paper shreds they left in the wastebasket, just so they could open the scene to reporters and their dogs within 48 hours of beginning the investigation into these terrifyingly radical, murderous, rampaging ISIS-loving terrorists. Or maybe the shredded documents just didn't look important? Maybe the document reconstruction department is on Christmas vacation?

I mean, there may be rock solid evidence that law enforcement entities have used to answer many of these questions beyond a reasonable doubt. And there may be good reasons for the FBI's opening up the private, still leased residence of the Bonnie & Clyde of homegrown Muslim terrorists to a complete media trampling. And maybe the NSA had its own copies of those shredded documents that it had already gladly shared with the FBI?

I really do want to see major news events as everyone else sees them. And I'm not kidding about this. Can anyone here help me get back into the idiot box?

[8bitagent]

Biggest Islamic terror attack in America since 9/11, and all the top cable news media are allowed to black friday style rush in and ransack the place. I thought
you guys were kidding, til I saw the bizarre clips from MSNBC, Fox, CNN, etc...then read..this. geezus.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/12/ ... NTA1NTExS0

The NBC reporter also expressed wonder at finding a prayer rug in the apartment. “Now, here’s something interesting,” he exclaimed. “A prayer rug . . . I don’t know if this has been moved, but this should be facing Mecca.”

Also on the NBC stream: rearranging pillows in a baby’s crib, looking through children’s books, and picking up checks and zooming in on them.

Eventually, other members of the public began going in as well, including one woman who was walking a dog.

This is so wtf...it may even trump the "3rd shooter" mystery, active shooter drills, how close the shooters were when they were caught or the alleged bomb/gun arsenal to start a war in the house.

[tapitsbo]

I hate to be Captain Obvious but the message I'm getting here is "due process is soooooooo passe!"

[Belligerent Savant]

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I hate to be Captain Obvious but the message I'm getting here is "due process is soooooooo passe!"

Or, perhaps the apartment was 'permitted' to be raided by the press to circumvent potentially compromising content at the scene. What better way to remove the potential for any 'setbacks' -- evidence that may contradict or muddle the narrative(s) -- than to render the entire scene/area inadmissible?

In any event, apparently the key takeaway here is whatever theatrical (and incrementally deteriorating) semblance of 'due process' the average folk have been exposed to -- not only in the TV narratives depicting the U.S. legal realm but also in the mainstream/cultural realm -- no longer applies.

The rules are there ain't no rules.

Do what thou [they] wilt.

[tapitsbo]

Yes, it sure is a new low in reality TV narratives!

[NaturalMystik]

This headline just caught my eye

"Reporters root through San Bernardino shooters' apartment on live TV"

It's gone fractal, the media reporting on the media.

[82_28]

If they were driving around all day there would have to be some gas station footage at least before or after of them fuelling up at some point.

Unless they paid in cash, there will be a record of the gas/petrol transaction and/or footage.

[mentalgongfu2]

I want to write a more lengthy analysis of this in coming days. RI keeps logging me out when I sign in from cellular network instead of wifi. Short version, this entire drama presents succinct example of media manipulation in the modern era. Don't have to wait for charges to be filed because suspects are dead, so no charges ever come. Don't have to wait for evidence to be sifted by officials because the media shows live video of the perpetrators' home. Don't have to sort it all out ( and Can't do so) because we've seen enough already. None of this by itself is new, but the way it has been put together in this case is an evolution of the game. McLuhan would have a field day with this. I don't know that I can hold a candle to his level of observation, but I think we should try. RI voices are already helping, so I hope we can deconstruct the events and the coverage of the events as deeply as possible. The fact that the coverage is as much of the story as the happening itself illustrates how the line has blurred. We're far past law an order and into issues of perception and reception (and deception). This is taking "creating our own reality" to a new exponent. I'm not as quick as others so need some time to think, but reminded of one of my favorite McLuhanisms, "Mud often gives the illusion of depth."

[slomo]

I've been trying to follow this thread (and the events it documents), but the whole thing evades my understanding. It all just seems like a bad acid trip.

[Nordic]

My mind keeps seeing the word "Farook" as "Facebook" at first glance.

[mentalgongfu2]

Quoted often enough here but never hurts to repeat....

“That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” …“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” [1]

[Nordic]

Naomi Eolf is reporting just now on Farook, oops I mean Facebook:

I honestly want to throw up my hands (I know I wrote that a lot these days). The ONLY source for the FBI's assertion that the San Bernardino shooter had "deleted Facebook posts" that proved he was a Muslim extremist terrorist was...Rita Katz of SITE. THE ONLY SOURCE. Internet techies....how does JUST ONE SOURCE know what was DELETED on Facebook? How was SITE tracking this person BEFORE any violence? Why is there NEVER A SECOND SOURCE confirming this? Can you guys cal Facebook's press or public affairs office and just ask for an explanation of how it is possible for one organization to know what a deleted post is, and how we can verify that that post was deleted? And ask them to verify if they can that the SB shooter did indeed delete these posts? BTW I gather that in an FBI raid that was later overturned as a false accusation of a family, the FBU ALLOWED RITA KATZ to be present at the raid...the family later sued SITE for I believe defamation. Call the Guardian, The New York Times and the New York Post, AOL and Daily News and ask them to second source SITE.

[8bitagent]

A lawyer for the family of suspected San Bernardino gunman Syed Rizwan Farook floated skepticism about the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary shooting in his efforts to cast doubt on early police findings about the massacre at a county holiday party that left 14 dead this week.

Appearing alongside attorney Mohammad Abuershaid, David Chesley said there were “a lot of questions” in the wake of the Newtown, Connecticut shooting, where 20 children and 6 adults were killed. Abuershaid and Chesley have been identified as attorneys representing the Farook family.

“There was a lot of questions drawn with regards to Sandy Hook and whether or not that was a real incident or not. We just don't know,” Chesley said, in video published Friday by British tabloid The Daily Mail.

The Mail reported that Chesley, asked directly if he questioned the attack at Sandy Hook, said: “There has been a lot [sic] speculation about it is all I would say.”

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Geeze, how meta. Does Bigfoot and Duncan/Blake show up on their internet searches? I always have to LOL when its alleged terrorists are searching for conspiracies online. Its like 'dummies, do you not see how youre not part of the conspiracy"?

I wonder what the real intended target of all those "remote controlled IED/bombs" were suppose to be? If it was truly people who help developmentally disabled people, let them burn in hell. Actually, let them burn in hell anyway.

[zangtang]

Mentalgongfu2 - I suspect your McLuhan reference is apt, 1st thing i thought (after press pictures of the press water buffalo-ing thru 'evidence'
is Adam Curtis & his short film (think its called 'oh dear') - the segment from Carlie Brooker's tv-wipe - the Vladislov Surkov(?) next-gen psywar spin thing
this will cost any of you who haven't seen it 5 mins,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcy8uLjRHPM

am still hoping this short is just teaser for a fully developed film /guidebook to.....'our common future' - a heritage i'm sure we can all stand shoulder to shoulder resolutly security values democratic drone woof woof fade to gray