Who Poisoned Alexander Litvinenko? Radioactive thallium link

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Postby Jeff » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:38 pm

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Police match image of Litvinenko's real assassin with his death-bed description

January 20

Police have identified the man they believe poisoned Alexander Litvinenko. The suspected killer was captured on cameras at Heathrow as he flew into Britain to carry out the murder.

Friends of the ex-spy say that the man was a hired killer, sent by the Kremlin, who vanished hours after administering a deadly dose of radioactive polonium-210 to Litvinenko.

He arrived in London on a forged EU passport and reportedly slipped the poison into a cup of tea he made for Litvinenko in a London hotel room. Litvinenko was reportedly able to give vital details of his suspected killer in a bedside interview with detectives just days before he died on November 23 at University College Hospital.

Police have decided not to publish pictures of this man, who was seen on CCTV cameras as he flew in from Hamburg on November 1, the day that Litvinenko fell ill.

He is described as being tall and powerfully built, in his early thirties with short, cropped black hair and distinctive Central Asian features.

He reportedly travelled on the same flight as Dimitri Kovtun, a Russian businessman who is being investigated for trafficking the radioactive material used in the poison plot.

Oleg Gordievsky, a former KGB agent and friend of Litvinenko, who has worked closely with police on the investigation, said: “This man is believed to have used a Lithuanian or Slovak passport. He did not check into any hotel in London using the name or that passport, and he left the country using another EU passport.”

German police are investigating how polonium-210 was found in various locations Mr Kovtun visited in Hamburg.

According to police sources, until now it has not been revealed that Litvinenko visited a fourth-floor room at the Millennium Hotel to discuss a business deal.

He had gone to the room with Mr Kovtun and another former Russian agent, Andrei Lugovoy.

The three men were joined in the room later by the mystery figure who was introduced as “Vladislav”.

Mr Gordievsky told The Times yesterday how “Vladislav was described as someone who could help Mr Litvinenko win a lucrative contract with a Moscow-based private security company.

“Sasha (his name for Litvinenko) remembered the man making him a cup of tea.

“His belief is that the water from the kettle was only lukewarm and that the polonium-210 was added, which heated the drink through radiation so he had a hot cup of tea. The poison would have showed up in a cold drink,” he added.

The hotel room where Litvinenko thought he was poisoned remains sealed off. This room reportedly showed the heaviest concentration of polonium-210 found at a dozen locations across London.

Both Mr Lugovoy and Mr Kovtun were questioned by Scotland Yard detectives in Moscow last month. They strenuously deny playing any role in the posion plot.

Scotland Yard have asked to return to Russia so that they can continue their hunt for the suspected murderer, but have been told that they will not be allowed back until after a team of Russian investigators have completed their own inquiry in London.

The fear is that the Russian investigators will use their trip to pursue enemies of President Vladimir Putin living in London. The Kremlin has offered an amnesty for some on its wanted list in return for information against Mr Putin’s main foes given asylum in Britain. They are thought to include former executives of the fallen oil giant Yukos, whose assets have been seized by the Kremlin.

Alexei Golubovich, former director of corporate finance and strategic planning at Yukos, came back from Italy this month after striking a deal with Russian prosecutors, who had issued an international warrant for his arrest.

Mr Golubovich was held in Italy last year but fought off extradition attempts. He is now said to be co-operating actively with Russian prosecutors.

The Kremlin agreed apparently to drop fraud charges if he returned to Moscow and provided testimony against Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the founder of Yukos, and his deputy, Leonid Nevzlin.

Khodorkovsky was jailed for fraud and tax evasion in 2003 in what was widely seen as a government vendetta against the oligarch, who had been highly critical of President Putin. Mr Nevzlin fled to Israel.

Yuri Chaika, the Prosecutor-General in Moscow, has accused Mr Nevzlin of involvement in Litvinenko’s death, a charge dismissed by the former Yukos number two. Mr Nevzlin told The Times how Litvinenko flew to Israel shortly before he was poisoned to warn him about a plan by the Kremlin to claw back millions of pounds from exiled Yukos executives through a covert campaign of intimidation and murder.

At least a dozen former Yukos personnel have been given asylum in Britain. Three attempts by the authorities in Moscow to have them sent back to Russia were blocked by the English courts.

All these executives are understood to be on the list of people the Russian investigators want to question in their murder inquiry.

Mr Chaika added to the intrigue this week by announcing that Moscow had “evidence of attempts to poison several witnesses in the Yukos case with mercury”.

He also asked Scotland Yard to investigate the sudden deaths of two Russians working in London, although police here insist the men died of natural causes.
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Postby greencrow0 » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:45 pm

Jeff:

My POV is...

If the MSM is saying it...if must be a lie....

I would look to the other evidence that the killer is connected with black ops from the West trying to incriminate the Kremlin as part of ongoing 'hearts and minds' sorties.

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Postby Sweejak » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:59 pm

Not many comments aside from noting the headline doesn't quite match the story, but that's not unusual anymore.

Also why is it only now revealed that Litvinenko had a meeting on the 4th floor of the Millennium. If memory serves, I recall only a meeting at the hotel bar and polonium traces in the bathroom.
Anyway, maybe this is a break in the case.
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Postby Jeff » Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:12 pm

greencrow0 wrote:Jeff:

My POV is...

If the MSM is saying it...if must be a lie....


I can understand why you'd say that, but I think if someone truly held to that rule it would be a Monty Python sketch. You know: "I came here for an argument; this is contradiction."
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Postby hiddenite » Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:31 pm

Not sure if this is too mainstream media for you :? , it's an article I posted on it's own thread, but as it is going to disappear after today /tonight and in case you are interested in other cases of poisonings in Russia here it is again ...the paper is the one Anna Politkovskaya wrote before she was shot.

http://russophobe.blogspot.com/2007/01/ ... -full.html
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Postby Iroquois » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:30 pm

hiddenite,

Thanks for the link. That is a very interesting site. It'll take me a couple of days to digest it though. Darn day job.

And, while I pretty much hold greencrow0's prejudice, I'd say my personal finger of blame is turning to point back toward the Kremlin. I doubt I'll ever feel certain either way, however.
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Postby Sweejak » Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:21 am

I wouldn't trust Kim Zigfeld of Russophobe, not much.

I'm still holding to responsibility for Litvinenko's murder going to groups above nations, and Kremlins, if only for the simple "who benefits" question. But, as yet that is unanswered, though for myself it points away from the Kremlin.
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Postby hiddenite » Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:59 am

Sweejack ..the aticle isn't BY Russophobe it is posted there , but is a translation of an article from Novaya Gazeta . When I posted it originally on the other thread I did cite how I came across it , in case it's origins put people off from reading it .

I don't understand how deliberately not reading something because of it's source makes you better informed? I can understand reading it and being sceptical but the other position I don't get? Isn't that a bit like putting your fingers in your ears and humming loudly whenever Bush makes a statement or something? Sorry that sounds flippant , but I really don't get it.
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Postby Sweejak » Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:12 pm

hiddenite, I understand that, I read it. I'm skeptical.

It says:
We still do not know for sure who killed Litvinenko and who gave the order for his elimination. But, let’s agree, against the background of everything that is happening in Russia today, it is hard to exclude the scenario that the special services were involved in it.

and I agree with that but I also said what I meant to say. I read a lot of sources that routinely get slammed and am often on the other side of the argument.

Have you read Dunlop's paper?
Which other thread?
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ABC News Exclusive: Murder in a Teapot

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:30 pm

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ABC News Exclusive: Murder in a Teapot
January 26, 2007 12:11 PM

Brian Ross and Maddy Sauer Report:

British officials say police have cracked the murder-by-poison case of former spy Alexander Litvinenko, including the discovery of a "hot" teapot at London's Millennium Hotel with an off-the-charts reading for Polonium-210, the radioactive material used in the killing.

A senior official tells ABC News the "hot" teapot remained in use at the hotel for several weeks after Litvinenko's death before being tested in the second week of December. The official said investigators were embarrassed at the oversight.

The official says investigators have concluded, based on forensic evidence and intelligence reports, that the murder was a "state-sponsored" assassination orchestrated by Russian security services.


Officials say Russian FSB intelligence considered the murder to have been badly bungled because it took more than one attempt to administer the poison. The Russian officials did not expect the source of the poisoning to be discovered, according to intelligence reports.

Russian officials continue to deny any involvement in the murder and have said they would deny any extradition requests for suspects in the case.


Sources say police intend to seek charges against a former Russian spy, Andrei Lugovoi, who met with Litvinenko on Nov. 1, the day officials believe the lethal dose was administered in the Millennium Hotel teapot.

Lugovoi steadfastly denied any involvement in the murder at a Moscow news conference and at a session with Scotland Yard detectives. Russian security police were present when the British questioned Lugovoi, and British officials do not think they received honest answers from him.

British health officials say some 128 people were discovered to have had "probable contact" with Polonium-210, including at least eight hotel staff members and one guest.

None of these individuals has yet displayed symptoms of radiation poisoning, and only 13 individuals of the 128 tested at a level for which there is any known long-term health concern, officials said.

The Millennium Hotel has closed the Pine Bar and other areas where Litvinenko and Lugovoi met on Nov. l, although the hotel says the remaining public areas "have been officially declared safe" and are open to the public.


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 187571.ece

Litvinenko killer 'will die of poisoning within three years'

Russian caught trying to sell weapons-grade uranium
129 people test positive for Polonium210 in London
Friday, January 26, 2007

By Andrew Osborn in Moscow

The person who poisoned the former Russian counter-intelligence agent Alexander Litvinenko in London will pay the ultimate price for his crime and die of radiation poisoning within three years, it has been claimed.

Mr Litvinenko died in a London hospital in November after being poisoned with polonium-210, a rare and expensive radioactive chemical, in a Cold War-style plot reminiscent of a John le Carré novel.


But according to Oleg Gordievsky, the most senior KGB spy to have ever defected to Britain, the extraordinary story has not reached its conclusion yet.


Mr Gordievsky, who was a close friend of Mr Litvinenko, has suggested that the radioactive poison used to kill him will claim at least three more lives before the curtain falls on a mystery that has raised more questions than answers.


In an interview with the Russian daily newspaper Moskovsky Komsomolets, Mr Gordievsky said that the person who administered the poison ­ supposedly in a cup of tea in a London hotel ­ would inevitably have received a fatal dose of polonium himself and will be dead within three years.


Two Russian businessmen, who have variously been described as suspects or witnesses, will also lose their lives due to their involvement, he claimed.


The two men, Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitri Kovtun, held several meetings in London with Mr Litvinenko before his death and have both been questioned in Russia in the presence of Scotland Yard. According to Mr Gordievsky, both will be dead within five years from leukaemia.


The Crown Prosecution Service is deciding whether Scotland Yard has gathered enough evidence to press any charges in what has become a politically-charged case between London and Moscow. The officers were allowed only limited access to both men. But last night, it was reported that there is sufficient evidence against Mr Lugovoi for the CPS to decide whether he should face prosecution. Mr Lugovoi has consistently denied having any involvement in Mr Litvinenko's death and repeated that denial yesterday. Scotland Yard refused to comment.
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Postby hiddenite » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:02 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/articl ... 28,00.html

according to today's Guardian the Russians want Berezovsky back in return for Lugovoi .

Sweejack ..I have felt bad that I didn't reply to you sooner . :oops: I understand what you are saying ..sorry if I appeared to go off on one .

The "other thread" was just me and the same new report so you haven't missed anything. I however have ..the Dunlop article?
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Postby Sweejak » Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:02 am

Hiddenite, it was right of you to point out that the article was not written by Russophobe and I should have focused on the article. My opinion of Russophobe leaked out. Oh well, no harm done.

The Dunlop article, while it has some mistakes, is quite a read.

http://www.sais-jhu.edu/programs/res/pa ... Report.pdf
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Postby Sweejak » Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:27 am

This from an Italian friend:
These aspects of Russian news remind me more and more of Italy's plot-ridden, extremely factionalised and out-of-control "deviated" secret services in the strategy-of-tension years ... complete with false-flag bombings and murders. Our intel plotters (consisting of powerful faction-networks inside Italian intel services) operated 99.9% outside direct government knowledge and control, btw - in particular, they fancied the idea of bringing down the govt. in favour of a military coup, had both mafia and far-right ties. Also some evidence they had some CIA (or CIA faction) backing and occasional Mossad links.


And this snip, C is someone who works in the nuclear industry:
Do they wash teapots in English hotels ?

After weeks of daily washing in a big machine with all the other teapots, this one still bears forensic evidence the other ones have not ?

I'd like a word from C about that...

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Good point, F.
... Of course, we've all seen teapots with that brown deposit on them. That could retain the polonium, although if it were washed with other teapots with brown deposit, they probably would pick it up too.

... The media are notorious for their scare inaccuracies in anything having to do with radiation. It's possible that the polonium became chemically bound to the teapot or the brown deposit and wouldn't leach into later drinks.
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Postby Sweejak » Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:44 am

Regarding the "Russian caught trying to sell Uranium" Headline, Novosti has this to say:

Russia cannot identify origin of uranium seized in Georgia

MOSCOW, January 26 (RIA Novosti) - Russian experts are unable to establish the origin of highly-enriched uranium that was allegedly seized from a Russian national in Georgia, as an inadequate sample was provided by Tbilisi, a specialist said Friday.

A Georgian court sentenced Oleg Khinsagov, from the Russian North Caucasus republic of North Ossetia, to eight years in prison Thursday for attempting to sell 100 grams of HEU, according to the Georgian Interior Ministry.

"About a year ago, our institute received an insignificant sample from Georgia. It was established that the material was regenerated highly-enriched uranium," said Igor Skabura, deputy director of the Russian Scientific Research Institute of Non-Organic Materials.

He said the amount was insufficient for a comprehensive analysis, and that the institute had asked for an additional sample of material, but had received no response from the Georgian side.

"We were therefore unable to establish either its origin, or the regeneration method used," he said.

Georgian authorities said they had withheld information as the investigation sought to identify other suspects involved in the case, but that Georgia was cooperating with Russia and had sent samples of the enriched uranium for verification and testing.

Three Georgian citizens in the case were also convicted and sentenced to between four and six years in prison.

Another Russian nuclear expert said Georgia's arrest and sentencing of the Russian national was "a planned information provocation."

"Georgia and the U.S. nuclear officials who have been investigating this incident for over a year decided to make this information public at the start of the Russian president's visit to India, at a time when the two countries planned to sign a memorandum on the construction of four additional reactors for a nuclear power plant in India," said Andrei Cherkasenko, board chairman of AtomPromResursy, a manufacturer of equipment for the nuclear power industry.

Cherkasenko said Georgia had not informed the International Atomic Energy Agency (the UN's nuclear watchdog) about the incident, and denied Georgia's allegations that Russian experts had refused to cooperate in the investigation.

He also said that the investigation had never produced evidence that the enriched uranium had been manufactured in Russia.


Vremya Novostei quotes:
Konstantin Zatulin, director of the CIS Countries Institute, told us that there is nothing surprising about operations where Georgian secret services work side by side with CIA. "US secret services have taken over. That's the policy of President Mikhail Saakashvili, you know," Zatulin said. "No wonder the story of the uranium-235 of alleged Russian origin surfaced now, following the Litvinenko incident." Zatulin doesn't rule out the possibility that the leak was arranged to portray Russia as a source of smuggled nuclear materials.

"The Georgian side has never approached the Embassy in connection with the matter," says Ivan Volynkin from the Russian Embassy in Tbilisi. "That's an old story. I don't know why they would drag it out into the spotlight now. Still, I wouldn't over- dramatize it or seek a connection with the ambassador's return, if I were you." The Information and Press Department of the Russian Foreign Ministry said no official statements had been made on the subject of the Russian's arrest in Georgia on charges of nuclear
materials smuggling. In other words, it had never confirmed or denounced the hypothesis on the Russian origin of the uranium in question.

Georgia used the news to put Abkhazia and South Ossetia under additional pressure, condemning the breakaway provinces as channels or routes for WMD smuggling. "The government of Georgia has been
insisting on stationing foreign observers along the Georgian-Russian border sectors on the territories of separatist Abkhazia and South Ossetia," the Foreign Ministry of Georgia announced yesterday.
"Shipments are frequently smuggled across the state border in these areas. It follows that there is the danger of WMD proliferation."


I'd read between the lines on all of these.
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Poisoned spy was a traitor

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:51 pm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 350687.ece

February 08, 2007

Poisoned spy ‘was a traitor working for the British secret services’
Tony Halpin in Moscow
Alexander Litvinenko was a traitor who would have deserved execution in Soviet times, his former chief in Russia’s security service said last night.

Alexander Gusak accused Litvinenko of helping British secret services unmask Russian spies after he fled to London from Moscow. He claimed that furious agents considered assassinating him in revenge.

“I consider him a direct traitor because he betrayed what is most sacred for any operative — his operational sources. His sources came to me and they complained that your [British] secret service officers had found them, and asked what to do,” Mr Gusak said.

Mr Gusak was Litvinenko’s former commander in the Organised Crime Division of the FSB, the successor to the Soviet KGB. He left the service in 1998, the same year that Litvinenko caused a sensation in Moscow by exposing an FSB plan to assassinate the billionaire oligarch Boris Berezovsky.

Mr Gusak, who now works as a lawyer, admitted that there had indeed been talk of a plot to kill Mr Berezovsky. But he insisted that Litvinenko was guilty of betraying his country.

“What Litvinenko did comes under Article 275 of the criminal code. It’s called treason. And there are sanctions; prescribed punishments. Up to 20 years in prison.

“I was brought up on Soviet law. That provides for the death penalty for treason — Article 64. I think if in Soviet times he had come back to USSR he would have been sentenced to death.”

Mr Gusak, who once headed a secret unit described by Litvinenko as a “death squad”, disclosed that he had been approached by FSB agents who believed their names had been passed to the British. “I’ll tell you honestly, I didn’t advise any of them to go and kill Litvinenko, though one of them did say: ‘Listen, he’s done you so much wrong — shall I bring you his head?’,” Mr Gusak told BBC TV’s Newsnight.

Mr Gusak’s decision to come forward with allegations against his former subordinate appears at odds with claims he made last November that Chechen separatists could have killed Litvinenko.

Mr Gusak said then that the murder could have been “blood vengeance” for the death of a captured Chechen militant in 1996. He and Litvinenko had been engaged in an operation against Chechen fighters in Dagestan, southern Russia.

“That evening, when I wanted to interrogate the Chechen, they told me that Litvinenko supposedly tortured him to death,” Mr Gusak told the daily Kommersant paper.

Mr Gusak confirmed Litvinenko’s allegation that a superior officer in their secret unit had ordered them to kill Mr Berezovsky in 1997, but he said that he had not taken the order seriously. He added, however: “If the director of the FSB, Nikolai [Kovalyov], had personally given me the order, I would have carried it out. ”

Mr Kovalyov was replaced as FSB director in 1998 by Vladimir Putin, who was in charge when Litvinenko exposed the plot at his press conference with four other FSB officers, who were all wearing masks to hide their identities.

President Putin has repeatedly dismissed Litvinenko’s allegations of this plot. He stated only last week that Litvinenko had been dismissed from the FSB for abusing detainees and stealing explosives.

Mr Kovalyov is now a senior deputy in the Duma, the lower house of Russia’s Parliament, and former deputy chairman of its security committee. He has already suggested that Mr Berezovsky was behind the murder of Litvinenko as part of an elaborate plot to discredit Mr Putin.

Litvinenko, 43, died in November after ingesting a massive dose of radioactive polonium210. He accused Mr Putin on his deathbed of ordering his execution, a claim strongly denied by the Kremlin.

Scotland Yard has sent a file to the Crown Prosecution Service, which is understood to accuse Andrei Lugovoy, a former KGB officer, and his business partner Dmitri Kovtun of involvement in a conspiracy to kill Litvinenko. Both men met him in London on November 1, the day he fell ill.

Relations between London and Moscow came under further strain last night when Russia complained that Britain was obstructing its attempt to send prosecutors to London to interview people it suspects of involvement in the case, including Mr Berezovsky.

Mikhail Kamynin, a Foreign Ministry spokesman, said that a request for assistance sent on January 8 had stll not been answered. Scotland Yard denied any delay.
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