Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project

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Postby Donovan » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:02 pm

Was not comfortable with Demons in Alien's Clothing- By Ron Patton. There was much interesting information but it seems to have a bias: sort of anti-occult, focus on demons etc. Not that those things are not real, they are. But demons are accepted as real in most concepts of spiritual development. And demons are ‘seen’ also by saints and mystics but they ‘go through this’, don’t stay there. Patton sees all occult training as ‘satanic’ etc. Reeked of God vs. Devil dualism.

Having some thoughts about multiples. Seems childhood trauma can create multiples. But are we seeing a pathology or something normal that is misused?

I have a few reincarnational memories, came in my early thirties. One I could not stop, had to just lie down for about ten hours and ‘live it’. The personalities are VERY different. So I have some concept of what LilyPat experiences. But who creates the separation? And what process lifts the veil so that memory of another returns? From that standpoint our soul is knowledgeable it what could be construed as ‘mind control techniques’. And perhaps benefic ‘other dimensional helpers’ are knowledgeable of these techniques as well.

At the start of psychic development, at the point where one realizes that such things as demons are ‘real’ there is a block of fear. This is something to transverse and as such it takes time to do this. Those first realizations are freaky. In time that ‘lower astral’ (for want of better term here) area is put in place.

Patton did make the point of noting that some civilizations have arrived with seeming advanced scientific knowledge. Then he talks about ‘human sacrifice’ and such. These always occurred in the civilization’s downfall. But I do feel that in general this present society has deliberately slowed down some ‘science/spiritual’ areas so that we did not get too far in advance of our group emotional development. In that respect such times as the ‘Dark Ages’ might in retrospect be seen as a smart move on our part.
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Postby LilyPatToo » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:00 am

kristinerosemary, you are a trooper! You read The Whole Thing?! :shock: Do you know how few humans have attempted that and ever returned to tell of it?!! Just kidding...sorta :wink:

The Witness thread was not the "life work" that I thought would be mine, but everyone needs a project, right? :roll: Thank you so much for what you said above. There are days when I think that no one is reading it and the sum total of my effort is just to annoy Whitley by keeping it up on his board (which he deliberately designed NOT to have any thread last longer than a few weeks....months at the very outside) :oops:

But in that massive body of text are the first-hand stories of Onesmartrat and of others of us who were wakened by her from our alien dreams. And there is almost nothing like that anywhere online...or if there is, I've not yet found it.

The mind control boards are 99% victims of broadcast MC, not the older trauma-based programs. I've found one active board for programmed multiples, but just about everyone there is a survivor of Ritual Abuse alone. A few have suspicions of government programming too, but no one is like me, with only a few clues pointing to RA and a ton pointing to the government programs.

So I keep that huge thread at UC alive, hoping that someone else like me will stumble in one day and be able to use at least some of the information. For me, it was Sue Ford's biography that had the most similarities to my mess, but she's been harrassed so much online that she no longer maintains a web presence and I don't blame her. There were only a few high-level slaves like her and, I suspect, far more who were used in humbler circumstances. They're out there somewhere.

Or perhaps one of my perps will read it, feel remorse and decide to "out" his former higher-ups (who most likely are long dead now)....But probably not.

jingofever, that document is completely new to me--thank you! I've read hundreds of those FOIA docs and seldom seen anything that so specifically acknowledges the writer's certain grasp of the fact that the program being discussed is "beyond the pale"--illegal and immoral and reprehensible. How I would LOVE to know what that redacted {b} paragraph was about!

Donovan, if you decide to drift off into the clouds of "alters as reincarnating souls", I'm afraid that you won't have my company. We once had an erudite and entertaining chap posting to the Witness thread who did that continually. Or tried to. The problem was that in doing so, he not only avoided confronting the very real people who were preying upon him, but he nearly carried away with him a bunch of nice folks who were desperate to NOT go where I was going, to *not look* at what had been done to us as human rights abuses, but as karma.

I sadly shooed him off the thread, because, while for him to avoid facing his (human) demons that way was his choice, it was mine to keep the Witness thread focused on this world and this life and governmental abuse of its citizens. Much as Dream's End is attempting to do with his blog. My rationale was that there are at any given time a quantity of threads discussing karma and reincarnation on UC and only one dissecting human-perpetrated mind control upon other human beings. This has not made either DE or I popular, but it perhaps it will make a real difference, in the real world.

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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:09 am

My favorite episode of the X files is the one where it starts out with a couple of kids getting kidnapped by grey alien types.

Then they are sitting there in a cage and the alien is sitting in another cage, smoking a durrie and repeating ad nauseum

"This is not happening... This is not happening."

Turns out the abductions by greys were a gov op of some sinister sort, and they all got kidnapped by a big red demon with a horn on its nose.

Thats a weird episode, seemed disjointed and out of synch.

There was a witness to the real kidnapping who was a truck driver. He bailed to california to start a new age UFO cult. :D



Demons and initiation and actual (weird shit) UFOs might be interesting to look at in terms of trauma based mind control... To me I can see how the processes make sense and could cross over. Among the first chapter's of Peter J Carrolls "Liber Null and Psychonaut" is a preparatory section for someone as a training program to begin the mind to practise chaos magic.

Its called "mind control".

And has exercises devoted to developing "mind control". They are not easy but seem to work.

He refers to Mind Control in the same way the NRA refer to gun control, being able to hit your target.

Those exercises are designed to help break down personality structures and enable people to ease into accessing other aspects of their personality. Part of the training for practising chaos magic.

In that context Demons are possibly real, possibly only aspects of the personality, or aspects of the primal drives of people or something.

This is aside from the alien abduction as a cover for MC programs.

I can imagine that using sexual physical and psychological trauma, and possibly certain drugs that give the user the experience (at least subjectively), of having extraordinary supernatural experiences could open all sorts of "doors" in the mind and through the mind. Things that are not always accessible.

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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:54 am

^^Having studied/practiced for years out of that precise book, I found it to be a useful tool, like meditation, yoga, or NLP. Carroll is very interesting in his dedication to avoiding moral judgement -- many passages from his work could be read as either chilling or inspiring.

Come to think of it, the same can be said for Crowley.

Regardless, there's no shortage of forces with a vested interest in controlling your minds. You might as well do it better than them.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:21 am

Yeah I tend to agree with you on pretty much everything you said, Wombat.

I don't think Carroll was into advocating child sacrifice or abuse tho. Although a couple of those reincarnation rites are pretty full on.

Regardless, there's no shortage of forces with a vested interest in controlling your minds. You might as well do it better than them.
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Spiritual Duality

Postby Trifecta » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:23 am

What is the difference between and Alien and a Demon?

I have seen demons that look like aliens, well more like the borg in star trek, but much uglier. I have seen past lifes/possesions in people from all walks of life, most not having a clue that these entities are in and around their beings. I have seen tree devas, the little green men to some, aliens to others..the lower astral realm. I have seen large translucent humaniods, that emit higher frequency's and empathy....none have made direct contact, except when a large wizard/dragon type being jumped me and asked for permission to stay and give me all the knowledge I ever wanted, simultaneously modifying my body posture and behaviour, that got an assured fuck off. I have faught with a prehistoric bat.

I don't have much of a memory of my childhood, have no soul recal or past life memories, cannot see any demons/past lifes/aliens/possesions within my own being. And yet, as I look through my life I have to admit to having what could be called a split personality or maybe nearer a camellion, nee shapeshifter. I have no recollection of any trauma based abuse, but have been told I was ritually abused as a child, my mother certainly was and her sisters...who knows.

The point I am making, is that at some level these experiences have similarities, they are in the subtle realms, when the logical mind takes over they vanish, but during the point of non focussed focus these myriad of creatures appear ... of course I could have an implant in my eyes of head, awaiting the day the sleeper wakes up?

So what do we have then?

Government/Millitary abuse which is without a doubt happening and has been happening for milenia (abusive)

Genuine off world/interterestrial contact (abusive/positive)

Demonic possesion (abusive)

Past life resonants (abusive/positive)

Maybe its a blip in the matrix programme, maybe its the dawning of the real reality, one things for sure at some level we give permission for it, except in the cae of abductions. Is the millitary false memory syndromes created to bring these entities in or is it a natural development within the multiverse..Perhaps it is the old story of good and evil, the darkhearts bring forth the negative entities as a power source, the white lighters bring forth the angels, no realm ever escaping the duality.... or other???
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Postby soulsurvivor » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:57 am

Rather than share pages of what might be non-revelant experiences for others, how's about I just share a summation of 56 years of what may be defined in this reality as "not normal" life experiences?

"Jesus" vision during a near-death experience - 1958
I shot a white dove through the heart with a BB gun - 1958
Lightening strike next to me - 1958


Had a series of 5 dreams that showed me the rest of my life - 1990
Saw my first UFO - 1990
First dream started with showing night bombing of Baghad - 1991
Continued with death of best friend - 1992
Coninued with successive deaths of 2 older family members - 1993
First dream ended with death of younger sister - 1994
Second dream in 1990 showed me my death and rebirth - Had first heart atack; I created an alternate reality for myself that was "here" in the physical reality without the use of drugs - 1997
Third dream in 1990 showed me my years of troubles - 1997 to present
Fourth dream in 1990 showed me what's next - I regain my health but I lose my husband and home to a great "wind"
Fifth and last dream was in 2 parts - the first part showed me and mom as lone survivors existing in a "9/11" type of environment and dying from starvation
The 2nd and last part to the last dream showed me and mom and other family living happily somewhere in the southern tropics and I physically change into a lighter human

I saw the black triangle craft - 1997
Witnessed a shape-shifter taking control of another human - 1997
Saw an odd bird not of this reality - 2003
Woke up from a dream and found myself levitating about 2 to 4 inches off the bed - 2003
Saw a huge orange UFO - 2003
Saw a huge mothership- sized gold UFO - 2004
Me and a coworker witnessed a shape-shifting UFO - 2004
Same coworker and myself had similar "abduction" dream and triangle marks on our hand/arm - 2004
Saw a fushia pink and turquoise blue right angle in the lower right western sky - with arm extended was half a fist-sized - 2004
Had second heart attack and experience with seeing inner self - 2004
Saw a silver UFO - this is the one I cussed because I had just gotten home from the hospital and I was still fighting to stay alive - 2004

Physically, I have limits, so I entertain myself online. Just as a lark, I participated in some online remote viewing experiences and did ok. I took it a step further in my experiments of communicating with inner self. I have more success when human emotion is involved. At the same time, it's a drain on my physical self, so I have had to discontinue the remote viewing experiences, especially the ones involved in speaking with the recently dead. I've been close to "there" before, so I think that's why some communication can happen. I "remote viewed" each of the 49 passengers of the Aug. 27 Lexington Comair crash.
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Postby Donovan » Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:16 pm

Osculum Infame,
I agree with your analysis. I just choose to put more emphasis on positive ‘contact’. And let the other go. This can be very difficult when you have been messed over with gov. ops from time to time. So it is something I need to continue to work on.
Same with ‘weird from astral’, tend to ignore and go on. Sometimes easy to get caught up in negative aspects as they are ‘so interesting’. Focus, intent, becoming a big deal with me.

Soulsurvivor,
What a list ! This stuff becomes interesting when others report the experiences with no attempt to put into boxes.

But the quote:
“…Regardless, there's no shortage of forces with a vested interest in controlling your minds. You might as well do it better than them….” From Wombat that Joe posted.

Exactly. So comes down to very personal choices. Much in selecting what to focus on and continue to let odd experiences of your own or others expand you.
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Postby Donovan » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:32 pm

Lilypat, you stated above (quote),
"...Donovan, if you decide to drift off into the clouds of "alters as reincarnating souls", I'm afraid that you won't have my company. We once had an erudite and entertaining chap posting to the Witness thread who did that continually. Or tried to. The problem was that in doing so, he not only avoided confronting the very real people who were preying upon him, but he nearly carried away with him a bunch of nice folks who were desperate to NOT go where I was going, to *not look* at what had been done to us as human rights abuses, but as karma. ..."

I did not mean to imply 'alters as reincarnating souls'. I was wondering if the operant system was the same. Are the screens between wake and sleep, between alters, between lives, these memory screens. Are they the same type of mechanisms?
Are creating alters by trauma a clumsey goonish way of doing something that our soul does?
The Mind Control Forum must have changed. It was not all mechanical, many trauma based ops there some years ago.
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Whew!

Postby LilyPatToo » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:28 am

Donovan, I'm relieved that I misunderstood you. I'm just not up to fighting that particular battle right now :? On UC, where almost every poster is very spiritually oriented, it was excruciatingly difficult to get folks to see that what was being lost (when that nice poster kept turning alters into reincarnated souls) was a vital focus on what humans were doing to other humans--illegally and unethically.

And I completely understood that natural desire to look away from disgusting violations of human rights and put the whole thing into esoteric terms and discuss that, instead. I got why the guy also loved the aliens who communicated with him and defended them no matter what the effects were on his life.

It's not that I don't understand, it's just that I know much I too would like it all to have some hidden meaning...some silver lining. And how seductive it can be to try to see it in hopeful terms instead of facing the fact that it was the work of sociopaths who preyed upon children and nonconsensual adults for their own ends and justified it with Cold War paranoia about Communists.

And on another note, a friend on another board says he's noticing tabloid mention of mind control--has anyone here seen that? A bit of "social conditioning" psy-ops perhaps? I've been thinking that it's about time for the MC survivors who've spoken up to be discredited in order to contain the damage done by the internet allowing more people access to information about MKULTRA and the other programs. Hope I'm wrong.

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Mind Games in the Washington post

Postby Trifecta » Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:03 am

Air Force Research Laboratory's [AFRL] Directed Energy Division
http://cryptome.org/rf-speech/rf-speech.htm

MC goes main stream:

Mind Games
New on the Internet: a community of people who believe the government is beaming voices into their minds. They may be crazy, but the Pentagon has pursued a weapon that can do just that.

By Sharon Weinberger
Sunday, January 14, 2007; Page W22

IF HARLAN GIRARD IS CRAZY, HE DOESN'T ACT THE PART. He is standing just where he said he would be, below the Philadelphia train station's World War II memorial -- a soaring statue of a winged angel embracing a fallen combatant, as if lifting him to heaven. Girard is wearing pressed khaki pants, expensive-looking leather loafers and a crisp blue button-down. He looks like a local businessman dressed for a casual Friday -- a local businessman with a wickedly dark sense of humor, which had become apparent when he said to look for him beneath "the angel sodomizing a dead soldier." At 70, he appears robust and healthy -- not the slightest bit disheveled or unusual-looking. He is also carrying a bag.

Girard's description of himself is matter-of-fact, until he explains what's in the bag: documents he believes prove that the government is attempting to control his mind. He carries that black, weathered bag everywhere he goes. "Every time I go out, I'm prepared to come home and find everything is stolen," he says.


Tuesday, Jan. 16, 2007 11 a.m. ET
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Sharon Weinberger fields questions and comments about a group of emerging activists convinced they are targets of a government mind-control plot.


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The bag aside, Girard appears intelligent and coherent. At a table in front of Dunkin' Donuts inside the train station, Girard opens the bag and pulls out a thick stack of documents, carefully labeled and sorted with yellow sticky notes bearing neat block print. The documents are an authentic-looking mix of news stories, articles culled from military journals and even some declassified national security documents that do seem to show that the U.S. government has attempted to develop weapons that send voices into people's heads.

"It's undeniable that the technology exists," Girard says, "but if you go to the police and say, 'I'm hearing voices,' they're going to lock you up for psychiatric evaluation."

The thing that's missing from his bag -- the lack of which makes it hard to prove he isn't crazy -- is even a single document that would buttress the implausible notion that the government is currently targeting a large group of American citizens with mind-control technology. The only direct evidence for that, Girard admits, lies with alleged victims such as himself.

And of those, there are many.

IT'S 9:01 P.M. WHEN THE FIRST PERSON SPEAKS during the Saturday conference call.

Unsure whether anyone else is on the line yet, the female caller throws out the first question: "You got gang stalking or V2K?" she asks no one in particular.

There's a short, uncomfortable pause.

"V2K, really bad. 24-7," a man replies.

"Gang stalking," another woman says.

"Oh, yeah, join the club," yet another man replies.

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Postby soulsurvivor » Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:37 am

In all my life, I've still never seen anything I would define as "alien". The shape-shifter wasn't human-like for sure, but I knew the human. I've never seen alien beings associated with any of my UFO experiences either. The "abduction" dream I referred to is posted on a separate forum, so I provided the link rather than post all that here yet again. But the ONLY thing I saw with that experience were camo pants and military-issue high-top black leather boots. I hold a personal theory that all UFO/alien experiences are based in human experience, be it from the future, past, or present. Time is a slippery thing. Add in the mind and it's a wild ride.

Apologies but the article is no longer available online.
http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles ... ping1.html
Published on: 8/22/1994
"Human tracking and monitoring technology are well within Calspan's sphere of pursuits. The company is instrumental in REDCAP, an Air Force electronic warfare system that winds through every Department of Defense facility in the country. A Pentagon release explains that REDCAP "is used to evaluate the effectiveness of electronic-combat hardware, techniques, tactics and concepts." The system "includes" closed-loop radar and data links at RF manned data fusion and weapons control posts."

That was 1994.

It's all human, and some are capable of much more than we know about or give them credit for knowing. That is exactly the way they want it to stay too.
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Postby Donovan » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:54 pm

What a group of comments !
LilyPat,
I too railed at those who saw everything in bright ‘new age’ terms. And slowly, in time, they are being educated. But I stayed too long in that fight and was neglecting myself. Saw that ‘guides’, angels, whatever had something to offer. Stressing the positive after having the gov. mess you over is hard. Even harder than the ‘it-is-all-sweet’ types seeing the negative. Take, I think you know her, Sullivan, woman who lives in Tenn. Husband ex paratrooper. She puts in some time to educate but does not make it the focus of her life. Still much wisdom in “best revenge is a happy life”.
So I put in my time. My court case still on MCF. Glad it is. Try to go against a US Attorney in motion hearings!! And because it had to be written in context of a RICO case it does not, could not, read well. So there is something to getting your story out. If that board, MCF, is still the same you story can be posted and remain forever. This allows you to move on. Back to military basics: you can only assault or maneuver and the rule is that you always send strong to weak, never weak to strong. Retreat is a basic maneuver. Militaries always retain much in reserve.
I believe the right spiritual advancement takes you past the ‘demons’ or whatever is in the lower astral. But spiritual development can draw opposition, as it did Ghandi and Jesus. Still, ‘all advance’ will knock you out.

Soulsurvivor,
Still cannot see humans doing all of this. Abducting an entire regiment (over 800 men) in broad daylight in 1915? Guy in Chili, military, well documented by rest of his squad, abducted and returned within minutes. His watch (which had days) advanced five days and he has a good growth of beard. Another in Brazil, very old man who grew new set of teeth. Where do UFOs on radar disappear to? But do get your point about time. Who are we? That is becoming the bigger question.

Osculum Infame,
Saw that article when it came out. I still go back to Carol Rosen, “First they will use the Cold War, and when that no longer works they will use the ‘terrorist threat’ and when that no longer works they will play the last card, the very last card…, the ‘alien threat’. So they seem go give information out. But there is design. In the long run it is good as all this is like water, with Internet it flows around them. The Neilson Ratings called me. I had worked in media measurement. (W.R.Simmons is to print as the Neilson Ratings are to TV). So thought it great that we were part of the sample. Great to tell them that we boxed up our TV, never use it, get our news from alternate Internet. Glad that is recorded, lol !

The person who grew a five day beard in a few minutes in Chili: He said he was told, “You don’t know who we are, but you will.” Good to see the full range. Those who have near-death experiences, or very inspired visions or guidance, those are not as sexy as some of the other high-strangeness, but super important. I now have as friends a number of people used by government as they had physic ability as a children. And know a few mulitples. And a good number with both real alien abduction and a good number with mil abduction (I have had both). In general the ‘secret government’ is in retreat. They are being carefully boxed in as the knowledge of multiple realities goes main stream.

In all this I have a large group of ‘spiritually orientated’ friends here. On the whole they are becoming very anti present government. That is good to see and a big change from a few years ago. They are being education, slowly but surely, as to all the types of things being discussed here. One group of friends that might be the least aware is in The Course On Miracles. But I still get much out of it. Think ‘forgiveness’ absolutely necessary so do that work. I know for some that sounds ‘head-in-sand’ new age.
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Postby LilyPatToo » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:15 pm

Glad you're grasping the "Big Picture *behind* the big picture", Donovan--that gives me real hope that the rest of the spiritual community is making progress too. One of the biggest obstacles to that is the MC programmed guru who may not even know that s/he's been messed with--almost always you'll find them preaching complete disengagement from politics or any other sort of Real World activism. In other words, "Stare fixedly at your navels and, emphatically, do NOT *EVER* peer behind the curtain!"

The followers never stop to ask that all-important question, "Cui bono?" Who benefits?

If most of the small pool of deeply empathic people on the planet can be neutralized/distracted, then the psychopaths/sociopaths/narcissists are granted free rein (or reign?) over things like mind control programs. And I suspect the Bad Guys figured that out long, long ago. Survivors of mind control programs need the understanding and compassion of spiritual people and the political process needs their participation to eliminate the predators from our government and intelligence services.

Re: the MCF--back before they were hacked (if I'm thinking of the same board), I had a long thread on my personal experiences, but I think it was lost in the hack and I've just not had the time or energy to begin again. I got the feeling that I was almost completely alone there and that few people were even vaguely interested in hearing about one of the older programs. At all. A very few folks who knew me from other boards kindly commented and encouraged me, but I felt utterly alien (:wink:) there...adrift in a sea of people far more paranoid than even I (!) who were (understandably) more caught up in what they were going through than in things like the sex slavery angle, for one example.

And, being not yet deprogrammed, most of my memories are of the circumstances that my 'front' alters recall--many of which involve things in which broadcast MC victims have no knowledge or interest--like the Mafia and handlers, etc. So I gave up on that sort of forum in favor of spending my limited energy on more potentially fruitful avenues.

soulsurvivor--YES. While I don't at all discount the possibility that other people may well have experienced real alien contact, all of my own remembered (so far) experiences involved phenomena that were well within the sphere of human covert, highly-classified knowledge and technology. The problem is that most people have no clue what these human spooks are capable of, so it seems mysterious to them--paranormal and possibly alien. Bugs the heck out of me :roll:

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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:33 pm

Everything I learned about 'alien abduction' I learned from Milton Erickson and Aldous Huxley's writing on hynopaedia.
CIA runs mainstream media since WWII:
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