What constitutes Misogyny?

[Canadian_watcher]

My husband and I have wonderful communication.

I have shared with him many of the insults and trolling and stalking and namecalling that I've been subject to within the last couple of months.

I have shared with him also the messages I've received behind the scenes, thanking me for being strong & standing up to the misogynist (and other) members here. There are people who claim they don't post because of it. Or that they do post but do not have the stomach to even try and defend themselves if belittled.

He has asked me why don't those people stand up also? Why don't they join you? I told him him that they were frightened to.

He made an astute comment when I told him that. He said, "Sounds like a great place."

[Plutonia]

Funny, I was thinking something along those lines today!

Glad to see you back C_W.

[Canadian_watcher]

Funny, I was thinking something along those lines today!

Glad to see you back C_W.

I hope you didn't take that as being directed at you, Plut. it was not, I give you my word.

take care.

[Plutonia]

Funny, I was thinking something along those lines today!

Glad to see you back C_W.

I hope you didn't take that as being directed at you, Plut. it was not, I give you my word.

take care.

Well, I hoped/thought/was pretty sure not. Good for you for saying the unsaid thing. And salute to all the silent ones!

Why do I feel like I'm attending a graduation? Lol. Be well, C_W.

[praeclarus]

Interestingly I can think of a number of men, but not women, who have initiated fights with me and beaten me up, refused to stop making physical sexual advances on me despite unmistakable rejection, threatened to kill or beat me with credible intent, bullied me physically, were provoked by my appearance or inoccuous mannerisms into calling me gay,* mugged me for money, projected physical dominance that brooked no opposition in various social situations, and spoke to me positively of their desire to rape the nearest drunk female. And that's just my own personal and I believe entirely typical experience, as a male.

Well then. Just back from my leave of absence and let me start by saying
I bit me tongue and waited all day to see how this load of bollocks was going
to fly. Apparently it flew.

However, I reckon I'm going to have to go ahead and call BS on that.

You've jumped, nay, pole vaulted, the shark with that one, Jack.

That is all. Carry on.

[JackRiddler]

Well then. Just back from my leave of absence and let me start by saying
I bit me tongue and waited all day to see how this load of bollocks was going
to fly. Apparently it flew.

However, I reckon I'm going to have to go ahead and call BS on that.

You've jumped, nay, pole vaulted, the shark with that one, Jack.

That is all. Carry on.

Are you calling me a liar about my own experiences? In that case: fuck you. Or is it that you disagree with my opinion that my experiences are typical? Either way, it doesn't matter. I don't claim any lasting traumas from these experiences. I didn't list them to bewail my misfortunes, but to catalogue a slice of everyday realities in a macho culture that encourages and often condones gendered violence. The macho culture's ideal man is a brute who cannot listen, although thankfully actual violence is only commited by a minority of men. I wish your denial was merely your individual failure. As we've seen on this thread, the mere description of gendered violence meets with resistance, changes of subject, and swift personal attacks on those who speak of it, all which serves to excuse it.

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[barracuda]

Interestingly I can think of a number of men, but not women, who have...

Lemme just go through that list:

- initiated fights with me and beaten me up,

I've been on both sides of that equation.

- refused to stop making physical sexual advances on me despite unmistakable rejection,

Yep, that one's happened to me.

- threatened to kill or beat me with credible intent,

I've done that and had it done to me, many times.

- bullied me physically,

Done and had done.

- were provoked by my appearance or inoccuous mannerisms into calling me gay,

Many times.

- mugged me for money,

I've missed out on that pleasure, actually.

- projected physical dominance that brooked no opposition in various social situations,

Absurdly common experience.

- and spoke to me positively of their desire to rape the nearest drunk female.

I've heard that a thousand times, at least, either colloquially or in earnest, if I've heard it ever. And I've heard it ever.

And that's just my own personal and I believe entirely typical experience, as a male.

I could add to the list, as well, any number of similar items of dog-standard daily experiences which would be familiar as these, equally stupid and equally male-typical. But then, as has been noted...

You're a bad person.

Yes, I am, and I can't help but love you so.

[praeclarus]

I had hopes that it would be obvious what I was talking
about but just to make sure there would be no doubt
I not only enlarge but also colorized the font on the item
of interest.

You've disappointed me twice today but I'll confess I
did get up on the overly optimistic side of the bed today.

Now then, since you brought it up and since you decided
to resort to aggressive macho language, let me just say that
a professional victim such as yourself really ought to consider
arming herself.

Oh, and fuck you too, Jack.

Pip pip.

[barracuda]

It's nice to see you two making with the male bonding.

[JackRiddler]

It's nice to see you two making with the male bonding.

Are you feeding the troll?

I discovered praeclarus's first TV appearance. It played a cloud:

[Stephen Morgan]

barracuda, why am I not surprised you go round picking fights and threatening to kill people?

[Stephen Morgan]

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

While I agree with JackRiddler that men are more inclined to use brute force, females are more inclined to manipulate, lie, deceit and trick. In other words the means are different, which probably can be explained through evolutionary psychology, but this doesn't say anything about the goals of one sex vs the other being so much loftier. Or does it?!

[brainpanhandler]

While I agree with JackRiddler that men are more inclined to use brute force, females are more inclined to manipulate, lie, deceit and trick. In other words the means are different, which probably can be explained through evolutionary psychology, but this doesn't say anything about the goals of one sex vs the other being so much loftier. Or does it?!

[brainpanhandler]

Interestingly I can think of a number of men, but not women, who have...

Lemme just go through that list:

- initiated fights with me and beaten me up,

I've been on both sides of that equation.

- refused to stop making physical sexual advances on me despite unmistakable rejection,

Yep, that one's happened to me.

- threatened to kill or beat me with credible intent,

I've done that and had it done to me, many times.

- bullied me physically,

Done and had done.

- were provoked by my appearance or inoccuous mannerisms into calling me gay,

Many times.

- mugged me for money,

I've missed out on that pleasure, actually.

- projected physical dominance that brooked no opposition in various social situations,

Absurdly common experience.

- and spoke to me positively of their desire to rape the nearest drunk female.

I've heard that a thousand times, at least, either colloquially or in earnest, if I've heard it ever. And I've heard it ever.

And that's just my own personal and I believe entirely typical experience, as a male.

I'd second all that and just add that I think many women would be shocked if they could listen to what a group of seemingly garden variety sexist men say about women when women aren't around. It's probably worse than you think.