Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[MacCruiskeen]

"Sidestep", says barracuda, stepping un-neatly aside. (It must be hard to step neatly with a broken bottom.)

[barracuda]

Send me a pm or something when you actually decide to publish your mea culpas.

[MacCruiskeen]

For what do you imagine I am culpable? Pray tell.

[barracuda]

I guess mostly for your inept attempt at characterizing her statements as just about nearly the complete opposite of what she actually said. But really, must we shilly-shally so? I'm not gonna do your work for you. And it's making the thread unreadable. I felt compelled to applaud her reply, leave it at that.

[MacCruiskeen]

I'm not gonna do your work for you.

There is this thing called irony... ah, forget it.

I felt compelled to applaud her reply, leave it at that.

Yes, you did. Yay, team. And yes, you will leave it at that. Nothing surer.

[barracuda]

Now you're not even making sense.

HTH

[compared2what?]

Then the only question left is, who stands to gain from this madness? Tyrants, Kings, and Fascists.

Funny you should ask. And answer. Because you know who benefits from the aggressove insistence that there's only one permissible view of political history to which any right-thinking and decent person can subscribe?

And who also benefits from treating all who mildly deviate from any part of it as if they'd mounted a hostile assault on all of it that must be suppressed for the greater good in order to keep the boundless forces of terror from corrupting the whole show?

Were you referring to anyone in particular here? I think we should be told, as opposed to insinuated-at.

No. I was just trying to explain why it's more anti-fascist to denounce people for their despicably treacherous beliefs in relation to the terms they themselves freely chose to use than it is to accuse them rhetorically of holding generally dissident and doctrinally corrupt views of stuff they never mentioned -- such as 9/11 or the Kennedy assassination -- before convening the Committee on Un-Conspiratorial Affairs Activities*** and asking them all to pledge allegiance to the concept of the deep state and sign loyalty oaths.

The reason being: The former isn't an authoritarian tactic.

I wasn't referring to you, certainly. No insinuations were intended. It was a point of principle, not personality. And I thought that was clear.

Wow. Did Mac pretty much just totally ignore compared2what?'s massive beat-down on page 126? I guess there really wasn't much choice in the matter, though.

Not that it's up to me. But I'd prefer that he didn't reply and that the thread move forward. FWIW.

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***ON EDIT: D'oh!

[Canadian_watcher]

I apologize if this has already been posted. I do not have any experience with this source, so take it as you see fit:

whole article: http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2013/05/04/Secrets-of-the-terrorist-underworld.html

What led me to recall all of this? An Armenian called Misha, whose real name is Mikhail Allakhverdov, and who did not only convert to Islam, but became a Salafist Jihadist Muslim. Misha met the Tsarnaev brothers, suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings last month, and was blamed for radicalizing the older brother! Is it a coincidence or more than that?

[MacCruiskeen]

Funeral-home airline service offers to help transport body of suspected Boston Marathon bomber to Russia

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the suspected Boston Marathon bombers, body was brought to Graham Mahoney and Putnam funeral home in Worcester on Thursday evening. (Kevin Koczwara/MassLive.com)

Kevin Koczwara, MassLive.com By Kevin Koczwara, MassLive.com The Republican

on May 07, 2013 at 7:21 PM, updated May 07, 2013 at 8:39 PM

An Indiana airline transportation specialist released a statement today offering to transport the body of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev to Russia via an international carrier at no charge.

Eagle's Wings Air, which provides logistical and shipping services to North American funeral homes, has said it will help with moving Tsarnaev's body out of support for the families affected during the bombing that occurred at this year's Boston Marathon, and for Graham, Putnam & Mahoney funeral director Peter Stefan, who took in Tsarnaev's body.

"As a logistics company serving funeral homes nationwide, we've been watching closely this unfortunate series of events unfold. We recognize the challenges faced by Graham Putnam & Mahoney Funeral Parlors of Worcester, MA, the funeral home where the remains of Tamerlan Tsarnaev currently reside, and its funeral director, Mr. Peter Stefan, in finding a final resting place for the remains of Tamerlan Tsarnaev," reads a statement from Frank Kaiser, the president and CEO of Eagle's Wings Air. "At the same time, we empathize with the residents of Cambridge and surrounding communities and their objections to having Tsarnaev's final resting place located near them. Many people in these communities -- and throughout the country -- believe the best solution is for Tsarnaev's remains to be transported out of the country and back to his native Russia.

"Today, as a show of support for Mr. Stefan and his funeral home, the people of Cambridge and surrounding communities, and all affected by this tragedy, we are offering to facilitate the air transportation of the deceased's remains out of the United States on an international commercial flight at no charge to the funeral home, the city of Cambridge or any taxpayers," continues Kaiser.

Tsarnaev's body arrived at Stefan's funeral home in the Main South neighborhood of Worcester last Thursday. Stefan has been trying to find a burial plot for the body but has so far been unsuccessful.

http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/ ... vie_o.html

Very decent of them. Sounds like an ideal solution. It will also allow the family to carry out an independent autopsy in their home country and to confirm the body's identity by means of DNA testing.

All it requires now is the approval of the Mayor of Boston and of the Russian authorities. What objection could they possibly have?

[FourthBase]

If the body is preserved enough to still be recognizable, and it's delivered to the family, then what would be the point of a DNA test? Couldn't the mother just say, "Yes, that's him"? (Unless the family is part of the setup?) Or are we now entertaining doppelganger theories? Might as well, if the Oswald parallel is to be explored. Hell, we still haven't discussed how similar/dissimilar Sunil and Dzo...uh, yeah, not even gonna try...the younger brother were in facial appearance. Maybe there's something there, to bark up, a sapling, a bush. Really. Maybe a bona fide tree.

Saw on the news one of Uncle Tsarni's three adult male friends. Video of the two walking briskly away from the funeral home, medium-distance, no good look at a face, but, dude looked (lol) Caucasian, was on crutches with a leg in a cast (!) and wearing a hat and sunglasses. Shady? Yep. Who are they? Still want to know, inquiring minds. And really couldn't care much less about ritual burial protocol whatever, don't care. Not moved. Bury him, yeah. somewhere. He's a human being. Anything else? Especially involving Tsarni? Just the facts. All religious sentimentality is irrelevant for the purposes of knowing the truth. Will not respond to any counter-reasoning on that, so, don't bother.

Speaking of knowing. Who is this airline? Who is the undertaker? What's the history of the funeral home? How did the body wind up there? What kind of egregore did it wake up in Worcester, lol? (cf. That gruesome story today.) What is the deal with every single named party in the body-burial issue to date? Every mosque (Denver?) and funeral home and airline and whatever. This is what a detective in the RIPD (Rigorous Intuition Police Department) would do for a living, follow up every single name, assume nothing is innocuous. None of us has the time, or frankly the incentive. But, as a collective we do.

[beeline]

well, if someone assassinates the suspect in his hospital bed or later that'll be something.

will it? I doubt it. All that has to happen is for the media to tell you that he got a bullet shaped injury in his forehead when slipped and whacked his skull on the shower nozzle in the bathroom and you'll believe them. After all, why wouldn't you?

This is simply conjecture. If and when he winds up dead, before trial, I will congratulate you on your powers of clairvoyance. Until then, let's try to stick to facts and/or theories supported by facts. McVeigh and Nichols were not assainated before their trials, and so far only James Holmes has attempted to take out James Holmes. Citing one assaination from over 50 years ago is wholly irrelevant.

[Canadian_watcher]

well, if someone assassinates the suspect in his hospital bed or later that'll be something.

will it? I doubt it. All that has to happen is for the media to tell you that he got a bullet shaped injury in his forehead when slipped and whacked his skull on the shower nozzle in the bathroom and you'll believe them. After all, why wouldn't you?

This is simply conjecture. If and when he winds up dead, before trial, I will congratulate you on your powers of clairvoyance. Until then, let's try to stick to facts and/or theories supported by facts. McVeigh and Nichols were not assainated before their trials, and so far only James Holmes has attempted to take out James Holmes. Citing one assaination from over 50 years ago is wholly irrelevant.

oh yes, let's please stick to 'facts.' I' hadn't heard about James Holmes' alleged suicide attempt, but I do have to ask you if you were on duty in the prison that night and watched him attempt to kill himself. If not, then I think you've kind of proven my point, above.

edit: of course it's conjecture! what isn't??

[beeline]

edit: of course it's conjecture! what isn't??

Eyewitness accounts. Photographs. Video. Fingerprints. DNA.

[Canadian_watcher]

edit: of course it's conjecture! what isn't??

Eyewitness accounts. Photographs. Video. Fingerprints. DNA.

Sure, but do you have many of those? If so, where do they come from? What does it say to you that the FBI didn't want anyone to even look at any photos other than the ones they sanctioned? I like photos and video, but they can be doctored no matter where they come from (which is why I like to look closely at the earliest of photos and videos posted, and I like to ask questions about them, cross check them, compare to video etc)

Eyewitness accounts can be accurate or inaccurate. They can be lies. The only hope is to look at a cross section of first hand accounts and compare them to videos/photos early media coverage, etc.

Here's an eyewitness for you to consider, if you haven't already. Ali Stevenson, as Mac keeps trying to introduce: http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx
everyone's ignoring this as if it's insignificant. is it insignificant? How can we tell if we don't look at it. Someone ought to REALLY interview this fella and try to find others who might have heard the same thing. Why isn't media doing that?

See, "non conjecture" puzzle pieces lead directly to conjecture. that's how it goes - and not just here (but where better than here or similar places where we haven't got anyone's future in our hands?) in police forces and crime labs, in the FBI and on the grand chessboard. Conjecture based on evidence is all there is, really.

[FourthBase]

edit: of course it's conjecture! what isn't??

Eyewitness accounts. Photographs. Video. Fingerprints. DNA.

Sure, but do you have many of those? If so, where do they come from? What does it say to you that the FBI didn't want anyone to even look at any photos other than the ones they sanctioned? I like photos and video, but they can be doctored no matter where they come from (which is why I like to look closely at the earliest of photos and videos posted, and I like to ask questions about them, cross check them, compare to video etc)

You are not the first person to bring that up. You keep acting like some of the questions you're asking and points you're making are things that other people have neglected, and if only we didn't then we'd see everything exactly like you do. Hate to break it to you, but you are not the only skeptic on the board. There are many of us. In fact, pretty much everyone. And, most of us are better at being skeptical, than you are. Frankly, you suck at it. Until you get better at it, you should do us all a favor and please just shut the fuck up as you take time to improve your critical thinking skills. Or, contribute less of That Which Fucking Sucks, and more of Good Thinking. Try it. Be better. Thanks.

Eyewitness accounts can be accurate or inaccurate. They can be lies. The only hope is to look at a cross section of first hand accounts and compare them to videos/photos early media coverage, etc.

Here's an eyewitness for you to consider, if you haven't already. Ali Stevenson, as Mac keeps trying to introduce: http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx
everyone's ignoring this as if it's insignificant. is it insignificant? How can we tell if we don't look at it. Someone ought to REALLY interview this fella and try to find others who might have heard the same thing. Why isn't media doing that?

Who the fuck are you talking about? Not us, for sure. Think better. We aren't stupid. We know as much as you do. We are quite intelligent, actually. Most of us smarter than you, apparently. And, actually, we know more than you do. So, sit down, shut the fuck up, eat some humble pie, and get back to us when you're better at this.

See, "non conjecture" puzzle pieces lead directly to conjecture. that's how it goes - and not just here (but where better than here or similar places where we haven't got anyone's future in our hands?) in police forces and crime labs, in the FBI and on the grand chessboard. Conjecture based on evidence is all there is, really.

Conjecture based on evidence.