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Postby conniption » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:52 pm

off-guardian
Dec 13, 2020

Why this campaign of terror? Never outside war time have populations been subjected to such outrageous assault and battery by government propaganda machines

Gillian Dymond

In the morning, the world is as the world should be. The sun rises, as predicted for this part of England in early December, at around twenty past eight. Shortly after this, I get up, go through the usual morning routines, have a quick breakfast, wash up, and am at my computer by ten o’clock. The hours pass unexceptionably until lunchtime. And then I can no longer put off the trip to the shops.

Going to the shops is something I do as little as possible nowadays. Once I might have walked in and out of the nearby town centre several times in a day, without thinking twice: but that was when I could move from home to street seamlessly, with no jarring transition between here and there.

Now it’s different. Now, beyond the protective confines of our home lies a parallel universe, a place of outlandish rituals and dogmas, where grotesquely masked figures pass each other warily on the street or, in the supermarket, lurk out-of-touch behind symbolic plastic screens. Instead of muzak, as I follow the prescribed route between the aisles, disembodied voices warn of death and disease, order me to protect myself and others by maintaining distance and keeping my plague-ridden exhalations to myself.

“We’re in this together!” they proclaim.

In less than a year some malign necromancy has transformed the fearless social beings who once thronged shops and cafés in the run-up to each Christmas into an infestation of dangerous, outsized germs: or, if scrupulous examination of the facts has left you confident that “the novel coronavirus” is no more threatening to moderately healthy people than the nastier brands of flu, into the crazed adherents of some apocalyptic cult.

Since I have spent the past nine months scrupulously examining the facts, the eyes now peering out at me over the inadequate face-covering of that woman beating a hasty retreat behind the cans of tuna as I approach are, it seems to me, those of a poor, unhinged lunatic. But then, I am an unbeliever. I do not wear the mask of allegiance. Marked out by the lanyard around my neck, I do my shopping as quickly as possible, and hurry back to the embattled sanity of domestic life.

Yes, even here embattled: for as the onslaught of propaganda continues without remission, only complete divorce from the outside world can afford protection. Fortunately, since the arrival of the computer I am beyond the reach of programmed television, but in order to wake to the accompaniment of pleasant but undemanding music, I used to put up with the intermittent smattering of adverts on Classic FM. Now that government has become the media’s most lucrative source of income, however, this is no longer tolerable. Who wants to be roused abruptly from sleep by inane incantations of “Hands! Face! Place!”, sometimes repeated twice within five minutes ?

“It’s just an actor!” my husband pleads with me, as I hurl execrations, and worse, at the radio. But whether it comes from actors or health ministers, the brain-washing stinks. “Don’t you just long for a nice commercial about sofas?” a friend asks mournfully, as we discuss the incremental take-over of advertising slots by the government’s ‘nudge unit‘. Even bona fide adverts from the likes of Boots and the big supermarkets are made nauseous by mealy-mouthed assurances of “safe” shopping. The only kind of safe shopping I long for is shopping safe from constant reminders of The Virus: shopping unmasked and convivially mingling; the chance to browse unimpeded in bookshops, and linger socially-undistanced over cups of coffee in a crowded café.

Why this campaign of terror, you have to ask? Why, in the midst of a genuine pandemic, would anyone need to be reminded unceasingly that death is dogging their footsteps? That at any moment The Virus, wafted abroad by some super-spreader passed fleetingly in the street, might be insinuating itself into one’s body – or, worse, that we ourselves, infected but unaffected, might be silently contaminating a loved-one?

The short answer is, they wouldn’t. In a genuine pandemic, this constant mental battering would be superfluous. If the Black Death were raging outside my door, government would know full well that they didn’t have to fork out millions to convince me to stay inside; more likely, they would have to pay me to leave the house.

Yet this government has bought the mass media lock, stock and barrel, at vast expense, with the sole purpose, it seems, of hammering home a message of impending doom. Instead of calming our fears with facts and rational arguments, they have seen fit to flood the airwaves with slogans calculated to maintain panic; with disingenuous appeals to the emotions; with out-of-context death counts, wilful obfuscation of the difference between cases and infections, a criminally dodgy PCR test and graphs and computer models (rubbish in, rubbish out) carefully selected to emphasise the worst possible eventualities.

And not content to cow us into submission with a constant diet of skewed and incomplete information, they have unleashed the army’s 77 Brigade to troll social media exchanges and snuff out any lingering dissent – or, as the government prefer to call it, “misinformation“. The aim can only be to induce maximum public terror in the face of a virus which, without all this deceptive ballyhoo, would hardly have been noticed by the population at large.

Why are they doing this ? Surely, by now, they must be aware that increasing numbers of highly esteemed and experienced scientists contest policies which are killing vastly more people than they are saving, and which will go on killing well into the future!

True, non-scientists could get lost in all the reams of conflicting information churned out since we were first put on terror alert back in February and March, but one question is both fundamental and easily answered: are excess mortality figures for this year significantly above average? Only a huge and sustained divergence from the norm would indicate the presence of a new disease deadly enough to justify the extraordinary measures the government have taken.

The Euromomo charts for the UK show no such anomaly. In Northern Ireland there has never been any substantial increase in deaths overall. In Wales, too, mortality has hardly diverged from the normal range. Scotland had a well-above-average peak in the spring, but since then has remained almost entirely within the bounds of normality. Even populous England, despite a death rate which soared sharply to a great height in March before falling equally sharply back by the middle of June, has spent most of the year chugging along below the “substantial increase” line, with the usual increase as winter approaches. A further chart at Covid-19 in Proportion? shows that

Levels of mortality in 2019/2020 are very similar to those suffered in 1999/2000


Definitely not the Black Death, then, nor even the 1918 influenza. In fact, one of the world’s premier epidemiologists, John Ioannidis, has long been assuring us that the infection fatality rate of Covid-19 is comparable with that of a bad flu. His early estimate, in March, of a case fatality rate in the general population of between 0.05% and 1.0%, as indicated by the outbreak on the cruise ship Diamond Princess – a conclusion for which the eminent professor was, hilariously, censored by the non-scientists at YouTube.

Yet now we are being told that only mass vaccination against this fairly run-of-the-mill virus will allow us to return to any semblance of normal life. By special dispensation, millions of doses of insufficiently tested vaccine are already in the pipeline, with a guarantee of no come-back for Big Pharma or for doctors turning a blind eye to the precept “First to do no harm”, should those treated be hit with damaging repercussions on their health or, indeed, on life itself.

We are told that we should all accept the suspect panacea regardless, in order to beat “this dreadful virus”: it’s quite safe – honest, you’ve got my word for it, says Matt Hancock. Yet, side-effects apart, there is no assurance that the Pfizer vaccine, received with jubilation on 8th December by its first grateful recipient, will be effective in preventing either the disease or its transmission: and even if it does turn out to offer initial protection, this may last for as little as three months, so presumably regular repeat injections will be required.

What? Repeat injections! Are the young and healthy facing a lifetime of booster shots against a disease that is dangerous almost exclusively to the old and sick ? And if this isn’t crazy enough, we are being told that, even while being turned into human pin-cushions, we will probably need to go on wearing masks and holding our friends and family at arm’s length well into the future: a future, it is hinted, of health passports and routine mass surveillance, if we wish to travel on public transport or generally engage in life beyond our doorstep.

This, it seems, will be the New Normal – but not to worry! After all, you’re already masking up automatically when you leave the house, aren’t you, and following the one-way footsteps on the pavement as a matter of course? And if it becomes too much of a nuisance to carry your proof of vaccination around with you, well, we should soon be able to offer you the trouble-free alternative of an implanted microchip, to cover all eventualities: health; finance; your social credit score …

Sometimes I think it would be better to be one of the masked zombies. Trusting, obedient, they live in a world which, though threatening, they understand and accept. It is real to them. They know, unquestioningly, that a dreadful plague has been visited upon us, a plague which threatens to wipe out the species: and they know that if they wear their masks faithfully, wash their hands a thousand times a day and steer clear of other human beings, they will be doing their bit to save the nation, and, eventually, be granted the supreme unction of a vaccine; after which, they believe, everything will go back to normal – perhaps with a few more bicycle lanes and wind farms, and somewhat fewer jobs – but hey! – what will that matter, when the nice, compassionate government is promising us all a Universal Basic Income?

For the rest of us, it’s not so simple. The rest of us must live in a world where our own perceptions are remorselessly challenged by the prevailing lie. Guided by rational thought processes and the evidence, we know that we are at no more risk from Covid-19 this year than we were in previous years from one of the more aggressive strains of influenza, but as soon as we venture into the outside world, everything contradicts our inner reality: and though we may not participate actively in the maskerade, we are condemned to a perpetual state of cognitive dissonance, compelled to acquiesce silently in the grand illusion being played out all around us, under the direction of the government.

And to what end ?

If it were ever possible to put the enormities which have taken place since last March down to mere blundering, it certainly is not now. The argument that the government has simply blundered, and is now trying to save face by digging itself in deeper does not wash. Nor does the line about saving the NHS. The NHS has regularly survived winter flu seasons which saw beds lined up in corridors and staff rushed off their feet.

Besides, the Nightingale hospitals were quickly whisked into existence: and if the amount of money poured by the government into fear porn and the purchase of dud PCR tests and hastily concocted vaccines had been diverted into more beds, plus better pay for nurses and other non-administrative staff, the lesson might at last have been learned, and future winters made less chaotic.

It was obvious from the start to anyone with a basic education who bothered to check the facts that closing down the economy would be more damaging to life and limb than any virus. Why was this not also obvious to a prime minister with a PPE degree from Oxford, who is surrounded by whole cohorts of colleagues and advisers armed with equally prestigious qualifications?

Even granting an initial surge of panic when faced with hysterical predictions from the Imperial College fortune-telling team, it would have been possible to withdraw in fairly good order after the first lockdown, when many scientists were already saying that the danger had been exaggerated, that the virus was now endemic, and widespread natural immunity was in sight.

Why didn’t our government seize the opportunity, in June, to give themselves a pat on the back, announce that the lockdown had worked, and ease us all back into rationality via an interval of sensible voluntary precautions, as practised in Sweden?

Given a modification of the propaganda, the country would have believed them. When adroitly handled by the Behavioural Insights Team the country, it appears, will believe anything.

Why, then, insist on sticking to the advice of SAGE, and continuing to give credence to the serially failed speculations of Neil Ferguson, rather than attending to the more balanced suggestions offered by Carl Heneghan and Sunetra Gupta?

Instead, the government chose to fan the flames of fear with an intensification of propaganda and orders to mask up, extending the reign of unjustified terror into the autumn, when the annual onset of respiratory diseases began to fill up hospital beds, and allowed the death counts and lockdowns to resume. One by one, those small businesses which survived the first onslaught are giving up the ghost, and it seems that our rulers will not rest content until every last man, woman and child in Britain has been thrown into the linked arms of corporate and state dependency.

What price conspiracy “theories” now ? What we are dealing with are facts.

As countries throughout the world commit consensual suicide to a rousing chorus of “Build Back Better!”, what makes more sense? To shake the head in puzzlement, that so many nations, with one accord, should not only have made exactly the same mistakes earlier this year, but are now insisting, in unison, on entrenching the evils that have been unleashed ?

Or to contemplate the possibility that a network of powerful supranational agencies – banks, corporations, NGOs – have for some time been collaborating to direct the course of world events through placemen and beneficiaries in local and national governments and their attendant bureaucracies, and that “the novel coronavirus” is being used to achieve the final push into an era of artfully camouflaged “global governance”: an era where policies devised by centralised, unelected committees are handed down to elected heads of state in the shells of what were once independent nations, and passed on by them to regional mayors and administrators for implementation and enforcement.

I caught the Asian flu in 1957. So did my mother: the only time I ever knew her to take a couple of days off work. The infection swept through the country, and tens of thousands died. In 1968 the Hong Kong flu passed me by, but once again the death toll was in the tens of thousands.

On neither occasion was it considered necessary to destroy millions of lives and livelihoods by closing the country down, nor was any attempt made to terrorise its inhabitants. Covid-19 is no more lethal than either of those previous infections – less so, unless you actually believe that all those currently described as dying “with Covid”, or dying within 28 days of testing positive, actually died from Covid. Never before have such destructive policies been inflicted on the nation in a futile attempt to wipe out a virus. Never before, outside war time, has the population of the UK been subjected to such outrageous assault and battery by a government propaganda machine.

Draw what conclusion you will. I’m off to feed the ducks. They don’t do anti-social distancing, and they don’t wear masks.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/13/why ... of-terror/
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:25 pm

Cordelia » 15 Dec 2020 07:07 wrote:
Joe Hillshoist » Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:37 pm wrote:
Cordelia » 14 Dec 2020 03:58 wrote:@Joe Hillshoist



You are right, we should cull the old and infirm.


I've grown so, so tired of this emotive, mindless comeback from herd population group-speak . :wallhead:




My response above was my knee-jerk reaction to what I perceive to be a knee-jerk reaction from people who brand people quoting age and health statistics as embracing eugenics. (I didn't mean you personally.)

My mother is 75 and should have a decade of life left based on her side of the family's genetics. I have alot of friends in that age group too, many of whom have potential underlying respitory conditions from years of smoking or exposure to fires. I also have respitory damage, some from smoking some from decades of volunteer fire fighting. I love how people value the economy more than people like me.

And I get really pissed off when I see people say "Its only old people who die from this" as if they don't matter. My mother matters.


Of course she does and I apologize for coming across as being uncompassionate or indifferent. :praybow

Words escape me maybe because I'm finding more and more of what is happening to be overwhelming and incomprehensible. So much pain and suffering, God help us all.


Its all good.

I can argue robustly and aggressively without really buying into feeling or feeling its personal that way so i try not to take it personally if other people get as passionate. They usually have good reasons for it and I appreciate you sticking up for BelSav. Its an intense time and we're all stressed out and seeing things we've never seen before.

:lovehearts: :hug2:

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:46 pm

conniption » 15 Dec 2020 09:52 wrote:
off-guardian
Dec 13, 2020

Why this campaign of terror? Never outside war time have populations been subjected to such outrageous assault and battery by government propaganda machines

Gillian Dymond

In the morning, the world is as the world should be. The sun rises, as predicted for this part of England in early December, at around twenty past eight. Shortly after this, I get up, go through the usual morning routines, have a quick breakfast, wash up, and am at my computer by ten o’clock. The hours pass unexceptionably until lunchtime. And then I can no longer put off the trip to the shops.

Going to the shops is something I do as little as possible nowadays. Once I might have walked in and out of the nearby town centre several times in a day, without thinking twice: but that was when I could move from home to street seamlessly, with no jarring transition between here and there.

Now it’s different. Now, beyond the protective confines of our home lies a parallel universe, a place of outlandish rituals and dogmas, where grotesquely masked figures pass each other warily on the street or, in the supermarket, lurk out-of-touch behind symbolic plastic screens. Instead of muzak, as I follow the prescribed route between the aisles, disembodied voices warn of death and disease, order me to protect myself and others by maintaining distance and keeping my plague-ridden exhalations to myself.

“We’re in this together!” they proclaim.

In less than a year some malign necromancy has transformed the fearless social beings who once thronged shops and cafés in the run-up to each Christmas into an infestation of dangerous, outsized germs: or, if scrupulous examination of the facts has left you confident that “the novel coronavirus” is no more threatening to moderately healthy people than the nastier brands of flu, into the crazed adherents of some apocalyptic cult.

Since I have spent the past nine months scrupulously examining the facts, the eyes now peering out at me over the inadequate face-covering of that woman beating a hasty retreat behind the cans of tuna as I approach are, it seems to me, those of a poor, unhinged lunatic. But then, I am an unbeliever. I do not wear the mask of allegiance. Marked out by the lanyard around my neck, I do my shopping as quickly as possible, and hurry back to the embattled sanity of domestic life.

Yes, even here embattled: for as the onslaught of propaganda continues without remission, only complete divorce from the outside world can afford protection. Fortunately, since the arrival of the computer I am beyond the reach of programmed television, but in order to wake to the accompaniment of pleasant but undemanding music, I used to put up with the intermittent smattering of adverts on Classic FM. Now that government has become the media’s most lucrative source of income, however, this is no longer tolerable. Who wants to be roused abruptly from sleep by inane incantations of “Hands! Face! Place!”, sometimes repeated twice within five minutes ?

“It’s just an actor!” my husband pleads with me, as I hurl execrations, and worse, at the radio. But whether it comes from actors or health ministers, the brain-washing stinks. “Don’t you just long for a nice commercial about sofas?” a friend asks mournfully, as we discuss the incremental take-over of advertising slots by the government’s ‘nudge unit‘. Even bona fide adverts from the likes of Boots and the big supermarkets are made nauseous by mealy-mouthed assurances of “safe” shopping. The only kind of safe shopping I long for is shopping safe from constant reminders of The Virus: shopping unmasked and convivially mingling; the chance to browse unimpeded in bookshops, and linger socially-undistanced over cups of coffee in a crowded café.

Why this campaign of terror, you have to ask? Why, in the midst of a genuine pandemic, would anyone need to be reminded unceasingly that death is dogging their footsteps? That at any moment The Virus, wafted abroad by some super-spreader passed fleetingly in the street, might be insinuating itself into one’s body – or, worse, that we ourselves, infected but unaffected, might be silently contaminating a loved-one?

The short answer is, they wouldn’t. In a genuine pandemic, this constant mental battering would be superfluous. If the Black Death were raging outside my door, government would know full well that they didn’t have to fork out millions to convince me to stay inside; more likely, they would have to pay me to leave the house.

Yet this government has bought the mass media lock, stock and barrel, at vast expense, with the sole purpose, it seems, of hammering home a message of impending doom. Instead of calming our fears with facts and rational arguments, they have seen fit to flood the airwaves with slogans calculated to maintain panic; with disingenuous appeals to the emotions; with out-of-context death counts, wilful obfuscation of the difference between cases and infections, a criminally dodgy PCR test and graphs and computer models (rubbish in, rubbish out) carefully selected to emphasise the worst possible eventualities.

And not content to cow us into submission with a constant diet of skewed and incomplete information, they have unleashed the army’s 77 Brigade to troll social media exchanges and snuff out any lingering dissent – or, as the government prefer to call it, “misinformation“. The aim can only be to induce maximum public terror in the face of a virus which, without all this deceptive ballyhoo, would hardly have been noticed by the population at large.

Why are they doing this ? Surely, by now, they must be aware that increasing numbers of highly esteemed and experienced scientists contest policies which are killing vastly more people than they are saving, and which will go on killing well into the future!

True, non-scientists could get lost in all the reams of conflicting information churned out since we were first put on terror alert back in February and March, but one question is both fundamental and easily answered: are excess mortality figures for this year significantly above average? Only a huge and sustained divergence from the norm would indicate the presence of a new disease deadly enough to justify the extraordinary measures the government have taken.

The Euromomo charts for the UK show no such anomaly. In Northern Ireland there has never been any substantial increase in deaths overall. In Wales, too, mortality has hardly diverged from the normal range. Scotland had a well-above-average peak in the spring, but since then has remained almost entirely within the bounds of normality. Even populous England, despite a death rate which soared sharply to a great height in March before falling equally sharply back by the middle of June, has spent most of the year chugging along below the “substantial increase” line, with the usual increase as winter approaches. A further chart at Covid-19 in Proportion? shows that

Levels of mortality in 2019/2020 are very similar to those suffered in 1999/2000


Definitely not the Black Death, then, nor even the 1918 influenza. In fact, one of the world’s premier epidemiologists, John Ioannidis, has long been assuring us that the infection fatality rate of Covid-19 is comparable with that of a bad flu. His early estimate, in March, of a case fatality rate in the general population of between 0.05% and 1.0%, as indicated by the outbreak on the cruise ship Diamond Princess – a conclusion for which the eminent professor was, hilariously, censored by the non-scientists at YouTube.

Yet now we are being told that only mass vaccination against this fairly run-of-the-mill virus will allow us to return to any semblance of normal life. By special dispensation, millions of doses of insufficiently tested vaccine are already in the pipeline, with a guarantee of no come-back for Big Pharma or for doctors turning a blind eye to the precept “First to do no harm”, should those treated be hit with damaging repercussions on their health or, indeed, on life itself.

We are told that we should all accept the suspect panacea regardless, in order to beat “this dreadful virus”: it’s quite safe – honest, you’ve got my word for it, says Matt Hancock. Yet, side-effects apart, there is no assurance that the Pfizer vaccine, received with jubilation on 8th December by its first grateful recipient, will be effective in preventing either the disease or its transmission: and even if it does turn out to offer initial protection, this may last for as little as three months, so presumably regular repeat injections will be required.

What? Repeat injections! Are the young and healthy facing a lifetime of booster shots against a disease that is dangerous almost exclusively to the old and sick ? And if this isn’t crazy enough, we are being told that, even while being turned into human pin-cushions, we will probably need to go on wearing masks and holding our friends and family at arm’s length well into the future: a future, it is hinted, of health passports and routine mass surveillance, if we wish to travel on public transport or generally engage in life beyond our doorstep.

This, it seems, will be the New Normal – but not to worry! After all, you’re already masking up automatically when you leave the house, aren’t you, and following the one-way footsteps on the pavement as a matter of course? And if it becomes too much of a nuisance to carry your proof of vaccination around with you, well, we should soon be able to offer you the trouble-free alternative of an implanted microchip, to cover all eventualities: health; finance; your social credit score …

Sometimes I think it would be better to be one of the masked zombies. Trusting, obedient, they live in a world which, though threatening, they understand and accept. It is real to them. They know, unquestioningly, that a dreadful plague has been visited upon us, a plague which threatens to wipe out the species: and they know that if they wear their masks faithfully, wash their hands a thousand times a day and steer clear of other human beings, they will be doing their bit to save the nation, and, eventually, be granted the supreme unction of a vaccine; after which, they believe, everything will go back to normal – perhaps with a few more bicycle lanes and wind farms, and somewhat fewer jobs – but hey! – what will that matter, when the nice, compassionate government is promising us all a Universal Basic Income?

For the rest of us, it’s not so simple. The rest of us must live in a world where our own perceptions are remorselessly challenged by the prevailing lie. Guided by rational thought processes and the evidence, we know that we are at no more risk from Covid-19 this year than we were in previous years from one of the more aggressive strains of influenza, but as soon as we venture into the outside world, everything contradicts our inner reality: and though we may not participate actively in the maskerade, we are condemned to a perpetual state of cognitive dissonance, compelled to acquiesce silently in the grand illusion being played out all around us, under the direction of the government.

And to what end ?

If it were ever possible to put the enormities which have taken place since last March down to mere blundering, it certainly is not now. The argument that the government has simply blundered, and is now trying to save face by digging itself in deeper does not wash. Nor does the line about saving the NHS. The NHS has regularly survived winter flu seasons which saw beds lined up in corridors and staff rushed off their feet.

Besides, the Nightingale hospitals were quickly whisked into existence: and if the amount of money poured by the government into fear porn and the purchase of dud PCR tests and hastily concocted vaccines had been diverted into more beds, plus better pay for nurses and other non-administrative staff, the lesson might at last have been learned, and future winters made less chaotic.

It was obvious from the start to anyone with a basic education who bothered to check the facts that closing down the economy would be more damaging to life and limb than any virus. Why was this not also obvious to a prime minister with a PPE degree from Oxford, who is surrounded by whole cohorts of colleagues and advisers armed with equally prestigious qualifications?

Even granting an initial surge of panic when faced with hysterical predictions from the Imperial College fortune-telling team, it would have been possible to withdraw in fairly good order after the first lockdown, when many scientists were already saying that the danger had been exaggerated, that the virus was now endemic, and widespread natural immunity was in sight.

Why didn’t our government seize the opportunity, in June, to give themselves a pat on the back, announce that the lockdown had worked, and ease us all back into rationality via an interval of sensible voluntary precautions, as practised in Sweden?

Given a modification of the propaganda, the country would have believed them. When adroitly handled by the Behavioural Insights Team the country, it appears, will believe anything.

Why, then, insist on sticking to the advice of SAGE, and continuing to give credence to the serially failed speculations of Neil Ferguson, rather than attending to the more balanced suggestions offered by Carl Heneghan and Sunetra Gupta?

Instead, the government chose to fan the flames of fear with an intensification of propaganda and orders to mask up, extending the reign of unjustified terror into the autumn, when the annual onset of respiratory diseases began to fill up hospital beds, and allowed the death counts and lockdowns to resume. One by one, those small businesses which survived the first onslaught are giving up the ghost, and it seems that our rulers will not rest content until every last man, woman and child in Britain has been thrown into the linked arms of corporate and state dependency.

What price conspiracy “theories” now ? What we are dealing with are facts.

As countries throughout the world commit consensual suicide to a rousing chorus of “Build Back Better!”, what makes more sense? To shake the head in puzzlement, that so many nations, with one accord, should not only have made exactly the same mistakes earlier this year, but are now insisting, in unison, on entrenching the evils that have been unleashed ?

Or to contemplate the possibility that a network of powerful supranational agencies – banks, corporations, NGOs – have for some time been collaborating to direct the course of world events through placemen and beneficiaries in local and national governments and their attendant bureaucracies, and that “the novel coronavirus” is being used to achieve the final push into an era of artfully camouflaged “global governance”: an era where policies devised by centralised, unelected committees are handed down to elected heads of state in the shells of what were once independent nations, and passed on by them to regional mayors and administrators for implementation and enforcement.

I caught the Asian flu in 1957. So did my mother: the only time I ever knew her to take a couple of days off work. The infection swept through the country, and tens of thousands died. In 1968 the Hong Kong flu passed me by, but once again the death toll was in the tens of thousands.

On neither occasion was it considered necessary to destroy millions of lives and livelihoods by closing the country down, nor was any attempt made to terrorise its inhabitants. Covid-19 is no more lethal than either of those previous infections – less so, unless you actually believe that all those currently described as dying “with Covid”, or dying within 28 days of testing positive, actually died from Covid. Never before have such destructive policies been inflicted on the nation in a futile attempt to wipe out a virus. Never before, outside war time, has the population of the UK been subjected to such outrageous assault and battery by a government propaganda machine.

Draw what conclusion you will. I’m off to feed the ducks. They don’t do anti-social distancing, and they don’t wear masks.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/13/why ... of-terror/


The nastiest strain of flu wiped out between 3 and 10% of the human population particularly the young and healthy.

So re read the article with that in mind.

The author mentions two flus from 40 - 55 years ago and their 5 figure death toll. Even if we leave aside the probability that this virus will see at least 6 figure death tolls in the UK, isn't a good thing that as a society we are no longer so blase about 10,000s of people dying from what is essentially a preventable illness?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:59 pm

conniption » 15 Dec 2020 09:52 wrote:
off-guardian


The Euromomo charts for the UK show no such anomaly. In Northern Ireland there has never been any substantial increase in deaths overall. In Wales, too, mortality has hardly diverged from the normal range. Scotland had a well-above-average peak in the spring, but since then has remained almost entirely within the bounds of normality. Even populous England, despite a death rate which soared sharply to a great height in March before falling equally sharply back by the middle of June, has spent most of the year chugging along below the “substantial increase” line, with the usual increase as winter approaches.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/13/why ... of-terror/


So according to this author their sharply soaring death in England rate fell in mid June, before the lockdown ended in early July.

So a soaring death rate inspired a lock down and then the death rate fell at which point the lock down ended.

Surely this is evidence that the lock down was necessary to slow a soaring death rate.

Or was it just a coincidence that the change in infection rate and subsequent death rate matches the period of the lock down?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:26 pm

Joe Hillshoist » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:59 pm wrote:So according to this author their sharply soaring death in England rate fell in mid June, before the lockdown ended in early July.

So a soaring death rate inspired a lock down and then the death rate fell at which point the lock down ended.

Surely this is evidence that the lock down was necessary to slow a soaring death rate.

Or was it just a coincidence that the change in infection rate and subsequent death rate matches the period of the lock down?


The much-attacked Sweden underwent the same pattern as the UK (slightly lower) without adopting a full lockdown or closing schools. Here's a direct comparison.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus- ... erSort=asc

The nastiest strain of flu wiped out between 3 and 10% of the human population particularly the young and healthy.


Not sure which you refer to in the modern period. The death toll for the 1918-19 flu in the U.S. (possibly hardest hit) is estimated at 700,000, out of 106 million population. That did hit the young and healthy.

But okay, let's say that now we have the means to minimize this kind of death from pandemic. Shouldn't we want to minimize the death toll resulting from the means adopted?

What has been the death toll of economic depressions, especially those completely ignored and treated as a big joke, like in the U.S. currently with its policy of fucking the afflicted and protecting only the big corporations and billionaires? (In the first phase, those who were still employed and generally paid the worst were labeled essential and forced to do labor under pandemic-hazardous conditions, while the rest got sort of some inadequate money. In the current phase, everyone's effectively inessential and can fuck off and die, which was one reason why Trump with his idiocy and fascist promise could still maintain such a large chunk of the vote.)

What is the cost of the accompanying massive consolidations of wealth, mass unemployment, mass anxiety, bankruptcies and evictions (about to start again in January), and the further social and political disasters that often follow? Do the world wars count as examples of the latter?

Or what is the cost of the conversion proposed by the most ardent Reset motherfuckers, of the whole society becoming a total continuous surveillance of bodies via card, badge, chip, camera systems, that monitor heartbeat and temperature in real time forevermore, and with access to various places and possibly services becoming dependent on a vaccination schedule?

These are all literally inestimable by comparison, it is true. I mean inestimable in the sense of don't fucking know, can't fucking estimate, too many variables, causalities debatable, a subject of big debate that, however, needs to be seen as legitimate and not waved off by saying, oh look, you have classified the people who will die from the pandemic as expendable by even talking about this.

I asked you above and you probably missed it, busy thread: What's Australia been providing in terms of relief for lost incomes due to the measures and the contraction? Because currently, in the U.S., it's a shit sandwich and blaming everything, but everything, on insufficient wearing of masks, with talk of the desperate poverty into which tens of millions have been plunged mainly treated as whining.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:33 pm

The worldwide Spanish Flu death toll was between 50 and 150 million people out of a population of 1.5 billion at the time. That's off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure its accurate.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:57 pm

The Swedish death toll is significantly higher. Its approx 33% more people by my reading of that graph. Plus there are serious questions about Sweden's counting in the early stages of that pandemic iirc. April seems like years ago now but there were these reports around April May that stated many deaths weren't being attributed to Corona even tho those people most likely were killed by it.

Here's the thing, if you are not healthy and you catch something that overwhelms your immune system its what killed you. Comorbidities might contribute but really they are a background of lowered life expectancy.

And this is part of my issue with all this ... the suicide Jeff tweeted about is tragic but there is a chance something else would have triggered it if that person suffered bouts of serious depression. So the lockdown contributed but wasn't the only cause. Depression is like a comorbidity in older people. It increases risk. These sort of deaths are being recognised but if someone dies of covid aand were so unhealthy they were probably within days, months or even a year of death its being minimised as if somehow COVID isn't important in contributing to that situation.

Its even happening here and its hardly rigorous Also while the lockdown contributed other factors - like grief over what is happening and associated emotional turmoil ... and I mean this as being seperate from being stuck at home for months - may have contributed and caused that situation anyway without a lockdown. But its ... there is an old saying.. if my auntie had whiskers (or balls) she'd be my uncle. hypertheticals are meaningless in this situation cos its so unique.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:11 pm

Finally I thought I replied to your question about financial support upthread.

People on welfare received an extra $550 a fortnight. I think it dropped to an extra $250 over the last fortnight but am not sure. People who lost jobs because of businesses being forced to close received up to $1500 a week even when some lost wages that were only 10% of that. There were also multiple one off stimulus payments of around $750. All of these payments started in March.

I am totally with you on the cost that the failed US response to this virus will have in terms of deaths. From the economic fuckery.

But its a separate issue to the death toll from the virus itself, which I reckon is under reported, and from potential long term affects on recovering people. And they may be nothing to worry about or they may be significant. We really can't say yet cos its too soon after the event. Edit - the event is still ongoing so its not even "after". If this was a fire we'd still be in the response/rescue stage and a long way from recovery and restoring normality...

One final thing you might want to check out cos I don't have any source for it ... a friend of mine reckons that Sweden and countries that went into lockdown had similar economic downturns as a result of the virus during the so called first wave. He puts it down to people voluntarily imitating a lockdown/minimising their outings and spending.

I don't know how to check it out or where to find figures but its worth investigating if you have the time and inclination. I know you have better researching skills than most people I know.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:23 pm

Because currently, in the U.S., it's a shit sandwich and blaming everything, but everything, on insufficient wearing of masks, with talk of the desperate poverty into which tens of millions have been plunged mainly treated as whining.


I just want to reiterate I'm not a fan of this sort of bullshit. We don't see it here to the same extent, because its clear the second wave in Australia came from a quarantine failure and was exacerbated by the failures of late stage capitalism...

And we aren't quite as evilly neo liberal (tho our current govt would have wanted to be before this all kicked off.)

In fact many of the issues caused by this virus, especially the death toll, which here is mostly older people in nursing homes, is caused by the same thing. People with not enough well paid work working multiple jobs across multiple nursing homes causing the transmission. Many of these people missed our safety nets that I mentioned upthread too. Cos they weren't perfect or weren't necessarily enough depending on the size of the household.

Back in May people were praising Kerela, a state in India with a Communist government. Even now they seem to have lower death rates than the rest of India, (but I would like to have someone confirm that to me,) and that raises some really interesting questions about the nature of capitalism during a pandemic.

It is something else worth checking out as we try to salvage something from this shitstorm.
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Postby Harvey » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:28 pm

He's probably right.

And while we spoke of many things, fools and kings
This he said to me
"The greatest thing
You'll ever learn
Is just to love
And be loved
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:03 pm

Joe, the video you posted is not available in my country, says the blank screen.

How the fuck do they know my country?

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:51 am

Its called a design for life by the manic street preachers.

I'll post the lyrics cos they are so pertinent to this situation and the first two lines especially seemed appropriate so some of what that video was on about.

Libraries gave us power
Then work came and made us free
What price now
For a shallow piece of dignity
I wish I had a bottle
Right here in my dirty face
To wear the scars
To show from where I came
We don't talk about love
We only wanna get drunk
And we are not allowed to spend
As we are told that this is the end
A design for life
A design for life
A design for life
A design for life
I wish I had a bottle
Right here in my pretty face
To wear the scars
To show from where I came
We don't talk about love
We only wanna get drunk
And we are not allowed to spend
As we are told that this is the end
A design for life
A design for life
A design for life
A design for life
We don't talk about love
We only wanna get drunk
And we are not allowed to spend
As we are told that this is the end
A design for life
A design for life
A design for life
A design for
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:12 am

JackRiddler » 16 Dec 2020 13:03 wrote:Joe, the video you posted is not available in my country, says the blank screen.

How the fuck do they know my country?

We carry in our hearts the true country
and that cannot be stoooh-len


I've seen videos that were songs only released in Australia or some other content that was local and got the same image.



You're stompin' ground is your country, your true country. Youtube don't know shit about that. And this which was the original b side to the Oils' song you just quoted:



After that musical interlude its back to covid i guess,...
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:40 pm

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Making an exception (shocker) to my self-imposed temporary exile to add a few data points of note for consideration. Prior to doing so, I'm compelled to include a personal perspective, given some of the earlier comments:

My mother is also in her 70s. She's a stage 4 cancer survivor (~8yrs in remission now).
My mother-in-law is almost 90, and has chronic pneumonia/bronchitis; on a good day she operates with half a lung. She's been to the hospital near her apartment (in Brooklyn) at least twice in the past ~9months, each time staying for at least a week.

Both of them would be insulted at the notion of keeping distance from their family members, certainly during holidays. They have worn masks when mandated indoors, but have gone outdoors without masks. No one will dare tell them otherwise.
(my mother also recently traveled to Denver to visit cousins approximately 2 months ago).

To this point, neither have tested positive, though I have other extended family members in their 70s/80s that did test positive; they had mild/medium flu symptoms, but recovered within a ~couple weeks. None of them have lingering symptoms.
(I raised these latter examples earlier, pages ago).

On the unfortunate flip side, we also heard anecdotal stories of individuals in our area (NYC/Northern NJ), that passed from this. In a couple instances, they were identified as healthy and middle-aged. Details were not known (nor sought).

This is all anecdotal of course, but I raise them here as added context. Regardless of my own experience, or the experience of my family/friends, I would not presume to expect policy to be dictated based on my own personal preference, but rather, to be based on sound decisions that would benefit and minimize negative impact to the majority . Most in my family -- even those considered 'at risk' -- are in alignment with this position. Quality of life over quantity, to put it broadly.

This will become an increasingly critical decision point in the months/years ahead, unfortunately: will we choose to value quality and agency of our lives, or simply existing (and increasingly, a meager existence at that)?

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All that aside, on to the 'items of note' --

This twitter account is worth probing in-depth:
https://twitter.com/covid_clarity
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In particular, this chart compiled, while specific to Minnesota, is quite illuminating, and adds context to the anecdotal info I shared above.
Note: "LTC" = Long-Term Care. As you can see from this chart, the majority of the deaths -- largely relegated to the 75+ age ranges -- are associated with those already in long-term care.

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Another related snapshot which offers a breakdown per age group. This link led me to the above-referenced 'covid_clarity' account:
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https://twitter.com/NahasNewman/status/ ... 6441328641


Specific to School lockdowns -- and the earlier commentary Re: suicides -- a mom from the NYC area chimes in:
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https://twitter.com/angrybklynmom/statu ... 6809958401
(her twitter account is also worth perusing in more detail)

And:
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Regarding the origin of 'mask mandates', this thread is worthy of review:
https://twitter.com/Balacla27914533/sta ... 7657713665
1/ The father of the universal mask mandate @jeremyphoward
Why did this AI scientist from San Fran go all in with his #masks4all movement for a couple of months last summer and then walk away?
2/With no expertise in a related field, armed with a pile of untested theories and a website full of junk data/science, his movement was granted an MSM soapbox and managed to unleash cascading mask mandates all over the western world over a 2 month period
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WEF fingerprints.


Astute observation here:
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https://twitter.com/proustmalone/status ... 8987843584

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And this, Re: FDA's published analysis of the Pfizer/BionTech COVID-19 vaccine trial results, called BNT162b2.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

The study was valuable as it involved a large sampling, including a placebo group; the participants came from all walks of life and highly diverse genetic compositions; rules and protocols were completely uniform across the entire experiment.

The metric that was particularly interesting involved the ~20,000 people that received a placebo:

Out of 20,000 people who did NOT receive the vaccine, only 162 of them expressed symptoms of acute respiratory illness and tested positive for COVID-19 during the evaluation period; out of those 162 (0.8%) in the placebo group who tested positive for Covid, three (1.9% of the positive tests) had ‘severe’ Covid. And only one of them was hospitalized.

The numbers also show that 98% of the people who tested positive for Covid during the evaluation period had a mild case.

Do these numbers justify the loss of jobs, businesses, lives, and livelihoods due to the extent of the LOCKDOWNS and other restrictions in place since early 2020?

From page 30 of the FDA report:
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Back to my cave 'til 2021.
(though I'll continue to make daily excursions outdoors, maskless...while keeping distance.)
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